Would you die for your country?

Would you die for your country?


World War II, YES. Korea, Vietnam and Iraq, NO. Can't trust what the politians are saying these days. Back then, they said Korea was a threat to the us. We went to war, didn't even win. Never saw a single threatening sign from Korea. Russia fought Afgan for 10 years and didn't get anything out of it. Really, I'm starting to think that big countries are attacking smaller countries because the smaller country has a trait that more powerful countries don't like.

If my country was fighting a cause that was just,honest,and without alterior benefit,I'd be there for certain.However,having been there once before and having been sold out by my country,I'd certainly want to examine the issues and the credibility of those presenting them before committing myself to what someone else believes the flag should stand for.

i would DEFEND my country. not go half way round the world to bomb or invade a smaller country.

i would DEFEND my country. not go half way round the world to bomb or invade a smaller country.
So the two are mutually exclusive? Get a clue.......:rolleyes:

Get a clue.......:rolleyes:

I assume you know what football is, genius? Or basketball? Ever heard of offensive, versus defensive?

You have any inkling why the attack on Iraq is called a pre-emptive strike?

So the two are mutually exclusive? Get a clue.......:rolleyes:
I don't think you know what you're talking about.
i would DEFEND my country. not go half way round the world to bomb or invade a smaller country.
I agree with this statement. Let's just say that I wouldn't die for Bush. WWII was something to die for, but not this Iraq war.

"No poor bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his." -Gen. Geordge S. Patton Jr.

If my country was threatened, but not if my president had an overactive imagination. :)

I honestly don't entrust my government ( or any other government for that matter ) with my life. I would help out, but to give my life...It would have to be for a great cause

i would die for Earth if we were threatened by another world.....read this---->http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=250375&page=2

"No poor bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his." -Gen. Geordge S. Patton Jr.

Good quote.

in a heartbeat.

I would not die willingly, but if it were to happen then theres not a lot I can do about it.

If my country was fighting a cause that was just,honest,and without alterior benefit,I'd be there for certain.However,having been there once before and having been sold out by my country,I'd certainly want to examine the issues and the credibility of those presenting them before committing myself to what someone else believes the flag should stand for.

This is precisely why the military wants to recrute soldiers while they are young. A weel trained middle aged body can pull a trigger or load a howtizer as well as a young one. However, the young are naiive and middle aged fucks like me are way too smart and cynical to fall for a government propeganda campaign.

It would take a hell of an international threat for me to die for my country.

[QUOTE=MagicRat]This is precisely why the military wants to recrute soldiers while they are young. A weel trained middle aged body can pull a trigger or load a howtizer as well as a young one. However, the young are naiive and middle aged fucks like me are way too smart and cynical to fall for a government propeganda campaign.

It would take a hell of an international threat for me to die for my country.[/QUOT

:iagree:

BUT...

Yes. Others in my family try" key word" TRY to argue this question, but my answer always pretty much just out weighs theirs. Call it pride,stubborness, or just whatever you want.

If needed for my death:
to protect myself, Then yes.
to ensure my families future, then yes.

Would it be welcomed, NO!
Would life go on, yes.
Would I be remebered 20yrs after, possibly no.

Do I care, I dont know, because I will be dead, but my loved will survive?

The question really should be would you die for your buddy next to you. In combat that is all that really matters. No I haven't experianced it for myself, one of the days perhaps, but I have various family members who have fought in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Destert Storm...pretty much every conflict you can think of. For them, once the bullets started flying government reason and cause flew out the window. They were fighting for themselves and the guy next to them.

Would I want to die for my country for no reason? No. Then again we don't always know exactly what our governments reasons are. Maybe we should, but we don't. The fact is we all have to die sometime. Death shouldn't be thought of as such a bad thing. It is going to happen and there is nothing you can do about it. Honestly I rather die "for my country", no matter what the government reasoning, than be scrapped of the highway by a drunk driver or laying in a bed with cancer. Just my way at looking at things.

As the Patton quote has been used a couple times - I have no desire to die or be killed. But, if in the act of me, my family, my friends, my charges or my country then so be it.

i would DEFEND my country. not go half way round the world to bomb or invade a smaller country.

Makes no sense. Japan is a small country. Germany is a small country. Italy is a small country.

Which Pick says

So the two are mutually exclusive? Get a clue.......:rolleyes:

with a response of

I assume you know what football is, genius? Or basketball? Ever heard of offensive, versus defensive? and
I don't think you know what you're talking about.

It seems we have a few people who cannot see anything unless its viewed through an Iraq perspective. :disappoin Not everyone has such narrow vision.













