V6 mustung V.S. V6 eclipse who would win

this two cars have about the same hp but one is domestic and the other is an import who would win this the domestic or the import

are they both autos or manuals. auto mustang vs. manual eclipse....eclipse wins hands down even with a bad driver. auto vs. auto.....might be a little closer.

I had a v6 Camaro 5sp and I could smoke a v6 stang and I could hang with a non-supercharged v8 stang. Since I bought my GT I have raced a few v6 Camaros and I can blow the paint off their doors. So I would have to say that the Gt Eclipse can smoke a v6 stang

Here's the deal, its called paper racing! (i like this stuff)
and u can do this yourself using kbb.com or edmunds.com and using the sidebyside comparison
there is also a site where you can get the rated 1/4 mile times but i forgot it
V6 Mustang coupe at the crank has (the newer model)....
193 @ 5500 RPM
Torque 225 @ 2780 RPM
the weight is 3066
keep in mind that ford is crap and check your own numbers
and the V6 Eclipse is at 200hp @ 5500rpm
205ft/lbs @4000 so close numbers s
3120lbs weight
its a close race but you should pull ahead EASY if its an auto (like waht was stated before) and if he can't drive I haven't raced a mustang yet, but my friends got a conv. w/ dual pipes and chips and claims 250hp, i think i can take him but we'll see we both run 15sec 1/4s

keep in mind hp rules the game and the more you have to the ground the better you are

i have a 2000 gt eclipse manual and i smoke my cousins V6 mustang it doesn't come close

I think that the Eclipse GT 5 speed can beat most stock NA engine 4 or 6 cylinder under 30 k brand new, but there are exeptions

does that include the 350Z?? cause the base model is like $28000. thats kind of a broad statement. what about the new mustangs, like the 2005 v6's. how much horsepower do those have?

I take my statement back. I assumed the 350z was over 30000 so nevermind

im just messing with you man. i was sitting here thinking of which brand new NA 4 or 6 cyl cars could beat a GT eclipse, and i couldnt come up with one. i came up with the 350Z just by a technicality

it really depends what year V6 mustang, the '94-'98 only had 140 hp, the '99-'04 had 190, and the '05 has 207. Which one is it?

yeah i was thinking about the new mustangs cause i heard they beefed up the engine some but i didnt know how much

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and the V6 Eclipse is at 200hp @ 5500rpm
205ft/lbs @4000 so close numbers s
3120lbs weight


a stock gt does not have 200hp. i have a friend w/ a gt that has xiracing headers, tuned safc II, greddy evo II catback and injen short ram and when he had it dynoed he wasn't even pulling 190.

200 hp is flywheel hp

i think the eclipse GT stock 5 speed has 170 - 175 whp (wheel HP)
and the GT automatic has like 160 whp

first of all almost anything Acura (honda) makes wil kick our asses. eg. S2000, civic si, rsx, rsx type S, integra typr R, GSR, shall i keep going. damn isnt it sad when a 1.8 litre can kick our asses? at least our cars look good right? He he he he he he. SOB!!!!! god damn our cars are slow!!!!!!!!!

this two cars have about the same hp but one is domestic and the other is an import who would win this the domestic or the import

Darwin wins, everyone who thinks this is a good race all lose.

You really think the almighty 200 horsepower (flywheel) Eclipse GT is unbeatable by modern 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder cars? It's a boat, to start, with a curb weight of about 3142 for the 5 speed tranny. At the wheels, you're looking at about 170 whp. Do you really want to get in to which cars obliterate this in stock form? Not to mention, most of these can walk away from an Eclipse GT, auto or 5 speed, with as much as 1.4L less of displacement (Civic SI).

98-01 Acura Integra Type-R (200hp, 1.8L I4)
92-01 Acura Integra GSR (94-01 1.8L 170hp, 92-93 1.7L 160hp, I4)
01-03 Acura CL (260hp, 3.2L V6)
02-05 Acura RSX Type-S (02-04 200hp, 05 210hp, both 2.0L I4)
91-93 Acura NSX (under 30k)(270hp, 3.0L V6)
96-02 BMW Z3 (225hp, 3.0L I6)
00-04 Ford Focus SVT (170hp, 2.0L I4)
99-04 Honda Civic SI (99-00 160hp 1.6L I4, 01-05 160hp 2.0L I4)
93-95 Honda Civic Del Sol VTEC (160hp, 1.6L I4)
00-05 Honda S2000 (00-03, 240hp 2.0L I4, 04-05 240hp 2.2L I4)
01-03 Dodge Stratus (200hp, 2.7L V6)
97-04 Jeep Wrangler (181hp, 4.0L I6)
03-05 Infinity G35 (280hp, 3.5L V6)
01-05 Lexus IS300 (215hp, 3.0L I6)
04-05 Mazda RX-8 (238hp, 1.3L Rotary)
03-05 Nissan 350Z (287hp, 3.5L V6)
04-05 Nissan Maxima (265hp, 3.5L V6)
00-03 Toyota Celica (180hp, 1.8L I4)

This is all I could get off the top of my head. If you doubt any of these numbers, go here: http://autos.msn.com/default.aspx?src=Home
Btw, all of those are cars are under $30,000, 4 or 6 cylinders (except the Rotary, a big 1.3L), and are naturally aspirated.

If you still think the GT or GTS could walk away from any of these cars, do us all a favor and slit your wrists. Do you even want me to touch forced induction cars?

psychotic_z, i think you miss read. he said 4cyl, 6cyl NA stock under $30,000. yeah most of those cars would beat a v6 eclipse, but those are not under $30,000.
not under $30,000:
G35 http://www.infiniti.com/content/0,,action-IPriceOptions_modelId-75219,00.html
$32,000

S2000 http://automobiles.honda.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=S2000&bhcp=1&BrowserDetected=True $33,000

Z3 http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/Z4/25i
thats the Z4, which is just as slow as the GT eclipse
$34,000

the fact that you didnt know these cars were over $30,000 shows us that you dont know what youre talking about.

another thing, so you think a jeep wrangler is gonna beat a GT? i think you need to go slit your wrist sir. i have beat an RSX, RSX type S, Stratus, Civic SI, Integra GSR, Celica and have seen a GT beat the focus SVT. So you cant tell me that those cars will stomp my ass b/c they didnt when they had the chance.

and didnt the guy say NA? do you know what NA means? we know that just about every FI car will dog us, thats why we left them out.

91-93 Acura NSX (under 30k)(270hp, 3.0L V6)

hey asked about brand new cars under $30,000. since when is a '93 brand new?

a civic si beating a gt? thats a joke. more than half of those cars you listed can be beaten by a gt. why is it that everyone underrates these cars? its no 2g turbo but it can still beat a lot of 4 and 6 cylinder cars.

i drive an 02 civic si, my girlfriend drives an 01 eclipse gt so i know. Stock to stock (or hers basically stock), we have raced she wins every time. After mild performance suspension mods my si wins just because its gearing is shorter.

Keep in mind that we both race often, so when we race eachother its not like its 2 kids who dont know how to drive driving. So that at least takes care of the si thing!

psychotic_z, i think you miss read. he said 4cyl, 6cyl NA stock under $30,000. yeah most of those cars would beat a v6 eclipse, but those are not under $30,000.
not under $30,000:
G35 http://www.infiniti.com/content/0,,action-IPriceOptions_modelId-75219,00.html
$32,000

S2000 http://automobiles.honda.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=S2000&bhcp=1&BrowserDetected=True $33,000

Z3 http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/Z4/25i
thats the Z4, which is just as slow as the GT eclipse
$34,000

the fact that you didnt know these cars were over $30,000 shows us that you dont know what youre talking about.

another thing, so you think a jeep wrangler is gonna beat a GT? i think you need to go slit your wrist sir. i have beat an RSX, RSX type S, Stratus, Civic SI, Integra GSR, Celica and have seen a GT beat the focus SVT. So you cant tell me that those cars will stomp my ass b/c they didnt when they had the chance.

and didnt the guy say NA? do you know what NA means? we know that just about every FI car will dog us, thats why we left them out.

