r/s or z28

me and my brother always see those 80s camaros and we where debating on the engine size which is bigger the r/s or the z28? i always thiought that the z28 was a 302 and the r/s a 350 but like i have said in other posts i dont know camaros.

It depends on the year. Initially Z-28s had 302s for SCCA T/A homologation. In 1970 they got 350s. Later Z-28s could have low performance 305s or 350s. None of the 1980s Z-28s performed well, even with the TPI 350. But, of-course, in 1993 they got the LT1 350 and performance was back.

The R/S package was not an engine option package.

Agreed. The R/S was always an appearance package. True, from 1967-1969, a RS could have a bigger engine than a Z28, but from 1970 on, the Z28 always had the same or bigger engine than a RS.

the z28 has a 350 in it stock, while the rs has a 305 or smaller motor in it...the rs is for the looks of the body kit and rims

CMsecretary, why don't you read the previous posts to this thread -- and if you want to add something, make sure it is CORRECT information!

well thanks for the help do you know if the 80's z/28 could take my bros 90 eclipse runing 15 psi with full exaust? just wondering i think the rs's look pretty nice but id rather have a firebird.

Hey 1g1yy...My information is 100% correct considering I drive a 92 Camaro Rally Sport(305)...one of the members of Carolina Muscle Drives a 92 Camaro Z28(350), and another one drives 02 Camaro Z28 (LS1-350), and one drives a 82 Camaro Z28(350)...go to your local parts store or library, pick up a book about cars and learn something... :banghead: mad yet?

A few things I would have to know to predict that race...Automatic or Standard...1/4, 1/8th...or other distance? The camaro could have alot done to it...so watch out...you have to know a lot of stuff to predict

Hey CMsecretary, your info is not 100% correct -- you are the one who needs to read up on cars. Sometimes a bit of personal experience does not give you COMPLETE knowledge about a subject! I had a couple of eighties Z-28s and guess what? Both had 305s in them stock!! Oh, and you can start your studying-up right here on this forum by reading the section on Z-28s. Most later eighties Z-28s came with 305s not 350s! I know this because when I went to look for my third one I had to look at a lot of cars before I found what I wanted -- and even then it was not a Z-28, but an '88 T/A GTA with the TPI 350. T/As also mostly came with 305s.

Again, if you want to add something make sure it is correct info. It is not foolish to not know something -- but it is foolish to think you know it all when it is obvious you don't!

hey guys dont go jumpin on eachothers backs i just wanted some info but if you fell the need to argue untill someone gets really pissed of, more power to you i could use a good :lol:

CMsecretary, why don't you read the previous posts to this thread -- and if you want to add something, make sure it is CORRECT information!

WHEN U SAY U'D RATHER A FIREBIRD ARE U COMPARING IT 2 THE CAMARO OR ECLIPSE & WHAT YR?

Camaro R/S means "Camaro Really Slow" and Z28 is the performance Camaro, 28 is the top speed.

If you have a '67 'Cuda you shouldn't be worrying about these cars. The only thing I worry about is if the guy in the next car is gonna blow his motor up and a piston comes through that rusty Fisher body and spoils my car...

Hey, Bleeddodge, a '67 Cuda is neither a pony car nor a muscle car. :grinno: It is simply a sporty 60s economy car. :iceslolan It is one of the cars we used to laugh at in the sixties because some guys would "rice" them out and think they had something!! :loser: Usually they would jack the rear up and put glass packs on. :lol2:

slothboy i was wondering if a camaro could beat my bros eclipes. i just prefer the firebird body style from the 80's

bleed dodge thats some funny stuff right there 28 top speed :lol:

and 1g1yy fuck you ok dont make fun of my car because yor incicure or something. you probably like your rice more than your muscle. and i dont think its possible to rice out a muscle car and for your info the barracuda was the first pony car. it came out two weeks before the mustang. your on my shit list now :sly:

The Mustang was the first pony car -- why do you think they call them "pony" cars? Mustang -- pony Get it?

As for being on your shi. list, well my post wasn't even aimed at you -- I was razzing BleedDodge because of his post! Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you -- I meant to offend BleedDodge. :biggrin:

As for me liking rice -- only Uncle Bens! :lol:

hey do some reasearch the guda came out 2 weeks before the mustang. and dont go jumpin on bleeddodge because camaros werent fast. i know why you hate us soo bad its because you got your ass wompt by a mopar didnt you. so know your bitter because they are faster arent you. you have issue im sorry there just isnt any other way to say it

R/s,z28,ss And So On Are The Models. All This Insures Is (pending Yr.) Is What Kind Of Options & Features You Can Expect.is It A Luxery Car,sporty,does It Have A Special Option? The Yr.make & Model Defines A Specific Feature. Cars Are Like People Pending Yr.make & Model You Know What To Expect!

