ecotec or twin cam?

i a kid down the street from me has a 03 ecotec. hes an ass but he's got it 5speed with exhaust , intake, header. i got a z24 with exhaust, intake, cat, header. who would win??

idk this is a really close call. While his 5 spd trans is a bit quicker than the auto, you have more stock HP and TQ and a high flow cat. Only way to find out is to race.

i'd put my money on the twin cam if it was a 5 spd....

yea mine is a 5 speed a really wanna beat him cause he always runs his mouth that his car is faster than a z.

Its a drivers race, should be close.

Usually dont post around here but I have a question that I don't feel like researching for an hour to get my exact answer.

what's the difference between the two motor's? 2.4 and ecotec? what exactly is ecotec?

Not to bash you guy's but I really dont have an interest in knowing alot about cavalier's I personally dont like them and I haven't raced one that put up a good challenge yet but I dont wanna seem like im here just to hate but I would like to know what motor is typically better and what is ecotec? The cavalier is one car I have never researched but I would just like to know the answer to what I asked any help is appreciated.

Dont want to jack your thread either but I figure since both motor's were mentioned it wouldent be too far off topic.

Anyone?

The 2.4L produces about 160hp while the 2.2L ecotec produces about 140hp. The 2.4 is a bit complex and there arent a whole lot of mod.s out there for it beyond say a supercharger, exhaust, headers, and intake. For the 2.2L, there is due out a turbo and it is much easier to work on. Any other ??

powershift that bitch :iceslolan

twin cams have 150hp 155tq

The ecotecs are pretty fast, and you only have a cat more than him. Id put money on the tec

no, ecotecs for the most part are low 16's stock, Z24's are mid to high 15s stock, the Z24 has him all the way.

how in the world can somebody who drives a civic hatch back say anything negetive at all about any other car? does anyone else find that halarious? you can't get any slower and unoriginal than a civic hatch back. head back to the civic forum with the other 15 million civics. they should know all there is to know about engines!!

02cavy....you should research before youspeak your mouth....civicHBsi91 (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=31183) actually has a pretty impressive machine...i've read some of his race stories, and the work he has done to his car...so please no bashing.

damn ppl, alot of ppl posted here. yea i think ill prolly take him with my z. tecs are fast but i got more power, and about the kid with the crx, lets not rag, cuz his ride is prolly faster than all of ours.

how in the world can somebody who drives a civic hatch back say anything negetive at all about any other car? does anyone else find that halarious? you can't get any slower and unoriginal than a civic hatch back. head back to the civic forum with the other 15 million civics. they should know all there is to know about engines!!

I Didn't say much negative. I stated my opinion on them and didn't bash on them at all. Thank's losingx for trying to clear some of that up. You also cannot argue that both civic's and cavalier's are not massivly popular and everyone seem's to have one.

If you would like to show me how much faster your cavlier is than my "civic" I would be happy to race and if your not anywhere close then you can take it to the track and we can compare time's. Although my car is nothing to waive a stick at I have only spent around 2,350$ on it including the car itself and it run's decent time's for that money and they will surely fall with just the addition of better tire's.

Thank you to all who tried to answer my question.

perhaps you have misunderstood my "civic" comment. your civic may be very nice and plenty fast. i don't doubt that for a second. but if we're talking stock engines, which i thought we were, civics have nothing on cavaliers. i think i've done enough "research" to know that much! thus my response to saying you haven't raced a cavalier that's given you a challenge. if you want to know about cavy engines and post a thread, you don't need to say anything about how you don't like them. just ask your question. sorry to anyone who is affended by me standin up for cavaliers.

Even when I had my stock motor in my stock hatchback when I had a hatchback I would pull on cavalier's anyway.

hell even when I drove a stock 1993 civic lx 4 door with 250,000 mile's on the motor I could keep dead even with brand new ls sport cavalier's with the ecotec.

Yea maybe a 2.2 cav... but not a z cav then only time you will pull away from a z is if you hit over 110. and the person in the z doesnt have his govener taken off

Now where talking stock... but with small mods.. the z will pull more power, i have done alot of research and the 2.4 twin cam has one of the most tuning potential than any other small compact car import or domestic.

Im not here to argue, I dont know anything about the "z" motor so have a nice day guy's.

i don't know who was drivin the cavy's you were racing, but they must not have known what they were doin. i have a 2.2 bone stock (as far as the engine is concerned) and it's not the fastest car in the world by any means, but i've never lost to a stock civic.

I don't know it doesen't matter that was beater car racing for me. I haven't a cavalier give me a good enough run in my car.

I am not trying to argue just giving you facts on a cav.. thats all

thye eco will with mods listed. they are under rated and very restricted from the factory. not to say the 2.4 twin cam is a slug but the eco is just better. just restricted a lot. if we ever get tuning software you will see some real quick all motor eco's you guys should drive each others cars and then you will see! and feel that top end charge of an un corked eco.

nova racer stop being such a fan boy. Im so sick of hearing all the ecotec owners always saying, yeah well my car will respond better to mods, my car will tune better, my car can be a better engine, shut the fuck up. If your car isnt beating the Ld9 engine right now, i dont care. The LD9 has more power at a lower RPM, off the line its a hard car to beat. And further more as much as you want your car to be a Z24 its not, and the ecotecs are not under rated at all.

Everyone always says the ecotec is a better engine cause they switched over to it, if the ecotec is so good howcome once the ecotec engine was put into the car, GM cancelled the line up after 3 years? Yet the LD9 had 8 years in the car 94-02. Hmmm. . . .

damn rite, i dont know who underrates the eco but the twin cam is the better engine. tuning potential? jus cuz theres more mods for the eco doesnt mean theres more potential, both good engines, but the 2.4 is better

if the ecotec is so good howcome once the ecotec engine was put into the car, GM cancelled the line up after 3 years? Yet the LD9 had 8 years in the car 94-02. Hmmm. . . .
What does that have to do with anything?

heres what it has to do with, they were using the 2.4 for 8 years before they decided to use the ecotech, but even when the ecotec came out that was the last year for the z, the cavi with the eco only had three years running, not to succesful.

isnt the ecotec in the new saturn's and cobalt's as well?...

yea, the ecotec, its a 2.0 in the cobalt and supercharged, 215 ponies!

isnt the ecotec in the new saturn's and cobalt's as well?...
Yes, it is, which is why it makes no sense to say that the Ecotec killed the Cavalier, which is what its sounding like. If length of service is the measuring stick, then the old 85 horsepower 2.0 and (and then later the 2.2) are better engines than the LD9, since they were in the car since it came out in 1982.

i never said it killed it, its a good engine, but in my opinion the 2.4 twin cam was the better, i dont doubt the power of the ecotec.

OK then. I'm not arguing either engine is better. I'm just saying you can't judge by length of service in the Cavalier. The J-body was due for replacement. It's likely the Ecotec will be used in GM vehicles longer than the LD9. They already have been using variants of the Eco in Europe in Saabs and Opels, etc.

wow...... very defensive thread we have here. What do those eco's run stock? I know they have less HP and torque than our Z engines - but from what you guys say the ecos are faster? I know i've raced the new eco's in my cavy and they are fast, but I'm always ahead of them. From off the line the Z dominates - but the eco usually catches up but never passes. Thats just my experience with it. Enlighten me.

Go to the org, search for Ecotec vs. TwinCam, this is another issue that has been beat to death, like the VSS mod. Obviously, they're pretty even, as many arguments as people make in defense of both engines. I don't know why people have to fight about which is better. Who cares. Buy and drive the one you like better. I guess people get tired of saying their Cavalier is better than a Civic, now we have to fight among ourselves about which engine in the Cavalier is better.