Touched a nerve, did I?

You're looking at MSRP's... For those who don't know, it stands for "Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price". Suggested is the word you'll want to look at. If you stroll down to any of your local dealerships, you'll never walk away with one of these cars at MSRP. More importantly, you'll notice '05 S2000's invoice price is $29,640. We may never actually pay this price due the middleman dealership, but this is the actual cost of the vehicle. $29,640 < $30,000. I can say that the S2000's actual price then is less than $30,000. I win there.

Again, look at MSN Autos as I posted. This website lists the invoice price, MSRP, and price range that you will pay for new and used vehicles.

Some of these cars do barely tip over $30,000 MSRP(S2000), I'm sorry you can't read between the lines, but it merely shows that many cars exist, several with only an inline-four, that will destroy the high and mighty GT in a race.

The G35 is only over $30,000 fully loaded (MSN Autos), btw.

I think YOU misread: The Z4 and the Z3 are different cars, different prices. The Z4 is a different incarnation of the Z3 and targeted more at the Porsche Boxster and $40k-$50k market. The most recent Z3, however, was the 2002 model that peaks at about $28,000 by Kelley's Blue Book. That and all the years before are less than $30,000 and will outrun a GT. Not to rub it in, having driven one with the smallest engine, I can tell you honestly the GT would fall victim to even the 2.5L I6, not to mention the 3.0L.

I thought that would stir someone up... The Wrangler is surprisingly quick with its 4.0L, you'd be surprised. With its low gearing and gobs of torque available early on, it'll get you and most other "quick" cars off the line and down the 1/8 mi. It can always run you over if you win, anyhow.

Have you been to the drag strip? You honestly have to know that racing from light to light and drag racing can't be compared. Have you raced any of these cars legally, on a strip? I've heard that GT's are low 15-second maybe high 14-second cars in the 1/4 mile (15.2s as tested by Motor Trend, that's a 210hp GTS). As slow as that actually is, the GSR you mentioned will beat you out assuming equal drivers (I've seen a best of 14.8 on a stock GSR), the Stratus I mentioned (not the 4 cylinder... congratulations defeating a 2.4L 142hp in a 3200lb car, really the achievement Mario Andretti, isn't it?) has the same curb weight and same V6 as the GT but with a DOHC cylinder head which means you raced a base model Stratus again, and you lose. The RSX Type S consistantly produces mid to high 14-second timeslips (which I'll post if you'd like, although it wouldn't prove anything) which, let's go back to this math thing: mid-14 second < high 14-second/low 15-seconds. Type S wins. The base model RSX, again, you could beat. We know that already. Thanks for adding that in again.

To the SI driver... I may have been wrong about the recent generation of SI's. The 00-01 SI's, with the B16A3 and not the K-series motor are a little lighter than this new generation. The 1.6 SI's usually run low, low 15's stock. You losing to your girlfriend could be attributed to the extra pounds that the new generation Civic has. Regardless, I might have been wrong, but it would be close race nonetheless. The same goes with the Del Sol VTEC, as they both have the same engine.

Celicas again post mid to high-14 second times right next to the GSR. In fact, it has 10 more ponies than the GSR. Either way, you lose.

Anyway, I think I nailed everything you said. There's really no point in arguing about it. The Eclipse GT is not the fastest car around, and certainly not the fastest V6 under $30,000. You should be able to admit that. If I left something out, please do tell though. All of the data I mentioned above was posted on autos.msn.com, so you kids can do your research there if you're interested. The 1/4 mile figures and such vary from driver to driver, track to track, and I can't prove those to be true beyond word of mouth. However, the Honda/Acura times come off actual timeslips from Honda-Tech.com posts. I'm sure you can poke around in model specfic forums and find 1/4 mile times for stock models.

However, just food for thought, I'll rip your ego some more. These are actual "Road Test Results" out of the August '04 Motor Trend. Note that they don't have every car tested (they probably do on their website), but only the newest cars with changes in the last model year or two. This is just another sampling of "brand new" cars. Enjoy.

................................................As tested Eng 0/60 1/4mi

Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS Spyder/'03....$28,000.....3.0L....6.9s...15.2s

Chevy Impala SS V6/'04.................$27,995.....3.8L...6.5s....14. 7s
Honda Accord V6 Coupe/'03............$26,000.....3.0L...6.3s...14.5s
Honda Accord V6 Sedan/'03............$28,890.....3.0L...6.5s...14.9s
Honda S2000/'04..I4......................$33,840.....2.2L...5. 8s...14.2s
Mitsubishi Galant V6/'04.................$26,292.....3.8L....6.8s...15. 1s
Volkswagen R32/'04.......................$30,625.....3.2L...5.9s. ..14.2s

i never said that the GT was the fastest car around. i just said that i couldnt think of any cars under that criteria that could beat a GT. i was also thinking more of performance cars. i know that the new accords will stomp us, and the new maximas will stomp us. i was thinking more of two door cars. i got my figures from the manufactors websites. i used those b/c price varies from dealer to dealer. a cars thats $32,000 where i live, could be $29000 where you live. thats why i went to the manufactor to see what they have them priced for.

damn, psychoticz really gets into this! I have an idea... get off the computer and get laid.
who the F cares about what car will beat what.
psychotic probably drives a ricer honda and hes just upset. or is the z supposed to stand for datsun or some overrated nissan. remember the original question was about a V6 mustang and the V6 eclipse. to finally answer the question, yes, to eclipse owns the mustang, hands down. psycotic- you should spend your friday nights tryin to hook up with the ladies, not in front of your computer with your king size box of Kleenex.

he drives an acura integra...probabaly riced out just like a honda. hes just jealous b/c stock for stock, our cars are faster, and look better than his.

yea psychoticz has too much time on his hands. and about a gsr running a 14.8 that is bull. also i dont know why people make the rsx-s seem like the fastest car around.it does low 15s and high 14s, but its not way faster than our cars, as a matter of fact, a gt vs an rsx-s should be a drivers race with weight being the advantage for the acura.

yeah we eclipse owners seem to know that, but obviously he doesnt. maybe he should take his knowledge of cars back to the honda/acura forum.

:loser:
:gives:
I am the one who posted the very broad statement. I was not saying that NO CAR UNDER 30,000 DOLLARS BRAND NEW and is a 4 or 6 cylinder NA engine will beat us.... I MEANT THAT USUALLY OUR ECLIPSE GT V6 5 SPEED HAS A FIGHTING CHANCE TO BEAT MOST OF THE CARS UNDER THAT CRITIA.

I know that there are some cars under that critia that will smoke us, but not as many as we can smoke.

Accord V6 will smoke us
S2000 even though its over 30000 in 99% of the US, will smoke us
The Nissan 350z which meets all of the requirements, will smoke us

Argue with me all that you want, I really do not care :gives:

I raced a 98 Integra GSR with CAI and exhaust. I was running only on an AEM CAI. I beat him by like 1 1/2 to 2 cars. so i think our cars can beat on GSR and celica GT-S. Mine is a GT

damn, psychoticz really gets into this! I have an idea... get off the computer and get laid.
who the F cares about what car will beat what.
psychotic probably drives a ricer honda and hes just upset. or is the z supposed to stand for datsun or some overrated nissan. remember the original question was about a V6 mustang and the V6 eclipse. to finally answer the question, yes, to eclipse owns the mustang, hands down. psycotic- you should spend your friday nights tryin to hook up with the ladies, not in front of your computer with your king size box of Kleenex.

Bwahahaha, I'm getting E-thugged by the V6 Econo-box crew. I *do* drive an Acura, thanks for noticing!

Dude, seriously, how many cars have you guys driven? You really think the new Eclipse is fast? The Eclipse V6 is slow, it's a FWD shit-stain on the whole fucking sports car market. It's a fucking econo-box, you guys should be debating how many grocerys fit in the trunk of your car or how to get your lipstick stain off the dash, not how many Mustangs and Toyota Echo's you can blow the doors off of.. Wow, it can beat a V6 Mustang! My little stock "riced out Honda" hands them their ass... My friend's Daewoo gives Mustangs a run for their money... Props to you guys!

You guys might consider dropping your welfare checks on a different car company, maybe one that's not going into bankruptcy..maybe one that makes a V6 "sports car" that can outrun 4 cylinders. Peace!

we're sorry that our econo box piece of shit car can beat you. you dont have to take it out on us. if our car is so slow, then why does the acura integra (which just happens to be the car that you drive) always lose to a V6 eclipse? looks to me like somebody doesnt have a life. you come over here from you ricer boys forum just to flame us and tell us our car is slow. thats really pathetic man. do you really think we are taking you seriously?

man this guy is nuts, i say we ignore him since he will probably continue with this nonsense. man i cant believe these ricers. no wonder hes name is psychotic, he's that and more.

How many cars have i driven... ive got an '00 GST and a '96 LT4 vette. i would have to say either one would boil any piece of hondarice that shows up at the stop light or strip.The RSX is soooooooo overrated. as are all hondas.

Look dude go back to your rice forum and discuss which trash can makes for a better exhaust. I must admit though, the only shit stain i see is that annoying loud and painfully slow prelude, civic or gsr with the bondo body kit and a giant "race car wing" bolted to the trunk, taching his engine out like hes got something under his hood. some mexican thinkin he's cool, but when the light turns green, the only thing he'll see is my diamond star ass end. Hondaricers put a bad stereotype reputation on the import scene.

enough said.

:iagree: Very nicly put, But I for see this thread being killed by a moderator very soon, if the bikkering continues.

very true adios!

end of story!!

Two Words...


RICERS SUCK


Just had to have my 2 cents in

my tiburon gt is under 30000 and spanks a new eclipse...

wrong try again.. it might beat the 4cyl but not the v6. a friend of mine has the v6 auto. he wont even pull up beside me cause he knows his car is slower than mine

hahaha a tiburon gt spanking a gt eclipse???? i have yet to see that happen. you guys think that a car with 172hp 177torque and 3023 can kick a gts ass? Ill race ya anytime i got a 2000 gt fed spec. 205 hp,205lbs-ft and 3053 lbs. you're only advantage might be if you have a 6speed. wanna race and ill prove you wrong.

i dont see a reason to post the crank horsepower of your car b/c we all know it means jack when comparing cars

i dont see a reason why i couldnt post it. it does help a lot when comparing cars imo so stop being an ass.

im not being an ass, im just saying its irrelavant it post crank hp. it doesnt matter if a car has 1000hp at the crank, if its only putting 200hp to the wheels, the car is still gonna get beat.

my tiburon gt is under 30000 and spanks a new eclipse...


hahaha funniest thing I've seen on here in a while. Dude I want what your smokin if you think a tib can spank a eclipse GT.

And why is your forum id 00EclipseGT when you got a Tib? And why did you waste your money on a Tib?

And why is your forum id 00EclipseGT when you got a Tib?

I was wondering the same thing.

At first I thought maybe he joined a while ago and had an eclipse (and maybe he still does?) and then just got the tib. But he joined this month.

This is bad, but I actually had a dream about an Eclipse and a Tiburon on Saturday night. I dreamt that for some reason I traded in my eclipse for a tiburon while my husband was gone and as soon as I did it I realized what I'd done and got all hysterical and started throwing a fit cause I wanted my baby back, etc. Crazy huh?

hey eclipse4utoo sorry about calling you an ass, i totally misunderstood you man and yea these new tiburon's are nice cars but i think a gt has a pretty good advantage over it. alright sorry about my language and i really think us eclipse owners should stick together and not flame each other. so sorry everyone.

The RSX is soooooooo overrated. as are all hondas.



i disagree to an extent....most are overrated, the civic for example is very overrated, but the new RSX type S (brand new not 2003) are very respectable in the means of acceleration and horsepower, granted, they dont' have nearly the torque to match any eclipse in a pulling contest, but they are respectable... as for econobox....damnit thats why they invented vtec...for eco-sensitive people

hey eclipse4utoo sorry about calling you an ass, i totally misunderstood you man and yea these new tiburon's are nice cars but i think a gt has a pretty good advantage over it. alright sorry about my language and i really think us eclipse owners should stick together and not flame each other. so sorry everyone.

dont worry about it man.
where did the tibby person go?

I'm wondering too, Mr. Tibby seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.

Well, I'm an eclipse owner (2G-GSX) but I have to say, the V6 6speed tib is actually a good match for the GT-GTS. From what I've seen at the street races, Tibs vs GT-GTS is a drivers race. My girl beat a 2004 GTS 3 times in a row becuase he "knew" his car was suppose to be faster and wanted to keep trying. BTW they were both bone stock (she has a V6 6speed). I have the feeling that everyone here is going by the hp/torque rating and thinking that just because the Mitsu has more hp and torque, that its a clear win, when that's definatly not the case. Hell, both cars land around mid to low 15's. Also, she's beaten RSX-S's all the time when those are rated to be faster than both the GTS and the Tib. Those cars are all clearly drivers races and depending on the skill of the driver, could go either way.

ya'lls eclipse drivers suck, or maybe just the drivers over there in general! wasn't hyundai having problems because they claimed way more horspower than they had in the tiburon? i heard there was a lawsuit and everything

BTW nice ride the GSX rocks

yeah they claimed that the car had 190hp and they actually has 171hp. They lied to my girl when she bought it too. Anyways, Our drivers don't suck............... you suck!

J/K but drivers race none the less.

i never look at the rated horsepower and torque when comparing cars. they mean nothing.

I thought Hyundai was using Mitsu motors in their car's. Or am I wrong?

That was a while ago, They even used the 4g63's in some cars (non turbo version).

i saw a 4g63 N/T one time...i kept thinking how it was a shame the intake ran straight to the throttle body and there wasn't hardly any piping....
then again i'm used to seeing all kinds of eclipse turbos :-P

yeah, it's like a sin not running boost in an engine with so much potential.

Those cars are all clearly drivers races and depending on the skill of the driver, could go either way.

i agree wid yea. now how do u define a race, not on the drag, like on the freeway.

i was doing around 105-115 mph on my eclipse 03 GT. and an audi TT was next to me doing about the same speed. im sure if he was really racing (flooring it) id get smoked. but then again wen we got on to a straight away still doing around 110 (both of us) i start to pull away, i can c him slowly move back in my mirror :) i love my eclipse :) its jst hard to go against my friends 2004 1.8T GTI, i was planning on getting that car, but the dealership wouldnt go down to the price i was asking. anyway i still love my eclipse :)

a GTI well what do those things run???

a GTI well what do those things run???

Engine : 4 cylinder, turbocharged, DOHC, front engine FWD
Displacement : 1,781 cc
Valve : 20 valves, 5 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 5-spd manual, 5-spd automanual,
Fuel economy : city - 22-24 mpg
highway - 29-31 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Semi-independent torsion beam axle
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Solid discs

Horsepower : 180 hp @ 5500 rpm
Torque : 173 lb-ft @ 1950 rpm
Redline : 6700 rpm

Top speed : 140 mph(estimated)
0-60 mph : 6.5 sec. (manual), 7.2 sec.(auto)
0-¼ mile : 15.3 sec @ 94.0 mph
60-0 braking distance : 131 ft.
200 ft skidpad : 0.82 g

Curb Weight : 2932-3051 lbs
Overall length : 164.9 in.
Wheelbase : 98.9 in.
Overall Width : 68.3 in.
Height : 56.7 in.

his car is auto (like mine) but wen we r on the freeway he tends to pull away cause of his turbo and how light his car is. even tho he has less HP.

light?? doesnt a gt weigh 3053 lbs??? i know mine does.