5psi turbo

is there a way to get turbo from another car and put it in the ka engine for example take a eclipse turbo and put it in the 240??? I would imagine the ecu would be a factor but what if the fuel systems are the same??? cause what I want to do is add turbo without upgrading the fuel systems (5psi) I hear is Ok for the ka engine but I would have to find a turbo that put that out any good ideas??? Remember I do not want to upgrade the fuel system ...O and one more thing how much Hp can I expect with a 5 psi set up?? Im hoping to have 215-230 hp will I need to upgrade then????

is this possable??

Ecu Has Nothing To Do With Turbos..... You Can Put Any Turbo On Any Car, You Just Have To Build A Exhaust Manifold To Suit The Turbo Flange.

Build?? or can I get one from somewhere else???

Get it made, or find one that fits.

Revhard makes one as does JGS. I just bought one on Ebay for $422 w/shipping. I didn't feel like making one because my stock exhaust manifold was scrapped. But anyways, this should help you out on your way to 5psi

http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35258

Keep in mind that this turbo is really gonna limit you pretty low. It isn't really big enough to support a lot more. If you plan on ever going to like 10psi all the time, you should just get a T3/T04 or something. That is also a very budget kit. You may get 200rwhp with a decent exhaust and filter along with a small FMIC. 5psi just isn't gonna give you big numbers especially with a small turbo like that. At least you will spool by like 2K though!

what did he mean by 50ish??? a fifty hp increase In my opinion is very good how much Hp can I expect with a 5psi set up????

and thanx

if your reasons for not upgrading the fuel system is cost, well it ainth that costly, you can use the fuel pump off a 300ZX TT or N/a, I am not sure if you can swap injectors, anyone ever tried to see if 300ZX injectors will work in a 240?????????????????

i belive the stock 240sx fuel rail can hold up to 350cc injectors b4 upgrading to a bigger fuel rail
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if your reasons for not upgrading the fuel system is cost, well it ainth that costly, you can use the fuel pump off a 300ZX TT or N/a, I am not sure if you can swap injectors, anyone ever tried to see if 300ZX injectors will work in a 240?????????????????

Actually, the stock fuel system is used by many for the 5psi setup. Stock SR20 injectors work great and are pretty easy to get. Walbro 255lph fuel pump is a good upgrade.

I want to stay as stock as possable just turbo with a 5psi setup how much Hp can I expect???

about 208 at the flywheel. Minus driveline loss, at 19%, about 169 at the wheels.

169 seems low to me

If you don't wanna put out money, you won't get power, it's not free, man.

yea i guess your right...

ok let me get this once and for all with 1 or 2k to toss around what can I do with the exsiting engine or can I get a swap??? (remember 1or2k....3 not to sure) I would like to have about 215 to 230 hp to the wheels any good ideas " Im thinking about getting "laughing gas"(Nitro) but can the enging handle that??? any good Ideas????

169 seems low to me

If you are going to say get a SR because it comes with 205hp, then forget it. It is 166whp so there isn't much of a difference, mind you this is using formulas and not dyno proven, so there could be plus or minus either way. Nitrous is very potent in the right hands, but very lethal in the wrong. It is much the same as a turbo in the sense that tuning is key. Post a different thread on nitrous and see if you get some hits. Get a compression check in the meantime just to see how well the engine you have can handle power upgrades.

ok how much would an SR engine along with turbo cost me??O and by the way I found this link on another forum the guy said they had the low prices would you agree??? http://www.totaljdm.com/index.cfm

It seems like a pretty good deal other than the fact that you have to pay for an uncut wiring harness, ignitor chip and the MAFS. I would just get one from www.srswap.com because they have been reccomended by many people on here. I have a KA-T preference though.

hmmm why do prefer the Ka-t i guessing the price for preformence ratio?? I like the ka-t but seem everyone is talking about the sr what do you think??

The SR is overrated in my opinion. The reason most prefer the SR is because most of the people on here want to drift. The SR has a nice broad powerband and a decent redline. I am a drag and street race kind of guy. I want all speed and the KA is very torquey which really delivers in the quarter. Besides that, if something on the KA breaks, I can get it very easily in the US and probably not even have to mail order it. The SR on the other hand usually requires ordering parts. IF you blow a KA engine, you can get another one from a junkyard for about $400. If you blow a SR engine, start saving and put the KA back in. If you read the FAQ, it even says in there that the KA is the engine of choice for drag racing. The price is pretty good too. I have spent about $600 so far and have a Revhard manifold and a Turbonetics wastegate on the way. I plan on running 5psi until I can upgrade the fuel system then I'm gonna turn it up to about 7 or so. I may just get a LSD.

The SR is overrated in my opinion. The reason most prefer the SR is because most of the people on here want to drift. The SR has a nice broad powerband and a decent redline. I am a drag and street race kind of guy. I want all speed and the KA is very torquey which really delivers in the quarter. Besides that, if something on the KA breaks, I can get it very easily in the US and probably not even have to mail order it. The SR on the other hand usually requires ordering parts. IF you blow a KA engine, you can get another one from a junkyard for about $400. If you blow a SR engine, start saving and put the KA back in. If you read the FAQ, it even says in there that the KA is the engine of choice for drag racing. The price is pretty good too. I have spent about $600 so far and have a Revhard manifold and a Turbonetics wastegate on the way. I plan on running 5psi until I can upgrade the fuel system then I'm gonna turn it up to about 7 or so. I may just get a LSD.

haha we agree on something lolz
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well I think drifting is kool but im more of a race guy myself so your saying the stock engine is very good as long as turbo is added to it??

most peole go for sr b/c thier ka has lots of milage and most sr has less milage so its a newer motor.
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what about a lower miles ka?

No. Any engine can be messed up by one of two things. If the engine is in bad condition, or the setup is not properly tuned. Tuning is the number one cause of engine failures. Miles aren't really the measurement for the condition of the engine. Some say that you may have good compression but the bearing might be bad. This is usually false because the cylinders undergo a lot of wear as well. But the stock engine should be safe for up to 10 psi tuned properly. Many say it is good for up to 12 on stock internals but I wouldn't pust the cast pistons if you have some miles on them. As I said before, over 5 is not attainable without injectors and fuel management. Do a compression test and see if you come up with between 155-179. I know you won't have 179, but if you have around 160, your engine is in good shape. One guy on 240sxforums had 175 after 150k. Make sure you don't have more than 14 between the cylinders.

haha we agree on something lolz
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What is that supposed to mean? I usually agree with you.lol

wow your good with cars. anyway now about this compression thing first of all im yet to get a 240sx because I lack the money but when I do is it more important to look at the miles of car or find someway to get a compression test?? (im gussing you would have to remove the engine to check oh no!) but i dont want to grab a weak Ka engine let alone an even cheap 240sx that gives me trouble what should I do??

What is that supposed to mean? I usually agree with you.lol

wopps sorrie wrong person i got you confused with some one else..
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wow your good with cars. anyway now about this compression thing first of all im yet to get a 240sx because I lack the money but when I do is it more important to look at the miles of car or find someway to get a compression test?? (im gussing you would have to remove the engine to check oh no!) but i dont want to grab a weak Ka engine let alone an even cheap 240sx that gives me trouble what should I do??

wow your good with cars.

Thanks.

anyway now about this compression thing first of all im yet to get a 240sx because I lack the money but when I do is it more important to look at the miles of car or find someway to get a compression test??

Compression is the best way, but as you can imagine miles=wear for the average person. I, like the intellegent people on this forum, make matinence the first priority. Oil changes, tune ups, constant supervision of the car while driving(listening for noises, watch rpms all the time, ect.)

(im gussing you would have to remove the engine to check oh no!)

No. All you do is remove the fuel pump fuse and start the engine to run it out of fuel, then remove a spark plug, insert the compression guage fitting into the spark plug hole, and turn the engine over for about 5-10seconds.

but i dont want to grab a weak Ka engine let alone an even cheap 240sx that gives me trouble what should I do??

Check the dipstick before anything. If it is bone dry, walk away. Test drive. While test driving, accelerate moderately and listen for noises. Ask for matinence record. Listen to the seller and his excuses. After test drive and about 5 minutes, look under the car for leaks of any kind. Don't run the A/C on the test drive b/c it will drain water afterwards and possibly throw you off (newbie, sorry). Hopefully you can drive it by yourself like I did and get on it. If the seller is confident in his car, he should let you run a compression check. If he lets you pull the spark plug and test it, look at the plug and see what color it is. White=lean, Black w/suit=rich. You want a charcoal/brown/grey color with no deposits. Also check the exhaust gases out when the car is running for any smoke. Blue=oil. White=coolant=headgasket or worse. Aftermarket parts are your decision on whether to trust the guy or not. Good luck.

The SR is overrated in my opinion. The reason most prefer the SR is because most of the people on here want to drift. I want all speed and the KA is very torquey which really delivers in the quarter.

Ok sorry bout this being off topic. But ive been pondering this for a while now. If you done the proper things for a quicker rev, and built a KA. Wouldnt a quick revving, high torque, high horsepower, iron block prove itself very nicely as a "drifting" engine? Turbocharged that is...

some good advice what did you mean by "get on it"

Ok sorry bout this being off topic. But ive been pondering this for a while now. If you done the proper things for a quicker rev, and built a KA. Wouldnt a quick revving, high torque, high horsepower, iron block prove itself very nicely as a "drifting" engine? Turbocharged that is...

If you mean high revving, then you have to choose one or the other. These are called undersquare(long stroke) and oversquare(short stroke). Those are very lamen descriptions, but you get the point. You will have to destroke it which will drop the torque sufficiently so I doubt it will work. I have heard that the KA-T as is has proved itself as a nice drifting engine. The biggest problem is the transmission has very close gear ratios and the engine has a narrow power band(gee, i wonder why they did that?lol).

some good advice what did you mean by "get on it"

Depress the accelerator. Basically see how fast the car is.

I have never driven one before if I do what should I look for do a time trial or something??

i didn't read any of the replies because this thread is too long but an ecu has nothing to do with what turbo you can use. and at 5 psi don't expect over 200 whp. i'd actually guess closer to 180 whp.

Nitrous is very potent in the right hands, but very lethal in the wrong.

just happened to click the 2nd page and noticed this. this is very true. i used to run nitrous on my s14. i was running the NX stage 1 import efi kit. with just a 50 shot, the 240 which was stock at the time except for a jic bullet catback, it put down 206 whp and 249 lb-ft of torque. it was about a 60 whp gain and almost a 100 lb-ft gain. nitrous = best bang for the buck. i went through about 15 bottles safely before i took the kit off and sold it.

Whats up jspec. Its about time I can start learning again.lol I will humor the fact that the KA24DE is making 155hp even though there are probably some miles on it. At the flywheel with 5psi, you should make 207hp. Stock, the 240 put down approximately 126whp, so with 5psi, you should have 168whp. This is using the

((14.7+boost psi)/14.7)*HP without boost=hp with boost

Jspec, don't you have a KA-T? I'm in the process right now.

I read one of jpec's threads on the ka and the sr (very interesting) jpec said its good to get a ka engine with under 60k miles for good preformence what if I get a ka with 80 to 120k miles on it can I stiil add turbo with the high miles not mention get relibility out of the car as well with the added turbo???

Compession test. The thread I posted from www.phatka-t.com had a dyno from an engine that had 114,000 miles on it, so you make the decision.

how much does it cost for one??

A compression guage? About $20 at advanced auto parts.

Hmm... Although my knowledge is a bit limited when it comes to the 240sx in your case I would say go with nitrous providing your motor is in good shape. A 50 shot should be sufficient enough. From the looks of it you are considerably new the concept of tuning. I would not reccomend you put together your own turbo kit on your car especially with your lack of experience. I stress this even MORE if this car is going to be your daily driver. If you want a turbocharged car, either have a kit profesionally installed and tuned, or get the SR20DET swap professionally installed.. Turbocharging your car can be one of the biggest pains in the ass ever. Now if this going to be a project car, have at it, it would be a great way to learn, but don't ever expect things to go smoothly and without error.

so your saying I could do the compression test myself or should I take the car somewhere??

about the plast guy Im learning and thats why im here sounds like you have experence turbo charging a car that did not go so good the first time around hmmm??

What I am saying is that don't jump into something you don't know much about. Yes experience is the best way to learn, but do you want to take a chance at being out of your source of trasnportation for an extended period of time?

how bout a t25 or t28 from a silvia

i don't know much bout cars but my bro has a pulsar with a u12 bluebird engine hes got a t25 spools up quick round 3k

but if ur running a turbo with 5psi ur power band will be short won't it
why don't u run 7psi
fuel pump should be able to handle it

well thats all i know

What I am saying is that don't jump into something you don't know much about. Yes experience is the best way to learn, but do you want to take a chance at being out of your source of trasnportation for an extended period of time?

This is a given, but he makes a very good point.

how bout a t25 or t28 from a silvia

From what I have heard, the T25 will choke the engine out in high rpms, so I don't know how it would work. I personally wouldn't use one. On a KA, the T25 would probably spool up around 1.5-2k so you wouldn't have much lag.

A T3 would work just fine.

A T3 is good if you don't plan to do over 7psi or so. If you want to upgrade later, I recommend a T3/T4 or straight T4.

hey about my other queston (so your saying I could do the compression test myself or should I take the car somewhere??) anyway I could run 7psi without risking anything I had no idea is it true??

You can do the compression test yourself. You can run 7psi on the stock internals, given the engine is in good condition, but you have to upgrade the injectors and get a safc or get a FMU. Your powerband will not be short with a T3/ T4. It would be very short with a T25. I've heard that the T3 kinda tapers off around 4.5-5k which is why I'm going with the T3/T4. If you do go with a T3, get one off a Z31

did you do one??

If you don't want to do it yourself take it into a mechanic, they'll probably charge you about 40 dollars.

how often do people do compression checks before they buy a used car?? but even though compresssion could there still could be other problems. what if I take it to a mech and ask him to look at and tell me if its worth buying have him do the compression check etc etc... would that be the best way?? I would imagine they would charge for more.

Yes there can still be other problems, its a 240.lol But having a "good" mechanic look at it is always a positive investment. The compression check will only tell you what kind of condition the engine is in.

well I see you put the word good in quotes what would be your defention of a "Good" mech???

A wise one. Don't take it to Bubba's car fixin place. Take it to a well repped preferrably import repair shop.

man there was a Bubba's car fixen place down my street o well J/K well i just hope im not going to get a lemon

Get the VIN and check it out at Carfax or something.

what was your experence buying your 240sx any regrets about anything??