If You Could Swap Any Engine Into A 90 Hatch...

What would it be, im real sick of this 1.5 engine, this thing is too dam slow... Im sick of all these kids beatin me all the time... Even some kid in his ugly ass, old cavaler, with a bunch of kids in his car beat me.. whats the best thats fits, is sohc better than dohc, cuase i plan on putting in a turbo, cuase i hate them kids in those wrx too... so what should i do...
better yet, if this was your car what would you do and why, then how do I get started??

C32A 3.2 24V DOHC VTEC ... :icon16: .... yes mad NSX power.... tell me when you are done...lol :grinno:

Stick a 302 in it....

ya, ppl beat my 1.6L all the time - i'm just happy for the awesome gas mileage! If i really wanted to race, i'd take my 2003 camry v6 n spank em. If my parents were to mod that thing out, it'd be sickkkkk...Dang old ppl n their nice cars they never race...

But anyway, for the civic i'd get a LS-R/LS-VTEC/"FRANKENSTEIN" DOHC 1.8L VTEC - aka H22. Info on the engines n stuff is found here:

http://www.4thgenerationcivic.com/engines/engines1.htm

it's close to the bottom, and if it runs 13's stock, and you added some mods, you could definitely do some street or track racing damage.


B16a - DOHC 1.6L VTEC might be another alternative, 160hp running 14s stock sounds nice...


Really, how fast you wanna make the car go will depend on how much money you have to spend.

350 RWD swap.

it's doable.

B16a - DOHC 1.6L VTEC might be another alternative, 160hp running 14s stock sounds nice...



b16 is nothing but hype....it is a tourqeless weiner of an engine

i used to spank a couple b16 rex's in my city with my 240
much more heavy of a car with less hp stock to stock than a b16

go b20, generally a cheaper engine and you will LOVE it


i dont see what all the hype is with kids and vtec....vtec blows

and i dont recall ever hearing a b16 pulling 14's without decent mods, i could be wrong but i dont think so....

get a b18c1 or gsr engine build it and slap a turbo kit on there, get it tuned real good, you can push 400whp on pump gas but might not have traction so a better goal is around 300whp

how about D16Z6? slap a turbo kit on there and get it tuned, and now you have a bad ass little car.

b16 is nothing but hype....it is a tourqeless weiner of an engine

i used to spank a couple b16 rex's in my city with my 240
much more heavy of a car with less hp stock to stock than a b16

go b20, generally a cheaper engine and you will LOVE it


i dont see what all the hype is with kids and vtec....vtec blows

and i dont recall ever hearing a b16 pulling 14's without decent mods, i could be wrong but i dont think so....

Oh my god.. Here we go. :evillol:
You used to beat B16 rexes with a 240? Well, hate to break it to you but they weren't running right or they weren't racing you.

B20s are more expensive than 1st gen B16s, so I don't really know what the fuck you're talking about there.

VTEC doesn't blow and its not hype.. People getting on the "torque wins races" B.S. is hype. These are people that don't understand the relationship between torque and HP and how irrelevant how much power the B16 makes below 6,000rpm is.

Oh, and you must be hanging out with guys with crappy running B16s. My 91 hatch runs 14.9@93mph with just an exhaust. As you can see, I'm seriously lacking traction.

And to the original question. My answer would be a 1st gen B16 with a 1.8L block from an LS or GSR. Nice and cheap build to be low 14s, high 13s.

Oh my god.. Here we go. :evillol:

B20s are more expensive than 1st gen B16s, so I don't really know what the fuck you're talking about there.


Sorry, I'm going to assume ur talking about CRVTec because a B20 alone is alot cheaper than a B16a. I also love the fact that I get amazing gas mileage with it, it had only 27k on it, and I can pull hard on b16's thru 3rd gear. That may not be much to brag about to you but it is to me. Keep in mind that I'm doing this with only an intake and exhaust...I think I can take them now with my ITR header, cat, and FPR or at least pull on them thru 4th now. I know that i just need a little more topend power to continue pulling on them.
Next year my B20 non-vtec WILL be vtec. which costs thousands to do. So, if that's what ur talking about then ur right. But if ur just talking about a B20 without a vtec head swap...then ur wrong. They're pretty cheap.

