F355 vs S-Zero

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seen it alreadly. the other guys not use to shifting with his right arm. thats why he keeps on looking down and thats why (IMO) the NSX type S zero won.

As shown in the current SCC, the Ferrari 360 Modena F1 modified only w/springs, exhaust, and race tires kicked 9 other finely tuned cars including a Mustang w/a blower, a single turbo Supra, twin turbo upgraded 300ZX (damn it!), and a Skyline R33 GT-R.

Now I know the 355 is by no means a 360...but it's very similar...375HP vs. the 400HP...and you can get the same F1 if you so desire...but I like to hear the *snick* *snick* as the shifter goes into gear.

"I drive a ferrari"

"i drive a honda"

which would you rather say?
thought so.
F355, one of the best looking Ferrari's ever, goes like stink

cheers
jay

Both Ferrari and Honda are in Formula 1. Both make great cars. Both the F355 and NSX Zero are awesome. But I'd take the F355.

Note: with out the NSX we wouldn't have cars like the 360 Modena though.

Note: with out the NSX we wouldn't have cars like the 360 Modena though.

why do you say that? the 360 just developed from the F355 didnt it?

cheers,
jay

The NSX ushered in a new era for supercars, ones that were both seriously great in most performance categories but also user friendly and incredibly reliable. Ferrari has since focused on similar goals, which is one of the primary reasons why the 360 is so highly acclaimed.

uhh.. hello? 911?

Originally posted by crayzayjay


why do you say that? the 360 just developed from the F355 didnt it?

cheers,
jay

The NSX springs to my mind when certain cars are named. Corvette ZO6, 360 Modena, new 911...

The NSX started a new era of speed machines. It's almost like the important secrets Honda learned in Formula 1-that made the NSX- showed... or guided, manufactures a certain direction when making a sports car that's focused for a small group. Without the NSX, the Corvette would not have 405bhp and 1g/skidpad this year. Nore would a sports car concept with finese like the 360 have the thrust and cornering force it does.

The NSX was the kid that was push around in school, only used for homework... or in this case, engineerin' stealin'

:cool:

I dont really know about that....... The F355 didnt do that much less than the 360 does, and in a better body too!
i thought you meant that the NSX showed how to build a truly usable supercar, which in a way it did, if it hadnt been beaten to it by the 911.. i dont think its true to suggest the 911 stole technology from the NSX.. maybe the american cars cos i know very little about them, but definitely not the 996 or 360
im still not really sure what you were getting at...

cheers,
jay

Originally posted by crayzayjay

im still not really sure what you were getting at...

cheers,
jay


I'm not saying the 911 stole NSX tech. I'm saying without the NSX performance cars today would be different. It's really an evocative exotic. Without it, many manufactures wouldn't feel the need to make cars that 'beat' the underdog, the NSX. Ferrari has been in F1 for ages like Honda and they are the champs so I'm not hinting that they 'stole' engineering. But Ferrari, and others, stole a certain concept, or idea, that's unique to the NSX: Usable supercar, with manners, and telepathic handling. The 360 would have been less of a drivers car if Honda hadn't created the NSX. It would have been a 355 with a bigger engine and that's it. As for the 996, well, it's too mature to be a true 911, but new Porsche fans could care less.

Get it?
Yay or nay?
:cool:

yay i get it.. i see what you mean but i dont really agree, not entirely anyway. the 550 was created before the 360 and that is a driver's car. so why would the 360 have just been a bigger-engined 355? besides, theres nothing wrong with the 355. i would definitely count that as a driver's car. one thing it doesnt have is day-to-day usability, so in that case ferrari might have been pushed to make a more user-friendly car by the nsx, but thats about it, and even that doesnt stick entirely. after all, 911s have always been around, competing with ferraris, and they are exactly what you described the NSX as being: Usable supercar, with manners, and telepathic handling...
i do agree about the whole underdog thing though, i'd never given that much thought....

cheers,
jay

Originally posted by crayzayjay

i do agree about the whole underdog thing though, i'd never given that much thought....

cheers,
jay

That's my point. Other manufactures couldn't stand to see Honda make this incredible car. Before it the Japanese had no heritage of exotic/supercars, and Honda was probably the farthest from them. When the NSX was released, Ferrari and others had there buttons pushed.

:)

i hear ya, but do you think they'll ever overcome the image/exclusivity problem?
It's difficult to sell a supercar when it has the same badge on the bonnet as a $10k supermini/hatchback.... i think VW are gonna find that out very soon indeed....

cheers,
jay

Originally posted by crayzayjay
i hear ya, but do you think they'll ever overcome the image/exclusivity problem?
It's difficult to sell a supercar when it has the same badge on the bonnet as a $10k supermini/hatchback.... i think VW are gonna find that out very soon indeed....

cheers,
jay

This is very true. This is one thing I hate about Honda. They have so much potential yet they're selling econos like American manufactures are selling SUVs. I think they could use an IS300 'killer' and an M3 hunter. A front engined, rear wheel drive, sports sedan, and coupe. They can use the 3.2 from the current NSX or develop a high revving V8. Either would do the job. This would be my dream Honda (never though I'd use the words 'dream' and Honda in the same sentence)... IMHO, dispite Hondas F1 and sport bike fame, most people still see Honda as the Civic maker. I think VW has it a tiny bit easier. But like I said if Honda goes out and makes a faster IS300 that's funner than the IS300, that's backed by Honda's reliablity record, enthusiats will look at it different. Before the Lexus IS300, Toyota didn't get all of the respect it deserved IMHO.

This is what I think Honda should do:
1. advertise more of their F1 side and bike sucess
2. give Honda (NOT Acura!!!) an IS300/ 3 series killer (with a Type-R version)
3. give Acura an M3 fighter
4. give the NSX an 8 cylinder and over 350bhp already (!!!)
5. make a cheaper version of the NSX that's a V6 model (assuming they make the NSX a V8 like I think they should) that's under $35-40k.

Over here Hondas are seen as very boring cars. I for one like them but understand where this image comes from. One thing is for sure. Honda are on a par with BMW and miles ahead of Lexus when it comes to engineering excellence. The suggestions you make are certainly within Honda's ability to achieve, yet for some reason they dont seem interested in joining this game..

cheers,
jay

hey the ferrari 360 is designed by a japanese person who worked for honda before switching to ferrari.

Designed looks-wise or engineering wise?

the looks

of course the engine is original.

Originally posted by border_project
hey the ferrari 360 is designed by a japanese person who worked for honda before switching to ferrari.

Where did you hear about this?

You say that it was designed by a former Honda employee who switched to Ferrari? The 360 body wasn't even designed by Ferrari. It was designed by Pininfarina, the well known Italian design firm which has been closely related to Ferrari for the past half-century. And guess who headed the 360 Modena project? That's right, Sergio Pininfarina.

Pininfarina/Ferrari history (http://www.pininfarina.it/eng/history/360.htm)

Originally posted by crayzayjay
i hear ya, but do you think they'll ever overcome the image/exclusivity problem?
.... i think VW are gonna find that out very soon indeed....

cheers,
jay

Exactly who , would buy the W12 ot the D1 with VW badge? Yeah , you have a (f.e) 200k VW W12 , and someone with a IS200 says yeah i drive a lexus , and you say i drive a vw , and the lexus driver looks better... I would never buy a supercar or a luxury car named "pepole's car" (Volkswagen)....

Exactly who , would buy the W12 ot the D1 with VW badge? Yeah , you have a (f.e) 200k VW W12 , and someone with a IS200 says yeah i drive a lexus , and you say i drive a vw , and the lexus driver looks better... I would never buy a supercar or a luxury car named "pepole's car" (Volkswagen)....
Exactly my point.. 200k buys a Bentley. What do VW think they're doing? They already have Bentley, Bugatti, Audi and Lambo. They could make a supercar under any of these names, indeed they will make the Bugatti supercar, but VW simply won't cut it. A Bentley out-and-out sports car would be cool.

cheers,
jay