Just how fast is an Evo?

Im confused about just how fast an Evo is, specifically their 0-60 and their 1/4 mile. I suscribe to Automobile magazine and I bought a magazine called Speed in the store that is part of Road and Track. Speed magazine has a comparison of the evo and a dirt bike, and it says the evo does 0-60 in 5.6 and the quarter in 14.2. I looked around for the Automobile magazine im thinking of where they compared several sport sedans, evo being one of them, and I remember the times it had in there were similar to the ones in the other magazine.
I just finished reading an older thread on the Car Comparisons forums about who would win, a stock evo or a supercharged mustang with 420 hp, and the general consensus was that the mustang MIGHT beat the Evo, if it had a good driver. I mean if a car magazine editor can only get a 14.2 out of an evo how could a mustang with 420 hp be slower?

Different drivers, different driving styles, different test conditions, and production variances basically add up to one thing: Don't magazine race.

About the best you can do is have a comparison test done by one magazine(ex: Evo vs. STi in C&D or SCC), so that the drivers, driving styles, and test conditions are about the same. Even that isn't too great because it still doesn't take production variances into account. Sometimes there might be a factory freak making more power than normal, and others might be weaker than normal.

I keep hereing different times to. But I'm sure its not that slow. The Evo can go to 0-60 in about 4.8 seconds, and it does a low 13 in the 1/4. But, dont froget, the Evo is NOT a drag car, its a rally/track car. It will KILL the Stang on the track with curves, and turns.

yeah your right about the 0 to 60 and the quarter mile is 13.4.

Chancers are that the evo will be quicker then the stang, as it will have major traction problems on take offs at least, but if there running the 1/4 then the stang will probably real it in, but on a track evo definatley

True, the Stang is more of a drag car. But the Stang SUCKS on a real track.

IF you know how to launch an AWD turbo car(5000-5500 RPM to be exact) the EVO will turn mid to low 13's, IF you don't know how to launch one or you don't want to destroy your drivetrain you'll run high 13's-low 14's.

The EVO(STI too) is a 13 sec car ONLY because of AWD, NOT because of massive horsepower.

The low MPH trap speed in the 1/4 mile speaks volumes about their real HP.

An 03-04 stock supercharged Cobra Mustang properly driven with the right rear tires would kill an EVO/STI. I don't care what any magazine test said. 276-300 HP is no match for the 390+ HP of the Cobra. And the Cobra is no slouch out on the track either. Certainly AWD is a bonus, but....go try and race a Cobra from 70 MPH on out on the highway, the lower HP and drivetrain losses of AWD will have you VERY quickly looking at the Cobra's rear tail lights.

go try and race a Cobra from 70 MPH on out on the highway, the lower HP and drivetrain losses of AWD will have you VERY quickly looking at the Cobra's rear tail lights.I have to agree here.

Yea the Cobra might be able to take it on the long streight, like the high way. And it might take it in the 1/4 mile, but thats because the Stang was made for drag raving. It wont take it on the track though.

Actually the Cobra was NOT designed for drags, it's IRS proves that and is a severe hinderance at the drag track, it's more suited to the real life open highway.

:gives: Its still a damn Ford.

And the EVO's a damn Mitsu, cars are cars, brand name don't mean shit.

lol, yes thats true. I'm just not a fan of American cars.

Well then you'd like my SS. It was made in Canada, LOL!

I like some American cars, like the Corrvete. I thought you had a Talon.

I do, my Talon was made in Illinois.

I also have a Grand Prix GTP.

The SS has the LS1 Vette motor in it. Great car.

What kind of mods you done to it?

a few mods here and a few mods there then the lancer should be able to walk the cobra. after all the cobra is a high 12 sec car. u can get low 12s with a few mods on the lancer

a few mods here and a few mods there then the lancer should be able to walk the cobra. after all the cobra is a high 12 sec car. u can get low 12s with a few mods on the lancer Well come on now...and a few mods and drag radials and the Cobra is a low 12 high 11's car. You can't mod one and leave the other stock and then compare.

I say that mag test of STI/Cobra was rigged. They wanted to pull in the import crowd into their readership and having an STI run nose to nose with a Cobra would do it. Any good driver could get the Cobra into the 12's, but they only managed a low 13? Yet they pull a very good low 13 out of the STI when most folks can't run better than mid 13's?

Don't get me wrong, I like EVO/STI but their HP is no match for the Cobra, it's actually underated at 390, where the EVO/STI are close to being overated on HP.

The acceleration times in SPEED were done in the desert. Meaning that the car was launched on dirt, so they will ovbiously be slower than what the magazines have recorded on normal tarmac. The key here is to read the article carefully, and to look at the trap speed of the evo. If i remember correctly its slow as shit.

An Evo on normal road will go 4.59 0-60 and [email protected] (Motor Trend June 2003) under the best possible conditions.

Most Evo's will do 0-60 in about 4.8-5.0 and the quarter mile in 13.3-13.5 (*w/a 71.4mpg slalom speed, and a top speed of 156).

As for the Cobra, it recorded a 0-60 time of 4.82 and a quarter mile time of [email protected] in the same road test as the EVO (this was the HIGH SPEED TESTING ISSUE from last year. With a 5mph higher trap speed the Cobra is clearly faster than the Evo. I'm not sure that it will do 12's on stock tires b/c Sport Compact Car couldn't get it under a 13.3, but I think with slicks it'll be a 12.5-12.7 easy.

CLIFF NOTES AND STATISTICS

HORSEPOWER TORQUE Displacement Engine Type/Redline
COBRA: 390@6000 390@3500 4601cc SC V8/6500rpm
EVO: 271@6500 273@3500 1999cc TC I4/7000rpm

0-60 0-100 1/4 MILE 1 MILE TOP SPEED
COBRA: 4.82 11.25 [email protected] [email protected] 159(LIMITED)
EVO: 4.59 12.45 [email protected] [email protected] 156

BRAKING
SLALOM 0-60 1-100
COBRA: 65.4 116 319
EVO: 71.4 106 292

Clearly, the Cobra is the better drag car, and that is also its purpose whether Ford meant for it to be that way or not. When a car is sitting on a 20+ year old chassis only so much can be done about its handling. Moreover the point of the EVO is not to drag race, but to be able to disect mountian roads.

ALL OF THE STATICTICS LISTED ABOVE COME FROM THE JUNE 2003 ISSUE OF MOTOR TREND.

Braking Evo:
60-0:106
100-0:292

Braking Cobra:
60-0:116
100-0:319

Slalom Evo:
71.4

Slalom Cobra:
65.4

Acceleration Evo:
0-60:4.59
0-100: 12.45
1/4 Mile: [email protected]
1 Mile: [email protected]

Acceleration Cobra:
0-60: 4.82
0-100: 11.25
1/4 Mile: [email protected]
1 Mile: [email protected]


I Hope That This Layout Is A Little Bit More Clear!

TOP SPEED

COBRA: 159 (LIMITED)
EVO: 156

Sorry for the constant posts!

I know several folks into the 12's on bone stock Cobra's with stock tires. With slicks they are running mid 12's.

The slicks only take away about .4 tenths? If they were if the 12's then i would say 12.2-12.5. I'm just guessing in conparison to what other have gone with slocks compared to their stock tire times.

SCC cant drive a cobra worth shit. a 12.8 has been accomlished many times and MMFF has made a 12.4 pass under perfect conditions.

The slicks only take away about .4 tenths? If they were if the 12's then i would say 12.2-12.5. I'm just guessing in conparison to what other have gone with slocks compared to their stock tire times.Well the problem with the Cobra is wheel hop due to the IRS rear.

Cobras are low 12's stock. Ive seen a cobra with BFG DR, a new exhasut and a KN filter, run 11.7

I would have very little problems believing the stock SVT Cobra's being able to hit low 12's in the 1/4 on the strip if the traction is good and wheel motions are under control.

At 390 vs 271 HP the Cobra has a 44% advantage in HP.

At 3665 vs 3218 lbs the Cobra is only 14% heavier then an EVO RS.

I love my EVO, but It's wouldn't be kicking any Cobra asses in the straight.

But the Cobra does cost $6-10K more then the EVO. I think I can get another 50 horses for $2500 on my EVO. Which gets me to 320 horses or ~250-260 WHP.

For me to have a better then even shot at the Cobra, I'd need about 350 horses or 280-290 WHP. Which is a lot to ask from a 2.0 liter daily driver I want to run on 91 octane California piss they call premium.

But on most road courses, I'd be having Cobra's for lunch, I'd be able to brake a little later, corner at a little higher speed, carry a little more speed through the exit of turns...

Life is good!!!

Of the hand full of performance cars under $100K I’ve driven, the Corvette Z06 really stands out for having an excellent balance between acceleration, cornering, braking and ride comfort. It was just a bit over my budget. Not to mention no back seats for my rug rats. : )

HUH??? $6-10k?

A Cobra can be had for $33k, an EVO is what $29k??? That's only a $4k difference and I believe there is a rebate on Cobra now too.

Below are the MSRP for the two vehicles from Edmunds.com

SVT Cobra $36,485 - $40,865
EVO RS $27,374

I know Ford is discounting the Cobra $3K but I bought my EVO @ $3.1K below MSRP.

With that in mind, I'm still getting $6-10K delta or more between the two cars.

Below are the MSRP for the two vehicles from Edmunds.com

SVT Cobra $36,485 - $40,865
EVO RS $27,374

I know Ford is discounting the Cobra $3K but I bought my EVO @ $3.1K below MSRP.

With that in mind, I'm still getting $6-10K delta or more between the two cars.
First off, who was talking EVO RS. second the Cobra convertible is $39k, we'rre not talking convert here.

Compare regular EVO to regular Cobra:

Cobra: sticker price $35,500, I was quoted a best of $33k.
EVO: sticker is $30,574, I was quoted a best of $29,000.

That's $4,000 difference only. And no one around here was shaving off $3k on EVO's.

Well AWDTalon,

Maybe we’re both half right, When I look at Edmunds.com's info, they have different numbers within their detail page. I’m sure you're right about the Cobra Coupe's price.

Edmunds Overall SVT Cobra page:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/ford/mustangsvtcobra/index.html?tid=edmunds.n.mmindex.content.num19.0.f ord*
MSRP Price Range: $36,485 - $40,865

2dr Coupe page:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/ford/mustangsvtcobra/100340197/prices.html?tid=edmunds.n.mipmake.pricetable.num2. 1.ford*
Base Cobra Coupe : $34860

- $3000 rebate = $31860 (For a base model Cobra)

However, regarding the EVO, Any reasonable person looking for best performance would go for the lightest-highest performance model, right? That would be the RS.

I want to be clear regarding EVO’s pricing, I bought my EVO8 5 months ago from Alhambra Mitsubishi for $3.1K below MSRP. I didn’t pull the price out of my butt. The price was $26.7K with the carbon fiber wing, the only options I don't have on my car are the sunroof and the leather package, and I still see their advertisement for new EVO's once every month or so.

Also, until the end of this month, Mitsu has an additional $500 discount for current Mitsu owners and another $500 discount for college seniors, graduate students and people who graduated within the last 2 years.

Maybe a part of the price disparity between what we're seeing is due to Mitsu selling more cars here in CA than in WI, which might allow the CA dealers to give us a better deal. With the Cobra, the converse might be true.

Lets compare the Cobra you got a quote for ($33K) and my EVO8 ($26.7K). I see a delta of $6.3K.

Even if the price difference was only $4K, I would still be able to significantly upgrade the power of the EVO to make up a large part of the power-to-weight advantage the Cobra have, for just a little more than half of the price difference.

For me this is what it comes down to, after spending $2-3K to upgrade the EVO’s ECU and Exhaust:
EVO: Handles better, stops better, better ergonomics, better gas mileage, plus an extra $2-4K in my pocket.
Cobra: Slightly faster in the straights, V8 torque.

All I can say is life is pretty great when we’re arguing about high performance car we love vs. who’s got the largest 3+-ton SUV.

Different strokes for different folks, some people would prefer the Cobra, some people the EVO.

It doesnt matter if one is meant for drag and one isnt, if these two cars are owned by two owners who have the intent on draggin eachother, then thats all that counts: The Winner.

A 03-04 Cobra out on the open road would completly kill an EVO. It would not be a pretty sight.

that 0-60 and 1/4 were on dirt, same with the skid pad test, it says something about the wall of dust they kicked up during the skidpad