how hard
kenwood guy
06-30-2004, 05:52 PM
how hard is it to swap an engine?? is it a matter of using a simple wrench and screw driver??? or do you need to fab up stuff to make the swap work????
sRscooby
06-30-2004, 06:55 PM
umm.. swap which engine?
kenwood guy
06-30-2004, 07:28 PM
the Ka
youngmanvr4
06-30-2004, 08:25 PM
You want to swap a KA to a KA? Or you want to swap from a KA to a SR20DET or something like that?
publicenemy137
06-30-2004, 08:26 PM
how hard is it to swap an engine?? is it a matter of using a simple wrench and screw driver??? or do you need to fab up stuff to make the swap work????
you need much more than a simple wrench and screwdriver, just get it done by someone else
you need much more than a simple wrench and screwdriver, just get it done by someone else
nissanfanatic
06-30-2004, 09:48 PM
How much expirience do you have? How much reading and research have you done? There should be a lot of websites telling you what to do. Do some reading and then decide if you can do it or not.
kenwood guy
06-30-2004, 10:04 PM
hmm I see to gsx I mean the SR and by the way I have zero experence and im currently reading about the subject to learn about it what other tools would a person need I mean can this be a stay at home project??(what I mean is doing it in your own place)
KenOhki2112
06-30-2004, 10:17 PM
hmm I see to gsx I mean the SR and by the way I have zero experence and im currently reading about the subject to learn about it what other tools would a person need I mean can this be a stay at home project??(what I mean is doing it in your own place)
If you are not very experianced then your car will probably have a lot of down time, you will need a way to get the engine out of the car (cherry picker). Make sure you are ready for a lot of down time (weeks) and be prepaired to tow the car to a shop if things go bad.
If you are not very experianced then your car will probably have a lot of down time, you will need a way to get the engine out of the car (cherry picker). Make sure you are ready for a lot of down time (weeks) and be prepaired to tow the car to a shop if things go bad.
SHO411
06-30-2004, 10:56 PM
I've got over $3000 in tools, (150psi compressor, 3ton engine hoist, tons of wrenches, hand tools and tons of other shit), and guess what, I never have enough tools, every time I am working on something I always end up going back to craftsman for something I am missing. You need experience or you will fuck up something. better get a friend or friends who know about cars, have an engine swap party. this is when the host buys the beer at least 3 six packs, and not some wimpy shit. The others bring the man power and the extra knowlege......well......in your case they bring all the knowlege.
Chuki_breath
06-30-2004, 11:03 PM
yea thats the spirit get wasted and install some engines and find out u forgot to tighten that one single last god damn bolt and die on the highway...good thinking ill call my friends now. j/k the only way to work on cars is with a nice case of beer.....just be resoponsible.
yea it sounds like u should be contacting a shop near you....unless u can spare alot of down time.
yea it sounds like u should be contacting a shop near you....unless u can spare alot of down time.
kenwood guy
07-01-2004, 12:50 AM
i see so it must be hard
SR240Z
07-01-2004, 01:07 AM
no its not, theres a lot of people that do their own swaps but have people do the wiring and initial start up
youngmanvr4
07-01-2004, 02:57 AM
Onething to help you out is go to http://www.heavythrottle.com and at the home page there is a "index" type of thing on the left side. Anyways, go to where it says "SR Install FAQ" click that and read it. I have read that 3 times. It will help out alot and take some worrys off of ya. Think of the swap as being something new and fun. But most of all...not scary or hard. Think of it like buying a lapdance for your car. Something that it will love you and you can love too. Just dont worry man. Have fun with it.
And for you SR240Z...your 240z is freak hot. I'm likin it alot dude. And that red-top sittin in there ready to beat someone. Nice job!
And for you SR240Z...your 240z is freak hot. I'm likin it alot dude. And that red-top sittin in there ready to beat someone. Nice job!
kenwood guy
07-01-2004, 04:47 PM
How good of an engine is the Ka??? maybe a swap is not needed if you just add turbo???
SHO411
07-01-2004, 06:18 PM
Listen it ain't hard, I pulled out the engine out of my SHO (like the one in my sig), and I did it all by my self, took me 4hrs. with my friends it would be half the time. pulling out and installation is not that difficult as long as you remember what goes where, but tools will be your biggest down fall. Without enough of the right tools, especialy if you don't have a tool box of your own already, borrow one or take it to a shop. you need tyhe right tool. and buy a chilton manual, tell you how to remove the damn thing anyway.
sRscooby
07-01-2004, 06:39 PM
How good of an engine is the Ka??? maybe a swap is not needed if you just add turbo???
The KA can be very good with turbo, the power gains are very nice :x
There's a couple of kits around that'll get you to at least 200HP at low PSI.
What year is your 240?
The KA can be very good with turbo, the power gains are very nice :x
There's a couple of kits around that'll get you to at least 200HP at low PSI.
What year is your 240?
kenwood guy
07-01-2004, 07:10 PM
sorry i dont have one but im thinking about getting one as my first car that i own how much can turbo go for???
Jackalope17
07-01-2004, 08:39 PM
do forum search for Ka24de-t, and it will pop up a lot of thread with people asking the same thing
There are kits on the market ranging from 3500 to close to 5K
You can make your own for alot less than that. An ebay/junkyard turbo setup can run from 1000 to how ever much you want to spend. One guy said he made a kit for around 700 dollar total
There are kits on the market ranging from 3500 to close to 5K
You can make your own for alot less than that. An ebay/junkyard turbo setup can run from 1000 to how ever much you want to spend. One guy said he made a kit for around 700 dollar total
kenwood guy
07-01-2004, 11:49 PM
Wow thats something How hard is it to build a turbo setup???
Jackalope17
07-02-2004, 01:46 AM
im not entirely certain, I am still working on it
for a basic setup (5psi) all you really need are
a turbo
turbo manifold
wastegate
blow off valve
boost controller
i guess downpipe?
and random bits for plumbing the turbo
from what I have read, the stock internals, and stock computer are good for 5psi, non intercooled
But I woudl def. recommend getting
bigger turbo (not sure which one to get, still doing that research)
turbo manifold,
I/C
(the piping would have to be custom)
BOV
downpipe (revhard makes one)
255lph fuel pump
bigger injectors (370cc from a 300zx or an sr20det would work, without changing fuel rail)
boost controller
turbo timer
some sort of fuel management system (pretty much your pick)
also random bits for oil lines and such
so far from my research, those are the parts ive found you need. The car Im goign to get has high mileage (lower cost) then I am going to rebuild using 8.6:1 forged pistons (i found a kit for around $800) while the engine is out I will start setting up the turbo system, get a new clutch
throw it in my completely stock car
and step 4: Profit...err lay waste with sleeper style speed.
for a basic setup (5psi) all you really need are
a turbo
turbo manifold
wastegate
blow off valve
boost controller
i guess downpipe?
and random bits for plumbing the turbo
from what I have read, the stock internals, and stock computer are good for 5psi, non intercooled
But I woudl def. recommend getting
bigger turbo (not sure which one to get, still doing that research)
turbo manifold,
I/C
(the piping would have to be custom)
BOV
downpipe (revhard makes one)
255lph fuel pump
bigger injectors (370cc from a 300zx or an sr20det would work, without changing fuel rail)
boost controller
turbo timer
some sort of fuel management system (pretty much your pick)
also random bits for oil lines and such
so far from my research, those are the parts ive found you need. The car Im goign to get has high mileage (lower cost) then I am going to rebuild using 8.6:1 forged pistons (i found a kit for around $800) while the engine is out I will start setting up the turbo system, get a new clutch
throw it in my completely stock car
and step 4: Profit...err lay waste with sleeper style speed.
kenwood guy
07-02-2004, 05:25 PM
sounds like you know alot already now with the basic 5psi set up how much Hp can I expect to gain at the wheels Im hoping to get an 240sx and tune to have at least 230-215 Hp willl a bigger turbo be necessary???
nissanfanatic
07-03-2004, 01:34 AM
Ok heres the breakdown
Formula for you to figure out what kind of power you will get from each boost level.
A=((14.7+x)/14.7)B
A=horsepower after boost
B=horsepower before boost
x=boost
If your KA is stock, using 20% drivetrain loss, you have 124whp. 124*1.34=166whp. It is 207.7 at the flywheel by the way. It is 184whp at 7psi. Mind you this is without an exhaust, intake and other goodies. These have been known to provide 20+hp to the wheels. Turbos respond well to breathability. Intercooler also adds usually 20% power too. It is also a good idea because it lowers the risk of detonation.
Turbo size really depends on where you want to make power and how much power you want to make.
Trim=size of the turbine wheel. KAs really like the 50trim but 57 works ok.
ar- This is the ratio of the housing. Diameter to raius. A smaller ar on the exhaust side will result in faster spooling.
I recommend a T3/T04E or something very close because I have went through and done the math and the KAs pressure ratio and cfm(lbs/min) line up right in the efficiency range of the turbo. Now if you want power from 2k on then a T3 would be your best bet. The only problem is you are now limited. If you only ever plan to go to 7psi or like 250hp, then it will be fine. I say a T3/T4 because they are budget priced, easy to find, and a wide range of hp can be had with them.
I'm in the process of building a KA-T S13 so if you have any questions, post them on here or PM me and I will be glad to help if I can.
Formula for you to figure out what kind of power you will get from each boost level.
A=((14.7+x)/14.7)B
A=horsepower after boost
B=horsepower before boost
x=boost
If your KA is stock, using 20% drivetrain loss, you have 124whp. 124*1.34=166whp. It is 207.7 at the flywheel by the way. It is 184whp at 7psi. Mind you this is without an exhaust, intake and other goodies. These have been known to provide 20+hp to the wheels. Turbos respond well to breathability. Intercooler also adds usually 20% power too. It is also a good idea because it lowers the risk of detonation.
Turbo size really depends on where you want to make power and how much power you want to make.
Trim=size of the turbine wheel. KAs really like the 50trim but 57 works ok.
ar- This is the ratio of the housing. Diameter to raius. A smaller ar on the exhaust side will result in faster spooling.
I recommend a T3/T04E or something very close because I have went through and done the math and the KAs pressure ratio and cfm(lbs/min) line up right in the efficiency range of the turbo. Now if you want power from 2k on then a T3 would be your best bet. The only problem is you are now limited. If you only ever plan to go to 7psi or like 250hp, then it will be fine. I say a T3/T4 because they are budget priced, easy to find, and a wide range of hp can be had with them.
I'm in the process of building a KA-T S13 so if you have any questions, post them on here or PM me and I will be glad to help if I can.
kenwood guy
07-03-2004, 05:16 PM
will you have a site where you will have step by step instruction on buliding the turbo set up???
nissanfanatic
07-03-2004, 06:40 PM
No. I have done hella-research on the subject here on this forum but mostly at www.240sxforums.com at the KA forum. I bought a book from BAM that helped quite a bit. Basically you will need
Turbo manifold
Turbocharger
Piping
Oil lines
Wastegate
BOV
Boost controller
Those are the basics. If you want to get serious,(go past 5psi), you will need better fuel management.
The best thing to do is go on google and search.
Turbo manifold
Turbocharger
Piping
Oil lines
Wastegate
BOV
Boost controller
Those are the basics. If you want to get serious,(go past 5psi), you will need better fuel management.
The best thing to do is go on google and search.
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