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is it possible to put a S2000 engine into the 240sx? would it be a perfect fit just like the SR? IT cuz i want the car to be fast enough than most cars but be able to drift.

The reason an SR20DET is such a perfect fit into a 240SX is because over in Japan it's the exact same car with the different engine. Now you're talking about a whole other engine, one that has nothing to do with a 240, even isn't related to Nissan. Just because it's a 2.0 four banger doesn't mean it'll fit. If you want you can go buy an S2K.

to answer ur question....money can buy and make anything happen

sure ya could, go ahead and drop it right in, just make sure you have modified engine mounts, custom wiring harness for 240-s2k, vtec ecu, modified driveshaft and/or rearend, modified brackets/mounts for the s2k transmission, and a helleva lot of other stuff that will prolly wind up costing you about 10 grand or so and thats not including the motor...so unless your bill gates, i wouldnt think about it...

stupidest idea ever!

why the fuck would you want a s2000 motor when a sr20det will whipe its ass with it..

some people

well mostly the reason i wouldn't go for the sr20det becuase i heard SR doesn't pass emission. And around here, u need to pass emission to drive the car. So i need a motor that is just like teh SR but don't want the KA.

to drift you need torque... hence why no one drifts the S2K

Whats wrong with the KA?You dont want it just because it's not jDM tYzzit3?Dont underestimate KA's SOHC or DOHC...

You People Are Stupid..... Why Do You Automatically Assume It'll Take Tens Of Thousands Of Dollars To Mount An Engine That Uses Basic Mount Systems? You Could Probably Build An Upper Engine Mount BraCket And Use The Ka Lower Mounts For The S2k Motor..... And The Tranny Would Just Be A Custom X-member That Fits The S2k Mount, Driveshafts Are Cheap And Easy To Get, The Engine Harness Contains All The Nessecary Solenoids And Comp Controls For Vtec, Wiring Is Pretty Basic No Matter What Swap You Do, The Motor Is Extremely Light, And It Makes Quite A Bit More Power Than The Sr20dets Found In Everything Up To The S15 (not Including The S15).

I Would Say Go For It.... If I Could Sell My Rb Car And Get Another Shell I Would Do It Just To Shut Everyone Up! It Shouldn't Cost That Much As Long As You HAVE Friends With Decent Fabrication Skills Or Have Those Skills Your Self.


Ohh And The S2k Has Tons Of Torque And People Drift Them..... The Reason They Aren't Extremely Popular Drift Cars Is Because They Handle Extremely Well And Are Designed For Maximum Grip. Ohh And Drifting Takes Technique Not Torque..... You Can Drift A 1 Ft-lb Of Torque Go Kart, I Know This First Hand.

to drift you need torque... hence why no one drifts the S2K

noeone that u know of

JUST IF YOU LACK S2K KNOWLEDGE: http://www.hondacars.com/models/specifications.asp?ModelName=S2000

stupidest idea ever!

why the fuck would you want a s2000 motor when a sr20det will whipe its ass with it..

some people


you sir, are an idiot.


the fc20 (correct me if im wrong, im not a honda-nut) is an ideal engine for drifting and imo is better than an sr20.

1st off, its n/a therefore no unexpected boost spikes or turbo lag.

2nd-ly, its a high reving engine and it will help when you are in a high speed drift

3rd (not really a reason, but i found it interesting) the powerband and torque curve are extremely similar (besides the increase in power) to the 4ag engine which is used in the ae86

That Is The Best Part.... Its N/a And Makes More Power Than The Sr20, It'll Handle 10500 Rpm Stock, It Weights A Little Less Than The Sr, The Tranny Is Alot Stronger, Aftermarket Is Twice As Large, They Make S/c And Turbo Kits For It, And It Has Honda Reliability.

i don't see the swap worth the $...does the 240 weigh more than the s2000?

Dry Curb Weight Is 2835..... My Gutted 240 Weighs 2400lbs. Thats 4/10ths Of A Second In The Quarter. It Shouldn't Cost Much More If At All Than A S14 Sr Swap With Better Results.

4/10ths of a second is alot of time. especially if your a laker fan

R.W.240's comments on the F20C
1.Frist off the fact that the F20C Rocks is undisputed
2.I see it as too peaky and Torqueless to be better at drifting than the SR
3.Turbos and Blowers on F20s are Hearsay NA OWNZ JOO
4.I dont think and F20 in an S13 would be Cost efficent (albeit cool)
5.Ive seen an S2k try to drift (Formula D houston) it was... painfull
6.the after market is large... but expensive- it takes some bucks to get more than 120Hp/L naturally asperated (Refer to point #3)


Judging from Fully_sicks hugely insitefull comment and musicsurfmans maniacal love i make the prediction that this will turn into a Flame war -4 pages long before it is closed.

(Off Topic) - Anyone seen that Power House Amuse Touge S2000? that Whip iz dae Shiznat...

I just feel everyone jumps the gun on costs when its something they don't agree with or understand....

Ohh and a sr being better than a f20c is stupid..... the f20c is a more powerful motor right off the bat and steadily builds power to the very end, unlike the SR which builds power sharply and then drops of just as fast.

And again torque has nothing to do with drifting... its all about technique. You can drift anything if you have the skills..... and you definately can't judge a car or motor by one driver, thats just fucking retarded.

Ohh and the s/c on the stock f20c has made over 325whp at 6 psi..... There are multiple dyno sheets floating around the net proving that including a friend of mines that lives here in phoenix.

Hey, I'm a guy who supports unorthodox engine swaps. I am the idiot swapping a ford Taurus SHO engine into my S14 (like the one in my sig), So for the guy who said it ain't expensive, let me give you some insight. A 240sx ECU will not, and I repeat will NOT, EASILY agree to run a Honda engine despit it being another 4cly. Signals are diff between car manufucturers, the codes differ, and then there is also the problem of one car being more advanced than the other, this will cuz a problem and you might not see that 240hp you are talking about.
It is going to cost alot, trust me on that, And by the way, I am saying this and I am the one who is doing the wiring of the entire car my self, the installation, and most of the fabrication, I can only imagine what I would have paid to have all this done.
Easiest is to get the whole harness and ecu, and forget using the 240 harness and a honda ECU and block. throw that out.
Enought said, now, I do think I would preffer a 240 with a S2 block, I just hate the fact that they are very well tuned that getting more power is very difficult and costly (like the new M3, adding HP is so expensive). You will spen so much and the power gains will not be worth the spending, just some bragging rights. I think you will be better off with the KA, for the money you will spend for the block, tranny, wiring and modification, not to forget the extra stuff, you could blue print the KA, put out way more power than the SR and kill almost anything on the road. For 5-8gs on the KA, you will have a Cobra killer (stock cobra that is).
You need torque to break the tires loose, but you need High Revs to keep them spinning.

you sir, are an idiot.


the fc20 (correct me if im wrong, im not a honda-nut) is an ideal engine for drifting and imo is better than an sr20.

1st off, its n/a therefore no unexpected boost spikes or turbo lag.

2nd-ly, its a high reving engine and it will help when you are in a high speed drift

3rd (not really a reason, but i found it interesting) the powerband and torque curve are extremely similar (besides the increase in power) to the 4ag engine which is used in the ae86

quite fool... :rolleyes:

Putting in a honda engine into a nissan is frickin' stupid. Call me a Nissan elitist but the sr turbo is a quicker car with more potential to be quicker. I never said shit about drifiting, just said if you want performance the sr20det wins all day long.
fc20 belongs in a s2000 or another Honda if you have the know-how to do the swap.
Show me someone whose done the swap and how their car is running performance wise and I will admit I'm wrong. But at the end of the day the factory produced a certain motor for a car due to extensive research/application so it fits the chassis best.
:2cents:

ok, i know there alot of arguements in this. I just want to know what the best engine for a 240sx that is street legal, meaning passing emission. I wanted to be a unique 240sx, so i don't really want the KA. So what engine is good that is legal?

FC20
VG30DETT
RB25DET
4AGE
Any other engines?

