School loans suck!
hatchbacksi
07-14-2004, 03:17 AM
this is just me venting, but oh well...
i am graduating college in 4-5 weeks (finally) and i am looking forward to the real world where i dream of having a great job, making lots of money and fixing up my car the way ive always wanted to.
Reality check..i owe $26,000 in loans (which i guess is not that much...it was only two years) but still...it means my 93 hatch with be like 15-16 years old when i finally get my loans payed off and can start working on it....
i may as well just forget the civic, and buy a used 2004 Accord Coupe V6 (by then on 04 will be a few years old)
im tired, so im probably not making sense.....
gooodnight
i am graduating college in 4-5 weeks (finally) and i am looking forward to the real world where i dream of having a great job, making lots of money and fixing up my car the way ive always wanted to.
Reality check..i owe $26,000 in loans (which i guess is not that much...it was only two years) but still...it means my 93 hatch with be like 15-16 years old when i finally get my loans payed off and can start working on it....
i may as well just forget the civic, and buy a used 2004 Accord Coupe V6 (by then on 04 will be a few years old)
im tired, so im probably not making sense.....
gooodnight
apexigod
07-14-2004, 03:22 AM
I have a solution for you, if your willing to work hard.
there is this company, who (for $49.99) and 7 day shipping will allow you to assemble tiny little christmas ornaments, and they are VERY simple to do with a glue gun, or if you can do fiber.
you do it from home, they ship you products...you get $37.50 for every 50 peices (1 unit) that you make, and its a really good program.
that might allow you to pay off some of your debt a little faster, you could easily do an extra $250-$450 a week....depends on what you want to do...you might divide it in half and save for a car, or for a trade to a 6th gen civic or something like that.
You could totally build those things while watching tv, playing video games...they can fit in the palm of your hand, they are so small.
if you'd like to know about it, contact me....I might could help you.
there is this company, who (for $49.99) and 7 day shipping will allow you to assemble tiny little christmas ornaments, and they are VERY simple to do with a glue gun, or if you can do fiber.
you do it from home, they ship you products...you get $37.50 for every 50 peices (1 unit) that you make, and its a really good program.
that might allow you to pay off some of your debt a little faster, you could easily do an extra $250-$450 a week....depends on what you want to do...you might divide it in half and save for a car, or for a trade to a 6th gen civic or something like that.
You could totally build those things while watching tv, playing video games...they can fit in the palm of your hand, they are so small.
if you'd like to know about it, contact me....I might could help you.
damasta
07-14-2004, 04:37 AM
could you tell me where that place is please help me I have a 97 civic hx red color with only one change in it "A cd player" now that isnt the best thing in the world I know that, but I want to buy like maybe some better speakers and maybe a bodykit that will then be a little better and with some 17's that would be perfect. i'm only 15 and like 8 months, but dont say that i'm too young to have a car right now because until i'm done with my car it would take maybe 2 years to pput better speakers, wheels, and bodykit. I gotta pay everything except gas after getting the car just for free from my dad. and also its not a POS it's actually almost new I will put some pics on the site later. Well Thanks and please tell me that website because I can get my mom to buy it for me and i'll do that program 24hrs a day frr as long as I can. again PLEASE.
apexigod
07-14-2004, 06:01 AM
http://www.magicalgift.com
pick your project from the project list
call the place, pay them
have it shipped to you in 7 days
follow it, build your 3 samples
once your approved, you can
get as many projects are you
want, and if you can make 100 a day
everyday, you'll quickly make some
awesome money
if you PM me, I'll give you a few more
tips and tricks to help you with your car.
pick your project from the project list
call the place, pay them
have it shipped to you in 7 days
follow it, build your 3 samples
once your approved, you can
get as many projects are you
want, and if you can make 100 a day
everyday, you'll quickly make some
awesome money
if you PM me, I'll give you a few more
tips and tricks to help you with your car.
megaman277
07-14-2004, 08:21 AM
school does suck...loans suck...in the end, life sucks, thats why we race!!! :disappoin
Kafziel
07-14-2004, 10:05 AM
GI Bill, baby! No loans!
(Cost 4 years of my life, but...)