Before I Can Answer That Question I Need Specifics. The Name Of The Car Don't Mean Shit. Its Drive Train,suspenion,modification, Timely Maintenence & The Person Behind The Wheel. My Roommate Owns A 93 300z Twin Turbo! He Was Able To Stay Side By Side W/ A Vette. Knowing What A Car Can Do And Handle.understanding Its Performance & What All Those Numbers Mean Will Let You Know What A Close Race Is. TAKE THE VETTE & THEIR BIGGEST MISTAKE. 1980 25TH ANN.ED.THEIR FIRST FIBERGLASS BODY.8CYL NO BALLS.TRAVELING ON THE HIGHWAY YOU DON'T WANT TO PUSH IT.HITTING THE TEETH OF THE HIWY AT 50 THE CAR LIFTS&SHIFTS.I COULD BEAT THAT IN MY JEEP!

It's obvious that you guys are a bunch of kids who know as little about cars as you do about spelling and english grammer. If you paid attention once in a while instead of wanting to play your silly one-upmanship childish games, you might learn something.

Im Sure Because You're Probably In Your Mid To Late Forties And You've Been Working On Cars Way Before I Was Even Thought Of Makes You More Knowledgable.all You Facts Are Straight. Both You And Mpbody Throw Out "specific" & "factual" Data.your Presentations Woo Me. In This Yr.this Car Came W/ This And That Had...and Its Part # Was ... I'd Believe Some Of Your Statements Too If I Did'nt Know Better. Wow! This Guy Must Really Know What He's Talking About He Even Knows The Part #.

It's obvious that you guys are a bunch of kids who know as little about cars as you do about spelling and english grammer. If you paid attention once in a while instead of wanting to play your silly one-upmanship childish games, you might learn something.


i thought this was a place of peace where i could get away from ass holes like yourself constantly puting people down :mad: not cool . and hey some times i dont hit the right key. and go to musclecarclub look up the 'cuda and there it is and i quote "The Plymouth Barracuda was the first pony car, debuting two weeks before the Ford Mustang." straight from the page and yes i am a kid i am only 15 i come here to read up on my favorite thing in the world so i can learn how to rebuild, repair and restore(the three R's i do pay atention in school :iceslolan ) the muscle car but if you want to constantly put me and others down i was odiviously mistaken about the site, i shall not return good bye too all of you who have been cool bleedDodge, slothboy and the moderators. as for you 1g1yy hope you feel really proud for putting down a 15 year old and his '67 'cuda makes you fell really big doesnt it.

Aw, poor baby!! Now you're making a play for sympathy. And I guess telling a fifteen year old to grow up would be a waste of time.

Look, if you reread this thread you will see that I was just trying to answer your question -- and then others who don't know what they are talking about chimed in trying to razz me. So I responded in kind. I never resorted to cursing you, as you did me.

As for what I said about 'Cudas, everything I said was accurate. It was only after the Mustang that they, in retrospect, were also called pony cars. And because with the 273 they were painfully slow, most of us who were around in the sixties never really respected them till the 1970 'Cuda and Challenger came out. I am not trying to put you down by stating this: If you see this as a put down then you are showing your immaturity. (I would have given my left n.. to own a '67 'Cuda when I was 15!! Or, actually ANY car at all.)

And if you will reread your post at the top of this page it should be obvious to even you that you are resorting to childish means of trying to put me down.

In the end this thread once again illustrates that it is useless to try to tell someone something they don't want to hear. As old as I am, I should have learned this lesson long ago!

It's obvious that you guys are a bunch of kids who know as little about cars as you do about spelling and english grammer.

Maybe you should go back to the days when you were a kid and learn how to spell the word *grammar* before knocking the way other people spell. It is spelled with an "a" not an "e".

I'm 24yrs. Old Im Young,but Not A Kid. I'm Also A Well Educated Female, Who Taught English For A Short Time! I Understand That Some Of My Questions May Seem Silly To You Or For That Matter My Answers. I Assure You That I Ask These Questions For A Reason. Every Q? Gives Specific Details About The Cars Make-up. Even Q: That May Seem Silly Have A Impact. I Know This Because I've Been The Mngr.of A Junkyard For 5yrs. I Have Detailed & Specific Knowledge About Cars That The General Public ,body Shops,mechanics Even Auto.teachers Don't Have Axcess Too! Like I Said Before, I Do My Research. I Post My Answers Based On Facts Not Theories!