Never pay again for live sex! (http://showmewebcam.com/?p=1) | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! (http://showmewebcam.com/?p=3) | Chat for free! (http://showmewebcam.com/?p=5)

i would die for what my country claims it stands for, truth, freedom, liberty etc...

but the fact is our country, nor any country i can think of off hand, stands for these anymore. our country has increasingly come to stand for wealth, arrogance, profit, violence, power and control. these are ideals i would not die for.

to say you would die for your country is like saying you would die for your favorite sports team. loyal, yes, but does it make sense?

I can agree with some of that. But I don't think what you wrote America stands for is necessarily true.

why are people putting the president, the gorernment, or even what the country claims to stand for....the questions is....

plain and simple...WOULD U DIE FOR UR COUNTRY...

my answer is... :dunno:

:disappoin Not everyone has such narrow vision.

Care to WIDEN my vision, with an explanation of your view, perhaps? http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Makes no sense. Japan is a small country. Germany is a small country. Italy is a small country.

America didn't invade any of these countries. second the curcimstances around those military action were way different.

all you pro war people need to think about the repercusions of these actions.
it is easy to support war when you don't have to see every day.

I suport the war, I support the soliders and I support this country but it would be a lie if I said I would or wouldn't die for my country. I am 40 years old, I will never be in th miltary and I could sit here saying yes I will die for my country but it will never happen so my vote would really mean nothing. Now if it came down to my kids or wife I would die for them because I can honestly say that.

If I was 20 and was drafted I would go, I wouldn't run because that is my duty as an American, just like all the other Americans that fought and died I would follow them.

Posted by lazysmurff - 07-01-2004 at 03:25 PMi would die for what my country claims it stands for, truth, freedom, liberty etc...

but the fact is our country, nor any country i can think of off hand, stands for these anymore. our country has increasingly come to stand for wealth, arrogance, profit, violence, power and control. these are ideals i would not die for.


There is a cure for your problem and it's LEAVE!

Posted by driftu - 07-01-2004 at 04:05 PM
America didn't invade any of these countries. second the curcimstances around those military action were way different.

A funny thing happened a couple of nights ago, I was watching the history channel on TV. They were showing WWII honest they showed American soliders in Germany, Italy and Japan! No shit right on the little screen, the Americans were shooting the Germans, Italians and Japanese right on their own soil.

Holy Shit!! No way. What was WWII????? We invaded those countries?

The question really should be would you die for your buddy next to you. In combat that is all that really matters. No I haven't experianced it for myself, one of the days perhaps, but I have various family members who have fought in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Destert Storm...pretty much every conflict you can think of. For them, once the bullets started flying government reason and cause flew out the window. They were fighting for themselves and the guy next to them.

I'm with you. You fight for your squad, not freedom or justice or racial purity or whatever the government told you before people started to get shot.

There is a cure for your problem and it's LEAVE!



'Rater, as you are the same age I am, you must recall the 'America, Love it or Leave It' slogan from the '60's and 70's?

Well, it was crap then and it's crap now.
If you understand your country, you know one of the cornerstones of free speech is self criticism. It is the moral duty for Americans to protest when they see their country going down the wrong path.
To refute the value of such criticism is to be anti American. To tell someone to leave the country instead of valuing that criticism as heartfelt concern and love of their counrty is anti American.

However, (with all due consideration) if you love your country, you would have more respect for 'Smurff and her concerns.

'Rater, as you are the same age I am, you must recall the 'America, Love it or Leave It' slogan from the '60's and 70's?

Well, it was crap then and it's crap now.
If you understand your country, you know one of the cornerstones of free speech is self criticism. It is the moral duty for Americans to protest when they see their country going down the wrong path.
To refute the value of such criticism is to be anti American. To tell someone to leave the country instead of valuing that criticism as heartfelt concern and love of their counrty is anti American.

However, (with all due consideration) if you love your country, you would have more respect for 'Smurff and her concerns.

:werd:

Anyway I can't say I'd die for any country but I would certainly fight for my country I wouldnt wanna die but i'd be willing to fight...notice how I said MY country I wouldnt fight for any other country's freedom or any other country's liberation I would only willingly fight for mine and my country's freedom and liberties.

fuck no, i'd never die for america, but i would die for my family :) , not america, never america.....i'm dissapointed to see so many people willing to die for this retarded hell-hole, FUCK AMERICA!!!!!

fuck no, i'd never die for america, but i would die for my family :) , not america, never america.....i'm dissapointed to see so many people willing to die for this retarded hell-hole, FUCK AMERICA!!!!!Holy Cow :wtf:

I can agree that I too would die for MY country, not some other one that gives two flying hoots for us or our democratic ways. I also would die for my family and love ones. But to die for my country just for the heck of it and or to die in some off land for the wrong reasons, no I would not. But to go out and fully say Fuck America is way way out of line. I am all for free speech and the right to say what you want, but it goes beyond my understanding when someone says such words. For saying them implies that you would do nothing to stop the downfall of this country. If thats the case then why do you live in Florida and continue to use our resources and our system to your benefit. Explain to me your reasoning behind the words Cody.

me yea i'll even explain why i feel this way but i'm sure someone will find a way to attack me for it.

Whether the cause of this current war is just good bad whatever there are my peers out there fighting and sure i dont know them by name but i know they are out there for us i think if i was told i was needed i'd be there.

Also my grandfather had 1 star earned in WW2 got sliver stars purple hearts he was up for Medal of honor even but cause he was working for OSS nothing happened. I also am related to Hap Arnold and i feel like i'm here from these men who did so much to make the US a great place *i like it so buzz off lol* If i was needed i can't step away.

Maybe you disagree with my thoughts but thats fine with me we need to stick to our belifes

i would never die for a country. its usually over the leaders own personal gains that we fight for in the first place. it has been for centuries. whether it be for land, money, or the real reason we are in IRAQ right now, OIL. never die for anything, but my family and friends. war never has and never will actually solve anything, but being able to say HA! we are superior, bow down to us and kiss our feet. i would never die for a country

Judging by your quotes I can see why you believe that. This country is not built on ideals of bad, even if that is what your sig says. I strongly believe this country is guided by the will to do good in the world and for its citizens to do well. I'd die for this country, just so tomorrow's kids could grow up defying the ideals that America supposedly holds, according to you. How about passion, fight, unconformity, anti-political-correctness, moral conscience, honesty, tolerance for difference and intolerance for divisiveness. Yeah, I'd die for that flag that has been draped over thousands of coffins because men stood to fight for those ideas. I'm here today because men before me did.

your here now brother because of the original ideals this country was founded upon. when we broke away from britain everyone wanted change from the opressing govt in britain. if you truly believe your quotes are accurate today in america than you are CONFORMED, iIGNORANT, and ASSIMILATED. you would kill others even if you find it wrong so that their children cannot grow up. therefore you are SUBMITTING to the govt and Bush or whoever the president is to do their bidding. you are using BRUTAL force in order so set you self up as the ELITE country. you COMPROMISE the well being of others for what you have been told is right and good. so why take away another country's future by destroying it?

your here now brother because of the original ideals this country was founded upon.
No, the original idelas of America are being changed with every single new and old amendment on things such as same-sex marriage, on God and country, every modification to welfare, social security,every abuse of the first amendment, every frivilous lawsuit, every tax raise, every time a child is denied the right to life, and every time we give in to terrorism and ideals that are not the American way.

No, the original idelas of America are being changed with every single new and old amendment on things such as same-sex marriage, on God and country, every modification to welfare, social security,every abuse of the first amendment, every frivilous lawsuit, every tax raise, every time a child is denied the right to life, and every time we give in to terrorism and ideals that are not the American way.

your points are very valid and i respect that. however the original constitution is not really lived by anymore. now with the patriot act our liberties are diminishing, but those who support bush say o well he knows what he is doing

there are situations when fighting for your country, and possibly dieing is okay. think about WWII. were I alive and at the right age back then I would have certainly defended the free world against the Axis powers. There are certain just causes that have been presented before, and will present themselves again.

i dont know for sure i dont think i would have even fought in ww2. roosevelt knew the attack was coming, but did nothing. all he wanted to do was get the US involved so that we would all support the war and to get a quick buck. we did not need to fight with germany. they may have declared war on us, but honestly we did not need to fight them. our only beef was with japan and should have stayed that way. i know everyone is thinking what the hell germany needed to get their asses kicked they invaded and killed millions of innocent people they needed to be put to an end. i realize this and i agree, but it was not our fight. it was europes. i know someone will say well when countries are in trouble they need us. well then we need to invade britain right now. look what they are doing to the IRISH. invading a smaller country to take it over. ireland is the only country i would die for. they have been put through so much shit because of the british over centuries. but o well everyone forgets that when they argue invading a smaller country is wrong and needs to be put to an end

world war II was the balance of power in Europe, and that certainly affects the rest of the world. Japan and Germany were in cahoots, and if you were against one of them, you were against both of them. look at Russia during WWII. if the brits were defeated in WWII, and they certainly would have been had we not been involved in the war, we would probably be speaking German right now. think about it. Germany wins in Europe. They basically turn Europe into one big nazi nation. into a grand superpower. it would spell defeat for the US and everyone else. no way would Roosevelt let that happen. He saw the signifigance of the war, as did everyone else in the world. hence WORLD WAR II.

we would not be speaking german for hundreds of years if something like that were to happen. what would have happened instead is both the U.S. and Germany would have been aqcuiring arms and land and then a final showdown would have began. it will happen in the future, between which countries cant say. it will happen

Without a doubt i would. WWII, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, it doesn't matter to me. I would be willing to die for my country in all of em. I'm not saying it would be a goal in life to die for my country, but i would if i had to.