Laguna Seca Battle

Who'd win around Laguna Seca...since alot of us know the course and it's turns from GT2/GT3...?

Sidenote: Slicks permitted...but NO MODIFICATIONS to suspension, drivetrain, or engine...minus the tires...compare them BONE STOCK!

Noble without a doubt. It is the most pure track car on that list. It outperfoms the regular modena easilly and even the stradale would have trouble with it.


PS. I presume you are talking about the newest model of Noble the M12 GTO-3R

Noble without a doubt. It is the most pure track car on that list. It outperfoms the regular modena easilly and even the stradale would have trouble with it.


PS. I presume you are talking about the newest model of Noble the M12 GTO-3R

:iagree:

It's all about the Noble on this one.

noble or the 911.

^^british power, yeah baby!

The lap time ranking would go as follows.

1: Noble M12 GTO - purist mid-engine race chassis with hot blooded American V8 power.

2: Ferrari 360 Modena - not quite the grunt or grip of the Noble, but an agile little beast that floats from corner to corner.

3: 911 Turbo - AWD and a bunch of electronic whizbang crap sure looks good on the autobahn, but only the Porsche's grunt and natural agility saves it from being embarassed by cars costing 50K + and less.

4: Vette Z06 - Top notch chassis and gutsy engine are let down by hard compound run flats that have too little stick and too small of a contact patch. Still, it's within a few tenths of the 100K+ club that holds the top three spots.

5: Lamborghini Gallardo - as with every Lambo, this car remains clumsy and awkward in successive corners. A ton of power from that boisterous V10 gets it going, and huge brakes gets it stopping, but start throwing her through the corners and this bull turns into a cow.

6: Lotus Elise 190 - With the hot Toyota engine, it's featherweight body, and radically grippy chassis, the Elise eats up tight corners like Turn 11 and the Andretti Hairpin in ways that the bigger supercars only dream of, but we're still talking only 180hp so those straightaways and the uphill climb to the Corkscrew leave the Elise wishing it were an Exige.

7th (tie): Subaru WRX STi and Lancer Evolution VIII - This pair is so close it comes down to semantics to separate them. However, it takes little effort to realize that Seca is an oversteer/agility course and neither of these cars in USDM trim fights their natural understeer well enough to hang with MR and FR sports cars. It takes a lot of reliance on the AWD systems to get the cars to pull out of the corners instead of powering through them, and with only 280 and 300hp respectively, bringing these tuner sedans to a supercar showdown is like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Only the Elise has less, and it weighs somewhere near 2/3rds of what the pair weighs.

I firmly believe that these would be the results you'd see.

1: Noble M12 GTO - purist mid-engine race chassis with hot blooded American V8 power.

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Still, it's within a few tenths of the 100K+ club that holds the top three spots.



I agree with your list. But I think you just mixed up the Noble with the Mosler.

You're right, Noble uses a turbo Ford Duratec engine.

Ah well, I take comfort in the fact that I know a Mosler MT900 Photon would wax the floor with the whole lot of those cars. :biggrin:

You're right, Noble uses a turbo Ford Duratec engine.

Ah well, I take comfort in the fact that I know a Mosler MT900 Photon would wax the floor with the whole lot of those cars. :biggrin:


and the noble is quite a bit cheaper than the mosler. You can get it here at less than 80K USD.

And I fully agree, the mosler would dominate. Heck its basically a pure le mans race car that somehow they managed to get to pass inspections.

The Noble will simply walk the rest of them with no real problem. The car is all about track bred performance.

The cars will follow in this order
2. 360 CS
3. 911 Turbo
4. Z06
5. Gallardo
6. Elise
7. WRX
8. Evo

Oh wait, that's the same as Layla's list :uhoh:

1. Noble M12 GT03-R
2. 360 Challenge Stradale
3. Gallardo - one of the fastest cars around the TG track, we're talking 340bhp/ton here!!
4. 996 Turbo
5. Z06
6. 360 Modena
7. Elise 190
8. WRX
9. Shitsubishi EVO

hmm,
why the 911 turbo and not the GT3 RS?
or even just the GT3?

anyway, are you guys getting the nobles that side of the pond?

hmm,
why the 911 turbo and not the GT3 RS?
or even just the GT3?

anyway, are you guys getting the nobles that side of the pond?



Yes but to skip the retarted legalisation process, they are selling it as kit car. So you buy the car and the engine separatelly. Not really a problem since any decent shop can drop the engine in for you.

The total cost, I believe, its somewhere below 80K USD

hmm, in kit car form...
so does that mean you can get an old style body (which i think looks better) and buy one of the newer engines?
y'know, mix and match style?
or is it just 'kit' in name?

hmm, in kit car form...
so does that mean you can get an old style body (which i think looks better) and buy one of the newer engines?
y'know, mix and match style?
or is it just 'kit' in name?


Its a kit just in name. When all is said and done you are still getting the latest version.

However if you can get your hand on an old body style and the new turbo duratec fits in, you might still be able to mix and match.

er...
actually the latest noble would be the M400.
or is that one still in testing?
i know the convertible is on it's way too.....

but i get your point.

I'm pretty much in the same boat as everybody else. The Noble should sweep the floor without a problem. Between the Modena, Z06, and 996 things get harder to determine, but I would put them in this order: 996, Modena, Z06. Still I would like to make it clear that they all would be very close to each other. Then the Gallardo over the Elise due to the Elise's lack of power and torque it will need in certain parts of the coarse. And last but not least, the Evo barely (and I mean barely) edging out the Sti.

All in all, this would be a fun race to watch in knowing that some of these cars pair up so well against each other. Put the camera in the Noble and we could watch the entire thing. :biggrin: