extended maintenance program
eagleasis
07-16-2004, 10:32 AM
Tommorrow is last day of my 3yr/36000 mi "free maintenance." Most most people tell me to spend the $1844 to get 6yr/100K, but the best BMW guy in town says no (Carl at La Jolla Independent). I am confused!
Got a 540IA with 12K on it now. Any wisdom out there, help!
Got a 540IA with 12K on it now. Any wisdom out there, help!
Antiburn
07-16-2004, 04:47 PM
Since your car I wouldnt expect anything major to go wrong. But then again a guy next to me at work is replacing a valve head on a 5 series that has 7 grand on it, so you never know. If you want to spend the 2k$$ or sum and feel that your secure and wont be dealing out thousands if something goes wrong then go with it. But if you wana listen to carl and not get the plan then go a head. Its jsut a feeling of securance if you get it. Why dotn you go ask carl if he'll fix your car for free if it breaks.
Presley348
07-16-2004, 07:17 PM
Tommorrow is last day of my 3yr/36000 mi "free maintenance." Most most people tell me to spend the $1844 to get 6yr/100K, but the best BMW guy in town says no (Carl at La Jolla Independent). I am confused!
Got a 540IA with 12K on it now. Any wisdom out there, help!============================================= =============
Hi eagleasis:
I own a 04 530i with 1,500 miles, and I am going to purchase the 7yr 100,000 miles extended BMW warranty soon! :cheers:
I am not talking no chances, now these Bimmers are fine cars, but cost fine $$$ to get repaired when something goes out. :banghead:
Presley348 :smokin:
Got a 540IA with 12K on it now. Any wisdom out there, help!============================================= =============
Hi eagleasis:
I own a 04 530i with 1,500 miles, and I am going to purchase the 7yr 100,000 miles extended BMW warranty soon! :cheers:
I am not talking no chances, now these Bimmers are fine cars, but cost fine $$$ to get repaired when something goes out. :banghead:
Presley348 :smokin:
jeffreyb4me
07-16-2004, 07:32 PM
AHhhhhh, huhh? I think this a great question for any owner in your current position and there's a few things, obviously, to think about.
I to am a Independent BMW tech of numerous years and Carl may have a good point. Their extended warranty policy is an excellent policy however, a full extension of the factory warranty.
I DON'T RECALL IF INCLUDES MAINTAINANCE !!!!
**YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS 1st **
IF it still includes all scheduled maintainance, I'd JUMP at the offer, as long as your COMPLETELY satisfied with the Dealers Service Department ! ! !
They'll be the ONLY people you'll be dealing with for the next THREE YEARS ! and your still covered by the new car warranty for another 14K or until 4 years since purchase.
LIKELY things to fail with-in 6yrs/100K
1] I'm not including maintainance services[which are few these days]
2] waterpump
3] belts
4] cam cover gaskets
5] expect 1 or 2 emission related failures, poss. $$$
6] expect 1 or 2 body/electrical failures
7] probably rear intake cover valve failure
8] these a just a few of the common ones on your model I see everyday, some cars less than others.
It maybe a wash dollar wise, may not, but to me, the most important aspect of all these things you'll have to deal with when [if] something goes wrong is the level of care you get, personally, from which
every establishment you chose.
Personally, I'd go with Carl. We Independents HAVE to try harder, spend the money for the diagnostic equipment and basically keep ourselves
up to date and 'trained'. It takes a lot of work and commitment to develop a great reputation. I certainly DO NOT speak for all or even most Independents but I've also worked in the dealer network for years and are fully aware of the reasons
so many of the best Technicians leave them.
For what it's worth, my nod goes to Carl.
I to am a Independent BMW tech of numerous years and Carl may have a good point. Their extended warranty policy is an excellent policy however, a full extension of the factory warranty.
I DON'T RECALL IF INCLUDES MAINTAINANCE !!!!
**YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS 1st **
IF it still includes all scheduled maintainance, I'd JUMP at the offer, as long as your COMPLETELY satisfied with the Dealers Service Department ! ! !
They'll be the ONLY people you'll be dealing with for the next THREE YEARS ! and your still covered by the new car warranty for another 14K or until 4 years since purchase.
LIKELY things to fail with-in 6yrs/100K
1] I'm not including maintainance services[which are few these days]
2] waterpump
3] belts
4] cam cover gaskets
5] expect 1 or 2 emission related failures, poss. $$$
6] expect 1 or 2 body/electrical failures
7] probably rear intake cover valve failure
8] these a just a few of the common ones on your model I see everyday, some cars less than others.
It maybe a wash dollar wise, may not, but to me, the most important aspect of all these things you'll have to deal with when [if] something goes wrong is the level of care you get, personally, from which
every establishment you chose.
Personally, I'd go with Carl. We Independents HAVE to try harder, spend the money for the diagnostic equipment and basically keep ourselves
up to date and 'trained'. It takes a lot of work and commitment to develop a great reputation. I certainly DO NOT speak for all or even most Independents but I've also worked in the dealer network for years and are fully aware of the reasons
so many of the best Technicians leave them.
For what it's worth, my nod goes to Carl.
Presley348
07-18-2004, 10:04 PM
[QUOTE=jeffreyb4me]AHhhhhh, huhh? I think this a great question for any owner in your current position and there's a few things, obviously, to think about.
I to am a Independent BMW tech of numerous years and Carl may have a good point. Their extended warranty policy is an excellent policy however, a full extension of the factory warranty.
I DON'T RECALL IF INCLUDES MAINTAINANCE !!!!
**YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS 1st **
IF it still includes all scheduled maintainance, I'd JUMP at the offer, as long as your COMPLETELY satisfied with the Dealers Service Department ! ! !
They'll be the ONLY people you'll be dealing with for the next THREE YEARS ! and your still covered by the new car warranty for another 14K or until 4 years since purchase.
LIKELY things to fail with-in 6yrs/100K
1] I'm not including maintainance services[which are few these days]
2] waterpump
3] belts
4] cam cover gaskets
5] expect 1 or 2 emission related failures, poss. $$$
6] expect 1 or 2 body/electrical failures
7] probably rear intake cover valve failure
8] these a just a few of the common ones on your model I see everyday, some cars less than others.
It maybe a wash dollar wise, may not, but to me, the most important aspect of all these things you'll have to deal with when [if] something goes wrong is the level of care you get, personally, from which
every establishment you chose.
Personally, I'd go with Carl. We Independents HAVE to try harder, spend the money for the diagnostic equipment and basically keep ourselves
up to date and 'trained'. It takes a lot of work and commitment to develop a great reputation. I certainly DO NOT speak for all or even most Independents but I've also worked in the dealer network for years and are fully aware of the reasons
so many of the best Technicians leave them.
For what it's worth, my nod goes to Carl.[/QUOTE
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jeffreyb4me
I contacted an extended Extended Warranty Company to get a price quote for their 7 year 100,000 mile extended warranty on my new 04 530i. They will sale me their plan which supposed to cover everything including my computer iDrive, all but the navigation package, for $2000.00.
I then called my BMW dealership and told them about a plan same as theirs, but is a lot cheaper by another company. I reminded the salsman how he had first quoted me $3,600.00, and now since my phone call he came down to $2,300.00 real fast! As soon as my BMW salesman call back, I will buy the BMW dealership extended warranty plan because of following reasons:
1) For just a $300.00 difference in price between the two extended warranties, and because I trust the BMW dealer where I bought my 530i instead of some Internet extended warranty company, which might be OK, but I would rather deal with someone face to face, not keyboard to keyboard!. (LOL)
2) My BMW dealer will give me 0 deductible
3) 24/7 rental car provided to me until mine is repaired.
4) 24/7 wrecker service
5) $25.00 Transfer fee
Sincerely,
Presley348 :smokin:
I to am a Independent BMW tech of numerous years and Carl may have a good point. Their extended warranty policy is an excellent policy however, a full extension of the factory warranty.
I DON'T RECALL IF INCLUDES MAINTAINANCE !!!!
**YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS 1st **
IF it still includes all scheduled maintainance, I'd JUMP at the offer, as long as your COMPLETELY satisfied with the Dealers Service Department ! ! !
They'll be the ONLY people you'll be dealing with for the next THREE YEARS ! and your still covered by the new car warranty for another 14K or until 4 years since purchase.
LIKELY things to fail with-in 6yrs/100K
1] I'm not including maintainance services[which are few these days]
2] waterpump
3] belts
4] cam cover gaskets
5] expect 1 or 2 emission related failures, poss. $$$
6] expect 1 or 2 body/electrical failures
7] probably rear intake cover valve failure
8] these a just a few of the common ones on your model I see everyday, some cars less than others.
It maybe a wash dollar wise, may not, but to me, the most important aspect of all these things you'll have to deal with when [if] something goes wrong is the level of care you get, personally, from which
every establishment you chose.
Personally, I'd go with Carl. We Independents HAVE to try harder, spend the money for the diagnostic equipment and basically keep ourselves
up to date and 'trained'. It takes a lot of work and commitment to develop a great reputation. I certainly DO NOT speak for all or even most Independents but I've also worked in the dealer network for years and are fully aware of the reasons
so many of the best Technicians leave them.
For what it's worth, my nod goes to Carl.[/QUOTE
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jeffreyb4me
I contacted an extended Extended Warranty Company to get a price quote for their 7 year 100,000 mile extended warranty on my new 04 530i. They will sale me their plan which supposed to cover everything including my computer iDrive, all but the navigation package, for $2000.00.
I then called my BMW dealership and told them about a plan same as theirs, but is a lot cheaper by another company. I reminded the salsman how he had first quoted me $3,600.00, and now since my phone call he came down to $2,300.00 real fast! As soon as my BMW salesman call back, I will buy the BMW dealership extended warranty plan because of following reasons:
1) For just a $300.00 difference in price between the two extended warranties, and because I trust the BMW dealer where I bought my 530i instead of some Internet extended warranty company, which might be OK, but I would rather deal with someone face to face, not keyboard to keyboard!. (LOL)
2) My BMW dealer will give me 0 deductible
3) 24/7 rental car provided to me until mine is repaired.
4) 24/7 wrecker service
5) $25.00 Transfer fee
Sincerely,
Presley348 :smokin:
Presley348
07-22-2004, 03:36 PM
AHhhhhh, huhh? I think this a great question for any owner in your current position and there's a few things, obviously, to think about.
I to am a Independent BMW tech of numerous years and Carl may have a good point. Their extended warranty policy is an excellent policy however, a full extension of the factory warranty.
I DON'T RECALL IF INCLUDES MAINTAINANCE !!!!
**YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS 1st **
IF it still includes all scheduled maintainance, I'd JUMP at the offer, as long as your COMPLETELY satisfied with the Dealers Service Department ! ! !
They'll be the ONLY people you'll be dealing with for the next THREE YEARS ! and your still covered by the new car warranty for another 14K or until 4 years since purchase.
LIKELY things to fail with-in 6yrs/100K
1] I'm not including maintainance services[which are few these days]
2] waterpump
3] belts
4] cam cover gaskets
5] expect 1 or 2 emission related failures, poss. $$$
6] expect 1 or 2 body/electrical failures
7] probably rear intake cover valve failure
8] these a just a few of the common ones on your model I see everyday, some cars less than others.
It maybe a wash dollar wise, may not, but to me, the most important aspect of all these things you'll have to deal with when [if] something goes wrong is the level of care you get, personally, from which
every establishment you chose.
Personally, I'd go with Carl. We Independents HAVE to try harder, spend the money for the diagnostic equipment and basically keep ourselves
up to date and 'trained'. It takes a lot of work and commitment to develop a great reputation. I certainly DO NOT speak for all or even most Independents but I've also worked in the dealer network for years and are fully aware of the reasons
so many of the best Technicians leave them.
For what it's worth, my nod goes to Carl.
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jeffreyb4me:
Question: is the BMW full routine maintenance program worth $1,500.00 an additional dollars for three years & 100,000 miles for a 04 530i? :banghead:
I will be waiting on you answer.
Thanks,
Presley348 :smokin:
I to am a Independent BMW tech of numerous years and Carl may have a good point. Their extended warranty policy is an excellent policy however, a full extension of the factory warranty.
I DON'T RECALL IF INCLUDES MAINTAINANCE !!!!
**YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS 1st **
IF it still includes all scheduled maintainance, I'd JUMP at the offer, as long as your COMPLETELY satisfied with the Dealers Service Department ! ! !
They'll be the ONLY people you'll be dealing with for the next THREE YEARS ! and your still covered by the new car warranty for another 14K or until 4 years since purchase.
LIKELY things to fail with-in 6yrs/100K
1] I'm not including maintainance services[which are few these days]
2] waterpump
3] belts
4] cam cover gaskets
5] expect 1 or 2 emission related failures, poss. $$$
6] expect 1 or 2 body/electrical failures
7] probably rear intake cover valve failure
8] these a just a few of the common ones on your model I see everyday, some cars less than others.
It maybe a wash dollar wise, may not, but to me, the most important aspect of all these things you'll have to deal with when [if] something goes wrong is the level of care you get, personally, from which
every establishment you chose.
Personally, I'd go with Carl. We Independents HAVE to try harder, spend the money for the diagnostic equipment and basically keep ourselves
up to date and 'trained'. It takes a lot of work and commitment to develop a great reputation. I certainly DO NOT speak for all or even most Independents but I've also worked in the dealer network for years and are fully aware of the reasons
so many of the best Technicians leave them.
For what it's worth, my nod goes to Carl.
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jeffreyb4me:
Question: is the BMW full routine maintenance program worth $1,500.00 an additional dollars for three years & 100,000 miles for a 04 530i? :banghead:
I will be waiting on you answer.
Thanks,
Presley348 :smokin:
jeffreyb4me
07-22-2004, 06:07 PM
I guess, no I think, believe?, it's really a good idea. The E60's are still early in the 'model run' and unfortunately, BMW is notorious for allowing the final 'engineering' to be done after the models are released to the cunsumers.....these rarely involve 'recalls' but 'Service Advisories' or some sich nonsense that BMW will perform at no charge while the vehicle is still under warranty. They usually include window regulator, electronic module updates
[though these are now mostly handled by upgradable software], when the E36 first came out,
nevermind, this reply could go on for a long time. Anyway, YES, I feel the $1500.00 would be well spent IF YOU ENJOY your dealership's service dept.
[though these are now mostly handled by upgradable software], when the E36 first came out,
nevermind, this reply could go on for a long time. Anyway, YES, I feel the $1500.00 would be well spent IF YOU ENJOY your dealership's service dept.
Presley348
07-22-2004, 09:08 PM
I guess, no I think, believe?, it's really a good idea. The E60's are still early in the 'model run' and unfortunately, BMW is notorious for allowing the final 'engineering' to be done after the models are released to the cunsumers.....these rarely involve 'recalls' but 'Service Advisories' or some sich nonsense that BMW will perform at no charge while the vehicle is still under warranty. They usually include window regulator, electronic module updates
[though these are now mostly handled by upgradable software], when the E36 first came out,
nevermind, this reply could go on for a long time. Anyway, YES, I feel the $1500.00 would be well spent IF YOU ENJOY your dealership's service dept.
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Hi jeffreyb4me:
Thanks once again for your quick reply on my paying the extra $1,500 for the 7yr 100,000 miles really is a: 3year 50,000 BMW maintenance program.
Lets see if I get this straight, and please correct me if I am mistaken, I can buy my 7yr 100,000 extended warranty which as I see if really just buying an additional 3yr 50,000 miles warranty and not full the 7yr 1000,000 miles, because my original BMW warranty and maintenance program will be in effect for four years and 50,000, miles. And you being a technician gave me some good advice!
I am sure you see a lot things fail on BMWs that we consumers either fail or too cheap to see as you do as with the needed preventive BMW maintenance programs.
In essence I will be buying a $2300.00 extended warranty and a $1,500 extended maintenance program, which = $3,800.00 or I can take my chances and pay for routine maintenance i.e. brake pads, oil changes, etc., as they come up, and just go ahead and buy the $2,300.00 warranty. :banghead:
This will be a tough decision for me to make in the next couple of weeks, and I hope I can afford both the programs, (but you know I don't see how it is necessary to buy double warranties coverage or fall for their salesman ploy wording technique: 7yr 100,000 which is true to a certain extent, but they fail to say anything about my original factory 5yr 50,000 BMW warranty coverage that is already in effect, and act like theirs will be in effect in the first 50,000miles which it will not, because the BMW factory warranty applies).:banghead:
Presley348 :smokin:
[though these are now mostly handled by upgradable software], when the E36 first came out,
nevermind, this reply could go on for a long time. Anyway, YES, I feel the $1500.00 would be well spent IF YOU ENJOY your dealership's service dept.
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Hi jeffreyb4me:
Thanks once again for your quick reply on my paying the extra $1,500 for the 7yr 100,000 miles really is a: 3year 50,000 BMW maintenance program.
Lets see if I get this straight, and please correct me if I am mistaken, I can buy my 7yr 100,000 extended warranty which as I see if really just buying an additional 3yr 50,000 miles warranty and not full the 7yr 1000,000 miles, because my original BMW warranty and maintenance program will be in effect for four years and 50,000, miles. And you being a technician gave me some good advice!
I am sure you see a lot things fail on BMWs that we consumers either fail or too cheap to see as you do as with the needed preventive BMW maintenance programs.
In essence I will be buying a $2300.00 extended warranty and a $1,500 extended maintenance program, which = $3,800.00 or I can take my chances and pay for routine maintenance i.e. brake pads, oil changes, etc., as they come up, and just go ahead and buy the $2,300.00 warranty. :banghead:
This will be a tough decision for me to make in the next couple of weeks, and I hope I can afford both the programs, (but you know I don't see how it is necessary to buy double warranties coverage or fall for their salesman ploy wording technique: 7yr 100,000 which is true to a certain extent, but they fail to say anything about my original factory 5yr 50,000 BMW warranty coverage that is already in effect, and act like theirs will be in effect in the first 50,000miles which it will not, because the BMW factory warranty applies).:banghead:
Presley348 :smokin:
jeffreyb4me
07-22-2004, 10:38 PM
EEOOOWWW!!!! I smell 'salesman'[person] and they both can reek so badly...........I'm sorry, I wasn't paying close enough attention. These sales games give me indegestion. Let's see, the 3/50,000
extension was going to be $3600 but dropped to $2300 but that didn't include 4/50,000 maintainence
which was $1,500 or WAS it $2,400 dropped to $1,500 if your bought $3,600 non-package deal that didn't include a 'wash&vac' with each additional
accessory your purchased from the parts dept. through your salespersons.....................
NO, YOUR NOT GETTING WHAT YOUR BUYING, when they 'explain' it way but you've figured the numbers out bangbangbang.
You KNOW they wouldn't sell it if they didn't cash out on it and I hate the stupid games [you didn't buy a used KIA].
I assume your keeping the car a while.
Do you have an Independent you can trust?
$3,800 'could be' kept somewhere giving you some small return AND you shouldn't be expecting any
really expensive to go wrong 'til 100K is reached anyway, but little things might nickel&dime you a bit. I didn't buy the add-ons for my '98 Z3 but I work on these for a living and the dealers warranty
'repairs' were, you know, I never got one call from the CSI company, the Z was there 8 times [over 2 weeks at least once], let's say, no very satisfying and leave it there for now.
Hit me again with more of your thoughts or before you make the final decission.........................jeffb.
extension was going to be $3600 but dropped to $2300 but that didn't include 4/50,000 maintainence
which was $1,500 or WAS it $2,400 dropped to $1,500 if your bought $3,600 non-package deal that didn't include a 'wash&vac' with each additional
accessory your purchased from the parts dept. through your salespersons.....................
NO, YOUR NOT GETTING WHAT YOUR BUYING, when they 'explain' it way but you've figured the numbers out bangbangbang.
You KNOW they wouldn't sell it if they didn't cash out on it and I hate the stupid games [you didn't buy a used KIA].
I assume your keeping the car a while.
Do you have an Independent you can trust?
$3,800 'could be' kept somewhere giving you some small return AND you shouldn't be expecting any
really expensive to go wrong 'til 100K is reached anyway, but little things might nickel&dime you a bit. I didn't buy the add-ons for my '98 Z3 but I work on these for a living and the dealers warranty
'repairs' were, you know, I never got one call from the CSI company, the Z was there 8 times [over 2 weeks at least once], let's say, no very satisfying and leave it there for now.
Hit me again with more of your thoughts or before you make the final decission.........................jeffb.
Presley348
07-23-2004, 06:35 AM
EEOOOWWW!!!! I smell 'salesman'[person] and they both can reek so badly...........I'm sorry, I wasn't paying close enough attention. These sales games give me indegestion. Let's see, the 3/50,000
extension was going to be $3600 but dropped to $2300 but that didn't include 4/50,000 maintainence
which was $1,500 or WAS it $2,400 dropped to $1,500 if your bought $3,600 non-package deal that didn't include a 'wash&vac' with each additional
accessory your purchased from the parts dept. through your salespersons.....................
NO, YOUR NOT GETTING WHAT YOUR BUYING, when they 'explain' it way but you've figured the numbers out bangbangbang.
You KNOW they wouldn't sell it if they didn't cash out on it and I hate the stupid games [you didn't buy a used KIA].
I assume your keeping the car a while.
Do you have an Independent you can trust?
$3,800 'could be' kept somewhere giving you some small return AND you shouldn't be expecting any
really expensive to go wrong 'til 100K is reached anyway, but little things might nickel&dime you a bit. I didn't buy the add-ons for my '98 Z3 but I work on these for a living and the dealers warranty
'repairs' were, you know, I never got one call from the CSI company, the Z was there 8 times [over 2 weeks at least once], let's say, no very satisfying and leave it there for now.
Hit me again with more of your thoughts or before you make the final decission.........................jeffb.
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JeffB
I am like you I hate these Salesmen who try to sell a person something that they already have, i.e., a "Double Coverage BMW Extended Warranty Plan" that plays on the mileage thing (7yr/100,000miles), that already being covered for the first four years up to 50,000miles, by the original factory BMW warranty plan!
You know one would think that kind of practice can deceiving us consumers and should be some USA laws against that, but they are getting away with it, and thank God for these type forums that we can vent on and get feedback from other Bimmer owners on how they handle these over aggressive salesmen marketing ploys. (I wonder what Clark Howard on WSB radio nationwide call in talk show says about this type double car warranty practice, I think I might write in and see).
(Off the record, your name is "Jeffery B." you know I once had a friend name "Jeffery Barber" who had a beautiful sister named "Georgia Barber" that used to live in Marietta, GA, but later moved with his family up north, are you him by any chance?)
E. Presley348 :smokin:
extension was going to be $3600 but dropped to $2300 but that didn't include 4/50,000 maintainence
which was $1,500 or WAS it $2,400 dropped to $1,500 if your bought $3,600 non-package deal that didn't include a 'wash&vac' with each additional
accessory your purchased from the parts dept. through your salespersons.....................
NO, YOUR NOT GETTING WHAT YOUR BUYING, when they 'explain' it way but you've figured the numbers out bangbangbang.
You KNOW they wouldn't sell it if they didn't cash out on it and I hate the stupid games [you didn't buy a used KIA].
I assume your keeping the car a while.
Do you have an Independent you can trust?
$3,800 'could be' kept somewhere giving you some small return AND you shouldn't be expecting any
really expensive to go wrong 'til 100K is reached anyway, but little things might nickel&dime you a bit. I didn't buy the add-ons for my '98 Z3 but I work on these for a living and the dealers warranty
'repairs' were, you know, I never got one call from the CSI company, the Z was there 8 times [over 2 weeks at least once], let's say, no very satisfying and leave it there for now.
Hit me again with more of your thoughts or before you make the final decission.........................jeffb.
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JeffB
I am like you I hate these Salesmen who try to sell a person something that they already have, i.e., a "Double Coverage BMW Extended Warranty Plan" that plays on the mileage thing (7yr/100,000miles), that already being covered for the first four years up to 50,000miles, by the original factory BMW warranty plan!
You know one would think that kind of practice can deceiving us consumers and should be some USA laws against that, but they are getting away with it, and thank God for these type forums that we can vent on and get feedback from other Bimmer owners on how they handle these over aggressive salesmen marketing ploys. (I wonder what Clark Howard on WSB radio nationwide call in talk show says about this type double car warranty practice, I think I might write in and see).
(Off the record, your name is "Jeffery B." you know I once had a friend name "Jeffery Barber" who had a beautiful sister named "Georgia Barber" that used to live in Marietta, GA, but later moved with his family up north, are you him by any chance?)
E. Presley348 :smokin:
jeffreyb4me
07-23-2004, 02:23 PM
I agree, and off the record Raymond, while I have to great brothers, I, forelorne, have not one beautiful sister, not even an ugly one.....and never lived in GA but grew up in NJ..talk soon..........jeffb.
Presley348
07-23-2004, 10:13 PM
I agree, and off the record Raymond, while I have to great brothers, I, forelorne, have not one beautiful sister, not even an ugly one.....and never lived in GA but grew up in NJ..talk soon..........jeffb.
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I am down to the wire negotiating the best price possible for this BMW extended warranty plan with the BMW salesman. I was reading the finer print I saw where the BMW Dealership normally charges $1000.00 extra for the 0 Deductible in their 7/100,000 plan,
Also the warranty company they deal with is Fidelity Extended Warranty Company, (which I hope is good, have you ever had dealing with them in the past, or know someone who has?).
BMW the salesman avoinded this but I saw where BMA Dealers are charging $1000.00 less for their $100.00 deductible compared to the 0 deductible plan of $1000.00 more.
Beings I got BMW down from around $3,800.00 to $2,395.00, with 0 deductible, I do not think BMW dealer will come off $1000.00 for discounted cost of $2395.00 for their 7yr 100,000 warranty, do you? But hey it worth the try. :grinno:
Even if my BMW dealership just comes off $500.00 for the $100.00 deducible plan, I feel it is worth it because just how many times will I actually use the warranty anyway within 7years, I would like to think 0 times, I know Bimmers are great cars, but be realistic I think I will take my 530i in for not servicing, but for warranty work will maybe be three to five times maybe?
In conclusion: As I said earlier I am new at Bimmer game, and you owning a few BMWs, and working on Bimmers for a living, JeffB could you tell me your expert BMW opinion on how may total do you think I will use my Warranty period on my 2004 530i "Chris Bangle Special" (LOL), in the next 7 years?
Presley348 :smokin:
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I am down to the wire negotiating the best price possible for this BMW extended warranty plan with the BMW salesman. I was reading the finer print I saw where the BMW Dealership normally charges $1000.00 extra for the 0 Deductible in their 7/100,000 plan,
Also the warranty company they deal with is Fidelity Extended Warranty Company, (which I hope is good, have you ever had dealing with them in the past, or know someone who has?).
BMW the salesman avoinded this but I saw where BMA Dealers are charging $1000.00 less for their $100.00 deductible compared to the 0 deductible plan of $1000.00 more.
Beings I got BMW down from around $3,800.00 to $2,395.00, with 0 deductible, I do not think BMW dealer will come off $1000.00 for discounted cost of $2395.00 for their 7yr 100,000 warranty, do you? But hey it worth the try. :grinno:
Even if my BMW dealership just comes off $500.00 for the $100.00 deducible plan, I feel it is worth it because just how many times will I actually use the warranty anyway within 7years, I would like to think 0 times, I know Bimmers are great cars, but be realistic I think I will take my 530i in for not servicing, but for warranty work will maybe be three to five times maybe?
In conclusion: As I said earlier I am new at Bimmer game, and you owning a few BMWs, and working on Bimmers for a living, JeffB could you tell me your expert BMW opinion on how may total do you think I will use my Warranty period on my 2004 530i "Chris Bangle Special" (LOL), in the next 7 years?
Presley348 :smokin:
Presley348
07-24-2004, 07:38 PM
I agree, and off the record Raymond, while I have to great brothers, I, forelorne, have not one beautiful sister, not even an ugly one.....and never lived in GA but grew up in NJ..talk soon..........jeffb.============================== ==================
Hi JeffB:
Cluick on: http://www.bmwportal.net/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=toprated&cat=0&pos=0
That is what makes this a great BMW web site: "The Bimmer Chicks!"
Click below for a Pic of my 04 530i, (My name is 04Bangle530iOwner, over at The BMW Portal)
Click On: http://www.bmwportal.net/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=toprated&cat=0&pos=3
It is another good BMW forum.
Presley348 :smokin:
Hi JeffB:
Cluick on: http://www.bmwportal.net/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=toprated&cat=0&pos=0
That is what makes this a great BMW web site: "The Bimmer Chicks!"
Click below for a Pic of my 04 530i, (My name is 04Bangle530iOwner, over at The BMW Portal)
Click On: http://www.bmwportal.net/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=toprated&cat=0&pos=3
It is another good BMW forum.
Presley348 :smokin:
jeffreyb4me
07-25-2004, 09:19 AM
hey Ray, takes too long to type from my phone and a bit to access sites but I've more to say. @ the NHRA nations here for weekend...talk Monday.....jb.
jeffreyb4me
07-26-2004, 10:59 PM
Raymond, just occurred to me, what's the urgency in the extended warranty purchase, documented time limit??? or, does someone need some quick bonus money? just a thought, anyway, as I said in other posts, new models are prone to many little problems and the E60 is probably no exception. As for the warranty company, you personally won't deal with them, that's the 'service writer's' job.
DO MAKE SURE OF ANY FINE PRINT....review the new car warranty & the upsell warranty side by side with the salesmen, don't take anyone's word for anything ! ! but I'm sure you know that.
Have you gotten use to the 'crack in Bangle's butt'
visible from the side of the rear quater panel yet??
sorry, it's just, well, great car though......keep in touch............jeffb.
DO MAKE SURE OF ANY FINE PRINT....review the new car warranty & the upsell warranty side by side with the salesmen, don't take anyone's word for anything ! ! but I'm sure you know that.
Have you gotten use to the 'crack in Bangle's butt'
visible from the side of the rear quater panel yet??
sorry, it's just, well, great car though......keep in touch............jeffb.
Presley348
07-27-2004, 07:29 AM
Raymond, just occurred to me, what's the urgency in the extended warranty purchase, documented time limit??? or, does someone need some quick bonus money? just a thought, anyway, as I said in other posts, new models are prone to many little problems and the E60 is probably no exception. As for the warranty company, you personally won't deal with them, that's the 'service writer's' job.
DO MAKE SURE OF ANY FINE PRINT....review the new car warranty & the upsell warranty side by side with the salesmen, don't take anyone's word for anything ! ! but I'm sure you know that.
Have you gotten use to the 'crack in Bangle's butt'
visible from the side of the rear quater panel yet??
sorry, it's just, well, great car though......keep in touch............jeffb.=========================== ==============================
Hi Jeff:
No, I do not think there is a time limit in the purchase of my extended warranty for my 530i, but I have read there is a mileage limit of 29,000miles, and each mile up to that mileage cut off point there is a price increase. :banghead:
Although I just do not know how long I can buy that warranty for that almost cut in half price, and besides I will be able to sleep better knowing my Bimmer ($$$investment LOL) is now covered for 7/100,000miles than not to be.
Now I do realize all BMWs are excellent automobiles, but like all they are mechanical and will have some problems from time to time, especially if the preventive services is not performed: i.e. oil changes, tire rotations and balancing, etc.
I just wished BMW would come down on their maintenance's prices. I can save about half $$$ of what BMW dealer charges, now days performed at my trusted Kaufman tire dealer down the street with a more realistic price, but I see more and more BMW owners are going this route of either doing the work themselves or taking one in warranty to a certified mechanic and at their trusted and insured dealer these days.
By the way I am going to ask my BMW salesman for a copy of their Extended warranty Program covers, and see what it covers and does not, before I make the actual purchase, and like you said I am going to read "the finer print" (Thanks for the reminder).
Thanks for your reply,
Presley348 :smokin:
DO MAKE SURE OF ANY FINE PRINT....review the new car warranty & the upsell warranty side by side with the salesmen, don't take anyone's word for anything ! ! but I'm sure you know that.
Have you gotten use to the 'crack in Bangle's butt'
visible from the side of the rear quater panel yet??
sorry, it's just, well, great car though......keep in touch............jeffb.=========================== ==============================
Hi Jeff:
No, I do not think there is a time limit in the purchase of my extended warranty for my 530i, but I have read there is a mileage limit of 29,000miles, and each mile up to that mileage cut off point there is a price increase. :banghead:
Although I just do not know how long I can buy that warranty for that almost cut in half price, and besides I will be able to sleep better knowing my Bimmer ($$$investment LOL) is now covered for 7/100,000miles than not to be.
Now I do realize all BMWs are excellent automobiles, but like all they are mechanical and will have some problems from time to time, especially if the preventive services is not performed: i.e. oil changes, tire rotations and balancing, etc.
I just wished BMW would come down on their maintenance's prices. I can save about half $$$ of what BMW dealer charges, now days performed at my trusted Kaufman tire dealer down the street with a more realistic price, but I see more and more BMW owners are going this route of either doing the work themselves or taking one in warranty to a certified mechanic and at their trusted and insured dealer these days.
By the way I am going to ask my BMW salesman for a copy of their Extended warranty Program covers, and see what it covers and does not, before I make the actual purchase, and like you said I am going to read "the finer print" (Thanks for the reminder).
Thanks for your reply,
Presley348 :smokin:
Presley348
07-30-2004, 07:46 AM
AHhhhhh, huhh? I think this a great question for any owner in your current position and there's a few things, obviously, to think about.
I to am a Independent BMW tech of numerous years and Carl may have a good point. Their extended warranty policy is an excellent policy however, a full extension of the factory warranty.
I DON'T RECALL IF INCLUDES MAINTAINANCE !!!!
**YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS 1st **
IF it still includes all scheduled maintainance, I'd JUMP at the offer, as long as your COMPLETELY satisfied with the Dealers Service Department ! ! !
They'll be the ONLY people you'll be dealing with for the next THREE YEARS ! and your still covered by the new car warranty for another 14K or until 4 years since purchase.
LIKELY things to fail with-in 6yrs/100K
1] I'm not including maintainance services[which are few these days]
2] waterpump
3] belts
4] cam cover gaskets
5] expect 1 or 2 emission related failures, poss. $$$
6] expect 1 or 2 body/electrical failures
7] probably rear intake cover valve failure
8] these a just a few of the common ones on your model I see everyday, some cars less than others.
It maybe a wash dollar wise, may not, but to me, the most important aspect of all these things you'll have to deal with when [if] something goes wrong is the level of care you get, personally, from which
every establishment you chose.
Personally, I'd go with Carl. We Independents HAVE to try harder, spend the money for the diagnostic equipment and basically keep ourselves
up to date and 'trained'. It takes a lot of work and commitment to develop a great reputation. I certainly DO NOT speak for all or even most Independents but I've also worked in the dealer network for years and are fully aware of the reasons
so many of the best Technicians leave them.
For what it's worth, my nod goes to Carl.============================================= ===========
Hi Jeff!
A couple of questions:
1) Have you ever heard of a "Fidelity Extended Warranty Company?"
2) If so, are they any good?
My BMW salesman says the BMW does not sale an extended Warranty for their Bimmers, but how they only sale 5 star Premier independent extended warranty plans. They tell me the best one for BMWs is the only they sale, which is a company named "Fidelity"...
(I do not trust ANY saleman, even most Bimmer salesmen! But I understand that once you worked as a mech./tech. for a BMW dealer. Coming and knowing BMWs and the BMW dealers as you do, which Extended Warranty Company for 04 BMWs would you trust and use? Any advice you have would be helpful!)
Sincerely,
Presley348 (A 04 530i Owner) :smokin:
I to am a Independent BMW tech of numerous years and Carl may have a good point. Their extended warranty policy is an excellent policy however, a full extension of the factory warranty.
I DON'T RECALL IF INCLUDES MAINTAINANCE !!!!
**YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS 1st **
IF it still includes all scheduled maintainance, I'd JUMP at the offer, as long as your COMPLETELY satisfied with the Dealers Service Department ! ! !
They'll be the ONLY people you'll be dealing with for the next THREE YEARS ! and your still covered by the new car warranty for another 14K or until 4 years since purchase.
LIKELY things to fail with-in 6yrs/100K
1] I'm not including maintainance services[which are few these days]
2] waterpump
3] belts
4] cam cover gaskets
5] expect 1 or 2 emission related failures, poss. $$$
6] expect 1 or 2 body/electrical failures
7] probably rear intake cover valve failure
8] these a just a few of the common ones on your model I see everyday, some cars less than others.
It maybe a wash dollar wise, may not, but to me, the most important aspect of all these things you'll have to deal with when [if] something goes wrong is the level of care you get, personally, from which
every establishment you chose.
Personally, I'd go with Carl. We Independents HAVE to try harder, spend the money for the diagnostic equipment and basically keep ourselves
up to date and 'trained'. It takes a lot of work and commitment to develop a great reputation. I certainly DO NOT speak for all or even most Independents but I've also worked in the dealer network for years and are fully aware of the reasons
so many of the best Technicians leave them.
For what it's worth, my nod goes to Carl.============================================= ===========
Hi Jeff!
A couple of questions:
1) Have you ever heard of a "Fidelity Extended Warranty Company?"
2) If so, are they any good?
My BMW salesman says the BMW does not sale an extended Warranty for their Bimmers, but how they only sale 5 star Premier independent extended warranty plans. They tell me the best one for BMWs is the only they sale, which is a company named "Fidelity"...
(I do not trust ANY saleman, even most Bimmer salesmen! But I understand that once you worked as a mech./tech. for a BMW dealer. Coming and knowing BMWs and the BMW dealers as you do, which Extended Warranty Company for 04 BMWs would you trust and use? Any advice you have would be helpful!)
Sincerely,
Presley348 (A 04 530i Owner) :smokin:
jeffreyb4me
08-01-2004, 10:28 AM
Hey again Ray, whowoh, what a great name!!....'Fidelity Warranty Company', with a name like that...........anyway, no, I'm not familiar since I haven't had to 'personally' 'deal' with these companies for a few years.......I have someone do that for me so I can concentrate on repairs but, here are a couple of thoughts:
a] check with a few other dealers and see who's company they sell for extended contracts [me thinks it'll be the same]
b] some of these compnaies can be a pain to deal with [ see "c" ] as even at the dealer I remember one which [at first] only would authorize replacement of the failed piston on a late M30 engine to correct a cold 'piston slap' complaint and I had to document the factory service procedures, for the service advisor, that the repair required replacement of all the pistons...which took a week I think, and other annoying 'rules' the warranty company phone personel follow if they only know what the 'book' or 'guide' tells them. these clerks rarely have any clue what they're actually taking about when it comes to the mechanics of it all.
c] you, I certainly HOPE ! !, won't have to deal with them personally. You've purchased this policy from the dealer your having it repaired at and IT'S THEIR JOB to get 'things' handled.
d] talk to the service advisors and see what they say about the company and any problems they've had..........try to catch them mid-mornng and DON'T tell the salesmen you'll be doing so. you might get a more candid responce that way, especially if there's some 'tension' between sales and service [ there often is ].
e] BEST TO YOU Ray................................jeffb.
a] check with a few other dealers and see who's company they sell for extended contracts [me thinks it'll be the same]
b] some of these compnaies can be a pain to deal with [ see "c" ] as even at the dealer I remember one which [at first] only would authorize replacement of the failed piston on a late M30 engine to correct a cold 'piston slap' complaint and I had to document the factory service procedures, for the service advisor, that the repair required replacement of all the pistons...which took a week I think, and other annoying 'rules' the warranty company phone personel follow if they only know what the 'book' or 'guide' tells them. these clerks rarely have any clue what they're actually taking about when it comes to the mechanics of it all.
c] you, I certainly HOPE ! !, won't have to deal with them personally. You've purchased this policy from the dealer your having it repaired at and IT'S THEIR JOB to get 'things' handled.
d] talk to the service advisors and see what they say about the company and any problems they've had..........try to catch them mid-mornng and DON'T tell the salesmen you'll be doing so. you might get a more candid responce that way, especially if there's some 'tension' between sales and service [ there often is ].
e] BEST TO YOU Ray................................jeffb.
Presley348
08-01-2004, 11:12 AM
Hey again Ray, whowoh, what a great name!!....'Fidelity Warranty Company', with a name like that...........anyway, no, I'm not familiar since I haven't had to 'personally' 'deal' with these companies for a few years.......I have someone do that for me so I can concentrate on repairs but, here are a couple of thoughts:
a] check with a few other dealers and see who's company they sell for extended contracts [me thinks it'll be the same]
b] some of these compnaies can be a pain to deal with [ see "c" ] as even at the dealer I remember one which [at first] only would authorize replacement of the failed piston on a late M30 engine to correct a cold 'piston slap' complaint and I had to document the factory service procedures, for the service advisor, that the repair required replacement of all the pistons...which took a week I think, and other annoying 'rules' the warranty company phone personel follow if they only know what the 'book' or 'guide' tells them. these clerks rarely have any clue what they're actually taking about when it comes to the mechanics of it all.
c] you, I certainly HOPE ! !, won't have to deal with them personally. You've purchased this policy from the dealer your having it repaired at and IT'S THEIR JOB to get 'things' handled.
d] talk to the service advisors and see what they say about the company and any problems they've had..........try to catch them mid-mornng and DON'T tell the salesmen you'll be doing so. you might get a more candid responce that way, especially if there's some 'tension' between sales and service [ there often is ].
e] BEST TO YOU Ray................................jeffb.
================================================== ========
Thanks Jeff for your info.,
One more question! Their trying to sell me the extended schedule maintenance program for an additional $1,500.00. Is it worth it? (The BMW salesmen says I will probably never use my warranty, but it is in place just in case, but he says I will use my factory BMW schedule maintenance, and that alone with pay for itself, I am thinking to myself: What a sales pitch??? But is it worth or not)
Presley348 :smokin:
a] check with a few other dealers and see who's company they sell for extended contracts [me thinks it'll be the same]
b] some of these compnaies can be a pain to deal with [ see "c" ] as even at the dealer I remember one which [at first] only would authorize replacement of the failed piston on a late M30 engine to correct a cold 'piston slap' complaint and I had to document the factory service procedures, for the service advisor, that the repair required replacement of all the pistons...which took a week I think, and other annoying 'rules' the warranty company phone personel follow if they only know what the 'book' or 'guide' tells them. these clerks rarely have any clue what they're actually taking about when it comes to the mechanics of it all.
c] you, I certainly HOPE ! !, won't have to deal with them personally. You've purchased this policy from the dealer your having it repaired at and IT'S THEIR JOB to get 'things' handled.
d] talk to the service advisors and see what they say about the company and any problems they've had..........try to catch them mid-mornng and DON'T tell the salesmen you'll be doing so. you might get a more candid responce that way, especially if there's some 'tension' between sales and service [ there often is ].
e] BEST TO YOU Ray................................jeffb.
================================================== ========
Thanks Jeff for your info.,
One more question! Their trying to sell me the extended schedule maintenance program for an additional $1,500.00. Is it worth it? (The BMW salesmen says I will probably never use my warranty, but it is in place just in case, but he says I will use my factory BMW schedule maintenance, and that alone with pay for itself, I am thinking to myself: What a sales pitch??? But is it worth or not)
Presley348 :smokin:
jeffreyb4me
08-01-2004, 12:52 PM
Weeee....my, my, my.....from how many ways can they attack you from......watch your flanks! anyway
the scheduled maintenance on new BMW's or any make these days is pretty much oil changes and an air filter or two [check your manual] you don't reach the first 'scheduled' sparkplug change 'til 100,000 miles! HOWEVER, dealer 'Service Menu' pricing aside, DOES THIS 'Extended Scheduled Maintenance Progarm' include all the normal wear items; belts, brake pads, brake rotors, etc...??? IF SO it might be worth it [ I'm guessing because it's so driver dependent but the average might be three sets of brakes/rotors in 100K ]...........I'll be watching Ray..................jeffb.
the scheduled maintenance on new BMW's or any make these days is pretty much oil changes and an air filter or two [check your manual] you don't reach the first 'scheduled' sparkplug change 'til 100,000 miles! HOWEVER, dealer 'Service Menu' pricing aside, DOES THIS 'Extended Scheduled Maintenance Progarm' include all the normal wear items; belts, brake pads, brake rotors, etc...??? IF SO it might be worth it [ I'm guessing because it's so driver dependent but the average might be three sets of brakes/rotors in 100K ]...........I'll be watching Ray..................jeffb.
jeffreyb4me
08-02-2004, 07:11 AM
Raymond, BEAUTIFUL picture of your car ! Where did you take that? It's a wonderful area.........jeffb.
Presley348
08-08-2004, 10:40 AM
Raymond, just occurred to me, what's the urgency in the extended warranty purchase, documented time limit??? or, does someone need some quick bonus money? just a thought, anyway, as I said in other posts, new models are prone to many little problems and the E60 is probably no exception. As for the warranty company, you personally won't deal with them, that's the 'service writer's' job.
DO MAKE SURE OF ANY FINE PRINT....review the new car warranty & the upsell warranty side by side with the salesmen, don't take anyone's word for anything ! ! but I'm sure you know that.
Have you gotten use to the 'crack in Bangle's butt'
visible from the side of the rear quater panel yet??
sorry, it's just, well, great car though......keep in touch............jeffb.=========================== ===============================
Hi Jeff:
My parents are going to be a "Turn coat", (Jk LOL), and not buy a BMW, but a like new preowned 2003 Jaguar "S" type, v6, 3.0, :banghead: , with 16,000 miles and the extended 6yr/100,000 miles warranty, that comes with the deal.
Now I realize your expertise is with BMWs, but I was wondering if you know anything good or bad about the Jaguars auto's, especially the 2003 "S type" v6 3.0 Jag's, that I can relay on to my parents to know and watch out for before they purchase it next week?
Thanks in advance,
Presley348 :smokin:
PS,
How much do the Jag. Dealers usually discount their preowned Jags, (if any?), that has been on their lot for over 60days now?
DO MAKE SURE OF ANY FINE PRINT....review the new car warranty & the upsell warranty side by side with the salesmen, don't take anyone's word for anything ! ! but I'm sure you know that.
Have you gotten use to the 'crack in Bangle's butt'
visible from the side of the rear quater panel yet??
sorry, it's just, well, great car though......keep in touch............jeffb.=========================== ===============================
Hi Jeff:
My parents are going to be a "Turn coat", (Jk LOL), and not buy a BMW, but a like new preowned 2003 Jaguar "S" type, v6, 3.0, :banghead: , with 16,000 miles and the extended 6yr/100,000 miles warranty, that comes with the deal.
Now I realize your expertise is with BMWs, but I was wondering if you know anything good or bad about the Jaguars auto's, especially the 2003 "S type" v6 3.0 Jag's, that I can relay on to my parents to know and watch out for before they purchase it next week?
Thanks in advance,
Presley348 :smokin:
PS,
How much do the Jag. Dealers usually discount their preowned Jags, (if any?), that has been on their lot for over 60days now?
jeffreyb4me
08-08-2004, 01:04 PM
Hi Ray, A friend of mine is considering a new one, mainly due to looks and price, thought it drove great [ he's driving a Buick right now ! !]. I did some research for him pre-roadtest as he also asked what I thought about them and I the 'S' didn't ring any bells. Soon found why, they're rather mundane [not a Jaguar of the past], just a fair entry level car who's reliability should be better than ones of previous years, which Ford probably insisted on.
As far as pricing and sales, the Jags have done fairly poorly which explains the new pricing for 2004. Have your folks considered a new one? I'd also check resale values BEFORE they buy, I don't think they're very strong [similar to the early E32's]
Best to you Ray!......................................jeffb.
As far as pricing and sales, the Jags have done fairly poorly which explains the new pricing for 2004. Have your folks considered a new one? I'd also check resale values BEFORE they buy, I don't think they're very strong [similar to the early E32's]
Best to you Ray!......................................jeffb.
Presley348
08-10-2004, 08:23 PM
Hi Ray, A friend of mine is considering a new one, mainly due to looks and price, thought it drove great [ he's driving a Buick right now ! !]. I did some research for him pre-roadtest as he also asked what I thought about them and I the 'S' didn't ring any bells. Soon found why, they're rather mundane [not a Jaguar of the past], just a fair entry level car who's reliability should be better than ones of previous years, which Ford probably insisted on.
As far as pricing and sales, the Jags have done fairly poorly which explains the new pricing for 2004. Have your folks considered a new one? I'd also check resale values BEFORE they buy, I don't think they're very strong [similar to the early E32's]
Best to you Ray!......................................jeffb.== ==================================================
Hi Jeff:
Thanks for the points you brought our on the Jag., but I still could not talk my parents into a Bimmer, but they decided to go ahead and take the plunge and buy a Jag..:banghead:
They did not buy the 2003 like they were planning on, but went ahead and bought a new 2004 S type Demo with 5000 miles at an preowned 03 price! It looks nice, but I just hope it holds up as well as a BMW...
Presley348 :smokin:
PS,
The Jaguar Company recommends change the oil every 10,000 miles! I asked was it a synthetic like in my 530i, and the saleslady said no, just a regular oil. To me, that does not sound right, I am thinking on telling my parents to change it and the oil filter every 5000 miles, even though Jaguar recommends on their free service to their customers every 10,000 up to 50,000. I know this is the twenty-first century, but has US motor oil really advanced that much in quality over the years not requiring changing but every 10,000miles? Or is Jag just being a little cheap, because they pay for the first 50,000miles oil changes which is only five for free?
As far as pricing and sales, the Jags have done fairly poorly which explains the new pricing for 2004. Have your folks considered a new one? I'd also check resale values BEFORE they buy, I don't think they're very strong [similar to the early E32's]
Best to you Ray!......................................jeffb.== ==================================================
Hi Jeff:
Thanks for the points you brought our on the Jag., but I still could not talk my parents into a Bimmer, but they decided to go ahead and take the plunge and buy a Jag..:banghead:
They did not buy the 2003 like they were planning on, but went ahead and bought a new 2004 S type Demo with 5000 miles at an preowned 03 price! It looks nice, but I just hope it holds up as well as a BMW...
Presley348 :smokin:
PS,
The Jaguar Company recommends change the oil every 10,000 miles! I asked was it a synthetic like in my 530i, and the saleslady said no, just a regular oil. To me, that does not sound right, I am thinking on telling my parents to change it and the oil filter every 5000 miles, even though Jaguar recommends on their free service to their customers every 10,000 up to 50,000. I know this is the twenty-first century, but has US motor oil really advanced that much in quality over the years not requiring changing but every 10,000miles? Or is Jag just being a little cheap, because they pay for the first 50,000miles oil changes which is only five for free?
jeffreyb4me
08-11-2004, 07:30 PM
Hey Ray, well, the 'S' Type is pretty, has Chris Bangle ever....................nevermind. I'm going to check thursday on Jag's oil requirements. A partial answer to your question, it's not the oils really, it's the engine management systems that have gotten so much better, but only to a point........I still feel these 'really' extended service intervals are a 'Sales Comparison' tool, one company bumped the interval to reduce advertised maintenance costs then they all got a little silly......................................talk to you soon, let me know how the "S" drives !!.......................jeffb.
Presley348
08-14-2004, 04:27 PM
Hey Ray, well, the 'S' Type is pretty, has Chris Bangle ever....................nevermind. I'm going to check thursday on Jag's oil requirements. A partial answer to your question, it's not the oils really, it's the engine management systems that have gotten so much better, but only to a point........I still feel these 'really' extended service intervals are a 'Sales Comparison' tool, one company bumped the interval to reduce advertised maintenance costs then they all got a little silly......................................talk to you soon, let me know how the "S" drives !!.......................jeffb.
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Hi Jeff:
Well, my parents got their 04 Jag S type delivered to them at their home today. I went there and tested it out, and WOW what a nice car! Of course it is not a Bangle BMW 5 series, but it is nice smooth Jag styling, it drives smooth, not as quick as my 04 530i, but it is quick in its own Jaguar S type 3.0 rights. It does handle well, but not near as good as the new BMW five series.
But you know if BMW was not around, I would have a Jag. in a second! :iceslolan
Got to go now.
Presley348 :smokin:
================================================== ==============
Hi Jeff:
Well, my parents got their 04 Jag S type delivered to them at their home today. I went there and tested it out, and WOW what a nice car! Of course it is not a Bangle BMW 5 series, but it is nice smooth Jag styling, it drives smooth, not as quick as my 04 530i, but it is quick in its own Jaguar S type 3.0 rights. It does handle well, but not near as good as the new BMW five series.
But you know if BMW was not around, I would have a Jag. in a second! :iceslolan
Got to go now.
Presley348 :smokin:
jeffreyb4me
08-17-2004, 09:07 AM
thanks Ray, I'll pass your R/T notes to my friend considering one, just may be his cup of tea! [ he doesn't want to spring for a BMW either ].
Presley348
08-27-2004, 08:58 PM
thanks Ray, I'll pass your R/T notes to my friend considering one, just may be his cup of tea! [ he doesn't want to spring for a BMW either ].
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Hi Jeff!
Long time, no hear! I hope your friend likes the Jaguar S type. Like I was saying earlier now I do not want to be a "Turn Coat", but I find myself borrowing and driving my parents new 04 Jag on dates, more than my new 04 530i! Now I still like to drive my 530i, but my girlfiend likes my parents Jaguar S type more, so you can understand why I like the Jag for, (LOL).
The reason I am contacting you is because I need to know why does BMW says put different air pressure in the front and rear tires of my Bimmer for?
The BMW Mechanic at a dealership here in Atlanta, (Nalley BMW), is advising me to run 32 (Front) and 34 (Rear). Does this sound right to you? Do you know the reason behind this for?
I ask him why for and of course he got another phone call, and said he would tell me later, (I am sure there must be a logical "Chris Bangle" (LOL), BMW reason behind the different pressures for, but what????). :banghead:
I know this might sound like no big deal to some, but as you and I both know Bimmer's are big deals, especially if not serviced and maintain properly and if not, can run into big bucks down the road for us BMW owners $$$! And I have not got time "to play phone tag" with the Mechanic here at the Atlanta BMW dealership. SO I am thinking why not run 34lbs on all four tires like my parents Jaguar dealership says to run on their Jaguar?
Question, Jeff: What tire pressure do you advise me to run in my 04 530i? And should I run different pressures in my front tires, from my rear tires, or just run the same tire pressure on all four tires?
Well, thanks in advance and have a good day!
Your Atlanta GA 530i friend,
(raymond), "Eddie" Presley :smokin:
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Hi Jeff!
Long time, no hear! I hope your friend likes the Jaguar S type. Like I was saying earlier now I do not want to be a "Turn Coat", but I find myself borrowing and driving my parents new 04 Jag on dates, more than my new 04 530i! Now I still like to drive my 530i, but my girlfiend likes my parents Jaguar S type more, so you can understand why I like the Jag for, (LOL).
The reason I am contacting you is because I need to know why does BMW says put different air pressure in the front and rear tires of my Bimmer for?
The BMW Mechanic at a dealership here in Atlanta, (Nalley BMW), is advising me to run 32 (Front) and 34 (Rear). Does this sound right to you? Do you know the reason behind this for?
I ask him why for and of course he got another phone call, and said he would tell me later, (I am sure there must be a logical "Chris Bangle" (LOL), BMW reason behind the different pressures for, but what????). :banghead:
I know this might sound like no big deal to some, but as you and I both know Bimmer's are big deals, especially if not serviced and maintain properly and if not, can run into big bucks down the road for us BMW owners $$$! And I have not got time "to play phone tag" with the Mechanic here at the Atlanta BMW dealership. SO I am thinking why not run 34lbs on all four tires like my parents Jaguar dealership says to run on their Jaguar?
Question, Jeff: What tire pressure do you advise me to run in my 04 530i? And should I run different pressures in my front tires, from my rear tires, or just run the same tire pressure on all four tires?
Well, thanks in advance and have a good day!
Your Atlanta GA 530i friend,
(raymond), "Eddie" Presley :smokin:
jeffreyb4me
08-29-2004, 10:41 AM
HELLO 'EDDIE' ! !
HELLO ‘Eddie’ ! ! !
No question on Jags sex appeal, once angina they’re building beautiful cars.
Greeeat question on Tire Pressure! ! All should be more informed on the subject. I’ll try to be simple and concise.
NOTE: these are only my opinions but I think they’re generally accepted.
1] Your BMW tech. is CORRECT. Spend a few minutes getting familiar with the ‘Tire Pressure/Load’ label on the left ‘B’ pillar [drivers door post].
2] The key to handling is balance! !
3] Manufacturers have to compromise between handling and ride quality, BMW has always biased towards handling. The factors, in order are, overall weight, weight bias, suspension geometry [complexity], spring rates, shock valving, roll control [anti-sway bars] and lastly Tire Pressure.
4] In simplest terms Understeer is when the front doesn’t steer enough, ‘plows’, you turn the wheels and the cars wants to keep going straight. Oversteer is when the front steers too much, ‘fishtails’, you turn the wheels and the front turns so much the rear looses grip and slides out of the turn. The more an axle slips, the greater it’s ‘slip angle’.
5] All other parameters now being fixed, tire pressure bias gets to play an important roll. Almost all BMW’s run higher rear T/P [tire press.]. Performance cars tend towards oversteer because a ‘well balanced’ excellent handling car at its limits of adhesion is steerable with the throttle. Might sound strange but a moments thought clears this up, going ‘fast’ can only be done with the right foot, the last input is the right foot, the last steering input should be the right foot.
6] Pressure corrections [since that’s all you have to work with]:
IF your car oversteers, Increase Rear T/P or Decrease Front T/P.
IF your car understeers, Increase Front T/P or Decrease Rear T/P.
Increasing ‘stagger’, using T/P in our case increases the tire’s footprint, contact and
traction, decreasing the slip angle, better ‘sticking’ one end of the car.
7] MAX. PRESS. stampings on the tire sidewall MUST be adheared to.
8] The vehicle manufacturer’s labels are the BEST starting point for adjustments.
I left a great deal out of this for simplicity but if you can find the time and place some weekend with an accurate gauge and a portable compressor, try playing with these numbers to feel the changes for yourself. Begin with extremes [15 psi bias] one way then the other, then ‘stock’, then maybe fine tuning to your liking. It’s a lot of fun and truly enlightening…………………….BEST TO YOU, hope to chat again soon…….jeff b.
HELLO ‘Eddie’ ! ! !
No question on Jags sex appeal, once angina they’re building beautiful cars.
Greeeat question on Tire Pressure! ! All should be more informed on the subject. I’ll try to be simple and concise.
NOTE: these are only my opinions but I think they’re generally accepted.
1] Your BMW tech. is CORRECT. Spend a few minutes getting familiar with the ‘Tire Pressure/Load’ label on the left ‘B’ pillar [drivers door post].
2] The key to handling is balance! !
3] Manufacturers have to compromise between handling and ride quality, BMW has always biased towards handling. The factors, in order are, overall weight, weight bias, suspension geometry [complexity], spring rates, shock valving, roll control [anti-sway bars] and lastly Tire Pressure.
4] In simplest terms Understeer is when the front doesn’t steer enough, ‘plows’, you turn the wheels and the cars wants to keep going straight. Oversteer is when the front steers too much, ‘fishtails’, you turn the wheels and the front turns so much the rear looses grip and slides out of the turn. The more an axle slips, the greater it’s ‘slip angle’.
5] All other parameters now being fixed, tire pressure bias gets to play an important roll. Almost all BMW’s run higher rear T/P [tire press.]. Performance cars tend towards oversteer because a ‘well balanced’ excellent handling car at its limits of adhesion is steerable with the throttle. Might sound strange but a moments thought clears this up, going ‘fast’ can only be done with the right foot, the last input is the right foot, the last steering input should be the right foot.
6] Pressure corrections [since that’s all you have to work with]:
IF your car oversteers, Increase Rear T/P or Decrease Front T/P.
IF your car understeers, Increase Front T/P or Decrease Rear T/P.
Increasing ‘stagger’, using T/P in our case increases the tire’s footprint, contact and
traction, decreasing the slip angle, better ‘sticking’ one end of the car.
7] MAX. PRESS. stampings on the tire sidewall MUST be adheared to.
8] The vehicle manufacturer’s labels are the BEST starting point for adjustments.
I left a great deal out of this for simplicity but if you can find the time and place some weekend with an accurate gauge and a portable compressor, try playing with these numbers to feel the changes for yourself. Begin with extremes [15 psi bias] one way then the other, then ‘stock’, then maybe fine tuning to your liking. It’s a lot of fun and truly enlightening…………………….BEST TO YOU, hope to chat again soon…….jeff b.
Presley348
08-29-2004, 07:38 PM
HELLO 'EDDIE' ! !
HELLO ‘Eddie’ ! ! !
No question on Jags sex appeal, once angina they’re building beautiful cars.
Greeeat question on Tire Pressure! ! All should be more informed on the subject. I’ll try to be simple and concise.
NOTE: these are only my opinions but I think they’re generally accepted.
1] Your BMW tech. is CORRECT. Spend a few minutes getting familiar with the ‘Tire Pressure/Load’ label on the left ‘B’ pillar [drivers door post].
2] The key to handling is balance! !
3] Manufacturers have to compromise between handling and ride quality, BMW has always biased towards handling. The factors, in order are, overall weight, weight bias, suspension geometry [complexity], spring rates, shock valving, roll control [anti-sway bars] and lastly Tire Pressure.
4] In simplest terms Understeer is when the front doesn’t steer enough, ‘plows’, you turn the wheels and the cars wants to keep going straight. Oversteer is when the front steers too much, ‘fishtails’, you turn the wheels and the front turns so much the rear looses grip and slides out of the turn. The more an axle slips, the greater it’s ‘slip angle’.
5] All other parameters now being fixed, tire pressure bias gets to play an important roll. Almost all BMW’s run higher rear T/P [tire press.]. Performance cars tend towards oversteer because a ‘well balanced’ excellent handling car at its limits of adhesion is steerable with the throttle. Might sound strange but a moments thought clears this up, going ‘fast’ can only be done with the right foot, the last input is the right foot, the last steering input should be the right foot.
6] Pressure corrections [since that’s all you have to work with]:
IF your car oversteers, Increase Rear T/P or Decrease Front T/P.
IF your car understeers, Increase Front T/P or Decrease Rear T/P.
Increasing ‘stagger’, using T/P in our case increases the tire’s footprint, contact and
traction, decreasing the slip angle, better ‘sticking’ one end of the car.
7] MAX. PRESS. stampings on the tire sidewall MUST be adheared to.
8] The vehicle manufacturer’s labels are the BEST starting point for adjustments.
I left a great deal out of this for simplicity but if you can find the time and place some weekend with an accurate gauge and a portable compressor, try playing with these numbers to feel the changes for yourself. Begin with extremes [15 psi bias] one way then the other, then ‘stock’, then maybe fine tuning to your liking. It’s a lot of fun and truly enlightening…………………….BEST TO YOU, hope to chat again soon…….jeff b.
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Jeff:
Your expert information on BMW tire pressures seems to be right on target, and the reasons behind it is well written so even me, (A non BMW tech/mech.), can understand it, (THANKS). What you had said about: Oversteer then increase Rear T/P or Decrease Front T/P. and if it udersteer, then increase Front T/P or Decrease Rear T/P, etc. and I will try it soon when I get some time.
Also I am enclosing an article, (SEE BELOW), that was teken from a famous 2004 auto magazine comparing Mercedes E430. 2004 BMW 530i and the Jaguars, that I thought you might like to see:
Eddie :smokin:
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"And while the E-Class Mercedes may be our favorite Benz of all time, especially the V-8 E430, the 5-series cabin is fresher than that of the Mercedes and also more masculine. Call us old-school, but BMW knows how to make cars for men that women will want to drive. Mercedes seems to aim right between gender lines instead. That's fine (Jaguars, by the way, are nearly always aimed at men looking to attract women, and by golly it works!), but the BMW philosophy is the most visceral to us. Sit behind the wheel of the 530i and we think you'll understand exactly who this car is aimed at."
NOTE:
Above INSERT was taken from 2004 Magazine testing the 04 530i from the www
===============================
HELLO ‘Eddie’ ! ! !
No question on Jags sex appeal, once angina they’re building beautiful cars.
Greeeat question on Tire Pressure! ! All should be more informed on the subject. I’ll try to be simple and concise.
NOTE: these are only my opinions but I think they’re generally accepted.
1] Your BMW tech. is CORRECT. Spend a few minutes getting familiar with the ‘Tire Pressure/Load’ label on the left ‘B’ pillar [drivers door post].
2] The key to handling is balance! !
3] Manufacturers have to compromise between handling and ride quality, BMW has always biased towards handling. The factors, in order are, overall weight, weight bias, suspension geometry [complexity], spring rates, shock valving, roll control [anti-sway bars] and lastly Tire Pressure.
4] In simplest terms Understeer is when the front doesn’t steer enough, ‘plows’, you turn the wheels and the cars wants to keep going straight. Oversteer is when the front steers too much, ‘fishtails’, you turn the wheels and the front turns so much the rear looses grip and slides out of the turn. The more an axle slips, the greater it’s ‘slip angle’.
5] All other parameters now being fixed, tire pressure bias gets to play an important roll. Almost all BMW’s run higher rear T/P [tire press.]. Performance cars tend towards oversteer because a ‘well balanced’ excellent handling car at its limits of adhesion is steerable with the throttle. Might sound strange but a moments thought clears this up, going ‘fast’ can only be done with the right foot, the last input is the right foot, the last steering input should be the right foot.
6] Pressure corrections [since that’s all you have to work with]:
IF your car oversteers, Increase Rear T/P or Decrease Front T/P.
IF your car understeers, Increase Front T/P or Decrease Rear T/P.
Increasing ‘stagger’, using T/P in our case increases the tire’s footprint, contact and
traction, decreasing the slip angle, better ‘sticking’ one end of the car.
7] MAX. PRESS. stampings on the tire sidewall MUST be adheared to.
8] The vehicle manufacturer’s labels are the BEST starting point for adjustments.
I left a great deal out of this for simplicity but if you can find the time and place some weekend with an accurate gauge and a portable compressor, try playing with these numbers to feel the changes for yourself. Begin with extremes [15 psi bias] one way then the other, then ‘stock’, then maybe fine tuning to your liking. It’s a lot of fun and truly enlightening…………………….BEST TO YOU, hope to chat again soon…….jeff b.