IMO, the best motor would be a B20 with a vtec head....can beat anything.....as long as it's built right. Have you see the Honda 2.0 liter challenge? It hosted an S2000, EK9 b20 w/CTR head, and an accord euro-R with H22. Keep in mind all these cars were fully built n' tuned, etc. Guess who won? Yep, the EK9 hatch. It smoked the others.
I believe a CRVtec can do 13's stock.

In the end...the motor you choose all depends on the ultimate goal you have for ur car...street or track, show or go, reliability or something that requires a lot of tuning frequently.

I will agree on Siz with ONE thing....the B16a is the BEST all around motor for the price and tunability and as a good starting point. But there are many options. A Z6 or Y8 or some kind of Mini-me combo can work really nice too....especially with a turbo.

IMO, the best motor would be a B20 with a vtec head....can beat anything.....as long as it's built right.

So this is the best set up??

this one looks very nice too...

"B18C
98 Spec-R 1797cc
4 cyl, 16valve
DOHC VTEC
10.0:1 c.r
210 bhp @ 8100
Redline: 8900 rpm"

Im def lookin for street use.. posibly once on the track 2 see what she runs..

AND def has 2 be reliable, cuase its my daily driver..

Ill be redoing the brakes, and susp. 1st but i wanna get going on what engine to start looking for!!

as soon as i figure out how to upload pics to the gallery, ill trow them up here and show what it looks like now.........

b16 is nothing but hype....it is a tourqeless weiner of an engine

i used to spank a couple b16 rex's in my city with my 240
much more heavy of a car with less hp stock to stock than a b16

go b20, generally a cheaper engine and you will LOVE it


i dont see what all the hype is with kids and vtec....vtec blows

and i dont recall ever hearing a b16 pulling 14's without decent mods, i could be wrong but i dont think so....


HAHAHA. I guess its pretty easy blurting out a bunch of crap you read on these forums from kids who know just as much as you.....which is about NOTHING. And like SiZ says, those b16's must of looked over and saw some riced out 240 reving at them and didn't even bother racing you. Typical ricer. Get some more hands on knowledge and then come back and then maybe you won't get ragged on.


Now to get back to the topic is this thread, I would say that the b20 is a great motor, and even better with a vtec head slapped onto it, but unless you have a good amount of experience building up motors, I wouldn't recomend this to you. Sure the straight up b20 would be fairly easy to do, but the CRvtec is were it gets tricky. I had a friend who had a ls/vtec motor that he build himself and he ended up spinning a bearing and destroying his motor. Obviously because he didn't build it right. And to build it right its going to cost a good bit of money, like BamBam said.

So for my opinion, I'd say do a b16 swap, or if you really have the money do a b18c1 swap. And if you want more speed, this is were boost comes into play......you have so many options with honda's its not even funny. As my favorite quote goes....."Honda's are like legos..."

Don't assume anything, it makes an ass out of u and me.

I wasn't talking about the B20VTEC. Why would I be? Did I say that. I'm not making shit up, I'm speaking from personal experience. I payed $1250 for my B16, motor tranny, ECU. I WAS going to get the B20, but it was $1700 for motor, trannny, ECU and the tranny and ECU are usless to me so it would be a shitload more money to get the B20 working right in my car. Here's a link. I can't find more because I don't know where people buy motors from really.. B20s are increasinly popular so they keep getting more expensive, and 1st gen B16s are cheap because we and G2 Tegs are the only ones that can really make use of them.
1st gen B16 - $599 - B20 - $699
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?what=category&keyword=JDM%20USDM%20Engines&hit=20

Also, don't assume that the guy just slapped a B16B head on the B20 block and away you go to 13s its really not that easy. I don't know how much research you've done about CRVTEC, but I suggest you do a LOT of reading. If you want it to be reliable on a daily basis its going to be quite expensive. If you just slap a head on and are on your way, well.. Watch out.

I see CRV blocks selling all the time for $700, sometimes more. I see B18 blocks selling all the time for anywhere between $2-400. I'll take the extra $500 in savings to build the B18 block for my B16A head. :)

These are the facts.

So this is the best set up??

this one looks very nice too...

"B18C
98 Spec-R 1797cc
4 cyl, 16valve
DOHC VTEC
10.0:1 c.r
210 bhp @ 8100
Redline: 8900 rpm"

Im def lookin for street use.. posibly once on the track 2 see what she runs..


No No No. That motor is a damn waste of money. I mean, don't get me wrong, its an EXCELENT motor, but the swap alone will cost you $5,000 and thats if you do it yourself. You'd be better off doing a b16, or b18c1 swap, and then using the extra cash left over to do mods.

what about the LS-R/LS-VTEC/"FRANKENSTEIN" DOHC 1.8L VTEC ??

Someones "getting it". ;)

For the money spent on an ITR motor, you could have a reliable turbocharged B16A or B18A or B running low boost that would just rock the shit out of the B18C5.

For the money spent on a GSR motor you could have a 1st gen B16 with a GSR block, ITR cams, and a nice ITR LSD tranny and rock B18C swaps all day long.

Anyone else see what I'm getting at?! :p



As far as "frankenstien" swaps are concerned, they're a nice idea but quite a bit of money to do. GSR blocks can acheive similar performance with less dinking around than an LS block, but LS blocks can be done to be just as good as a GSR block but will cost you around the same $$ when you're done. They make nice power when you're done with them, but they're not bolt on affairs so they require time and money. Machine work to the block, getting ECU tuned for the new motor, new oil pump, water pump, timing belt, head bolts, ARP rod bolts are strongly recommended for LSVTEC builds, rod bearings, and a few more things I'm surley leaving out.
But they make the car quite fast for the money put into them, however they are much much more than just a "bolt on" and go type thing. (unless using a GSR or ITR block because they're already intended for VTEC)

what about the LS-R/LS-VTEC/"FRANKENSTEIN" DOHC 1.8L VTEC ??

As I said in my previous post......These motors can be real monsters, but they can also be a real headache. You really gotta know what you are doing with you build a motor to be vtec that wasn't meant to be vtec. Its going to cost you. And if you take the cheap way out, its going to cost you even more when you throw a rod or spin a bearing trying to rev your motor to 8 grand when the block wasn't meant to rev past 6 grand. I sudjest you do a whole bunch of research before you go throwing money into an engine.


Someones "getting it".

What bitch? Don't worry I've got it, and I've had it for a long time. LOL. Don't make me come and lay the smack down on your canadian ass. LOL.

Someones "getting it". ;)

For the money spent on an ITR motor, you could have a reliable turbocharged B16A or B18A or B running low boost that would just rock the shit out of the B18C5.

For the money spent on a GSR motor you could have a 1st gen B16 with a GSR block, ITR cams, and a nice ITR LSD tranny and rock B18C swaps all day long.

Anyone else see what I'm getting at?! :p


Looks like I found my set up!! B - series, with a turbo...

Yuh dude. Look around for 1st generation B16As, or if you can find a low KM B18A will do good too, but the might be kinda hard to find in low K like the B16.

As far as mounts go, you MIGHT want to check out HAsports hydro-cable conversion with mounts wich is allowing us to use newer hydraulic trannys (old cable ones are usually old and crappy). I'm giving it serious consideration. A type-R or SiR tranny with an LSD would be SAWEEEET.

Hybrid - C'mon up here to Canada. You'll never be able to catch me. :p No need to name call man, I'm just suprisied someone here actually comprehends what I'm trying to say. Generally it just turns into a war of "I have this motor and I smoke B16As, they're torqueless and gay".. Or something like that.

i used to spank a couple b16 rex's in my city with my 240

My friend has a 240sx. We raced. I won by about 7 cars. The only mod he has is a muffler. The only mod i have on my b16 is an intake.

Hybrid - C'mon up here to Canada. You'll never be able to catch me. :p No need to name call man, I'm just suprisied someone here actually comprehends what I'm trying to say. Generally it just turns into a war of "I have this motor and I smoke B16As, they're torqueless and gay".. Or something like that.

Ah, I wasn't trying to be a prick with the name calling thing, was all just in fun. And I'm sure I wouldn't be about to catch you. My Si isn't all that fast.....as of now. I know a lot of people have been talking shit on b16's lately, since the b20 is becoming so much more popular. But the b16 is tried and true to be a great motor. Let them do thier b20 swaps and leave more b16's for us!!!