Hey, Bleeddodge, a '67 Cuda is neither a pony car nor a muscle car. :grinno: It is simply a sporty 60s economy car. :iceslolan It is one of the cars we used to laugh at in the sixties because some guys would "rice" them out and think they had something!! :loser: Usually they would jack the rear up and put glass packs on. :lol2:
The Mustang was the first pony car -- why do you think they call them "pony" cars? Mustang -- pony Get it?

As for being on your shi. list, well my post wasn't even aimed at you -- I was razzing BleedDodge because of his post! Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you -- I meant to offend BleedDodge. :biggrin:

As for me liking rice -- only Uncle Bens! :lol:

Nowhere did I state that a 'Cuda was a pony car or muscle car. I don't agree with that anyhow. I don't know why you're trying to offend me, but I'm not bothered by that so whatever...

I'm 24yrs. Old Im Young,but Not A Kid. I'm Also A Well Educated Female, Who Taught English For A Short Time!
I would have never guessed.

:22yikes: Ok, you got me CMsecretary!!

EXXXXXCELLENT...MUAHHAHA! :devil:

Firstly, I was a bit confused because I thought you all were talking about 1st generation Camaros, where the RS was an appearance package and the Z/28 was a Trans-Am racing homologation package, including the racing engine. There was at least one RS-Z/28 built, although why anyone would want to put the extra weight of an RS package on what is basically a racing package is beyond me. There were rather more RS-SS Camaros, which make sense as the SS engine's power delivery was better for the street and could handle the extra weight better.

Secondly, wasn't there a Barracuda 340 in '67? Or did they start making that in '68?

Finally, I Shudder To Think That An English Teacher Would Capitalize Every Word In A Sentence! What An Appaling State The Education System Must Be In!

Not to jump into the flame war or anything, but the Barracuda is considered the first pony car, considering it has the same long hood/short deck proportions that define pony cars, even though it wasnt called a pony car until the mustang.

Also, the mustang was named after the P51 fighter from WWII, not the horse. And the '65 Cuda Formula S 273 4spd can run a 15.9sec 1/4 mi and keep up with a 289 Mustang of the same year pretty easily.

Just my 2 cents

And what was the P-51 named after???

As for performance -- those cars were all slow!

:2cents: :2cents:

BLAST!! Looks like you got me there 1g1yy, good job. All I know is the folks who named the stang were thinking of the plane at the time (at least thats what ive read).

Whoa whoa whoa, This forum doesn't generally get this kind of childish bickering people.... Look if you guys wanna give someone shit do it with PM's, but keep it out of the forums, and if you're 15 and just learning about cars, generally it's a good idea to take in all the advice or knowledge from someone who actually knows and has been there, instead of flaming him like an immature little brat. If you're that disapointed in the forums, then fine, leave and be one of the many immature punks who can't take constructive criticism do. Show some respect for the original hot rodders.

Whoa there, dude. If that was directed at me, then you are the one that needs to relax. I'm not flaming anybody, and I'm not bickering. I was simply stating what I heard about the origins of the pony car, and 1g1yy obviously disagrees with me, but so what? Isn't that the point of these forums? To discuss muscle cars? I don't think 1g1yy thinks I'm flaming him, hell, I even conceded that he was right!

1969 first year the z28 got the 350 motor. 1982 to
1987 305 was the standard. 1988 to 1992 you had the choice of two motors, the 305 and the 350 for the 3rd generation f-body. i hope that clears things up a bit.

From '67 through '69 the only engine available for the Z-28s was the 302. 1970 was the first year for the 350 in the Z-28. Anyone who knows anything about Z-28s knows this! :2cents:

Oh, and samblob, there were a lot of RS Z-28s in 1969.

O.K. ... I wonder why...

From '67 through '69 the only engine available for the Z-28s was the 302. 1970 was the first year for the 350 in the Z-28. Anyone who knows anything about Z-28s knows this! :2cents:

YOU ARE RIGHT, WHAT I MEANT TO SAY IS THAT IT WAS AVAILABLE AS AN RS OPTION AND NOT THE Z28. BUT THANKS FOR POINTING OUT MY MISTAKE. NOBODYS PERFECT.

Sorry, you are wrong again (not that it really matters). The SS option is what you meant. The RS option was basically an appearance package with hideaway headlights, etc.

My best friend owned two '69 Z-28s, both RS's. The RS package didn't really add that much weight -- but it did improve the looks of the car. Z-28s were not drag strip terrors -- most ran in the low 14s at about 101 or 102 mph. And that was with headers, recurved distributor, etc. My friend said his first Z-28 ran in the high 13s. I never saw it run at the strip, but I did go with him several times when he ran the second one he owned, and it never broke into the 13s. They were great road race cars, though -- at the time. :2cents: