Just some stuff I hate..

-People who drink on Wednesday's
-Mature students (25+) at Uni who feel the need to give a wise-ass answer to every question
-60 year olds who go to Uni and try to do a law degree and only end up taking other peoples places.
-Hippies, yup there's tons of them in this Bohemian crap-hole (Well by Bohemian craphole I mean Cuba St, not the rest of Wellington, not that I live in Cuba St, I just hate it.)
-Fat people. Not a physical thing, but just the attitude that seems to go with being fat.
-Maori activism. Get over it, you handed sovereignity over to Britain, get over it and stop bitching and wanting 30 places reserved for you in second year law.
-As a matter of fact I hate any policy that benefits one particular race and I hate the people that call politicians who say they'll take them a away racist.
-Anyone who thinks Auckland is great. It's not.
-As a matter of fact I hate everything, especially you.


That's me pissed off, thanks for reading. Not that many would have bothered.

That time of the month....

If the Maori's wanna take my land, I want 40 pigs and 20 muskets for it.

Why does an 18 year old have more right to study and education than a 60 year old? I thought you didn't like discrimination.

The Standard law course with Barr exams is 5 years. Enter at 60 and you'll be 65 when you leave. 65 is the age most retire, so what is the point of studying if you should be thinking about dying.

Now us 18 year olds on the other hand. Not only ARE we the future, we actually have an immediate future that doesn't involve crapping ourself non-stop, dying from old age or driving 40 km/h down the motorway in a Daihatsu.

I'd rather get my law from someone who has expeienced a little of life first,thanks.

Hey now, leave the fat people alone.

I agree on Cuba. We should do some anti communist missions down there :p

I'd rather get my law from someone who has expeienced a little of life first,thanks.
Yes...... If we let only old people get law degrees, now there's a great way to make the economy even more inefficient. It's crap, if they wanted to be a lawyer they should have thought about it 40 years ago. Stop living in the past.

Rhys- You escape my fat-people hate by not having the attitude, besides you've lost a bit, but that's unimportant. Wellingon vices overnight Cuba St. burning is far more important.

When are you back In Country (so to speak)?

We can do some Drive By Capitalism.

I am back as we speak, typing from the head office.

Oh NICE. I took some surveillence photos of Weir a few weeks back. I was nearly rumbled but got some OK pics. Need more though, of the other side of the building. I'll relate the story of my surviellence in the morning. It's an awesome story.

[QUOTE=Moss1O6GTi]-People who drink on Wednesday's[QUOTE]

I drink because it is wednesday, speaking of which its wednesday.

I only drink on Wednesday in the morning. Does that count?

The Standard law course with Barr exams is 5 years. Enter at 60 and you'll be 65 when you leave. 65 is the age most retire, so what is the point of studying if you should be thinking about dying.

Now us 18 year olds on the other hand. Not only ARE we the future, we actually have an immediate future that doesn't involve crapping ourself non-stop, dying from old age or driving 40 km/h down the motorway in a Daihatsu.
You short sighted, narrow minded twit.

Beleive it or not, there are many people who study for reasons other than employment.

You short sighted, narrow minded twit.

Beleive it or not, there are many people who study for reasons other than employment.



Like what? What good could a law degree be if you aren't practicing law? If you're just studying for fun then you're wasting everybodies time.


Oh and name calling, very mature.

No, not name calling. A judgement about your stance on this issue.

Why shouldn't people study because they enjoy it and it betters themselves? How is it a waste of time?

Okay, heres the story of how I was nearly rumbled.

I was at a reception at the Russian Embassy http://russianembassy.org/embassy_front.gif trying to get our agent, codenamed TITS, to come out from the cold and defect, since the KGB was onto her.

As I was just about to put the question to her ("Coatroom or Restroom, baby?"), my secret pager hidden in a banana went off. Peeling it away, I saw that I had been reassigned.

I kissed TITS goodbye one last time, and went to leave.

But whats this! Some Russian KGB thugs were coming straight for me! My cover was blown! http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bratach/october%202000/heavies.jpg

Running to the roof, the thugs kept up, their
kilts flapping in the wind. Nearly blinded by the sight of their hairy balls, and now on the roof, I had no choice but to get the flock out of there.

http://yuchtar.users4.50megs.com/Gallery/Pierce_Bond.jpg

"So long, Ivan!" I said as I lept off the roof. It was at this point that my collapsable boat folded into the full size version. I splashed into the nearby river, barely missing the river patrols.
http://www.classicglastron.com/james-bond-jump-100dpi.JPG

I then drove to Weir House in my Aston Martin, which was waiting for on the river bank. I still had to evade some patrols, though. Easy enough. http://www.childrens-express.org/gifs/photo_007_astonmartin.jpg


I arrived at Weir House. I took some photos. People saw me and looked at me funny. I left.

In the Aston.

The End.

I no expert in espionage(sp) But since when does the kgb employ irishmen in kilts or russians who wear them, or why were they allowed to be at a party at an embassy in them? Or since when does a secret agent run from some F@cking soviets??? Zebra your story is all full of holes, i'm pulling out the bullshit flag.

The Embassy was in Wellington, at a reception for the British High Commissioner, who is Scots.

There :p

No, not name calling. A judgement about your stance on this issue.

Why shouldn't people study because they enjoy it and it betters themselves? How is it a waste of time?
While I couldn't give any less of a shit about how the old people are spending thier money, it is a wasted investment on thier part "Oh yeah, I'm getting my degree so I can't use it, but still can flaunt it in front of everyone at the funeral of my next friend who dies of old age." That's honestly all they can do with it, there is not one employer who would look at a 65 year old with 0 years experience in law and hire them, if there is one I'll run through Kings Cross naked with a sign saying "stick it right here" over my butthole.

Now to the question in your post. They are fully allowed to study, there is no law against it (Even though there should be), but they are only taking the place of someone far more capable of working in the industry and who actually wants to. If they enjoy studying, buy some books on the subject there is a massive fuck-off shelf of law texts in Whitcoulls on Lambton Quay, it's far more sensible than taking someones place in classes for a degree you won't have any use for.

True story- I was walking through the law school today after signing up for my tutorial for my Case Law paper and was following this one lady (about 60-odd) who is in my Statute law lecture. She was near immobile, just couldn't walk for shit and appeared to be talking to herself and she smelt funny and I had to follow her through the second largest wooden building in the world at like .00000000000000000000000005 km/h. Needless to say she drove off in a Daihatsu Charade.

You still fail to understand. The following equation determines value:
Value = Benefits - Costs

If someone is going to:
1. Have enough money that a law degree seems inexpensive, or
2. Derive a great(er) amount of benefits from studying it;
then they are going to derive a proportionally higher value from the study.

The means justifying the ends is entirely subjective in this case. And you have absolutely no right, nor anyone else, to deprive them of their right to study whatever they choose providing they meet the relevant criteria, based on your perception of what their usefulness may or may not be once they have have finished.

So build a fucking bridge and get over it.

You still fail to understand. The following equation determines value:
Value = Benefits - Costs

If someone is going to:
1. Have enough money that a law degree seems inexpensive, or
2. Derive a great(er) amount of benefits from studying it;
then they are going to derive a proportionally higher value from the study.

The means justifying the ends is entirely subjective in this case. And you have absolutely no right, nor anyone else, to deprive them of their right to study whatever they choose providing they meet the relevant criteria, based on your perception of what their usefulness may or may not be once they have have finished.

So build a fucking bridge and get over it.
*Yawn* If tertiary institutions wanted people to sit in thier classes and wank over learning and then die a few years later, then they would have made all the courses 100% theoretical, but thier not- they are as best applied to the work force as you can make them.

Basically they had thier chance they blew it, they should just let everyone else have thier chance and spend thier pension on books at Whitcoulls, that's all I'm trying to say, for the good of society- nothing else.

How is society at a disadvantage by having a highly educated general population?

Thank Christ you're not in a position of power. So short sighted.

How is society at a disadvantage by having a highly educated general population?

Thank Christ you're not in a position of power. So short sighted.
For now...


Society is better off with a more educated population. BUT what good is a person to society if they never got to apply thier education to society?

Think about it, you are 20, you go to law school get a degree, then once you leave you go straight on the dole and snort P for the rest of your life- are you contributing? Nope, that's what these old people are more or less going to do- they'll work as a Street-sweeper or Newspaper salesperson for 40 years and then decide to go to Uni and get a law degree, you leave and go on superannuation. HOW is that different?

Education is only good for society if you are USING it. It's fuck all use having it otherwise.

How do you know they are not going to use it. A 65 year old with a Law Degree is going to have time and money for pursuits benefitting society such as local councilers, Chambers of Commerce than some 20yo w@nker.

Once again, because you can't see it as useful doesn't make it not useful.

Clearly none are going to use it for the Chambers of Commerce, because I'm doing a BCA on top of my LLb, I've yet to see a person over 40 in my Commerce classes (Accounting, FCOM and Economics are core subjects and I don't see any in either). If anyone got into the Chambers of commerce without a BCA/BCom, I'd emigrate (Sooner than what I already am, anyway).

A 65 year old doesn't have TIME, they are not long for this world, as a matter of fact the avg life expectancy is 78 or so, meaning they ould give 13 years of contributions. A 23 (My estimated age at graduation) year old can give 65 years of service (More due to the lengthening life expectancies). So who will be of more use.


And what does money have to do with it? I don't have much of a student loan, don't pay board (Reward for passing Bursary), I don't even splurge on many luxuries (I am efficient)- But then again in the real world, how much money I have doesn't matter when I get my first law job, does it? So don't play such a ghey drawcard.

Clearly none are going to use it for the Chambers of Commerce, because I'm doing a BCA on top of my LLb, I've yet to see a person over 40 in my Commerce classes (Accounting, FCOM and Economics are core subjects and I don't see any in either). If anyone got into the Chambers of commerce without a BCA/BCom, I'd emigrate (Sooner than what I already am, anyway).

Clearly none of them are going to use it for that because there's none in your class. All the important people are in your class, aren't they? There's no other classes offered, or other tertiary institutions available, really, are there? :rolleyes:

To clarify: by Chamber Of Commerce, I meant organisations in local areas as they are in Australia that have an interest in that specific areas business(s).


A 65 year old doesn't have TIME, they are not long for this world, as a matter of fact the avg life expectancy is 78 or so, meaning they ould give 13 years of contributions. A 23 (My estimated age at graduation) year old can give 65 years of service (More due to the lengthening life expectancies). So who will be of more use.

Of course they don't have time! I keep forgetting you know every 65 year old studying at a tertiary level on the planet. Plus, at that age they have siginificantly more life experience than the supposedly 'useful' 23 year old.

Oh, and I keep forgetting your great knowledge of the usefullness of people of retiree age. Obviously learned whilst studying, instead of petty spouting off about irrelevant crap.

Who will be of more use? Again, entirely subjective so I will refrain from answering, but most people can probably work out who I think will be more useful from the tone of my post.



And what does money have to do with it? I don't have a student loan (Trust fund), don't pay board (Reward for passing Bursary), I don't even splurge on many luxuries (I am efficient)- But then again in the real world, how much money I have doesn't matter when I get my first law job, does it? So don't play such a ghey drawcard.

What does money have to do with it? People of the age we are referring to (over 60) tend to have more money accumulated than the other people in our frame of reference (around 23), and can spend it however they choose (this applies only to a user pays system).

As for playing ghey drawcards, it seems like you have the royal flush.

Clearly none of them are going to use it for that because there's none in your class. All the important people are in your class, aren't they? There's no other classes offered, or other tertiary institutions available, really, are there? :rolleyes:

To clarify: by Chamber Of Commerce, I meant organisations in local areas as they are in Australia that have an interest in that specific areas business(s).

It's a fact- ACCY111, FCOM110 and ECON130 are all core subjects, I haven't seen any in those classes. If they're not in them, then thier not doing the degree, simple as that.

But other tertiary institutions, c'mon... "Allright, I've got law at 11:00 in the old Government buildings, I'll have to get to Palmerston North/Christchurch/Hamilton/Dunedin/Auckland before 1:00 to make Accounting" As you can see that clearly doesn't work.


Of course they don't have time! I keep forgetting you know every 65 year old studying at a tertiary level on the planet. Plus, at that age they have siginificantly more life experience than the supposedly 'useful' 23 year old.

Oh, and I keep forgetting your great knowledge of the usefullness of people of retiree age. Obviously learned whilst studying, instead of petty spouting off about irrelevant crap.

Who will be of more use? Again, entirely subjective so I will refrain from answering, but most people can probably work out who I think will be more useful from the tone of my post.

You must have misread my "They don't have time comment"- I meant that they don't have much time left on the planet- 13 years on Average, so let's compare them to a 23 year old, in 20 years- the 23 year old will be 43 and have had 20 years experience in the industry. The 65 year old would most likely either dead or incapable of working.

Life experience.... That's a cop out, it's worthless in this day and age for anything but memories of the way we were, this country is unrecognisable from the New Zealand of 1979, back when they played God save the queen at the movies and the economy was protected like the queen. They do however seem to think it counts for something, that's the only way to expain the retarded answers they give in lectures to questions no-one ever asked.

So who's the more useful? The 40 year old with 20 years experience in what they're doing or a dead person?




What does money have to do with it? People of the age we are referring to (over 60) tend to have more money accumulated than the other people in our frame of reference (around 23), and can spend it however they choose (this applies only to a user pays system).

As for playing ghey drawcards, it seems like you have the royal flush.

But you can't buy your way into your first job in the industry, simple as that, money counts for nothing in your first job.

Good to see the browsers fixed, Jared *Removes old post*

I told you what I thought about them, but I don't want to get involved in this argument

Having left Uni in 1996, I do wonder what has become of most of the oldie students who were in my class, I'd say most of them would be as old as my Grandmother. Oh well I can only wonder.

It's a fact- ACCY111, FCOM110 and ECON130 are all core subjects, I haven't seen any in those classes. If they're not in them, then thier not doing the degree, simple as that.

But other tertiary institutions, c'mon... "Allright, I've got law at 11:00 in the old Government buildings, I'll have to get to Palmerston North/Christchurch/Hamilton/Dunedin/Auckland before 1:00 to make Accounting" As you can see that clearly doesn't work.

No, I meant those studying entire degrees at institutions other than the one you currently study at. Of course that rediculous scenario doesn't work.


You must have misread my "They don't have time comment"- I meant that they don't have much time left on the planet- 13 years on Average, so let's compare them to a 23 year old, in 20 years- the 23 year old will be 43 and have had 20 years experience in the industry. The 65 year old would most likely either dead or incapable of working.

Once again, how the fuck would you know? If you don't think someone can have an impact in 4 years, let alone 13, look at George W Bush + family. NUff said.


Life experience.... That's a cop out, it's worthless in this day and age for anything but memories of the way we were, this country is unrecognisable from the New Zealand of 1979, back when they played God save the queen at the movies and the economy was protected like the queen. They do however seem to think it counts for something, that's the only way to expain the retarded answers they give in lectures to questions no-one ever asked.

Life experience obviously counts for more than you think because I can't imagine having this narrow minded, short sighted disrespectful argument with anyone over 30.

Just out of interest, where does most of your learning and information come from? People older or younger?


So who's the more useful? The 40 year old with 20 years experience in what they're doing or a dead person?


Stop assuming they will be dead. Your argument and logic is flawed.




But you can't buy your way into your first job in the industry, simple as that, money counts for nothing in your first job.
Once again, who said they were going for a job in the industry?

moss, its reasoning like yours that got hitler into so much trouble. I enjoy the older people that I go to school with. I hate it when people saying that there going to school is pointless. Who are you to judge? And for you to call law an industry :nono: Lawyers produce alright. They produce lawsuits, which are sometimes good but have a tendency to decrease productivity. You, my friend, need to loosen up.

My next-door neighbour is in his late 60's and does a BA/LLb conjoint. After selling both his businesses last year, he will never have to work for a living. So he chose to spend his retirement doing something that interests him. I really fail to see what the problem is with this.
You say that older people studying doesnt benefit society. There are a few things wrong with this statement. Firstly you are forgetting that they have been doing that for the past 40+ years. Secondly it's hypocritical for you to blame them when you yourself plan to move to another country. Yeah, I can see you being a lawyer in England/ France/Timbuctoo would benefit the NZ society a whole lot.
People who have lived a full life should be allowed to spend their retirement how they want to.

Another thing is, typically people who blame old people/asians/international students for taking up spaces in Uni simply do this because they are not man enough to balme themselves for their own failures. I know a guy who to this day blames Asians for him not being able to get into BE, because he only got 293 in Bursary (the requirement is 300). His reasoning is if there werent so many international students in the country there wont be as much competition and entry requirements would be lower.
Whereas if he actually studied for his exams instead of getting pissed at the bar he might have passed and got in.

No, I meant those studying entire degrees at institutions other than the one you currently study at. Of course that rediculous scenario doesn't work.
Couldn't care less about the other cities. Any old person who studies in Dunedin is asking for trouble, Christchurch and Hamilton are holes and I don't care what people do in them and Auckland isn't a part of New Zealand IMHO- it's a massive concrete dump.

Once again, how the fuck would you know? If you don't think someone can have an impact in 4 years, let alone 13, look at George W Bush + family. NUff said.
Because George Bush Sr. and sons decided they would go to Uni at 65..... Sorry, but Dubya was the Governor of Texas and other things before he became President, he didn't get where he was overnight.

Life experience obviously counts for more than you think because I can't imagine having this narrow minded, short sighted disrespectful argument with anyone over 30.

Just out of interest, where does most of your learning and information come from? People older or younger?
Well, the Lecturers at Uni are usually about late-30's to early 60's, but have usually been doing what they have been doing for years, my teachers at school weren't very old, my Parents are almost 50, I learnt a lot from them. But the common connection is that the older the person here, the more experienced they are in one particular field, because they worked in it for years, they went to Uni at a similar time I did (Give or take a few years). These mature students have entered the field too late, when you look at it.



Stop assuming they will be dead. Your argument and logic is flawed.
What's wrong with that? I'm saying on average they will be dead in 20 years, the average life expectancy is 78, so that's a fair assumption, yeah?

My next-door neighbour is in his late 60's and does a BA/LLb conjoint. After selling both his businesses last year, he will never have to work for a living. So he chose to spend his retirement doing something that interests him. I really fail to see what the problem is with this.
You say that older people studying doesnt benefit society. There are a few things wrong with this statement. Firstly you are forgetting that they have been doing that for the past 40+ years. Secondly it's hypocritical for you to blame them when you yourself plan to move to another country. Yeah, I can see you being a lawyer in England/ France/Timbuctoo would benefit the NZ society a whole lot.
People who have lived a full life should be allowed to spend their retirement how they want to.
They did benefit society, they did it well (Probably), they should just realise that life is a cycle, they do thier bit until they no longer can/want to (Usually because they got enough moola from it), they retire/relax and let the younger ones do what they did 40 years ago. I'm only buggering off overseas for a few years for my OE anyway, every NZer has to do it, this country is isolated and dull and if I do stay overseas for a while I will be back with more money. More spending=better economy. Either way I will be back, whichever of the two career paths I walk down (Accounting or Law), I will make my contribution, but I am entitled to something a little different from what I normally do, if you ask me.



Another thing is, typically people who blame old people/asians/international students for taking up spaces in Uni simply do this because they are not man enough to balme themselves for their own failures. I know a guy who to this day blames Asians for him not being able to get into BE, because he only got 293 in Bursary (the requirement is 300). His reasoning is if there werent so many international students in the country there wont be as much competition and entry requirements would be lower.
Whereas if he actually studied for his exams instead of getting pissed at the bar he might have passed and got in.

I do work hard, I do pass, I most likely will get through to second year law etc, but I just don't think that older generations should be at something that is aiming to train a future work force (That's why Uni's were made), if they're not going to be a part of it, what ever country they live in (This is why I don't mind International students, they have a practical purpose to be at Uni).

Anyway, I'm less pissed off now after a few better nights sleep and managing to re-settle in, I still stand by a fair of what I said (maybe not as strongly as what I came across), but clearly nobody is going to change anybodies feelings, so I say we close this thread and then go and drink beer until we can't feel feelings anymore... I know I will (and Oz already has!) :naughty:

But my views are more or less those of not understanding why someone does something, than hate.


Sorry if I did offend anyone. ;)

Rhys- If only you'd had my Intel.... Wellington Vice must operate as a Unit, not an agent ;)

Anyway, I'm less pissed off now after a few better nights sleep and managing to re-settle in, I still stand by a fair of what I said (maybe not as strongly as what I came across), but clearly nobody is going to change anybodies feelings, so I say we close this thread and then go and drink beer until we can't feel feelings anymore... I know I will (and Oz already has!) :naughty:

But my views are more or less those of not understanding why someone does something, than hate.


Sorry if I did offend anyone. ;)

Rhys- If only you'd had my Intel.... Wellington Vice must operate as a Unit, not an agent ;)
LOL!!!!! So it WAS that time of the month!!!!!! :p


j/k. Patch everything up and drink!

I'll close this thread.