Whats wrong with the KA?You dont want it just because it's not jDM tYzzit3?Dont underestimate KA's SOHC or DOHC...

I agree.

I wanted to be a unique 240sx, so i don't really want the KA. So what engine is good that is legal?

What isn't unique about a KA-T? Uniqueness is overrated. Car knowledge is basically what has been tried and proven. Nobody proved anything with a math problem or idea. Oh and its legal. Most engine swaps aren't legal. Especially if you put an engine in your car that is older that the car itself.

I'm not a drifter, but the SR has a wide powerband, like most high rpm engines do. The FC20 has a high redline. It seems to me that the FC20 would make a pretty good drifting engine. But to contradict my whole arguement, I don't think any engine is going to cure lack of skill for drifting. Anyone done any research on how the weight distribution will be affected?

^ I dont know how the emission laws are where you live, but generally speaking i would recommend an engine out of these 4

- sr20det[tried and tested, high performance can be reached easily. check AF-member "mynismo"]
- ca18det[more revvy then the sr, but less hp potential]
- rb20det[older engine, less support yet great hp potential due to 6cyl]
- rb25det[quickest stock out of the 4, pricey yet performance is great]

Yes they're all turbo, but since there all Nissan atleast your placing the same manufacturer's material in the car.[I have not included the rb26dett/vg30 in the line up due to the high cost and fabrication involved. Im assuming nobody here will have the money lying around for those swaps.]

theres my 2 cents

You know, I've never really figured out why ppl get so damn upset when you take one car manufucturers product and mix it with another.
but since there all Nissan atleast your placing the same manufacturer's material in the car
comeon guys, it's all for the love of cars, not all for the love of NISSAN, or HONDA, y'all remind me of the Ford and Chevy Fans, not realizing that some car makers are better than others in certain areas, that is why, if I can get what I want, I pick the best from each manufucturers line, and combine it to make a BAD ASS road killer. I went through hell when I asked for advice on my swap, my SHO was my first car, and first love, but came to realize it's inadequecies due to it's heavy weight, front wheel dr, and of corse the Fix Or Repair Daily (F.O.R.D) thing. The engine was fine but everything else is FORD. The SHO is yamaha, and trust me, this thing revs like a four banger but with tons or TQ.
I say, I don't have enough cash to go buy a GT2 or McLaren, so I decided to build my own car, chose the best engine I could think of, that wouldn't cost as much, and the best shell that was light and with good handling, the Rx7 was first but cost put it out of my range, so I went to #2, which was the 240 S14.
I still think an S2K block will kill an SR in the near future, remember the fact that the S2000 is out of most of our price range so the demand for parts is low, but when they start getting in the used market, then you will hear of little pocket monsters. and besides, the SR has been around for the last 12yrs, and the S2 only about five, I would like a S2 motor in a 240, I just think the price makes it a pointless swap, I find it hard to take out a 4cyl out of a car and swap in another 4cyl, I always have to go up in size. Y'all see the V10 GT mustang?? that car was sick, but unfortunately not going to production. Ford SUCKS!!!!!! they tease you with sweet tantelizing prototypes then produce crapy little wash down versions.

fully sick.... you know whats funny a stock s2000 will beat a stock sr20det swap all day long and the car is 400lbs+ heavier. So stfu about the sr being better. The rb20det isn't anything special although it'll blow the doors off a sr20 stock for stock. You people who say nissan should stay nissan are fucking moronic, yeah maybe a designer put an engine in a car becaue thats all they could come up with.... but 13 years later another company designs a motor that is twice the motor that was designed for the car, why not swap it in? Ohh I know why you just don't understand it. Grow Up and give some incitful advice and not you facist views.

You know what this reminds me of? RB swaps and couple years ago.... everyone hated us for doing it and now they all embrace us, fucking stupid.

ohh and the s2000 motors aren't expensive at all.... I can get a wrecked s2000 from auctions all day long around $4-7k for the whole car. Now you sell off all the good stuff you don't need like the interior, rear-end which still goes for over a grand in used condition, body panels if they are good, etc. and you bring the cost of the motor way down. now you build you own mounts and do your own wiring and this swap isn't going to cost much at all.

Hip hip hooray, now we are talking, Fusion is the future of everything, don't you get it????
240 w/S2K block, rx7 w/2JZ, viper V10 w/ram, sex and drugs, speed and tickets, love and hate, cars and sex, Blow jobs and traffic lights,
Cant you ppl see, the next era of dominance comes from the ppl who are willing to embrace the change, the combination of the perfect elements to create the most perfect autmobiles.!!!!!!!!!!

oops sorry I got caught up in another einstein moment.
Besides, I like the way it slithers out of my tongue
Nisssssan Ssssssss240SsssssK, say it with me now.

you know whats tried and tested? KA24DE-T. Go to 240sxforums and check out the KA forum. 404whp on a stock engine, turboed at 114,000 miles. I support the S2k swap because it isn't another SR20 swap "About" to happen. If he goes through with it, then I support him all the way. You can't really tire of a 9k redline either. So smooth.

keep the flames down or this thread will see a padlock.

yea but a gutted 240 w/ a sr will weigh less then ur car wont it? since you have a rb?

fully sick.... you know whats funny a stock s2000 will beat a stock sr20det swap all day long and the car is 400lbs+ heavier. So stfu about the sr being better. The rb20det isn't anything special although it'll blow the doors off a sr20 stock for stock. You people who say nissan should stay nissan are fucking moronic, yeah maybe a designer put an engine in a car becaue thats all they could come up with.... but 13 years later another company designs a motor that is twice the motor that was designed for the car, why not swap it in? Ohh I know why you just don't understand it. Grow Up and give some incitful advice and not you facist views.



Hahaha...gimme my 180 with the sr20det my minor mods of i/h/e bleed valve and i will spank any s2000...

Seriously get over yourself with that bullshit. What im saying is realistic, as a pose to a fuckn fuckwit coming in saying ooh this engine would be cool if i swapped it in. Well how come nobodies posted pic's of a swap?? Shown somebody doing it?
Do you even know what facist means? obviously you dont. Your hardly giving any points yourself but just flaming, im speaking knowledge of Western Australian slivia/180 community. So kid get over your low self-esteem problem :loser:

Hahaha...gimme my 180 with the sr20det my minor mods of i/h/e bleed valve and i will spank any s2000...

Headers??? on a SR20DE"T" I doubt you will spank an S2k. You may win, but mod for mod, a S2k will prevail.

Seriously get over yourself with that bullshit. What im saying is realistic, as a pose to a fuckn fuckwit coming in saying ooh this engine would be cool if i swapped it in. Well how come nobodies posted pic's of a swap?? Shown somebody doing it?

Show me a picture of you beating a S2k and I will believe you.

Do you even know what facist means? obviously you dont. Your hardly giving any points yourself but just flaming, im speaking knowledge of Western Australian slivia/180 community. So kid get over your low self-esteem problem :loser:

I didn't gather one bit of knowledge the whole time I read any of your posts. You should really be more open-minded. It makes cars a lot more fun.

Fully Sick is right, until someone comes out with pics of the swap then there's no point talking about it being good or bad. And how the hell would a picture tell if someone is beating someone else?

The winner will be in front. Not biased toward it being good or bad, biased toward flaming when it is a legit idea.

You know why there are no swap pictures? Because obviously no one has tried it or even though about it. I'm going to push he sale of my rb car and my other car.... get ahold of another shell and do this swap if no one has done it by then....... and all your knowledge is internet knowledge with no basis fully sick. Your minor upgrades to a stock motor is stupid do the same mods on the s2k and you'll still lose. He'll I'll walk you with my rb mod for mod.

Yes a sr car would be about 75lbs lighter than my car.

fas·cism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fshzm)
n.
often Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.


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I used fascist because you are looking as a dictator trying to tell everyone what to do and what not to do with their cars.... and spreading your stupid propaganda makes you a fascist (losely).

ok, i know there alot of arguements in this. I just want to know what the best engine for a 240sx that is street legal, meaning passing emission. I wanted to be a unique 240sx, so i don't really want the KA. So what engine is good that is legal?

FC20
VG30DETT
RB25DET
4AGE
Any other engines?


yeah, go and drop a 4ag in your 240 you idiot.


.....friggin asians

Sounds like someone is having a good day :uhoh:

Listen mate before you point out any flaws in my argument there is one little thing you must understand. Its called an "opinion", and like an asshole everyone has one[so there goes your so called facist ideal out the window]. It is MY opinion that a s2000 engine is not the brightest of idea's.

You know why there are no swap pictures? Because obviously no one has tried it or even though about it. I'm going to push he sale of my rb car and my other car.... get ahold of another shell and do this swap if no one has done it by then....... and all your knowledge is internet knowledge with no basis fully sick. Your minor upgrades to a stock motor is stupid do the same mods on the s2k and you'll still lose. He'll I'll walk you with my rb mod for mod.

Yes a sr car would be about 75lbs lighter than my car.

Your missing the big picture here mate...

Price of s2000= 60kaus, price of 180sx with sr20det = 8-10kaus...[yes we get factory sr20det's]

so whats that I have what 40-50 k lying around after I buy a 180sx. See where Im getting at man... :iceslolan

Oh "you will walk me" good for you mate.. You sound like the typical penis extension car owner.

So at the end of the day, unleash your anger elsewhere and build up your argument better in the future.

sorry for all reading, but some people need to chill the F out...

Oh "you will walk me" good for you mate.. You sound like the typical penis extension car owner. ...


yeah? get your "kaus" and go back to poland, you pointless fuck.

if you havent realized,argueing on this board is retarded, cause everyone here is an imbicile.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

call me an idiot too if it pleases you, where the fuck have all the fun members gone?

60kaus means 60 000 australian dollars, retard.

fuck you




















j/k. that would be mean lol

lets see.... you must have the shit end of the stick is aussie land because I can get a whole s2000 here in the us for under 8 grand Hell my friend just bought a 20k mile s2k for $5500 at auction on tuesday..... a rb25det swap runs about the same price after you sell off all the stuff you don't need out of the car.

Your opinion is one thing but spreading your views through propoganda makes you a fascist at the root of the word.

My walking you comment is proving a point in the fact that the sr20 is not the greatest motor for the 240sx.... and the rb20det was never designed to be in the 240sx.

and the rb20det was never designed to be in the 240sx.

And you're saying we should put an S2k engine in the 240????

yeah? get your "kaus" and go back to poland, you pointless fuck.

if you havent realized,argueing on this board is retarded, cause everyone here is an imbicile.



call me an idiot too if it pleases you, where the fuck have all the fun members gone?

kaus? im not polish dude, its aussie...

you fuckwit! j/k

Yeah its good to argue, and I was obviously playing along with you man. Sarcasm isnt always easy to spot.
Your opinion is one thing but spreading your views through propoganda makes you a fascist at the root of the word.

propaganda? :lol: :lol: Oh god whats next Am I comitting genocide? you sound like colin powel..

its also facist not fascist :)

:rofl: :smokin:

I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE SHOULD PUT ANY MOTOR IN THEIR CAR, I'M SAYING PEOPLE WHO JUMP OUT AT A NEW IDEA SAYING ITS GOING TO COST AN ASSLOAD OF MONEY OR ITS NOT A GOOD ENGINE WHO KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THE MOTOR OR SWAP PROCESS IS STUPID.


OHH AND BY DEFINITION PROPAGANDA IS THE SPREAD OF ONES BELIEFS THROUGH HALF-TRUTHS OR LIES..... WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ARE HALF TRUTHS AND LIES TO SPREAD YOUR OPINIONS TO PEOPLE.

AND YES ITS FASCIST:http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=FASCIST

alright, time to get over yourselves people.


i gave you a chance to save the thread but you kept flaming (i don't care if you add a "jk" afterwards. it doesn't null the fact that you said it).


so this thread go bye bye. say bye bye, thread! bye bye!