(Cost 4 years of my life, but...)
exman98
07-14-2004, 10:30 AM
I know plenty of peolpe in the military that have nice cars that they can take to the track and still go to college.
thats what i might just do
thats what i might just do
Ace$nyper
07-14-2004, 10:33 AM
stock market thank you again!
and they say were in a ression pfft.
bummer about that yes though i think its wise to step a way from a project if you can't afford it other wise you might be temped and fuck up credit rating and thats a bad thing
and they say were in a ression pfft.
bummer about that yes though i think its wise to step a way from a project if you can't afford it other wise you might be temped and fuck up credit rating and thats a bad thing
T-Racer
07-14-2004, 11:34 AM
school loans do indeed suck, but..
im only 16 and bought my car recently, been saving for quite a while, and even had to get 2k from my uncle to buy it. but i have a part time job that is paying me quite good and will end up giving me lots of money in a years time that i can do alot to my car with. before i go to college im gonna take a year off and work my @$$ off then go to college with the money i have saved. by then my car should kick, just with my part time job. anywase that's what i plan on doing untill college comes.
im only 16 and bought my car recently, been saving for quite a while, and even had to get 2k from my uncle to buy it. but i have a part time job that is paying me quite good and will end up giving me lots of money in a years time that i can do alot to my car with. before i go to college im gonna take a year off and work my @$$ off then go to college with the money i have saved. by then my car should kick, just with my part time job. anywase that's what i plan on doing untill college comes.
Kafziel
07-14-2004, 11:45 AM
exman, I hope you're kidding about the military... I saw guys get killed - and one guy kill himself - because they joined for college money or because they were bored or some such thing and weren't prepared for the consequences. Don't do it for a car, for Christ's sake. I should have been more clear before. The GI Bill is okay, but it's just a benefit, not a reason to join. It will never make up for all the bullshit I went through to get this far.
Sorry to take the thread off track, but it didn't have all that much track to begin with anyway.
Sorry to take the thread off track, but it didn't have all that much track to begin with anyway.
emerge
07-14-2004, 12:08 PM
wow. i thought the ornament thingie was a joke, and then someone linked to the site. I guess it's not a bad idea actually. My question is, how are the financing options on the loan? Maybe you can work something out? Fact is, it's not the end of the world. Go thru your options and work something out. I promise it's still possible to modify your car.
Miataracer
07-14-2004, 12:15 PM
school loans do indeed suck, but..
im only 16 and bought my car recently, been saving for quite a while, and even had to get 2k from my uncle to buy it. but i have a part time job that is paying me quite good and will end up giving me lots of money in a years time that i can do alot to my car with. before i go to college im gonna take a year off and work my @$$ off then go to college with the money i have saved. by then my car should kick, just with my part time job. anywase that's what i plan on doing untill college comes.
you are going to take a year off school to get money to work on a car?
better take another look at what is important in life and find out that a car that kicks is rather low on the list
im only 16 and bought my car recently, been saving for quite a while, and even had to get 2k from my uncle to buy it. but i have a part time job that is paying me quite good and will end up giving me lots of money in a years time that i can do alot to my car with. before i go to college im gonna take a year off and work my @$$ off then go to college with the money i have saved. by then my car should kick, just with my part time job. anywase that's what i plan on doing untill college comes.
you are going to take a year off school to get money to work on a car?
better take another look at what is important in life and find out that a car that kicks is rather low on the list
Kafziel
07-14-2004, 12:56 PM
Damn straight.
A car is the means to get from home to school to work and back again. Anything else you do to it is secondary to that, and if you give up important things in your life just to have a twelve-second Civic, you'll regret it.
I drive a pretty nice car, compared to most of my friends at least, but it was just something I picked up on my way through real life. My mods were a way to kill time on the weekends. I fucking LOVE street racing, but it's not my life. And I know that at any time I could wreck and watch all those hours of work get turned into scrap metal. I'd be bummed, but I could walk away from that with no regrets, because in the end it's just a car. Most of you younger guys will realize this stuff pretty damn quick after high school.
I hope.
A car is the means to get from home to school to work and back again. Anything else you do to it is secondary to that, and if you give up important things in your life just to have a twelve-second Civic, you'll regret it.
I drive a pretty nice car, compared to most of my friends at least, but it was just something I picked up on my way through real life. My mods were a way to kill time on the weekends. I fucking LOVE street racing, but it's not my life. And I know that at any time I could wreck and watch all those hours of work get turned into scrap metal. I'd be bummed, but I could walk away from that with no regrets, because in the end it's just a car. Most of you younger guys will realize this stuff pretty damn quick after high school.
I hope.
Beastiek2
07-14-2004, 01:22 PM
I took a year off to build my first car. It was fun you only live once. But it is harder getting back in the groove of school. But when ur done the money flows like wine!! oh and i am in debt up to my ears with school loans but thats part of life so i deal.
cas4067
07-15-2004, 08:07 AM
you are going to take a year off school to get money to work on a car?
better take another look at what is important in life and find out that a car that kicks is rather low on the list
I agree don't take any time off just for a car. I personaly just graduated from college last year and now all the bills are catching up with me like the school loans and the all the other bills because I just bought a house. But I tell you what I still better off then some of my friends. I have one friend who had to take a year of school to catch up with his bills because he bought a brand new car and my other friend is about to claim bankrupcy because he bought a new car too and charged up a bunch of stuff on his credit cards for aftermarket parts. I instead saved my money bought a wrecked 96 civic and I fixed it all up, and I tell you I got the nices car between all my friends (except my one buddy got a 04 cobra it's nice but joined the army to make payments on it) And the nicest thing about my car is its nice and its all PAYED for..
better take another look at what is important in life and find out that a car that kicks is rather low on the list
I agree don't take any time off just for a car. I personaly just graduated from college last year and now all the bills are catching up with me like the school loans and the all the other bills because I just bought a house. But I tell you what I still better off then some of my friends. I have one friend who had to take a year of school to catch up with his bills because he bought a brand new car and my other friend is about to claim bankrupcy because he bought a new car too and charged up a bunch of stuff on his credit cards for aftermarket parts. I instead saved my money bought a wrecked 96 civic and I fixed it all up, and I tell you I got the nices car between all my friends (except my one buddy got a 04 cobra it's nice but joined the army to make payments on it) And the nicest thing about my car is its nice and its all PAYED for..
exman98
07-15-2004, 08:56 AM
you wont be able to go back to school after taking a year off. sounds like a great idea but if your parents have medical insurance through work you wont be able to get it anymore and a lot of other crap. thats just one reason. the biggest reason, you wouldn't be able to get your lazzy ass up and actually go
i might actually go to the military but a car would be the last reason a go.
lets see i have two brothers, one in the marines(might go to iraq in 7 monthes/22years old)
another in the ohio army national guard (has been in iraq/ kuwait for almost 2 years and is currently spending time on to of a hummer doing convoy security through baghad/ just turned 21)
and my dad has also been a cop for 23 years.
I love America
just a little backround information for yall
vote Bush
i might actually go to the military but a car would be the last reason a go.
lets see i have two brothers, one in the marines(might go to iraq in 7 monthes/22years old)
another in the ohio army national guard (has been in iraq/ kuwait for almost 2 years and is currently spending time on to of a hummer doing convoy security through baghad/ just turned 21)
and my dad has also been a cop for 23 years.
I love America
just a little backround information for yall
vote Bush
T-Racer
07-15-2004, 10:00 AM
no no no, i didn't mean it like that.
im going to take a year off, and save for college, and then i probably have a few extra bucks to work on my car during the summer. but once i have some money saved up for college, is when ill be blowing my money on my car. sorry about all the confusion.
im going to take a year off, and save for college, and then i probably have a few extra bucks to work on my car during the summer. but once i have some money saved up for college, is when ill be blowing my money on my car. sorry about all the confusion.
Kafziel
07-15-2004, 10:36 AM
Exman, as long as you have better reasons than a car, which it seems you do, then that's cool. Despite all the hard times (or maybe because of them) the Marine Corps was one of the best things I've ever done with my life. Just think everything through and do the right thing. Good luck.
Oh, and I won't be voting for Bush again, LOL
Oh, and I won't be voting for Bush again, LOL
exman98
07-15-2004, 03:08 PM
t racer
your plan sounds like a great idea but u will probably realize it wont work the closer u get there
vote bush
your plan sounds like a great idea but u will probably realize it wont work the closer u get there
vote bush
XixGenuinexiX
07-15-2004, 03:10 PM
I'm tired of everyone blaming shit on Bush, when you know damn well you couldn't do any better as president. Funny how when 9/11 happened everyone wanted to go to war, and we had such pride in the U.S. of A. But soon as we begin fighting a war, and people die, which should be common sense. People bitch and moan, i mean for christ sakes i'm 16, and i understand the effects of war. Don't sit here and whine about it if you don't support our troops. It would also be pointless to pull out of war, this late into it we would have wasted millions upon millions of dollars and American lives for no reason.
That's my daily rant for today.
That's my daily rant for today.
Beastiek2
07-15-2004, 03:29 PM
Lets not talk about this bulsh*t in a this forum.
That will create a war here I am sure.
That will create a war here I am sure.
Ace$nyper
07-15-2004, 03:40 PM
Lets not talk about this bulsh*t in a this forum.
That will create a war here I am sure.
odd your post #666 was one trying to help the fourms not some devil possecesed rant?
wait what?
All i know i'm going to have my college covered and its a good thing :evillol:
That will create a war here I am sure.
odd your post #666 was one trying to help the fourms not some devil possecesed rant?
wait what?
All i know i'm going to have my college covered and its a good thing :evillol:
exman98
07-15-2004, 08:05 PM
i can only hope college doesn't put me in the hole to much.
vote bush
vote bush
hatchbacksi
07-15-2004, 08:25 PM
i had no idea this would come close to being turned into a pro-bush forum...
but since someone else started it, i just want to ask the people who vote for bush and support him, how they could do so?
There never was any link between al-quaida and sadaam. There never were weapons. Saddam posed no threat to the USA. How can you support a man that goes to war based on lies?
Now dont get me wrong. I agree with having a powerful military, and if someone comes wanting to attack us, then we should fight back. What pisses me off though, is that the iraq war was not justified. He had to lie about it to get us to support it. Thats what i have a problem with. Tons of americans and iraqi civilians dying based on lies!!!!!!
Oh....and to keep this related to cars....marine recruiters always were like, man you got a nice car, you could get some money, join the marines and have a sick ass car....
but what the hell good is a nice car if my bodies blown to bits in the sand???
but since someone else started it, i just want to ask the people who vote for bush and support him, how they could do so?
There never was any link between al-quaida and sadaam. There never were weapons. Saddam posed no threat to the USA. How can you support a man that goes to war based on lies?
Now dont get me wrong. I agree with having a powerful military, and if someone comes wanting to attack us, then we should fight back. What pisses me off though, is that the iraq war was not justified. He had to lie about it to get us to support it. Thats what i have a problem with. Tons of americans and iraqi civilians dying based on lies!!!!!!
Oh....and to keep this related to cars....marine recruiters always were like, man you got a nice car, you could get some money, join the marines and have a sick ass car....
but what the hell good is a nice car if my bodies blown to bits in the sand???
exman98
07-15-2004, 09:40 PM
it is sad that people are so very little minded. but thats ok. you actually dont think that saddam never had weapons. there is a big desert out there. at the very firts idea there they might have got cought they moved them. but if you wait till closer to the elections you will see that we have found weapons and we are waiting to releas them. and i sure hope those dune coons dont try to pull some silly shit befor the elections. and even if you dont like bush. i sure as hell wouldn't vote for Kerry out of spite. that would be silly
vote bush
the rest of the republican party have ditched bush any way
and to make this relate to cars, kerry will cut the millitary budget and then the millitary people that make this country strong will not have good cars and will no longer beleive in the cause. it will laed to the down fall of america
and the world is better without saddam in power.
if you would like me to keep going i will but for now i will stop due to this is a car forum
sorry to every one els
vote bush
the rest of the republican party have ditched bush any way
and to make this relate to cars, kerry will cut the millitary budget and then the millitary people that make this country strong will not have good cars and will no longer beleive in the cause. it will laed to the down fall of america
and the world is better without saddam in power.
if you would like me to keep going i will but for now i will stop due to this is a car forum
sorry to every one els
Kafziel
07-16-2004, 09:35 AM
I used to feel the same way as you guys, when I was younger. I used to spout off about how we should go out and kick the shit out of anyone who fucked with us. Well let me save you some embarrassment and disappointment: it doesn't work that way. It was fine for fighting Nazis, and it was fine for getting the Iraqis to pull out of Kuwait, but brute force has never beaten terrorism, and it never will. The best you can ever hope for is constant war with no end in sight. Israel has been fighting Palestinian terrorists since the end of World War Two. England has been fighting Irish terrorists for over 100 years. No organized military in the history of the world has ever fully extinguished a terrorist cell through military power. In fact, it's the terrorists who hold all the victories. Terrorism beat the US Marines in Beirut in 1983, beat the US Army and Marines in Somalia, drove the Russians out of Afghanistan, and killed US civilian support for the war in Vietnam. You can drive people out of other people's countries, but you can never drive them out of their own. It doesn't work that way. I was part of the first wave of Marines into Albania and Kosovo (26 MEU, the tip of the spear - oorah!) back in 1999. What do you know... we're still there. We lost a lot of good people in that shithole of what's left of Yugoslavia, and it was all for nothing. I don't regret what I did there, but I do regret that I was so unrealistic and naive about it.
I voted for Bush last time while most of you were in Junior High and I'll vote for Kerry this time - and you STILL won't be voting. So I don't even know why I'm arguing this.
So, anyway, I hear school loans suck...
I voted for Bush last time while most of you were in Junior High and I'll vote for Kerry this time - and you STILL won't be voting. So I don't even know why I'm arguing this.
So, anyway, I hear school loans suck...
apexigod
07-16-2004, 11:49 AM
I voted for Bush last time while most of you were in Junior High and I'll vote for Kerry this time -
why vote kerry? he's gonna increase taxes man, jesus christ....because of the huge tax where I live, its extremely hard for me to pay my bills. I have a good job, and I produce music on the side...and its still a bitch to pay my bills because of all the taxes.
why vote kerry? he's gonna increase taxes man, jesus christ....because of the huge tax where I live, its extremely hard for me to pay my bills. I have a good job, and I produce music on the side...and its still a bitch to pay my bills because of all the taxes.
Kafziel
07-16-2004, 12:23 PM
I'm from New York, man - taxes don't get much higher than that. But there's more to government than taxes. What does it matter that Bush sent us all a $300 check three years ago, when gas prices are .50 a gallon higher, house prices are up more than 200%, and we're in a limitless war that costs us millions every second? It all catches up to you eventually, one way or another, and it has certainly made up for the little check I got in 2001. At 10 gallons a week, the gas hike alone has cost me $780.00. Twice the national tax refund. Kerry might not be the greatest president we've ever seen, but he certainly isn't any worse than Bush.
I'm a Republican, not because I blindly follow every Republican leader, but because I believe in the Republican ideal - a very limited federal government. "Limited federal government" and "George W Bush" have probably NEVER been uttered in the same sentence. States' rights are out the window, which is what the democrats have wanted all along. So no democrat could possibly make it any worse.
I'm a Republican, not because I blindly follow every Republican leader, but because I believe in the Republican ideal - a very limited federal government. "Limited federal government" and "George W Bush" have probably NEVER been uttered in the same sentence. States' rights are out the window, which is what the democrats have wanted all along. So no democrat could possibly make it any worse.
hatchbacksi
07-16-2004, 02:07 PM
but if you wait till closer to the elections you will see that we have found weapons and we are waiting to releas them. and i sure hope those dune coons dont try to pull some silly shit befor the elections.
First, Bush and his administration have admitted that there are no weapons. They say now that sadaam had the power to maybe produce them, which is still crap.
But what i really wanna know is how can you support a man that is holding on to the weapons, hiding them, just to help him get re-elected. Show the rest of the world these weapons so that maybe they will support us for once.
What kind of horrible president would let american citizens keep dying and dying, just so he could hold out on proving to the world there are weapons of mass destruction.
Oh, and i want to say thank you to all the men and women who blindly join the military to go fight for whatever the president wants. If bush wanted someone to go there, then someone would go to iraq to fight. Im just glad there are enough simple-minded "patriotic" people in the country willing to go die in the sand, because if there werent, i might have to go, we might need a draft, but i sure as hell dont want to go fight some bullshit war against nobody who never threatened me or my person. Thank you, all you naive people who are willing to die for nothing in my place.
And dont talk about how I dont support freedom or whatever. The iraqis are just as bad off now that they are free, as when sadaam ruled them. Its still hell out there for them.
Oh, and how can you pick Bush over Kerry? Kerry fought honorably in a war he didnt believe in. Bush, and all his advisors he has now, got out of it the cowards way by joining the texas air national guard. I dont support kerry's policies all the time, but i respect the man for what he did. Bush ran away like a little baby and hid behind his daddys money.
First, Bush and his administration have admitted that there are no weapons. They say now that sadaam had the power to maybe produce them, which is still crap.
But what i really wanna know is how can you support a man that is holding on to the weapons, hiding them, just to help him get re-elected. Show the rest of the world these weapons so that maybe they will support us for once.
What kind of horrible president would let american citizens keep dying and dying, just so he could hold out on proving to the world there are weapons of mass destruction.
Oh, and i want to say thank you to all the men and women who blindly join the military to go fight for whatever the president wants. If bush wanted someone to go there, then someone would go to iraq to fight. Im just glad there are enough simple-minded "patriotic" people in the country willing to go die in the sand, because if there werent, i might have to go, we might need a draft, but i sure as hell dont want to go fight some bullshit war against nobody who never threatened me or my person. Thank you, all you naive people who are willing to die for nothing in my place.
And dont talk about how I dont support freedom or whatever. The iraqis are just as bad off now that they are free, as when sadaam ruled them. Its still hell out there for them.
Oh, and how can you pick Bush over Kerry? Kerry fought honorably in a war he didnt believe in. Bush, and all his advisors he has now, got out of it the cowards way by joining the texas air national guard. I dont support kerry's policies all the time, but i respect the man for what he did. Bush ran away like a little baby and hid behind his daddys money.
hatchbacksi
07-16-2004, 02:10 PM
i miss clinton man. I actually had money in the bank then. I could afford gas...and even the president was getting his d*ck sucked....those were some good times :) I had a nicer car then too.
EatTheBlue1
07-16-2004, 02:25 PM
I think Bush is the sh*t yea we have to pay more for gas and sh*t is harder. but we got bombed one time and bush went over there and pulled a key player out of a hole hah you have to show u have balls i dont think kerry will be able to show he has balls and i think he will get walked on if he makes pres.
hatchbacksi
07-16-2004, 02:28 PM
He didnt pull a key player out of the hole!!!
sadaam had nothing to do with anything related to 9-11!!!
Bush admits that!
sadaam had nothing to do with anything related to 9-11!!!
Bush admits that!
megaman277
07-16-2004, 02:49 PM
Bush is trying to fight a war against terrorism, you see it all the time "the war against terrorism"...now if that is not bullcrap i dont know what is. he is trying to fight an ideology of people who have hatred for americans. So it really doesnt matter what is done how many are killed or what weapons are found people are still gonna hate america. thats like cops trying to fight against street racers...regardless of how much they ticket us, take our cars or whatever we still won't like cops and we still will find a way to race.
And to be honest..."almost" anywhere can produce mass weapons...and if i am the leader of a nation im pretty sure if i wanted to obtain weapons of mass destruction i could...i dont have to produce them to get them...
Bush went after saddam as a vendetta that daddy bush left behind, he wanted to catch the man his elder couldn't we worried bout saddam and as hatchbacksi said he had nothing to do with 9/11, isnt that why this all started
p.s. to all my new yorkers rember when 93 was about 1.80 nows its like 2.50+...blame bush
can someone say oil!!!
And to be honest..."almost" anywhere can produce mass weapons...and if i am the leader of a nation im pretty sure if i wanted to obtain weapons of mass destruction i could...i dont have to produce them to get them...
Bush went after saddam as a vendetta that daddy bush left behind, he wanted to catch the man his elder couldn't we worried bout saddam and as hatchbacksi said he had nothing to do with 9/11, isnt that why this all started
p.s. to all my new yorkers rember when 93 was about 1.80 nows its like 2.50+...blame bush
can someone say oil!!!
EatTheBlue1
07-16-2004, 03:05 PM
i know he was not with 911 i was jumping topics but i still stand with him showing that he wont just sit there and do nothing he is showing that he will do what it takes to bring down anyone that that steps up. do i think hez nuts and has took all this to far yea . but now that its done i dont think kerry will help at all if anything other may find him weak.
Kafziel
07-16-2004, 03:16 PM
Weak, like how Bush heard about the first plane hitting the WTC and continued to read a children's book to a bunch of pre-schoolers?
Weak, like how Bush looked when he waited more than a month to do anything to Afghanistan? (Especially bad knowing now that his administration KNEW Bin Laden was responsible - as shown by the Bin Laden family airlift on September 11th and 12th - and gave him enough time to run and hide.)
Weak, like how Bush never did get Bin Laden, despite all the best efforts of the military and foreign intelligence services?
We look weak every time our thousands of soldiers fail to stop one guy with a car bomb.
Worrying about saving face is what drove Japan to attack Pearl Harbor. Being afraid of looking weak is what drove the Soviet Union to bankrupt itself building nukes in the arms race.
The more you fight to save public opinion, the more strength you lose.
Weak, like how Bush looked when he waited more than a month to do anything to Afghanistan? (Especially bad knowing now that his administration KNEW Bin Laden was responsible - as shown by the Bin Laden family airlift on September 11th and 12th - and gave him enough time to run and hide.)
Weak, like how Bush never did get Bin Laden, despite all the best efforts of the military and foreign intelligence services?
We look weak every time our thousands of soldiers fail to stop one guy with a car bomb.
Worrying about saving face is what drove Japan to attack Pearl Harbor. Being afraid of looking weak is what drove the Soviet Union to bankrupt itself building nukes in the arms race.
The more you fight to save public opinion, the more strength you lose.
EatTheBlue1
07-16-2004, 03:24 PM
heh well whats done is done. your points are alot strounger then anything i can come up with so no point in me trying to help bush. i still dont think kerry will do any good tho if anything i think things will get ugly when he comes in if he dose
damasta
07-16-2004, 05:38 PM
Let me tell everybody something from an Iraqi. I respect people's opinions and other stuff about how bad P. Bush is but the only thing Bush knows is that the whole country Iraq loves him because for the last maybe 40 years they whole country and other countries have been in war and very scared of what he could do to people. I have been in the USA for about 8 years and all I can say that when I saw a pictures of a mother holding a maybe 4-5 month baby in her arms and hugging it, but the wrong part about that was that they were died on the streets rotten and they were like frozen, but not really frozen if you mean what i'm saying. Now when you see that
Saddam did that to civilians like the mother and baby, I would say that he might not have been realted with the 9/11, but I sure say that he is involved in about terrorising a whole country and killing and also probably know one knows this but Saddam has killed some of his children not the two sons that were killed, but like his other girls with like 2 other wives and he killed his girls because he didn't like their husband and he made the husbands shoot his girls if they didnt he would kill both of them. It's kind of sick to see people going into grinders and believe it's one of the most sickining thing you could ever see, and that's just because when you lived in Iraq you would think will I be next into the grinder or one of my family. So it's pretty scary and like in schools they had to have a pic of Saddam if they didnt they would take all the kids and teachers and just one by one kill them in front of their parents. Now if anybody thinks that it's not bad then you have issues and you're probably one of them, but if you do then you could understand why P. Bush maybe the greatest President to ever do anything that big is the P. to vote for. I'm talking about this Bush thing too much, but All I wanted to say to everybody was an opinion and also for all the other Iraqi's that support Bush. If you have the guts to see people go through grinders and get thier hands cut of, then go download it from kazaa, maybe search for saddem and and you will see the point The Bush family both Bush's ,are trying to prove to the whole world. I Thank Bush for all his hard work and also the great young soldiers that risked their lives for other great americans and the freedom for all the Muslim People. God Bless
P.S. This isnt a political forum, but I just want to get the word out. Thanks. Also I have a 97 civic hx and I want to get some sound into it like better sound if you have any idea for me PM and please dont make it more than $500. Also if you do want the videos of the gruesome Saddam then PM I have some that will change the way you thinked about Bush and Terrorists. Thanks!!!
Saddam did that to civilians like the mother and baby, I would say that he might not have been realted with the 9/11, but I sure say that he is involved in about terrorising a whole country and killing and also probably know one knows this but Saddam has killed some of his children not the two sons that were killed, but like his other girls with like 2 other wives and he killed his girls because he didn't like their husband and he made the husbands shoot his girls if they didnt he would kill both of them. It's kind of sick to see people going into grinders and believe it's one of the most sickining thing you could ever see, and that's just because when you lived in Iraq you would think will I be next into the grinder or one of my family. So it's pretty scary and like in schools they had to have a pic of Saddam if they didnt they would take all the kids and teachers and just one by one kill them in front of their parents. Now if anybody thinks that it's not bad then you have issues and you're probably one of them, but if you do then you could understand why P. Bush maybe the greatest President to ever do anything that big is the P. to vote for. I'm talking about this Bush thing too much, but All I wanted to say to everybody was an opinion and also for all the other Iraqi's that support Bush. If you have the guts to see people go through grinders and get thier hands cut of, then go download it from kazaa, maybe search for saddem and and you will see the point The Bush family both Bush's ,are trying to prove to the whole world. I Thank Bush for all his hard work and also the great young soldiers that risked their lives for other great americans and the freedom for all the Muslim People. God Bless
P.S. This isnt a political forum, but I just want to get the word out. Thanks. Also I have a 97 civic hx and I want to get some sound into it like better sound if you have any idea for me PM and please dont make it more than $500. Also if you do want the videos of the gruesome Saddam then PM I have some that will change the way you thinked about Bush and Terrorists. Thanks!!!
damasta
07-16-2004, 05:38 PM
Damn the topic is so off cars and stuff.
exman98
07-16-2004, 08:24 PM
hatchbacksi
"Oh, and i want to say thank you to all the men and women who blindly join the military to go fight for whatever the president wants"
you better watch what you say. there are many people that joined the militery for nothing to do with iraq
the U.S. soldiers are helping the iraqi people so much. seting up schools and hospitals.
my brother just 2 days ago called from bahgdad and said that he found 3 injured iraqies. they had been shot. he was the first on the seen and saved thier lifes. the news media does not want to show any support for bush because they are way out there some were in the political spectrum
any way if kerry wins (wich i pray doesn't happen) the first lady wont even be from the U.S.A.
my whole piont is dont blaim the soldiers. for every soldier there is a proud family.
support your troops
im not saying you have to support the cause ( like i do)
"Oh, and i want to say thank you to all the men and women who blindly join the military to go fight for whatever the president wants"
you better watch what you say. there are many people that joined the militery for nothing to do with iraq
the U.S. soldiers are helping the iraqi people so much. seting up schools and hospitals.
my brother just 2 days ago called from bahgdad and said that he found 3 injured iraqies. they had been shot. he was the first on the seen and saved thier lifes. the news media does not want to show any support for bush because they are way out there some were in the political spectrum
any way if kerry wins (wich i pray doesn't happen) the first lady wont even be from the U.S.A.
my whole piont is dont blaim the soldiers. for every soldier there is a proud family.
support your troops
im not saying you have to support the cause ( like i do)
exman98
07-16-2004, 08:25 PM
we would get walked on if kerry wins
Beastiek2
07-16-2004, 08:47 PM
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exman98
07-16-2004, 09:04 PM
lol
damasta
07-16-2004, 11:36 PM
lol
GTR...GTR...GTR
07-19-2004, 08:59 PM
I've got school loans to pay back. Buy body kits from me. :naughty: Or sell them on eBay for me and get paid.
BTW Is anyone else getting "Server Busy" messages when posting? This took me like 10 mins to post.
BTW Is anyone else getting "Server Busy" messages when posting? This took me like 10 mins to post.
T-Racer
07-19-2004, 09:03 PM
i get the messages all the time.. its a pain in the @$$
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