03+ Cobra vs. Z06??

Ok... as far as I know, and I may be a biased Chevy person, but in the 1/4 a Z06 is definitely faster. The Cobra is portly, and times I've seen are in the 12.8 area, while a Z06 comes in around 12 and a half as we all know. I even saw a magazine comparison between a regular C5 and cobra, they had about even 1/4 times. Just wanted others opinions on this???

yea the c5 is faster but do you know the speeds they finished at??

Well, in Car Comparisons the Stang guys are INSISTING that a Cobra hangs w/ a Z06 and rapes a C5, it is annoying!!!

No, I do not know trap speeds, but what difference does it make at this point, they do what they do.

Well you and others keep saying 12.5 for a Z06 I saw one that said 12.3 .Well there are magazine articles that tested brand new, unmolested S/C Cobras and they mustered up 12.7(no correction) for a Vert and 12.5(no correction) for the hardtop in the 1320.

What else do you want me to say 12.3 vs 12.5 that's hanging.... and if the Z06 guy messes up at all that's losing.

he has a point, ofcourse we could always take away cobra's precious s/c and then run the numbers, or better yet put a supercharger on the vette. and then we could always throw the two cars on a road coarse and see which does better...

Road and Track had a comparison of the blown cobra and a Z06, and in every aspect 1/4, skid the Z06 won hands down. Fords pathetic atempt with the Cobra to rival the Z06 was and still is a failure, like all ford products.

JMHO

I have NEVER seen a STOCK zo6 run in the 12's and I have been to several tracks. On the other hand, I have NEVER seen a STOCK cobra run in the 12's either. Also You guys are comparing a 50K+ car to a 35k+car. I will be the first to tell you if you drop the money in the cobra to even come close to equal the vette in price I can garuntee you the z06 would be brought to it's knees in every aspect. 7-8 thousand bucks in the engine and you are at an ez 550+ HP. That another7-8 thousand bucks to do suspension and other crap. Also That precious supercharger is probabally the smartet thing ford has done to that engine. It's not the cobras fault that GM is to blind to the fact that FI kicks absoulte ass. Don't hate the playa, hate the game ( I always wanted to say that :icon16: )

Road and Track had a comparison of the blown cobra and a Z06, and in every aspect 1/4, skid the Z06 won hands down. Fords pathetic atempt with the Cobra to rival the Z06 was and still is a failure, like all ford products.

Don't call it pathetic untill you can beat it

your money arguement is valid, but if you have to compare model levels. the cobra is ford's answer to the corvette, and a wrong answer at that. now if you put 10 grand into the cobra, its only fair to be able to put 10 grand into the vette also, which at ten grand you can make yourself a lingenvette which will take much of everything. im not one of those guys who bashes ford regardless, but in this instance you have to admit the vette is a superior vehicle...

your money arguement is valid, but if you have to compare model levels. the cobra is ford's answer to the corvette, and a wrong answer at that. now if you put 10 grand into the cobra, its only fair to be able to put 10 grand into the vette also, which at ten grand you can make yourself a lingenvette which will take much of everything. im not one of those guys who bashes ford regardless, but in this instance you have to admit the vette is a superior vehicle...

Well I AM a person that bashes fords every chance I get, and I would like to say your answer is right on the money.

With the demise of the F-Body, the blown Cobra was brought out to go heads up with the Corvette, and again IMHO THEY HAVE FAILED MISERABLY. The Z06 Vette N/A is faster than the blown Cobra period. Could you imagine if GM produced the vette with a blower? it would be awesome.

If it were not for Ford, there would be no need for junk yards.

If you guys honestly think they the 03-04 Cobra's are Ford's answer to the Vette and Z06 then your sadly mistaken. Ford is not trying to compete with the Z06 with a S/C Cobra I mean the $35,000 vs the $55,000 price tag should tell you that. If you can't understand that then you are just blinded by your ignorance to only see what you want.

All you guys do is whine about the S/C well how bout we take the extra 1.1L away?

Z06 405hp/346 cu.=1.17hp/cu
1.17hp/cu * 281cu= 328hp
So if the Z06 made the same hp/cu and was a 4.6 instead of a 5.7 it would only make 328hp.

Let's do another one:
02 SS 325hp/346cu=.94hp/cu
.94hp/cu * 281cu= 264hp
So if the LS1 was a 281 it would make 260hp.

Wait there is more... I want you all to understand before you speak again.

04 Ford Mustang GT 260hp/281cu=.93hp/cu
.93hp/cu * 346cu= 322hp
So if an 04 Mustang GT was a 346 like the LS1 it would make 322hp

4V N/A 305hp/281cu=1.1hp/cu
1.1hp/cu * 346cu= 376hp
The N/A 4V would make 376hp as a 4.6!!!!! who needs a S/C?

03-04 Cobra 390hp/381=1.39hp/cu
1.39hp/cu * 346cu=481hp
Do I even need to comment on that one?

Now I did not do this out to say Chevy is cheating or anything like that. Chevy wants to go and make a 5.7L engine more power to them. But I'm so sick and tired of hearing Chevy owners saying the S/C is cheating or it's the only way Ford can make power or let's take the S/C off the Cobra or let's S/C a LS1 and then play. The bottom line is you have had 1.1L extra over Stangs for 7 years and now that Ford decided to S/C it and it's now killing LS1's and running with Z06's in the 1/4 mile you don't like it.

Well my 2 cents here is that when you take a car and S/C it kinda puts it in a class of its own.

Ford in the US seems to always wanted to play with the 5.0. Chevy has the 5.7.

So the argument seems null and void.
But down under all I can say is that there is not one single ford here that old or new that doesnt have a 351 or a 5.4L.

Dont get me wrong I like anything thats fast.
But when you have to place S/C on things just to keep up with the Jones' I believe that any comparison between N/a and S/C is apples and oranges.

Well my 2 cents here is that when you take a car and S/C it kinda puts it in a class of its own.

Ford in the US seems to always wanted to play with the 5.0. Chevy has the 5.7.

So the argument seems null and void.
But down under all I can say is that there is not one single ford here that old or new that doesnt have a 351 or a 5.4L.

Dont get me wrong I like anything thats fast.
But when you have to place S/C on things just to keep up with the Jones' I believe that any comparison between N/a and S/C is apples and oranges.

The argument is no less valid than all the go S/C a LS1 Maro or Vette threads that I have heard a million Chevy guys say.

You can say N/A vs S/C is apples to oranges but that does not make one inferior which a large mass of Chevy fans like to imply.

well.. since we seem to be working on an unmeasurable budget.. and prices dont matter lets take a look.. z06 beats the cobra but both get destroyed by the FORD GT.. and im sure we could find someone with enough money to make a camaro that fast.. you have to take money into consideration when you compare cars. the cobra is more reasonably priced than the z06, but nothing really beats the attitude that comes with owning a Corvette Z06.. its like comparing a v6 camaro to a Z28 on a stock base. the Z would win hands down.. but if you put the difference into a v6 and keep the Z28 stock.. who knows..

Sorry man but is simply stupid the comparicion of a vette to the Cobra even when you look at it from the money side.

Have you ever been in a 2004 corvette and drove it around. man that thing is like a computer it tells you everything shows you everything does all the work for you. Have you seen the Head- Up Display inpirated from the F-15.
only next to the fuel tank measument has 5 option buttons without including the reset one. And dont come telling me that all those things can be added to the cobra in which case will look like an engine room full of meters. It has amazing,suspension, handling, cornering, braking. Great Fuel Economy (city 19MPG 28MPG highway better than the cobra). Hardly losing control of the vehicle(nothing is impossible right). 405-HP Solo Engine Power. Maybe you will say but the SVtcobra has only 15 less! Well yes but I would say that you could only upgrade it to 450 Hp without shitting anything. However after that if you start changing things like crazy you might as well end up as my friend having overheating problems. Look at the Vette in that situation put a Superchager sure you might end up changing some stuff as well to compensate the amount of air going to the engine to cool it down.But will defetly end up having more.Heck i met this guy in the track that had a 2003 Vette kicking 510 HP and said that he was just starting to get serious about his Vette(by the way He was kind of crazy but was a richi guy:2cents:). And to kill you once and for all the Corvette weights 500 (6XX convertible)POUNDS less than the Cobra.
And you're getting a first class car for only $52,985 (Z06) Vs. Cobra $35,370 and Convertible: $39,750.But hey maybe you should go buy the cobra all the technology that the Corvette has and even more then recomend it to the annual clocks award.

Final Stament There is simply no way in this world or another for a cobra to be evenly compare to the corvette or Camaro (I might add) in Price Power and else.
Please Somebody gime me a hell yeah.

Ok, GTstang... let's put it this way... when I get my LS6 conversion, 03+ Cobra's are gonna spank me right?
I mean... A lighter car making more HP usually loses right?
i want to find an 03+ whe nI do it just to beat it to come back here.
All I have been tryin to say is that in the 1/4, it is my intelligent opinion that the Cobra is pretty equal to an LS6 F-body... not a Z06.
Another thing you most likely get w/ that extra $15K is a more efficient drivetrain, so the Vettes'll be putting more power to the ground at the same numbers. Don't they also come with bigger rubber?
Does anyone remember what magazine did a comparison between a reguar C5 and a 03+ Cobra and the C5 still had a better 1/4 time due to it's superiority in all other areas outside of HP numbers. Suspension has an effect on 1/4 times, it affects the launch does it not. And as for the LS6, Chevy likes to underrate it's engines as well.

I remember when they did a test against the new Z06 vs. the new viper SRT-10 in the 1/4 and the z06 only lost by .4 seconds in the 1/4.Now if an 03+ cobra can beat a Z06 then thats like saying the cobra can hang with a new viper which I know is not true.I think the Cobra can hang with a z06 (in some cases) but with equal drivers I'm sorry but the z06 is gonna take the win.I've seen alot of 03 cobra running low 13's and I've seen some z06's running low 13's too.Driver is the most important fact in racing.A really good driver in a 03 cobra against a fair to bad driver in a z06 the 03 cobra is gonna most likely win.With equal drivers the z06.
The bottom line is a Z06 can be beaten by an 03+ cobra.

Now as far as comparing the cobra to the Z06 on the other stuff I'll leave GTStang to handle that :worshippy :thumbsup:

I like em both

I like em both

:iamwithst

If I have to spend my hard earned money to buy one. So going with the Cobra. If both where priced close . Z06 without a doubt

Ok, GTstang... let's put it this way... when I get my LS6 conversion, 03+ Cobra's are gonna spank me right?
I mean... A lighter car making more HP usually loses right?
i want to find an 03+ whe nI do it just to beat it to come back here.
All I have been tryin to say is that in the 1/4, it is my intelligent opinion that the Cobra is pretty equal to an LS6 F-body... not a Z06.
Another thing you most likely get w/ that extra $15K is a more efficient drivetrain, so the Vettes'll be putting more power to the ground at the same numbers. Don't they also come with bigger rubber?
Does anyone remember what magazine did a comparison between a reguar C5 and a 03+ Cobra and the C5 still had a better 1/4 time due to it's superiority in all other areas outside of HP numbers. Suspension has an effect on 1/4 times, it affects the launch does it not. And as for the LS6, Chevy likes to underrate it's engines as well.

Well you said that a Z06 runs 12.5, then you said that your LS6 Camaro would still get raped by a Z06. The article has a 03-04 stick hardtop Cobra bone stock ripping a 12.5(no correction) 1/4 mile run. So I put what I know... add in what you know.... and I get a LS6 Camaro will lose to a 03-04 Cobra. Now if you want to change anything you said go ahead but now you know where my conclusions are coming from.

As far as drivetrain C5's and 03-04 Cobra both use 6-speeds with the same gear ratios but The Cobra uses 3.55 in the rear vs the C5's 3.42. So in actually for 1/4 mile racing the Cobra is a better set-up. Stock rear rubber on a C5 is 275/40R18 on the Cobra stock rear rubber is 275/40R17 so no the C5 does not have bigger(wider) rubber.

If you want to race an 03+ Cobra I know a few guys up here with them that will be happy to oblige.

When it comes to suspension, both cars have the crappiest suspension ever for drag racing. IRS is not drag race friendly.

There was a television program I watched about 6 months ago called "Detroit Auto Talk" on Cox cable channel 56. On this particular program they had the Vice President of Ford in charge of the Mustang program. He stated "that the entire concept of the S/C Cobra "WAS TO GO HEADS UP WITH THE CORVETTE" that was the main reason for producing the vehicle. It was to be a low production limited item, because he felt the "main stream Mustang buyer would not purchase it" . The vehicle was more in line with the T-Bird, that it appealed to a Nitch of customers.

Either way I STILL DO NOT LIKE FORD VEHICLES.

JMHO

tis a good point...

and as for the comparing of the s/c cobra versus the vette, i only look at it in the same sense as car makers and magazines look at it. they both have small block v-8s and their platforms are similar (in the sense of what the purpose of the car is) so you can compare the two vehicles. ofcourse i agree that they are in different worlds, but im just explaining where my comparison came from. also i dont think that money is a huge factor here, i know that the vette is more expensive, but how much of the money actually goes into making the car faster. there's a good portion of the price that accounts for things like the HUD and the beast sound system or interior. again, not using this as an excuse, just trying to explain where im coming from a little bit.

now if the cobra isnt the answer to the vette what is?(prior to the GT) the saleen, or the gt, or the rousch, or one of the other three million types of mustangs that ford makes...

Ok... 12.5 for a Cobra must've been a freak... I went looknig in Mustang Forums around the net, most of them had times of 12.8... I never saw a 12.5 anywhere. 12.8 is probably what'll I'll do w/ an LS6 swap, so yea, a Cobra and me will be a good race. I mean, there were one or two LS1 F-bodies that ran 12.9 stock, does this mean that LS1 F-bodies can hang w/ C5s or 03+ Cobras...NO. Ocassionally flukes do happen. I'd say Cobra norm is 12.8 to the Z06's 12.5. Unless you have links to prove different... I'll find some for my point of view.

why can we all just get along =p