================================================== ==========
Jeff:
Your expert information on BMW tire pressures seems to be right on target, and the reasons behind it is well written so even me, (A non BMW tech/mech.), can understand it, (THANKS). What you had said about: Oversteer then increase Rear T/P or Decrease Front T/P. and if it udersteer, then increase Front T/P or Decrease Rear T/P, etc. and I will try it soon when I get some time.
Also I am enclosing an article, (SEE BELOW), that was teken from a famous 2004 auto magazine comparing Mercedes E430. 2004 BMW 530i and the Jaguars, that I thought you might like to see:
Eddie :smokin:
===============================
"And while the E-Class Mercedes may be our favorite Benz of all time, especially the V-8 E430, the 5-series cabin is fresher than that of the Mercedes and also more masculine. Call us old-school, but BMW knows how to make cars for men that women will want to drive. Mercedes seems to aim right between gender lines instead. That's fine (Jaguars, by the way, are nearly always aimed at men looking to attract women, and by golly it works!), but the BMW philosophy is the most visceral to us. Sit behind the wheel of the 530i and we think you'll understand exactly who this car is aimed at."
NOTE:
Above INSERT was taken from 2004 Magazine testing the 04 530i from the www
===============================
Presley348
09-03-2004, 09:10 PM
HELLO 'EDDIE' ! !
HELLO ‘Eddie’ ! ! !
No question on Jags sex appeal, once angina they’re building beautiful cars.
Greeeat question on Tire Pressure! ! All should be more informed on the subject. I’ll try to be simple and concise.
NOTE: these are only my opinions but I think they’re generally accepted.
1] Your BMW tech. is CORRECT. Spend a few minutes getting familiar with the ‘Tire Pressure/Load’ label on the left ‘B’ pillar [drivers door post].
2] The key to handling is balance! !
3] Manufacturers have to compromise between handling and ride quality, BMW has always biased towards handling. The factors, in order are, overall weight, weight bias, suspension geometry [complexity], spring rates, shock valving, roll control [anti-sway bars] and lastly Tire Pressure.
4] In simplest terms Understeer is when the front doesn’t steer enough, ‘plows’, you turn the wheels and the cars wants to keep going straight. Oversteer is when the front steers too much, ‘fishtails’, you turn the wheels and the front turns so much the rear looses grip and slides out of the turn. The more an axle slips, the greater it’s ‘slip angle’.
5] All other parameters now being fixed, tire pressure bias gets to play an important roll. Almost all BMW’s run higher rear T/P [tire press.]. Performance cars tend towards oversteer because a ‘well balanced’ excellent handling car at its limits of adhesion is steerable with the throttle. Might sound strange but a moments thought clears this up, going ‘fast’ can only be done with the right foot, the last input is the right foot, the last steering input should be the right foot.
6] Pressure corrections [since that’s all you have to work with]:
IF your car oversteers, Increase Rear T/P or Decrease Front T/P.
IF your car understeers, Increase Front T/P or Decrease Rear T/P.
Increasing ‘stagger’, using T/P in our case increases the tire’s footprint, contact and
traction, decreasing the slip angle, better ‘sticking’ one end of the car.
7] MAX. PRESS. stampings on the tire sidewall MUST be adheared to.
8] The vehicle manufacturer’s labels are the BEST starting point for adjustments.
I left a great deal out of this for simplicity but if you can find the time and place some weekend with an accurate gauge and a portable compressor, try playing with these numbers to feel the changes for yourself. Begin with extremes [15 psi bias] one way then the other, then ‘stock’, then maybe fine tuning to your liking. It’s a lot of fun and truly enlightening…………………….BEST TO YOU, hope to chat again soon…….jeff b.
================================================
Hi Jeff:
Well, I finally "bit the bullet", broke down and purchased the 7 years/100,000 miles warranty from my BMW dealership today. :iceslolan
I hope I will never need it, but just in case, besides it got to help the resale values when I get ready to trade cars one of these years, (what a Bimmer sales pitch huh? LOL).:loser:
Eddie Presley :smokin:
HELLO ‘Eddie’ ! ! !
No question on Jags sex appeal, once angina they’re building beautiful cars.
Greeeat question on Tire Pressure! ! All should be more informed on the subject. I’ll try to be simple and concise.
NOTE: these are only my opinions but I think they’re generally accepted.
1] Your BMW tech. is CORRECT. Spend a few minutes getting familiar with the ‘Tire Pressure/Load’ label on the left ‘B’ pillar [drivers door post].
2] The key to handling is balance! !
3] Manufacturers have to compromise between handling and ride quality, BMW has always biased towards handling. The factors, in order are, overall weight, weight bias, suspension geometry [complexity], spring rates, shock valving, roll control [anti-sway bars] and lastly Tire Pressure.
4] In simplest terms Understeer is when the front doesn’t steer enough, ‘plows’, you turn the wheels and the cars wants to keep going straight. Oversteer is when the front steers too much, ‘fishtails’, you turn the wheels and the front turns so much the rear looses grip and slides out of the turn. The more an axle slips, the greater it’s ‘slip angle’.
5] All other parameters now being fixed, tire pressure bias gets to play an important roll. Almost all BMW’s run higher rear T/P [tire press.]. Performance cars tend towards oversteer because a ‘well balanced’ excellent handling car at its limits of adhesion is steerable with the throttle. Might sound strange but a moments thought clears this up, going ‘fast’ can only be done with the right foot, the last input is the right foot, the last steering input should be the right foot.
6] Pressure corrections [since that’s all you have to work with]:
IF your car oversteers, Increase Rear T/P or Decrease Front T/P.
IF your car understeers, Increase Front T/P or Decrease Rear T/P.
Increasing ‘stagger’, using T/P in our case increases the tire’s footprint, contact and
traction, decreasing the slip angle, better ‘sticking’ one end of the car.
7] MAX. PRESS. stampings on the tire sidewall MUST be adheared to.
8] The vehicle manufacturer’s labels are the BEST starting point for adjustments.
I left a great deal out of this for simplicity but if you can find the time and place some weekend with an accurate gauge and a portable compressor, try playing with these numbers to feel the changes for yourself. Begin with extremes [15 psi bias] one way then the other, then ‘stock’, then maybe fine tuning to your liking. It’s a lot of fun and truly enlightening…………………….BEST TO YOU, hope to chat again soon…….jeff b.
================================================
Hi Jeff:
Well, I finally "bit the bullet", broke down and purchased the 7 years/100,000 miles warranty from my BMW dealership today. :iceslolan
I hope I will never need it, but just in case, besides it got to help the resale values when I get ready to trade cars one of these years, (what a Bimmer sales pitch huh? LOL).:loser:
Eddie Presley :smokin:
jeffreyb4me
09-06-2004, 09:08 PM
Hello Eddie, I don't think you've chipped any teeth on that 'bullet' and still believe it's a wise choice on a brand new model like yours. I to hope you'll never need to use it, but just one [or two] control modules and will have paid for itself. Best to you and Stay In Touch.......jeff b.
Presley348
09-10-2004, 10:17 PM
Hello Eddie, I don't think you've chipped any teeth on that 'bullet' and still believe it's a wise choice on a brand new model like yours. I to hope you'll never need to use it, but just one [or two] control modules and will have paid for itself. Best to you and Stay In Touch.......jeff b.================================================ ===========
Hello Jeff b:
Like most Bimmer owners, I am all for saving money $$$ without reducing BMW quality or BMW performance. Anytime I hear of something that sounds too good to be true, I think to myself well it probably is, and I tend to stay away from such, that's is until the proper research is completed by BMW professionals & Tech's, such as yourself.
But this one new thing on the market for most cars and BMW that supposed to get better gas mileage; their ad states: "a MPG gains as high as 31%", and better performance, and their ad states: "the Turbonator will add up to 35 horsepower to your vehicle." for: $69.95?
Anyway it is called the "turbonator" and I am sending you a hyperlink to look at it and tell me you expert thoughts on it, is it any good and does what they say it does, or is it junk? (I am thinking Junk, but what do you think or possible already know about that product?).
Click on: http://www.turbonator.com/index.html?id=adWordsBMW (http://www.turbonator.com/index.html?id=adWordsBMW)
Thanks,
R. Eddie Presley aka Presley348 :smokin:
PS,
Yea, I bit the bullet and bought the extended warranty for my Bimmer, and so far my teeth are not chipped, yet, (LOL) so I guess I got a pretty good price on my extended warranty plan for my 04, 530i. I do appreciate the advice you gave me on it, because it not only prompted me to do more extensive www research, but got me to shop around, and to ask the right questions to these extended warranty companies, which enabled me to save over $1,200.00 from my BMW dealer last week, once again: THANKS!
Hello Jeff b:
Like most Bimmer owners, I am all for saving money $$$ without reducing BMW quality or BMW performance. Anytime I hear of something that sounds too good to be true, I think to myself well it probably is, and I tend to stay away from such, that's is until the proper research is completed by BMW professionals & Tech's, such as yourself.
But this one new thing on the market for most cars and BMW that supposed to get better gas mileage; their ad states: "a MPG gains as high as 31%", and better performance, and their ad states: "the Turbonator will add up to 35 horsepower to your vehicle." for: $69.95?
Anyway it is called the "turbonator" and I am sending you a hyperlink to look at it and tell me you expert thoughts on it, is it any good and does what they say it does, or is it junk? (I am thinking Junk, but what do you think or possible already know about that product?).
Click on: http://www.turbonator.com/index.html?id=adWordsBMW (http://www.turbonator.com/index.html?id=adWordsBMW)
Thanks,
R. Eddie Presley aka Presley348 :smokin:
PS,
Yea, I bit the bullet and bought the extended warranty for my Bimmer, and so far my teeth are not chipped, yet, (LOL) so I guess I got a pretty good price on my extended warranty plan for my 04, 530i. I do appreciate the advice you gave me on it, because it not only prompted me to do more extensive www research, but got me to shop around, and to ask the right questions to these extended warranty companies, which enabled me to save over $1,200.00 from my BMW dealer last week, once again: THANKS!
jeffreyb4me
09-12-2004, 12:01 AM
Hello again Eddie ! !
Answer IS, yes and no OR no and yes, OR ......NO, it [they] are not new and YES they are junk....junk is in the eye of the beholder [if a person purchases one], and then takes the time to 'install' one [one size fits all ? ?, amazing], then takes more time to convince self "This wasn't a waste of money ! ?", then takes more time to attempt some refund..... Sorry but silly s__t like this makes me giggle 'til I realize how many folks have been flammed by these things. Then "why didn't I have the balls to pull a con like that?" sometimes crosses my assumed [and fickled] mind.
YES, your right, of it sounds too good..........there are many such 'devises' out there, and someone must be buying them [ same folks that'll be voting for..........?] New phrase....."Carrisms"??
Wish I had a wiity analogy here but it's past my bed time.
Best to you.................stay in touch.................jeff b..................
Answer IS, yes and no OR no and yes, OR ......NO, it [they] are not new and YES they are junk....junk is in the eye of the beholder [if a person purchases one], and then takes the time to 'install' one [one size fits all ? ?, amazing], then takes more time to convince self "This wasn't a waste of money ! ?", then takes more time to attempt some refund..... Sorry but silly s__t like this makes me giggle 'til I realize how many folks have been flammed by these things. Then "why didn't I have the balls to pull a con like that?" sometimes crosses my assumed [and fickled] mind.
YES, your right, of it sounds too good..........there are many such 'devises' out there, and someone must be buying them [ same folks that'll be voting for..........?] New phrase....."Carrisms"??
Wish I had a wiity analogy here but it's past my bed time.
Best to you.................stay in touch.................jeff b..................
Presley348
09-22-2004, 10:01 PM
Hello again Eddie ! !
Answer IS, yes and no OR no and yes, OR ......NO, it [they] are not new and YES they are junk....junk is in the eye of the beholder [if a person purchases one], and then takes the time to 'install' one [one size fits all ? ?, amazing], then takes more time to convince self "This wasn't a waste of money ! ?", then takes more time to attempt some refund..... Sorry but silly s__t like this makes me giggle 'til I realize how many folks have been flammed by these things. Then "why didn't I have the balls to pull a con like that?" sometimes crosses my assumed [and fickled] mind.
YES, your right, of it sounds too good..........there are many such 'devises' out there, and someone must be buying them [ same folks that'll be voting for..........?] New phrase....."Carrisms"??
Wish I had a wiity analogy here but it's past my bed time.
Best to you.................stay in touch.................jeff b..................=============================== ===========================
Hi Jeff:
I hate to bother you, again, but I need some of your expert BMW advice, before I take the plunge this week, and buy a set of 18 or 19inch rims and run flat tires for my new 04 BMW 530i.
A little history: When I purchased my new 04 Bimmer I did not order the $3000.00+ Sport package option, because I read here at the forum where some of the owners were advising against it, because they said the new BMW five series sport packages are difficult to keep it properly aligned with the sport package, and if I bought that option that my tires would be dishing/curbing out, and I would be then replacing tires about every 10,000 to 15,000miles!
I am not a Rockefeller with $$$, so I did not purchased the sport package with active steering on my 04 530i, and I have made it this far, but I still want those larger BMW rims and tires! :confused:
So to make sure they were telling me right, I checked it out for myself, and they were right! I test drove a couple of pre owned 03's 525 and 530i's and sure enough they did not drive right at all, they both made a road grinding type noise in the front end tires area (like a wore out wheel bearing or "metel to metal" brake pads to rotor scrubing type of noise, but the BMW mechanic/tech told me after checking it out, that the wheel bearings and brake, rotors, etc. were just fine, and said it could need aligning, and something else that I never heard of before), but the larger BMW tires did show excessive tire edge wear, and they needed to be replaced, but just at 14,000miles. $$$$!!!!!!!!!! : ( :banghead:
But I did like the looks of the larger 18 and 19inch rims, and thought well I will buy my 530i with the premium package and xenon's, but with no sport package with the active steering thing, and one day, I will buy a set of larger rims and tires for my 530i. Well, I got the fever, and now is about that day! (LOL)
Three Questions:
1) Will the 18i or 19nch tires work ok on my 04 530i, and not scrub my fender wells?
2) Where can I purchase a set of BMW rims with a good price at here on the www?
3) Which larger rims would you recommend: BMW or RSS or ???.
And early thanks Jeff, and have a good day!
Your 04 530i friend,
R. Eddie Presley348 = GA :smokin:
Answer IS, yes and no OR no and yes, OR ......NO, it [they] are not new and YES they are junk....junk is in the eye of the beholder [if a person purchases one], and then takes the time to 'install' one [one size fits all ? ?, amazing], then takes more time to convince self "This wasn't a waste of money ! ?", then takes more time to attempt some refund..... Sorry but silly s__t like this makes me giggle 'til I realize how many folks have been flammed by these things. Then "why didn't I have the balls to pull a con like that?" sometimes crosses my assumed [and fickled] mind.
YES, your right, of it sounds too good..........there are many such 'devises' out there, and someone must be buying them [ same folks that'll be voting for..........?] New phrase....."Carrisms"??
Wish I had a wiity analogy here but it's past my bed time.
Best to you.................stay in touch.................jeff b..................=============================== ===========================
Hi Jeff:
I hate to bother you, again, but I need some of your expert BMW advice, before I take the plunge this week, and buy a set of 18 or 19inch rims and run flat tires for my new 04 BMW 530i.
A little history: When I purchased my new 04 Bimmer I did not order the $3000.00+ Sport package option, because I read here at the forum where some of the owners were advising against it, because they said the new BMW five series sport packages are difficult to keep it properly aligned with the sport package, and if I bought that option that my tires would be dishing/curbing out, and I would be then replacing tires about every 10,000 to 15,000miles!
I am not a Rockefeller with $$$, so I did not purchased the sport package with active steering on my 04 530i, and I have made it this far, but I still want those larger BMW rims and tires! :confused:
So to make sure they were telling me right, I checked it out for myself, and they were right! I test drove a couple of pre owned 03's 525 and 530i's and sure enough they did not drive right at all, they both made a road grinding type noise in the front end tires area (like a wore out wheel bearing or "metel to metal" brake pads to rotor scrubing type of noise, but the BMW mechanic/tech told me after checking it out, that the wheel bearings and brake, rotors, etc. were just fine, and said it could need aligning, and something else that I never heard of before), but the larger BMW tires did show excessive tire edge wear, and they needed to be replaced, but just at 14,000miles. $$$$!!!!!!!!!! : ( :banghead:
But I did like the looks of the larger 18 and 19inch rims, and thought well I will buy my 530i with the premium package and xenon's, but with no sport package with the active steering thing, and one day, I will buy a set of larger rims and tires for my 530i. Well, I got the fever, and now is about that day! (LOL)
Three Questions:
1) Will the 18i or 19nch tires work ok on my 04 530i, and not scrub my fender wells?
2) Where can I purchase a set of BMW rims with a good price at here on the www?
3) Which larger rims would you recommend: BMW or RSS or ???.
And early thanks Jeff, and have a good day!
Your 04 530i friend,
R. Eddie Presley348 = GA :smokin:
jeffreyb4me
09-22-2004, 10:50 PM
HELLO Eddie ! ! I don't believe the actual suspension geometery [in fact I'm quite sure] is any different with the 'Sport Package' but damping control and wheel tire size ARE. The wheel/tires on the ones you drove account for the excessive road noise you noted and you will notice the change on your car when going +1 or +2. Not much can be done about this on any vehicle but tire choice does make a difference. And to some extent $ spent will. Personally, I'm very appy with the SO3's I put on my 320is and our Z3 2.8, grippy and not too noisy [much quieter than the RE730's we finally took off [they replaced the Pilot's it came with] after my wife kept complaining about the drop in 'turn-in' feel.
I'm rambling again but hell, I've got a couple of minutes for once.....
Do some research on line before you buy. You want a comprimise between grip, noise, wear and feel...pick your order, some are better at....you know what I mean.
The wear you noted, if on the outer edges was due to "enthusiastic driving" I suspect BUT the TOE SETTING IS CRITICAL on these larger wider tires ! ! !
The bigger footprint WILL mean less 'on center' feel but this is usually minimized by having the toe set as close to 0.0 the spec's will allow.
ALSO be sure the car is properly loaded to spec hieght during the alignment ! ! !
ONE LAST TIP Eddie, look on the pillar or your drivers door for the vehicle laod label. It shows all the factory optional sizes and I wouldn't go any bigger, but do keep in mind, the wider you go, the more noisy it gets.....alway's been that way, probably always will....and the more your going to 'feel' all of the road through your steering wheel.
Oh yeah, wheels.......again a personal choice as far as appearence but I do Recommend a factory option wheel first AND ACCEPT NO....NO WHEEL THAT REQUIRES ANY TYPE OF "CENTERING" RING ! ! ! You'll never be happy with them though they might look bitch'n.......BMW's were meant to be driven, not just look good parked and few owners of some of the cheap wheels you see on these cars are probably willing to admit how much vibration in the steering wheel and elsewhere they put up with.......after spending more cash then the wheels were worth....
BEST TO YOU ............stay in touch.............jeff b.
I'm rambling again but hell, I've got a couple of minutes for once.....
Do some research on line before you buy. You want a comprimise between grip, noise, wear and feel...pick your order, some are better at....you know what I mean.
The wear you noted, if on the outer edges was due to "enthusiastic driving" I suspect BUT the TOE SETTING IS CRITICAL on these larger wider tires ! ! !
The bigger footprint WILL mean less 'on center' feel but this is usually minimized by having the toe set as close to 0.0 the spec's will allow.
ALSO be sure the car is properly loaded to spec hieght during the alignment ! ! !
ONE LAST TIP Eddie, look on the pillar or your drivers door for the vehicle laod label. It shows all the factory optional sizes and I wouldn't go any bigger, but do keep in mind, the wider you go, the more noisy it gets.....alway's been that way, probably always will....and the more your going to 'feel' all of the road through your steering wheel.
Oh yeah, wheels.......again a personal choice as far as appearence but I do Recommend a factory option wheel first AND ACCEPT NO....NO WHEEL THAT REQUIRES ANY TYPE OF "CENTERING" RING ! ! ! You'll never be happy with them though they might look bitch'n.......BMW's were meant to be driven, not just look good parked and few owners of some of the cheap wheels you see on these cars are probably willing to admit how much vibration in the steering wheel and elsewhere they put up with.......after spending more cash then the wheels were worth....
BEST TO YOU ............stay in touch.............jeff b.
Presley348
09-22-2004, 11:30 PM
HELLO Eddie ! ! I don't believe the actual suspension geometery [in fact I'm quite sure] is any different with the 'Sport Package' but damping control and wheel tire size ARE. The wheel/tires on the ones you drove account for the excessive road noise you noted and you will notice the change on your car when going +1 or +2. Not much can be done about this on any vehicle but tire choice does make a difference. And to some extent $ spent will. Personally, I'm very appy with the SO3's I put on my 320is and our Z3 2.8, grippy and not too noisy [much quieter than the RE730's we finally took off [they replaced the Pilot's it came with] after my wife kept complaining about the drop in 'turn-in' feel.
I'm rambling again but hell, I've got a couple of minutes for once.....
Do some research on line before you buy. You want a comprimise between grip, noise, wear and feel...pick your order, some are better at....you know what I mean.
The wear you noted, if on the outer edges was due to "enthusiastic driving" I suspect BUT the TOE SETTING IS CRITICAL on these larger wider tires ! ! !
The bigger footprint WILL mean less 'on center' feel but this is usually minimized by having the toe set as close to 0.0 the spec's will allow.
ALSO be sure the car is properly loaded to spec hieght during the alignment ! ! !
ONE LAST TIP Eddie, look on the pillar or your drivers door for the vehicle laod label. It shows all the factory optional sizes and I wouldn't go any bigger, but do keep in mind, the wider you go, the more noisy it gets.....alway's been that way, probably always will....and the more your going to 'feel' all of the road through your steering wheel.
Oh yeah, wheels.......again a personal choice as far as appearence but I do Recommend a factory option wheel first AND ACCEPT NO....NO WHEEL THAT REQUIRES ANY TYPE OF "CENTERING" RING ! ! ! You'll never be happy with them though they might look bitch'n.......BMW's were meant to be driven, not just look good parked and few owners of some of the cheap wheels you see on these cars are probably willing to admit how much vibration in the steering wheel and elsewhere they put up with.......after spending more cash then the wheels were worth....
BEST TO YOU ............stay in touch.............jeff b.================================================ =============
Hi Jeff ! ! !
I am looking to purchase a set of nice BMW wheels for my 04 530i:
Click on:http://bavauto.com/shop.asp (http://bavauto.com/shop.asp) http://bavauto.com/assets/product_images/wheels/e39m5wheel.jpg (http://java script:open_img_window('e39m5wheel.jpg'))
There are BMW 18inch, but I have notice that some of the nicer Bimmer's, (M series), have 19inch on the rear and 18inch on the front. They look awesome, but I suspect to much $$$!!! But if I can get me another loan $$$ from, and I will look to buy me a set, but before I get my mind set on the different sizes, (18front and 19rear), and I now wonder how does one rotate the radials?
In the way I was taught and trained "many moons" ago, this new different tire sizes issue present a tire rotation, and balancing issue.
See I am from the old school, and in my younger days, (23-28yrs old), I was a GA certified EMT, and I own my own private ambulance service with a fleet of eight Ford Diesel ALS "Wheeled Coach" or "Horton" VAN type Ambulances here in the Atlanta GA area, and I was then, and I am today, a big time believer in Preventative maintenance, i.e.oil and air filter changes ever 4000 to 5000miles, (I used then Lubrication engineers Synthetic oil of TEXAS), and tire rotation and balancing, ever 3000 to 4000 miles, etc.
I always tried to rotate my Ambulance tires every 3000miles, and never had a problem out of my "Bridgestone" (10 ply) and "Toyo" and sometimes "Goodyear" 16.5 radial tires on my ambulances.
I was always told by Goodyear and Bridgestone technicians when rotating radial tires, (Not Bias Tires), never to rotate on them on the same axle, but always rotate front to rear, or rear to front, but: (never "X" ((cross)) them), and NEVER rotate tires side to side either, because the radial belts would be going in an opposite direction than accustomed to, and you must to keep radial belts always going in the same direction. Because if you don't this could cause the radial belt to separate, etc., (I don't know if that is true or not, but that is what the Goodyear Rep.-tech told me).
Whewww enough of that history... but I realize this posting is a might wordy, (sorry), but can you got the picture (LOL), but I was wondering if I bought different sizes BMW tires from my 530i, 19 rear and 18 front, how would I rotate them by going by Goodyear radial tire rules? (Are the Radial tire rotation rules that same of the way I was taught in the old days by Goodyear about keeping the radial belts always rotating in the same direction, or has it changes now days?). The manager at Kaufman Tires now tells me they rotate ALL radials by either crossing them which changes the direction of the radial belt, or if I insist (and I did and do, LOL), rotate front to rear (I insist never to rotate my BMW tires by crossing (("X")) them), but when rotating my tires keep the radial belt going in the same direction, but Jeff I realize this is no longer the early and late 1980s, but 2004, and things do change!
The advice and help you have given me so far on my new 04 530i here at the BMW forum has save me tons of $$$, in my book you are the BMW expert, ((not the Kaufman tire manager)) and what do you advise about tire rotation? Or just stay with 18 or 19inch all away around my 04 530i Chris Bangle special? (LOL)) Sorry to bother you again, but I will be waiting on what you say before I buy anything, and thanks once again Jeff for all your time and your advice you give me for my 530i, and have a good day!
Your 04 530i GA friend,
Eddie Presley :smokin:
I'm rambling again but hell, I've got a couple of minutes for once.....
Do some research on line before you buy. You want a comprimise between grip, noise, wear and feel...pick your order, some are better at....you know what I mean.
The wear you noted, if on the outer edges was due to "enthusiastic driving" I suspect BUT the TOE SETTING IS CRITICAL on these larger wider tires ! ! !
The bigger footprint WILL mean less 'on center' feel but this is usually minimized by having the toe set as close to 0.0 the spec's will allow.
ALSO be sure the car is properly loaded to spec hieght during the alignment ! ! !
ONE LAST TIP Eddie, look on the pillar or your drivers door for the vehicle laod label. It shows all the factory optional sizes and I wouldn't go any bigger, but do keep in mind, the wider you go, the more noisy it gets.....alway's been that way, probably always will....and the more your going to 'feel' all of the road through your steering wheel.
Oh yeah, wheels.......again a personal choice as far as appearence but I do Recommend a factory option wheel first AND ACCEPT NO....NO WHEEL THAT REQUIRES ANY TYPE OF "CENTERING" RING ! ! ! You'll never be happy with them though they might look bitch'n.......BMW's were meant to be driven, not just look good parked and few owners of some of the cheap wheels you see on these cars are probably willing to admit how much vibration in the steering wheel and elsewhere they put up with.......after spending more cash then the wheels were worth....
BEST TO YOU ............stay in touch.............jeff b.================================================ =============
Hi Jeff ! ! !
I am looking to purchase a set of nice BMW wheels for my 04 530i:
Click on:http://bavauto.com/shop.asp (http://bavauto.com/shop.asp) http://bavauto.com/assets/product_images/wheels/e39m5wheel.jpg (http://java script:open_img_window('e39m5wheel.jpg'))
There are BMW 18inch, but I have notice that some of the nicer Bimmer's, (M series), have 19inch on the rear and 18inch on the front. They look awesome, but I suspect to much $$$!!! But if I can get me another loan $$$ from, and I will look to buy me a set, but before I get my mind set on the different sizes, (18front and 19rear), and I now wonder how does one rotate the radials?
In the way I was taught and trained "many moons" ago, this new different tire sizes issue present a tire rotation, and balancing issue.
See I am from the old school, and in my younger days, (23-28yrs old), I was a GA certified EMT, and I own my own private ambulance service with a fleet of eight Ford Diesel ALS "Wheeled Coach" or "Horton" VAN type Ambulances here in the Atlanta GA area, and I was then, and I am today, a big time believer in Preventative maintenance, i.e.oil and air filter changes ever 4000 to 5000miles, (I used then Lubrication engineers Synthetic oil of TEXAS), and tire rotation and balancing, ever 3000 to 4000 miles, etc.
I always tried to rotate my Ambulance tires every 3000miles, and never had a problem out of my "Bridgestone" (10 ply) and "Toyo" and sometimes "Goodyear" 16.5 radial tires on my ambulances.
I was always told by Goodyear and Bridgestone technicians when rotating radial tires, (Not Bias Tires), never to rotate on them on the same axle, but always rotate front to rear, or rear to front, but: (never "X" ((cross)) them), and NEVER rotate tires side to side either, because the radial belts would be going in an opposite direction than accustomed to, and you must to keep radial belts always going in the same direction. Because if you don't this could cause the radial belt to separate, etc., (I don't know if that is true or not, but that is what the Goodyear Rep.-tech told me).
Whewww enough of that history... but I realize this posting is a might wordy, (sorry), but can you got the picture (LOL), but I was wondering if I bought different sizes BMW tires from my 530i, 19 rear and 18 front, how would I rotate them by going by Goodyear radial tire rules? (Are the Radial tire rotation rules that same of the way I was taught in the old days by Goodyear about keeping the radial belts always rotating in the same direction, or has it changes now days?). The manager at Kaufman Tires now tells me they rotate ALL radials by either crossing them which changes the direction of the radial belt, or if I insist (and I did and do, LOL), rotate front to rear (I insist never to rotate my BMW tires by crossing (("X")) them), but when rotating my tires keep the radial belt going in the same direction, but Jeff I realize this is no longer the early and late 1980s, but 2004, and things do change!
The advice and help you have given me so far on my new 04 530i here at the BMW forum has save me tons of $$$, in my book you are the BMW expert, ((not the Kaufman tire manager)) and what do you advise about tire rotation? Or just stay with 18 or 19inch all away around my 04 530i Chris Bangle special? (LOL)) Sorry to bother you again, but I will be waiting on what you say before I buy anything, and thanks once again Jeff for all your time and your advice you give me for my 530i, and have a good day!
Your 04 530i GA friend,
Eddie Presley :smokin:
jeffreyb4me
09-25-2004, 10:22 PM
Hey there Eddie ! ! i thinks them wheels is beautiful!! I've been happy with 'bavauto' so far, thats where I bought the 15" Zenders for our '80 320is.......18" & 19" on the rears......I'm sure it looks great, takes me back to earlier days of a '64 Malibu I planted a built L-88 427 into [wheel size difference], ANYWAY, with the diferent aspect ratios they use roll-out should be very close [ it has to be due to the brake & dynamic suspension electronics ].....TIRE ROTATION, as you said isn't what it used to be. Take our Z3 2.8 with 225/45's on front, 245/40's rear AND most performance tires are ASYMETRICAL [they can only rotate one direction]...X pattern rotation [popular w/bias ply tires] isn't even an option, the fronts I've left alone [in place after an accurate alignment], the rears [due to the slight excess in neg. camber in many Z3's thats not adjustible] I have 'swapped' side to side every 5,000m to even out the wear. Balancing these larger O.D. wheels with very low profile tires has to be done by someone experienced and diligent to be done right and eliminate vibration.
The 18"/19" combo sounds off to me, though feasible AND YOU'VE seen it. I'd check this out a little further though. These wheels AND tires aren't exactly peanutbutter/jelly cheap as you know........but it sure would look 'cool'....is that too archaic a term?????...what year was I born....never mind....would look REALLY COOL....I'm an old man.......jeff b
Stay in thouch, EDDIE ! ! !
The 18"/19" combo sounds off to me, though feasible AND YOU'VE seen it. I'd check this out a little further though. These wheels AND tires aren't exactly peanutbutter/jelly cheap as you know........but it sure would look 'cool'....is that too archaic a term?????...what year was I born....never mind....would look REALLY COOL....I'm an old man.......jeff b
Stay in thouch, EDDIE ! ! !
Presley348
10-11-2004, 07:40 PM
Hey there Eddie ! ! i thinks them wheels is beautiful!! I've been happy with 'bavauto' so far, thats where I bought the 15" Zenders for our '80 320is.......18" & 19" on the rears......I'm sure it looks great, takes me back to earlier days of a '64 Malibu I planted a built L-88 427 into [wheel size difference], ANYWAY, with the diferent aspect ratios they use roll-out should be very close [ it has to be due to the brake & dynamic suspension electronics ].....TIRE ROTATION, as you said isn't what it used to be. Take our Z3 2.8 with 225/45's on front, 245/40's rear AND most performance tires are ASYMETRICAL [they can only rotate one direction]...X pattern rotation [popular w/bias ply tires] isn't even an option, the fronts I've left alone [in place after an accurate alignment], the rears [due to the slight excess in neg. camber in many Z3's thats not adjustible] I have 'swapped' side to side every 5,000m to even out the wear. Balancing these larger O.D. wheels with very low profile tires has to be done by someone experienced and diligent to be done right and eliminate vibration.
The 18"/19" combo sounds off to me, though feasible AND YOU'VE seen it. I'd check this out a little further though. These wheels AND tires aren't exactly peanutbutter/jelly cheap as you know........but it sure would look 'cool'....is that too archaic a term?????...what year was I born....never mind....would look REALLY COOL....I'm an old man.......jeff b
Stay in thouch, EDDIE ! ! !
================================================== ========
MON: 10-11-04
Hi Jeff:
I am getting the fever again to try the tire and wheel thing once again, but I need your BMW expert opinion once again...on the 18 or 19inch wheels?
Do these BMW 18in or 19in wheels run smooth when balanced properly? I was told by some BMW owners they are a times difficult to keep balance and keep aligned on the 04 530i, properly compared to the stock 17in? Is this true, or ....??? :banghead:
Thanks in advance!
Your 04 530i Atlanta, Ga friend,
Eddie Presley :smokin:
The 18"/19" combo sounds off to me, though feasible AND YOU'VE seen it. I'd check this out a little further though. These wheels AND tires aren't exactly peanutbutter/jelly cheap as you know........but it sure would look 'cool'....is that too archaic a term?????...what year was I born....never mind....would look REALLY COOL....I'm an old man.......jeff b
Stay in thouch, EDDIE ! ! !
================================================== ========
MON: 10-11-04
Hi Jeff:
I am getting the fever again to try the tire and wheel thing once again, but I need your BMW expert opinion once again...on the 18 or 19inch wheels?
Do these BMW 18in or 19in wheels run smooth when balanced properly? I was told by some BMW owners they are a times difficult to keep balance and keep aligned on the 04 530i, properly compared to the stock 17in? Is this true, or ....??? :banghead:
Thanks in advance!
Your 04 530i Atlanta, Ga friend,
Eddie Presley :smokin:
jeffreyb4me
10-11-2004, 10:47 PM
HELLO Eddie ! ! !
Yes, the BMW wheels will run smootly when PROPERLY balanced AS LONG AS you've got QUALITY TIRES. Even then ,balancing these larger diameter wheels correctly can be time consuming but the finished product IS worth it!!
AFTERMARKET wheels, by and large, is another mater altogether and this may be where many of the sorry stories come from, fitment, run-out, poor constuction, etc.... I could tell you a few stories but am out of time tonight.
Wheel alignment, though accuracy is critical, once properly set really isn't an issue [ it won't change much ] but the difference in component loads can increase wear in the linkages to some extent and the dynamic geometery changes somewhat due to the decrease in sidewall flex, etc...
Hope this helped Eddie and please , KEEP IN TOUCH...............jeff b.....
Yes, the BMW wheels will run smootly when PROPERLY balanced AS LONG AS you've got QUALITY TIRES. Even then ,balancing these larger diameter wheels correctly can be time consuming but the finished product IS worth it!!
AFTERMARKET wheels, by and large, is another mater altogether and this may be where many of the sorry stories come from, fitment, run-out, poor constuction, etc.... I could tell you a few stories but am out of time tonight.
Wheel alignment, though accuracy is critical, once properly set really isn't an issue [ it won't change much ] but the difference in component loads can increase wear in the linkages to some extent and the dynamic geometery changes somewhat due to the decrease in sidewall flex, etc...
Hope this helped Eddie and please , KEEP IN TOUCH...............jeff b.....
Presley348
10-12-2004, 06:04 PM
HELLO Eddie ! ! !
Yes, the BMW wheels will run smootly when PROPERLY balanced AS LONG AS you've got QUALITY TIRES. Even then ,balancing these larger diameter wheels correctly can be time consuming but the finished product IS worth it!!
AFTERMARKET wheels, by and large, is another mater altogether and this may be where many of the sorry stories come from, fitment, run-out, poor constuction, etc.... I could tell you a few stories but am out of time tonight.
Wheel alignment, though accuracy is critical, once properly set really isn't an issue [ it won't change much ] but the difference in component loads can increase wear in the linkages to some extent and the dynamic geometery changes somewhat due to the decrease in sidewall flex, etc...
Hope this helped Eddie and please , KEEP IN TOUCH...............jeff b.....============================================ =================
Hi Jeff:
If you have time, click the hyperlink blow), and take a look at these new 2004 18inch M5 Replica BMW wheels, and give me you thoughts. (Yea you guessed it, I am price shopping, again...and the price of the BMW M5 Wheel replicas seems excellent.)
Like most BMW owners, I want the most bang for my buck, $$$$. but of course without reducing Mr. "Christopher Bangle's" and his BMW design Team Highest Quality,,,or should I "bite Another bullet", (LOL Like I did a month ago when I bought my 7yr 100,000 "Fidelity" extended warranty plan...LOL) and just go ahead and go to the bank for another loan and shall out over $4000.00 to my Local Nalley BMW dealer of Decatur GA, and buy the BMW M5 wheels aka the real BMW thing, but along with the REAL BMW PRICE $$$!!? :banghead: LOL)
http://www.slickcar.com/productdetails.asp?ProductID=3084 (http://www.slickcar.com/productdetails.asp?ProductID=3084)
Thanks in advance for your valued BMW opinion!
Your 04 530i Friend,
Eddie Presley :smokin:
Yes, the BMW wheels will run smootly when PROPERLY balanced AS LONG AS you've got QUALITY TIRES. Even then ,balancing these larger diameter wheels correctly can be time consuming but the finished product IS worth it!!
AFTERMARKET wheels, by and large, is another mater altogether and this may be where many of the sorry stories come from, fitment, run-out, poor constuction, etc.... I could tell you a few stories but am out of time tonight.
Wheel alignment, though accuracy is critical, once properly set really isn't an issue [ it won't change much ] but the difference in component loads can increase wear in the linkages to some extent and the dynamic geometery changes somewhat due to the decrease in sidewall flex, etc...
Hope this helped Eddie and please , KEEP IN TOUCH...............jeff b.....============================================ =================
Hi Jeff:
If you have time, click the hyperlink blow), and take a look at these new 2004 18inch M5 Replica BMW wheels, and give me you thoughts. (Yea you guessed it, I am price shopping, again...and the price of the BMW M5 Wheel replicas seems excellent.)
Like most BMW owners, I want the most bang for my buck, $$$$. but of course without reducing Mr. "Christopher Bangle's" and his BMW design Team Highest Quality,,,or should I "bite Another bullet", (LOL Like I did a month ago when I bought my 7yr 100,000 "Fidelity" extended warranty plan...LOL) and just go ahead and go to the bank for another loan and shall out over $4000.00 to my Local Nalley BMW dealer of Decatur GA, and buy the BMW M5 wheels aka the real BMW thing, but along with the REAL BMW PRICE $$$!!? :banghead: LOL)
http://www.slickcar.com/productdetails.asp?ProductID=3084 (http://www.slickcar.com/productdetails.asp?ProductID=3084)
Thanks in advance for your valued BMW opinion!
Your 04 530i Friend,
Eddie Presley :smokin:
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