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something to ask yourself


driftu
07-03-2004, 04:34 PM
this maybe a repost, sorry if it is.

here are a few questions to ask yourself about 9/11

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911q.html

Hyatus
07-03-2004, 11:13 PM
no news to me, "They" knew something was going to happen. and i did belive they shot down the penn. plane but didnt want to admit it to the public. This is why we need Bush Corperation out of office.

chaser29
07-04-2004, 12:34 AM
Same old news

Pick
07-04-2004, 03:31 PM
Even if it is partisan politics, it is absurd to say that the Bush Adminstration purposefully allowed 9/11 to happen.

driftu
07-04-2004, 03:59 PM
Even if it is partisan politics, it is absurd to say that the Bush Adminstration purposefully allowed 9/11 to happen.


WHY?

werwolf-23
07-04-2004, 05:20 PM
Even if it is partisan politics, it is absurd to say that the Bush Adminstration purposefully allowed 9/11 to happen.

It's true, whoever really did it might've left the White House in the dark... I truly do have major issues with the official story of what happened on that day. Most of them highlighted in that 911 Questions thing posted at the top of the thread.

Wonder what 'shocking' 'terror' attack's gonna happen when Kerry's in? I'm betting San Francisco or Hawaii.

driftu
07-04-2004, 05:28 PM
It's true, whoever really did it might've left the White House in the dark... I truly do have major issues with the official story of what happened on that day. Most of them highlighted in that 911 Questions thing posted at the top of the thread.

Wonder what 'shocking' 'terror' attack's gonna happen when Kerry's in? I'm betting San Francisco or Hawaii.


yeah i think LA next largest city after newyork. large minority population.
plus they need to be brought back down to earth.

YogsVR4
07-04-2004, 06:40 PM
The tin foil hat society. Or was that the flat earthers? :disappoin













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driftu
07-04-2004, 06:47 PM
and yet no answers to any of the questions that my post asked. :banghead:

YogsVR4
07-04-2004, 10:34 PM
You've gotten answers - they're just not the ones you were hoping for.













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driftu
07-04-2004, 10:49 PM
You've gotten answers - they're just not the ones you were hoping for.


well i am interested. i am more then willing to admit i was wrong if someone can prove it to me.

but you won't help change my mind or any one elses with bs like this

"The tin foil hat society. Or was that the flat earthers?"

werwolf-23
07-04-2004, 11:19 PM
The tin foil hat society. Or was that the flat earthers?

I'd like to agree, but I cannot shake the suspicion that another 9/11 will take place on Kerry's watch, shockingly around the time that the Congress will be looking at the

Universal National Service Act! (anyone feel a draft?)

Senate version: http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:S.89:

House: http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:

which, you'll notice, has not been shot down but merely stuck in the legislative 'freezer' of a subcommittee. If this happens, everyone owes me a beer! (assuming none of us get killed by the 'terrurusts' or 'Iranians' or 'North Koreans' or whoever it'll be)

Pick
07-04-2004, 11:53 PM
and yet no answers to any of the questions that my post asked. :banghead:
You posted no argument. You slapped a link up there that required no work on your part, and wanted us to argue with it. It required no brain-power or high-thinking on your part to put that up there.

driftu
07-05-2004, 12:13 AM
your right that post was easy as sin to put up.
that makes no difference. i wanted to hear peoples opinion on what it stated. and all i hear from the so called right wingers is shit like this
"tin foil hat society".

i want yogs, instead of belittling the people on this thread try answering some of these questions. we may of got them before but a little refresher never hurt any one.

and if you got some i would like to hear your opinion aswell.

carrrnuttt
07-05-2004, 01:37 AM
driftu: The Bush administration comes up with more questions than his apologists can keep up with - give 'em time to come up with something, 'k?

YogsVR4
07-05-2004, 11:57 AM
I'm sorry. I'm still waiting on the explanations of why the Titanic watchman didn't have his binoculars. It was clearly a conspiracy. So far nobody's shown me the proof that it wasn't.

To many people around here throw out wild accusations or post links to oultandish theories and then expect those that disagree to prove it wrong. When in fact those same people have not shown any supporting evidence to back up those theories (other then sites that regurgitate the exact thing)













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Pick
07-05-2004, 12:18 PM
:1:

carrrnuttt
07-05-2004, 02:16 PM
I'm sorry. I'm still waiting on the explanations of why the Titanic watchman didn't have his binoculars. It was clearly a conspiracy. So far nobody's shown me the proof that it wasn't.

To many people around here throw out wild accusations or post links to oultandish theories and then expect those that disagree to prove it wrong. When in fact those same people have not shown any supporting evidence to back up those theories (other then sites that regurgitate the exact thing)
Yogs, what was posted were questions. They might have implied something, but they were not direct statements of a conspiracy, or anything. Why should you have to prove, when you are simply asking a question?

The author wasn't trying to prove anything. He was trying to get people to ask the questions for themselves, and to prove, or dis-prove the questions on their own. Fact of the the matter is, some of the questions are direct to the administration, and they have yet to come up with a clear answer, if at all.

What alarms me, is the fact that an obviously intelligent person like you, is so wrapped-up in being an apologist for your chosen candidate, that it hasn't hit you how bad it is that such questions that were presented can even be asked in seriousness, and so many of them.

You sit there, and basically "pooh-pooh" what was presented as some kook's agenda, yet you have never bothered thinking about - much less exploring the questions asked. Afraid of the answers you might find?

Remember, all that's needed is ONE. ONE question with the wrong or crooked answer, and it justifies the asking of all of them.

BTW, how would you feel, if these questions were being asked of a Democratic President? Would you be less-inclined to "pooh-pooh" then, you think? How did you feel about the sites that asked a million questions of Clinton (can you say Whitewater?). Did you dismiss those too?

driftu
07-05-2004, 05:17 PM
To many people around here throw out wild accusations or post links to oultandish theories and then expect those that disagree to prove it wrong. When in fact those same people have not shown any supporting evidence to back up those theories (other then sites that regurgitate the exact thing)

what theaories, these are questions. you said we already got answers. well i haven't heard em yet. you don't need evidence to ask a question.
i could of asked all these my self but i happen to come a cross i nice list of every thing i wanted to ask and few others.

again if you have answers try enlighting us rather then belittling us.

werwolf-23
07-06-2004, 04:33 AM
I'm sorry. I'm still waiting on the explanations of why the Titanic watchman didn't have his binoculars. It was clearly a conspiracy. So far nobody's shown me the proof that it wasn't.


But... they're just questions. No theory involved here, just questions to ask one's self.

To many people around here throw out wild accusations or post links to oultandish theories and then expect those that disagree to prove it wrong. When in fact those same people have not shown any supporting evidence to back up those theories (other then sites that regurgitate the exact thing)

Yeah -- those kind of people piss me off too.

"It is strange that some seem to want to put the burden of proof on us. The burden of proof ought to be on him, to prove he has disarmed, to prove he no longer poses a threat to peace and security." -- Rummy

"In addition to declaring and destroying all of its weapons of mass destruction, Iraq must end its support for terrorism. It must cease the persecution of its civilian population. It must stop all illicit trade outside the oil-for-food program. And it must release or account for all Gulf War personnel, including an American pilot, whose fate is still unknown.

By taking these steps, and only by taking these steps, the Iraqi regime has an opportunity to avoid conflict." -- Dubya

And I'm a little worried about these guys:

None of you believe the president when he says their is proof he has these weapons. You wont believe him or you'd make other excuses when the evidence sits right in front of you.

Its not up to us to prove Saddam has weapons, it is up to the U.N. and Saddam to prove he doesn't.

Sorry... I couldn't help myself :evillol:

taranaki
07-06-2004, 08:45 AM
I'm surprised that anyone is still chasing these shadows.There's more than enough concrete evidence out there to satisfy most of the civilised world that this misadministration needs replacing at all levels without trying to create more.

YogsVR4
07-06-2004, 09:37 AM
BTW, how would you feel, if these questions were being asked of a Democratic President? Would you be less-inclined to "pooh-pooh" then, you think? How did you feel about the sites that asked a million questions of Clinton (can you say Whitewater?). Did you dismiss those too?

I feel the exact same way - regardless of the party affiliation.

There is quite a distinction between what happened on 9/11 and Whitewater. But in either case, the bulk of the questions are phrased to insinuate that something was allowed to happen.

So I'll spend five minutes of my life them.

1. Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?
- When did the US start running fighter patrols over the entire US? At what point did jet commanders learn that those specific flights were terrorist attacks?

2. Why did Ashcroft stop flying commercial, citing an unidentified "threat" in July 2001?
- Perhaps because he recieved a threat. Thats the whole point - there was a threat and he's a target.

3. Why were there no photos or videos of the Pentagon plane?
- There are photos. There are videos.

4. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of the classroom?
- Why were they supposed to?

5. Where was George H. W. Bush at the time of the attacks?
- Didn't the previous question just point out the classroom? :rolleyes:

6. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the flights all use the term boxcutters?
- Perhaps because they used boxcutters :disappoin What else do you call them?

7. Where are the flight recorders?
- At the moment I don't know. But I can't tell what the question wants either. Either the recorders were found and their current whereabouts isn't known or they were destroyed on impact. My lack of knowledge doesn't indicate a conspiracy.

8. Why were the FISA warrants discontinued?
- I don't know what these.

9. How did Bush see the first plane crash on live camera?
- This is a perfect example of a loaded question. It implies that he did see the plane crash live. There is no evidence for this and considering that he was in the classroom at the time, he must have shown it to all the kids too :disappoin

10. Why was security meeting scheduled for 9/11 cancelled by WTC management on 9/10?
- Meeting can't be cancelled?! Wow. Now thats something that never happens.

11. How did they come up with the "culprits" so quickly?
- After the attack, I'd expect the resources of the US government and airline industry to quickly go through the combined hundred+ passengers in short order and get a handle on who might have done it.

12. How did they find the terrorist's cars at the airports so quickly?
- Once you have a list of passengers, a few thousand agents can locate a handful of cars.

13. Why did Shrub dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force?
- Another example of the partisen style of these questions. "Shrub" indeed :disappoin.

14. Why the strange pattern of debris from Flight 93?
- There was nothing strange about the patterns.

15. Why was no plane seen at the Pentagon?
- There is debree of a plane at the Pentagon.


Ok. Thats enough. The site is full of loaded questions as I pointed out before. They're not even as creative as the ones questioning the moon landings.













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driftu
07-06-2004, 03:49 PM
thank you yogs. that is all i wanted.

werwolf-23
07-06-2004, 09:00 PM
I feel the exact same way - regardless of the party affiliation.

There is quite a distinction between what happened on 9/11 and Whitewater. But in either case, the bulk of the questions are phrased to insinuate that something was allowed to happen.

So I'll spend five minutes of my life them.


(Answers that I agree with will not be quoted :D)
- When did the US start running fighter patrols over the entire US? At what point did jet commanders learn that those specific flights were terrorist attacks?

They don't. And they don't need to. A 767 is topping out at 900kmh at high altitude (higher=faster), whereas an F-16 cruises at 1,500 (and they used F-15s on 9/11, with low-altitude speed of 1,875). NORAD doctrine requires all errant or non-responding aircraft to be intercepted (http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf), set before 9/11, just like they did with golfer Payne Stewart's plane (http://emperor.vwh.net/9-11backups/abclearjet.htm) when contact was lost with him. The FAA, btw, must notify NORAD for intercept within 30 minutes of losing contact with a pilot (http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/ATC/Chp10/atc1001.html#10-1-1) -- go see if they did! (They didn't) Who got fired over that? Answer: NOBODY.

3. Why were there no photos or videos of the Pentagon plane?
- There are photos. There are videos.

Cool. I'll send ya a buck if you can post a link. But then, to argue that anything but a plane hit the Pentagon's just ridiculous.

4. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of the classroom?
- Why were they supposed to?

Well, yes. When two planes have slammed into the WTC, there are at least 2 other hijacked planes floating around, America is clearly under attack by God knows who and God knows what else they're planning, and the President is at a PUBLIC PHOTO-OP, it's not like it would be hard to kill him. You get him the hell out of there! You don't wait until he's finished reading My Pet Goat and then making a speech. Unless you have other information...

5. Where was George H. W. Bush at the time of the attacks?
- Didn't the previous question just point out the classroom? :rolleyes:

Read it again -- George H. W. Bush, the father of Dubya and a guy who does (or at least used to until November 2001) lots of business with the Bin Ladins. (http://www.rense.com/general14/WSJbushsenior.htm)

7. Where are the flight recorders?
- At the moment I don't know. But I can't tell what the question wants either. Either the recorders were found and their current whereabouts isn't known or they were destroyed on impact. My lack of knowledge doesn't indicate a conspiracy.

I think we're missing the point of these questions...They aren't a test, unless you work at NORAD or the FAA We're supposed to go research and learn the answer, noAnd yeah, where ARE those flight recorders? I mean, pulling 'em out of WTC would be understandably difficult, but... Pentagon, Pennsylvania? They're somewhere.

8. Why were the FISA warrants discontinued?
- I don't know what these.
The questions are supposed to make you think and go find out the answer for yourself! Go look 'er up! But, in brief:
FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) warrants allow wiretapping, surveillance, etc of any kind against foreign intelligence agents or terrorist cells in the US. After PATRIOT passed, they were expanded across the States, but for some unknown reason, the entire program was discontinued after October 2002.

9. How did Bush see the first plane crash on live camera?
- This is a perfect example of a loaded question. It implies that he did see the plane crash live. There is no evidence for this and considering that he was in the classroom at the time, he must have shown it to all the kids too :disappoin

'And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."' - George W Bush

The problem is, he definitely didn't see the second plane hit, cuz that's when Card came in and told him the nation was under attack. And there was no live coverage of the first plane hitting. Therefore -- this is a lie.

10. Why was security meeting scheduled for 9/11 cancelled by WTC management on 9/10?
- Meeting can't be cancelled?! Wow. Now thats something that never happens.

You'll admit the timing is a little interesting.

11. How did they come up with the "culprits" so quickly?
- After the attack, I'd expect the resources of the US government and airline industry to quickly go through the combined hundred+ passengers in short order and get a handle on who might have done it.

Sadly, they should've worked better, cuz a bunch of the hijackers are still alive (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm) and loudly protesting their innocence...

12. How did they find the terrorist's cars at the airports so quickly?
- Once you have a list of passengers, a few thousand agents can locate a handful of cars.

Oddly, none of the hijackers' names are on any of the passenger lists:

Passenger and crew list for AA 11 (first WTC crash.)
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA11.victims.html
AA 77 (Pentagon crash)
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html
UAL 175 (2nd WTC crash)
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/ua175.victims.html
UAL 93 (Pennsylvania crash)
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/ua93.victims.html

Which makes sense, considering again that a handful of 'em are still alive.

13. Why did Shrub dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force?
- Another example of the partisen style of these questions. "Shrub" indeed :disappoin.

I'll help whoever wrote that. 13. Why did the 43rd President of the United States of America, George Walker Bush, dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force?

... Cmon, Yogs! Go look into it. Them be fascinating questions...

carrrnuttt
07-06-2004, 10:14 PM
You met your match Yogs - somebody with more time on their hands than you, or me for that matter.

You've gotta admit, he's a rung above you in this particular ladder.

Your turn to take a step-up. Hurry, elections are almost upon us.

YogsVR4
07-07-2004, 08:32 AM
Cool. I'll send ya a buck if you can post a link. But then, to argue that anything but a plane hit the Pentagon's just ridiculous.

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316.html

I'd like the dollar in US currency please.

Well, yes. When two planes have slammed into the WTC, there are at least 2 other hijacked planes floating around, America is clearly under attack by God knows who and God knows what else they're planning, and the President is at a PUBLIC PHOTO-OP, it's not like it would be hard to kill him. You get him the hell out of there! You don't wait until he's finished reading My Pet Goat and then making a speech. Unless you have other information...

It would be very difficult to kill him. Slamming a plane into a small target that blends in with the rest of the buildings is not an easy thing to do (as most people have a hard time training for this)

Read it again -- George H. W. Bush, the father of Dubya and a guy who does (or at least used to until November 2001) lots of business with the Bin Ladins. (http://www.rense.com/general14/WSJbushsenior.htm)

My mistake. Its clear we need to know where he was. By the way, where was Clinton at the time of the attack? Jimmy Carter? Ford? If the question is to insinuate that the Bin Laden family shouldn't be allowed to do business because of what their son has done, then once again it shows the angle of the questions.

You'll admit the timing is a little interesting

Coincidences happen all the time. I just don't see a conspiracy behind every one of them.

I'll help whoever wrote that. 13. Why did the 43rd President of the United States of America, George Walker Bush, dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force?

So what? The point of me putting that question there was to point out how loaded they were and the bias of the person(s) who wrote it. Rephrasing the question doesn't change that fact.


Lastly, for carrrnuttt, I'm not up any ladder and this isn't a competition. I'm ony pointing out how loaded the questions are. I've made that point. I'm not here to argue each and every question. The fact you dislike Bush isn't lost and you're acting as a cheerleader/instigator is not becoming. :disappoin













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DGB454
07-07-2004, 10:08 AM
I think Gore set the whole thing up. He is friends with at least 1 person of the Arab nationality. He wasn't at either of the WTCs or the Pentagon or the field that the other plane crashed in that day. He saw the report on TV and heard about it on the radio. He has been in a plane. He has a motive.(revenge against Bush for loosing the election.) That's all the proof I need.:smile:

driftu
07-07-2004, 03:51 PM
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316.html

I'd like the dollar in US currency please.

great pics but where is the plane? all i see is smoke, water and the building.he asked for a picture of the plane.


It would be very difficult to kill him. Slamming a plane into a small target that blends in with the rest of the buildings is not an easy thing to do (as most people have a hard time training for this)

alright so a plane couldn't get to him. what about a sniper or suicide bomber or some shit like that? they should of rushed him out. the country was under attack.

My mistake. Its clear we need to know where he was. By the way, where was Clinton at the time of the attack? Jimmy Carter? Ford? If the question is to insinuate that the Bin Laden family shouldn't be allowed to do business because of what their son has done, then once again it shows the angle of the questions.

would you do business with some who tryed to hunt and kill your son, after you got him to fight a war for you?


So what? The point of me putting that question there was to point out how loaded they were and the bias of the person(s) who wrote it. Rephrasing the question doesn't change that fact.

still avalid question regardless of how it is written.


Lastly, for carrrnuttt, I'm not up any ladder and this isn't a competition. I'm ony pointing out how loaded the questions are. I've made that point. I'm not here to argue each and every question. The fact you dislike Bush isn't lost and you're acting as a cheerleader/instigator is not becoming. :disappoin

it's not it is nothing more then an exchange of ideas. and they maybe loaded and the author of them may hate bush. doesn't change the fact that there are well over 200 questions on that page. in a case like this with so many unanswered or the answer are just unbelievible. good old bush and friends should come forward and give a little full dissclosure. only fair to people he ask to fight and die for him.

YogsVR4
07-08-2004, 09:26 AM
great pics but where is the plane? all i see is smoke, water and the building.he asked for a picture of the plane.

Of course there won't be a picture of a whole plane. There was a shot on that page of part of the wing.

would you do business with some who tryed to hunt and kill your son, after you got him to fight a war for you?

That depends on who you are and what the buisness is. If you employ several hunded people, do you potentially put them out of work because you won't do business with the parents of a madman? I couldn't do that - perhaps some would.

it's not it is nothing more then an exchange of ideas. and they maybe loaded and the author of them may hate bush. doesn't change the fact that there are well over 200 questions on that page. in a case like this with so many unanswered or the answer are just unbelievible. good old bush and friends should come forward and give a little full dissclosure. only fair to people he ask to fight and die for him.

Is funny that even those loaded questions get answers, but because its not what some want to hear, they get dissmissed. The one about the plane at the pentagon. I posted a link (google for many more), theres a picture of part of the plane. Instead of hearing "Ok. That answers that question." I expect to hear the usual "where's the rest of it" or the term planted gets bantied around.

I'm not opposed to questions about what happened and seeing if more can be done to help with preventing further attacks. The questions posed on that page had little to nothing to do with that. They were designed to indicate that the Bush family had specific information about this specific attack and not only did nothing about it, they were will willing participants.













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driftu
07-08-2004, 04:48 PM
Is funny that even those loaded questions get answers, but because its not what some want to hear, they get dissmissed. The one about the plane at the pentagon. I posted a link (google for many more), theres a picture of part of the plane. Instead of hearing "Ok. That answers that question." I expect to hear the usual "where's the rest of it" or the term planted gets bantied around.

there is that want to hear thing again. i would love to believe that Bush and friends are telling the truth. planted yeah i heard that one to. hard to move a airplane wing undetected through a city. like he said the "to argue that anything but a plane hit the Pentagon's just ridiculous".



I'm not opposed to questions about what happened and seeing if more can be done to help with preventing further attacks. The questions posed on that page had little to nothing to do with that. They were designed to indicate that the Bush family had specific information about this specific attack and not only did nothing about it, they were will willing participants.


well the only people that know for sure seem to be tight lipped. they knew about pearl harbour before the attack. it isn't to far fetched to think they knew about 9/11.

werwolf-23
07-09-2004, 07:26 PM
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316.html

I'd like the dollar in US currency please.

Oh, c'mon. That's no more a picture of a plane than a French Fry is a Happy Meal -- that's the point of the question. I personally believe the reason there's no pictures of the plane itself is because nobody had a camera handy when a jetliner whipped into the Pentagon at 600mph...


It would be very difficult to kill him. Slamming a plane into a small target that blends in with the rest of the buildings is not an easy thing to do (as most people have a hard time training for this)

Carbombs, suicide bombers, kamikaze guys with AK-47s, anything could happen -- they weren't supposed to know what was going on. I personally think that, when the country's under attack by terrorists in a bunch of places and nobody's really sure what's going on, as a SS agent, I'd probably get the Prez on Air Force One as fast as possible, just in case.

Shocked that nobody got fired over that... I mean, once the photo-op was done Dubya was on AF1 getting shuttled from undisclosed location to undisclosed location -- that's what's SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN!


My mistake. Its clear we need to know where he was. By the way, where was Clinton at the time of the attack? Jimmy Carter? Ford? If the question is to insinuate that the Bin Laden family shouldn't be allowed to do business because of what their son has done, then once again it shows the angle of the questions.

... We're still missing the point here -- the idea is not to insinuate anything, but rather to inspire the reader to go find out the answer for themself, and then wonder why our media hasn't asked ANY of these questions.


So what? The point of me putting that question there was to point out how loaded they were and the bias of the person(s) who wrote it. Rephrasing the question doesn't change that fact.

How is it loaded? Why, after we still haven't caught Osama Bin Laden, the guy who apparently is responsible for the worst attack on American soil, killing 3,000 innocent civilians, has the task force been dissolved? There's no slant here! It's a valid question and one the media IS NOT ASKING.

"I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."(President Bush, Press Conference,
3/13/02 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/text/20020313-8.html))

Lastly, for carrrnuttt, I'm not up any ladder and this isn't a competition. I'm ony pointing out how loaded the questions are. I've made that point. I'm not here to argue each and every question. The fact you dislike Bush isn't lost and you're acting as a cheerleader/instigator is not becoming. :disappoin

Agreed on the ladder, absolutely. I disagree entirely on the 'loaded' angle -- they're not. And yes, I dislike Bush. Much more than I dislike Kerry, for one reason: Bush is the guy responsible. If Kerry gets in and does the same stuff, a year from now I'll looking on the Bush days with nostalgia, just as I am with the godawful presidency of Clinton..

driftu
07-11-2004, 10:36 PM
:owned:

Cbass
07-12-2004, 01:50 AM
Is funny that even those loaded questions get answers, but because its not what some want to hear, they get dissmissed. The one about the plane at the pentagon. I posted a link (google for many more), theres a picture of part of the plane. Instead of hearing "Ok. That answers that question." I expect to hear the usual "where's the rest of it" or the term planted gets bantied around.

I'm not opposed to questions about what happened and seeing if more can be done to help with preventing further attacks. The questions posed on that page had little to nothing to do with that. They were designed to indicate that the Bush family had specific information about this specific attack and not only did nothing about it, they were will willing participants.

So what exactly is so bad about these questions, Yogs? You call them loaded, only because they form a pretty good web of conjecture. If it has no grounding in reality, it should be very easy to shoot holes in it, right?

YogsVR4
07-12-2004, 10:39 AM
The point of a loaded question is that the answer is exactly what the person posing the question wants.

As with most loaded questions, after its been answered someone comes back with either the "but ...." or repharse the question, as seen by "Oh, c'mon. That's no more a picture of a plane than a French Fry is a Happy Meal" When the question was "Why were there no photos or videos of the Pentagon plane?" Is it up to the everyone to pick out what details they want from the question? Did they mean a picture of the plane slamming into the building (as it appears werwolf-23 thought it meant)? Did it mean pictures of debris from after the crash? Did it means pictures of the plane after it was built? Loaded with passengers? Taking off? Gee, its all so clear :disappoin













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werwolf-23
07-12-2004, 06:33 PM
The point of a loaded question is that the answer is exactly what the person posing the question wants.

As with most loaded questions, after its been answered someone comes back with either the "but ...." or repharse the question, as seen by "Oh, c'mon. That's no more a picture of a plane than a French Fry is a Happy Meal" When the question was "Why were there no photos or videos of the Pentagon plane?" Is it up to the everyone to pick out what details they want from the question? Did they mean a picture of the plane slamming into the building (as it appears werwolf-23 thought it meant)? Did it mean pictures of debris from after the crash? Did it means pictures of the plane after it was built? Loaded with passengers? Taking off? Gee, its all so clear :disappoin

... I think you're running with a different definition of 'loaded question' than I am, and further, again missing the general idea of the questions. The questions, again, are not meant to insinuate anything. They are meant to inspire people to research what happened on 9/11 for themselves and not trust the same media which was telling us all about Saddam's WMD back in `03... The facts you will find when you do some looking on your own will bother you, and possibly lead you to suspect certain people who have so far escaped blame, but not the questions.

A plane (we'll interpret that as an airplane, not as a surface) is a plane. The question does not ask for pictures of debris, or components of the plane, or passengers on the plane, or any other thing but pictures or video of the plane itself. That's, ah, why the question says

"Why were there no photos or videos of the Pentagon plane?"

and not

"Why were there no photos or videos of debris, a burning building, and a crushed taxi?"

Flatrater
07-12-2004, 09:44 PM
Yanno the internet is a wonderful thing, look long enough and you can find a sentence to support any position you want no matter if it is true or not! Just because it is in print doesn't make it true. All the time I see this web site that web site states this or that but when it comes to using a news web site they are slanted. WTF I mean these little assed piece of shit web sites put up my upset littler whiners has more credbility with some here then say FOX news for one.

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