Don't assume anything, it makes an ass out of u and me.

I wasn't talking about the B20VTEC. Why would I be? Did I say that. I'm not making shit up, I'm speaking from personal experience. I payed $1250 for my B16, motor tranny, ECU. I WAS going to get the B20, but it was $1700 for motor, trannny, ECU and the tranny and ECU are usless to me so it would be a shitload more money to get the B20 working right in my car. Here's a link. I can't find more because I don't know where people buy motors from really.. B20s are increasinly popular so they keep getting more expensive, and 1st gen B16s are cheap because we and G2 Tegs are the only ones that can really make use of them.
1st gen B16 - $599 - B20 - $699
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?what=category&keyword=JDM%20USDM%20Engines&hit=20

Also, don't assume that the guy just slapped a B16B head on the B20 block and away you go to 13s its really not that easy. I don't know how much research you've done about CRVTEC, but I suggest you do a LOT of reading. If you want it to be reliable on a daily basis its going to be quite expensive. If you just slap a head on and are on your way, well.. Watch out.

I see CRV blocks selling all the time for $700, sometimes more. I see B18 blocks selling all the time for anywhere between $2-400. I'll take the extra $500 in savings to build the B18 block for my B16A head. :)

These are the facts.



Are you freaking kidding me? $1700 for a B20b? They are $700 from Hmotorsonline.com and every other JDM motor importer for the COMPLETE motor. They are Soooo cheap it's not even funny. I bought mine from hmotorsonline for $450 for just the head and block....cuz I wasn't going to use any of the B20 parts on it anyway. I suggest YOU do some serious researching urself...

You may be right about the B16 being cheaper but only the B16a. It's only $100 cheaper. In the end the B20b is cheaper because the parts needed to swap it are cheaper and more widely available.

I spent $1,800 TOTAL for my B20b swap doing it myself which included everything: Teg ECU, IM, EM, Dizzy, Sir Y1 tranny, new axles, B-series mounts, conversion linkage, every ring and seal replaced, fluids, all new nuts and bolts from HONDA/ACURA and also tons of miscellaneous parts.

How much does it cost for a complete B16 swap? Then add mounts, and linkage, maybe some axles. What if ur distributor goes? Try finding a OBD0 JDM b16a dizzy...have fun...those things are hard to find unless you want to pay a pretty penny for them. How many miles does ur B16 have? Mine came with a certificate saying it had 27,xxx miles on it.
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?what=page&item=30025

Also where did you get the corelation about me saying slapping on a B18b head on a CRV block will get you 13's? I DIDN'T say that...go back and re-read my post. I said a CRVtec can do 13's stock....meaning without modz. Obviously you're going to have to resleeve it to avoid cracking the cylinder walls due to the higher compression created when adding a smaller vtec head. That's a given. I'm saying you don't have to build the motor in anyway besides resleeving it to run 13's. A crvtec is No more expensive than an ls/vtec. In fact it's the EXACT same thing. In all reality, a B20 is a factory bored-out LS motor. It requires the same exact parts/labor to have it running safely.

I HAVE done alot of research and I DO speak from experience. I HAVE a B20b in my car. How can you speak from "personal experience" with a B20 when you have a B16?

I knew this was going to happen...I just knew it. I was actually waiting for you to post exactly what you posted. Ur soooo predictable. Everytime a post or issue comes up about a B16...ur always the FIRST one to jump in and Defend it as if it's aimed toward you. You don't have to be an asshole. I didn't down talk you in anyway. If you go back and reread my post...I actually complimented you! I did say that the B16 is the BEST all around motor for the price.

So then I should go with a b20 then???????

Are you freaking kidding me? $1700 for a B20b? They are $700 from Hmotorsonline.com and every other JDM motor importer for the COMPLETE motor. They are Soooo cheap it's not even funny. I bought mine from hmotorsonline for $450 for just the head and block....cuz I wasn't going to use any of the B20 parts on it anyway. I suggest YOU do some serious researching urself...

I've done it. I've been motor shopping the whole time I've owned my car (5 years, 3 different motors). I know what the B20 costs, I always keep my eye out for a cheap B20 block but the fact of the matter is that everyone wants them, very few people have use for a 1st gen B16A so they're cheaper. Everyone and their dog wants to get on the B20VTEC boat including myself, but that doesn't make it a better dollar value than a B16.

I spent $1,800 TOTAL for my B20b swap doing it myself which included everything: Teg ECU, IM, EM, Dizzy, Sir Y1 tranny, new axles, B-series mounts, conversion linkage, every ring and seal replaced, fluids, all new nuts and bolts from HONDA/ACURA and also tons of miscellaneous parts.

I spent $1650 CDN for my B16, motor, tranny, ECU, mounts, and linkage. You've got just got to know where to shop. Look around, check local webboards in the classifieds, get to shops and talk with the owners. You're not even using the right ECU for your motor?! You've gotta get that thing to a track.

How much does it cost for a complete B16 swap? Then add mounts, and linkage, maybe some axles. What if ur distributor goes? Try finding a OBD0 JDM b16a dizzy...have fun...those things are hard to find unless you want to pay a pretty penny for them.

According to HMO the complete B16 sway is $1300 or something like it said.. Plus you have to buy mounts wich shouldn't cost more than $400, but then again you need mounts for the B20 so I don't see how they differ?! And I payed $300 (cdn) for my non-OBD B16 dizzy, rebuilt with a warantee. It didn't take me more than 2 days to locate it.

I said a CRVtec can do 13's stock....meaning without modz. Obviously you're going to have to resleeve it to avoid cracking the cylinder walls due to the higher compression created when adding a smaller vtec head. That's a given. I'm saying you don't have to build the motor in anyway besides resleeving it to run 13's. A crvtec is No more expensive than an ls/vtec. In fact it's the EXACT same thing. In all reality, a B20 is a factory bored-out LS motor. It requires the same exact parts/labor to have it running safely.

Where do you see a "stock" CRVTEC running 13s? I'm not doubting it can be done, I've seen better time from stock B16s but the car has to be damn light.. Like, not street drivable.
And an LSVTEC is cheaper than CRVTEC for the reason alone that everyone wants the 2.0 and that makes the 1.8s considerably cheaper. I see LS blocks going all the time for considerably less than $500, sometimes as cheap as $150 or so.

I HAVE done alot of research and I DO speak from experience. I HAVE a B20b in my car. How can you speak from "personal experience" with a B20 when you have a B16?

Because I've spent a LOT of my time dedicated to Hondas over the last couple of years. I know lots of guys running B20s, lots of guys running B18s, lots of guys running B16s. I've shopped because I once too got all excited about the quickness of B20VTEC, but then realized its a shitload of money to do properly.

Everytime a post or issue comes up about a B16...ur always the FIRST one to jump in and Defend it as if it's aimed toward you. You don't have to be an asshole. I didn't down talk you in anyway. If you go back and reread my post...I actually complimented you! I did say that the B16 is the BEST all around motor for the price.

None of this was ever aimed at me?! I don't see how I'm being an asshole either? Are you somehow offended by the information I've presented? C'mon you're bigger than that.. You can debate without calling names, can't you?!
I always defend the B16 because I know its the best bang for buck motor in 4th gen Civics, even you can admit it. So I don't see what the problem is when I tell the guy about the B16 and its wonderful capabilities!?

BTW - The 1700 I was quoting was for a complete B20.. Motor, tranny, ECU.

So "siz" what should i get... i def want a turbo, on what ever i get

I'm not using the right ECU for my motor? What ecu am I running? do you even know? I'm running an OBD0 PR4 and it runs the motor just fine. It does lean out slightly at high rpms but that will be fixed with the SAFC.
BTW...No hard feelings. I respect YOU and your knowledge. I just hope you do the same for me. I have been working on Hondas/acuras for 3 years now. I can't count the number of motors I've swapped...but more particularly the number of conversion harnesses I've made...I do alot of conversion harness which requires an extensive amount of knowlegde. I can honestly tell you what every sensor, pin, plug, and wire does on civics and integras. I can just look at a wires color and tell you exactly where it goes in the engine bay.

About the asshole thing...I wasn't calling you an asshole really...I just meant that everytime someone bashes the B16...ur the first one to defend it. Maybe you don't notice it, but you do...it's actually quite comical...because everytime an issue comes up about a b16 being a "torqueless wonder" or someone bashing it...ur the FIRST one to post....lol

Anyway....why would you pay 1700 for a complete b20 swap? you can't use the crv ecu, axles, or tranny anyway. I swapped over the ecu and dizzy from a 90 integra....but I will soon buy a 96-98 LS/CRV dizzy and convert it to OBD0 because the 90 teg dizzy has to be all the way advanced.

Seriously, its pretty up to you man. We all like our motors, it depends on your location and how much money you want to spend. Where are you located anyway?

Where I live here, I pay about $600 less for a B16A than other people in the states, a tonne less for B18s (like half the price), and B20s are more expensive than any of them. :p But, prices vary depending on location. I suggest if you have any local shops, go in there and start talking that you're going to spend a lot of money and have big plans. If they're cool, they'll probably try and hook you up to try and get you to spend all your money with them. Just talk to people out there, in your area.. Find out if you can get hook-ups on motors and compare prices.

The B16, B20, and B18 are all relativley simlarly matched motors. Variants are things like what tranny your using, how heavy your car is, what wheels and tires your using, what track you're on.. And so on.

Personally I like the B16A because its a quick motor to drop right in. It has compatiblity with B20, and B18 blocks (more displacement - more power) while utilizing the high topend that the B16's head is so good at making. And the B16 is cheap if you break it. Used parts are readily available (Type-R cams, intake manifolds, etc.) for nice performance gains for smaller amounts of money spent.

Shop around and see what you can get the best prices on. Obviously you want to be fast without spending more money than you have to. B16 is a nice start, and with boost they fuggin haul major ass. (as does B18s and B20s) I have two friends with turbo B16s in their 00 Si's and they just walk all over me like I'm standing still even though they have much heavier cars.

If I were in your situation I'd be finding a 1st gen B16, HAsport hydro to cable conversion mount kit, an SiR2 or GSR hydro tranny with LSD, and then boost boost boost. :)

But what do I know?

Seriously, its pretty up to you man. We all like our motors, it depends on your location and how much money you want to spend. Where are you located anyway?

Where I live here, I pay about $600 less for ...


Im Over In NJ.., im gonna have to go look into these b series ,
And if there only 600,im gonna get this done real soon , after talking to my mech at the shop, and ask wah t else i need

thankx

I'm not using the right ECU for my motor? What ecu am I running? do you even know? I'm running an OBD0 PR4 and it runs the motor just fine. It does lean out slightly at high rpms but that will be fixed with the SAFC.

Hey man, I'm just going by what you're saying. You said you're using the B18 ECU, wich isn't the B20 ECU. Is that wrong?! How much is it leaning out? That sounds kinda scary.

About the asshole thing...I wasn't calling you an asshole really...I just meant that everytime someone bashes the B16...ur the first one to defend it. Maybe you don't notice it, but you do...it's actually quite comical...because everytime an issue comes up about a b16 being a "torqueless wonder" or someone bashing it...ur the FIRST one to post....lol

I don't see how that makes me bad in any shape or form!? If you knew me in real life, you'd know that I'm all about clarifying when someone is trying to pass off false information as knowledge. I HATE it. People calling the B16 the torquless wonder is usually bandwagon haters who don't know what the fuck they are talking about. Saying its torqueless is pointless, sure my B16 probably doesn't put 100lbs-ft to the ground, but I still don't have a problem running better quarter times than my friends B20 EG. People saying things like that have little to no clue what HP actually is, instead the spout off at the mouth just repeating shit they've read some other moron on another webboard say.
I notice that I defend it a lot, because there's lots to say about it, its a damn good motor regardless of how much power it makes at 4,000rpm. Who the hell races a B16 and goes anywhere near 4,000? I like to stay above 7. :)

I can't wait till CivicHBSi91 sees this thread. Unless he already has and is just leaving it. :lol2:
Debates like this always come up. They're fun.. This is what this webboard is about, sharing information. It doesn't mean everyone always has to agree. I respect you all the same because you didn't have to be a tool and start name calling and acting stupid about me not agreeing with you.

Anyway....why would you pay 1700 for a complete b20 swap? you can't use the crv ecu, axles, or tranny anyway.

That was just the price of the motor, tranny, and ECU.. Thats how the guy was selling it, I didn't have a choice to tell him to keep all the crap I didn't need.



To the thread starter - $600 was for just the longblock, you still need ECU, axles, linkage, mount kit, and a tranny. You're prbably looking at around $12-1800 no matter wich of these motors you decide to go with. (for everything you're needing)

Anyway to have a simple answer to your question:

Buy what you can afford. A lot of people have made some nice responses. Look through em and buy something affordable, with lots of aftermarket support. Obviously any engine with a B in front will be better than one with a D :) But if you really wanna smoke people, just buy another car! The 4 banger can't touch the v6 or v8 modded.

But if you really wanna smoke people, just buy another car! The 4 banger can't touch the v6 or v8 modded.

Don't even get me started man.... :banghead:

i have one phrase:

300zx twin turbo

Anyway to have a simple answer to your question:

just buy another car! The 4 banger can't touch the v6 or v8 modded.
Sorry Man, I love this car, ive wanted a civic hatch for as long as I can remember, and now i have one :naughty:

I got it with lots of goodies for 1500, and you couldnt pay me 2 get rid of it!!
Ill have this car even after my kids graduate school,

YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DUMB ASS V-8, ALL YOUR DOIN IS GIVIN YOUR GAS MONEY 2 TERRORIST COUNTRIES, :screwy: :screwy:

Ill keep my little v-4

Now if I could just get rid of this 92 accord for 150 bucks :rofl:
wonder if i can put the accord engine in the civic, :grinno:

: P

i wouldn't trade my lil 1.6l for anything! i'll stick to racing old grandmas :P

300zx twin turbo

I'll give you one thought.

TurboBseries in a 2000lbs car and Honda reliability! OMG, run Nissan! :lol2:

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Ill keep my little v-4

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its an inline 4 or 4 cylinder…not V-4

:P i like cake!

Run nissan?

Skyline :evillol:

For the price of a 300zx twin turbo or even a skyline, you could have a crazy fast honda.

yesh ya could - wish i had enuf money for an engine swap :(

ice_x.. i know how ya feel.
im so close to getting my LS its crazy but i keep having to lay out money for dumb stuff... this is killing me

Seriously, its pretty up to you man. We all like our motors, it depends on your location and how much money you want to spend. Where are you located anyway?


Im located in Groton, Ct. On the border of RI.

And, like I said...no hard feelings...you seem pretty knowledgeable about b16s and I respect that.

Just to clarify...I didn't call it a torqueless wonder...I was just stating what other people say. I've riden in both crxs...a b20 and b16 powered. Let me tell you...they are the EXACT opposite. The B20 has so much power down low...like incredible and then just loses it past 5500k But the b16 doesn't feel any different than a D16 until it hits it's vtec point then...all i gotta say is wow...feels nice. I don't have problems taking off on b16 rexes thru 3rd gear but once a b16 rex hits the end of 3rd gear...they're pullin' on me...it's ok tho cuz I know it wouldn't take much more to stay ahead of them.

HAHAHA. I guess its pretty easy blurting out a bunch of crap you read on these forums from kids who know just as much as you.....which is about NOTHING. And like SiZ says, those b16's must of looked over and saw some riced out 240 reving at them and didn't even bother racing you. Typical ricer. Get some more hands on knowledge and then come back and then maybe you won't get ragged on.




first off, my 240 was not a riced out heap...it was gunmetal grey lowered on gunmetal 16" advans, tinted windows and a low but QUIET exhaust
no spoiler,no bodykit, no redulious graphics, HUGE wheels, no "sleepy eyed" shit


second....i have no proof i have beaten b16's, so im not going to claim that i do, all i had was a punched cat, header, catback, ported head, and intake when i beat the first one, with the second one i smashed him 2 car lengths on 7lbs boost

as far as i know the fist guy was a shitty driver?

all i know is that for the price paid for the complete swap, i was dissapointed, i would have much rather turboed my a6 for less and whooped up on all the b-series engines exept maybe the b18c5

as soon as i posted that i was like "oh shit im gonna start a war without meaning to"...i know there are MANY people that stand by the b series engines. and i apologise to you guys.

all i can say is i am a firm believer of the d series, can be much faster for the same amount of/or slightly more money.

but once again, i am just stating my opinion.....


oh, and im not a newb to the 4th gen or honda in general...
i have tuned hondas way before the "fast and the furious crowd"
if it want for the fast and the furious we wouldnt have 75% of the ricers we have in this world


anyway, back to what i was saying....i have been tuning hondas for the better part of 13 years, and im not the most knowlagable person in the world, but i do know a thing or 2 about honda and how to make an engine scream


to finish i would say....if you want to go all motor i say hell yes...go for b-series. if you want a quick car on a budget go for d series (imho)

He's not on a budget, he has a job and money. :D

Yea I dont really care about money, im just worried how long this is gonna take to do this swap, Cause my accord wont start anymore, so the civic is my daily driver...

Im guessin after all this its lookin like a b18, with an added turbo later...

And I know its a 4-cly. :loser:

How about swapping in a Mazda 13B "Wankel" rotary, cut and modify yourself a driveshaft tunnel and rwd parts... btw I don't actually have a civic with a wankel but I'm playing around with a 13b for a project car and dreaming of what it would be like to put one in my tiny 91 hatch :smokin: :evillol:

How about swapping in a Mazda 13B "Wankel" rotary, cut and modify yourself a driveshaft tunnel and rwd parts... btw I don't actually have a civic with a wankel but I'm playing around with a 13b for a project car and dreaming of what it would be like to put one in my tiny 91 hatch :smokin: :evillol:


Ok, you can go home now...

i'd swap in...a dirt bike engine....yea....

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or what about one of those turbocharged honda jetski motors?? ha ha ha

For the price of a 300zx twin turbo or even a skyline, you could have a crazy fast honda.

Wow I hate it when people say that. Sure you could make a Honda just as fast as a sports car for the cost of the sports car. But would it really be worth it, wouldnt you rather just have the sports car?

But would it really be worth it, wouldnt you rather just have the sports car?

Sometimes no. 1 being insurance... If I told my insurance I was driving a car that was as fast from the factory as mine is now, they would fuck me even harder than they are now.
2 being the fact that its fun to pick on "sports cars" in a shitty little Honda. Guys saying for the price of the ZX or Skyline you could whoop them.. I hope you could do it for 1/4 of the price. The beauty of Hondas is they're dirt cheap to buy, and not a whole lot more to make them handle, accelerate, and brake just as fast as cars worth 5X as much $ or more. They're fun.

or what about one of those turbocharged honda jetski motors?? ha ha ha
lol how big are them turbos...lol
i'll slap one on my d15b2 :grinno:

Sometimes no. 1 being insurance... If I told my insurance I was driving a car that was as fast from the factory as mine is now, they would fuck me even harder than they are now.
2 being the fact that its fun to pick on "sports cars" in a shitty little Honda. Guys saying for the price of the ZX or Skyline you could whoop them.. I hope you could do it for 1/4 of the price. The beauty of Hondas is they're dirt cheap to buy, and not a whole lot more to make them handle, accelerate, and brake just as fast as cars worth 5X as much $ or more. They're fun.

I guess i could understand insurance and price reasons. It'd be nice to have 4 seats and still attain similar speeds for a fraction of the price. I may not agree with you, but I understand...

I just prefer the idea, the prestige and the performace of a RWD sports car.

with the second one i smashed him 2 car lengths on 7lbs boost




Is your 240sx turbo'ed? If it is then yeh i believe you can beat stock b16s. I don't think you've mentioned that on your first post.





all i know is that for the price paid for the complete swap, i was dissapointed, i would have much rather turboed my a6 for less and whooped up on all the b-series engines exept maybe the b18c5



Its gonna take a lil more than a turbo a6 to beat a c5 :)

get a b18c1 or gsr engine build it and slap a turbo kit on there, get it tuned real good, you can push 400whp on pump gas but might not have traction so a better goal is around 300whp

And to think...all this time I thought the B18C1 was the GSR engine :rofl: