realistic drawing

what happened to it???

all these futuristic concepts and toonz being drawn lately

what happened to all the realistic drawings...the ones that look like black and white photos

they're fading away...sum people are still preserving it but barely

i can shit my pants and find a concept drawing ...thats how common they are now...

i dont know why i made this post...just wanted to know if anyone else feels the same way...

long live the wendy's burger!

Well they take a long time to do, right. :iceslolan

Did you ever post a large pict. of your White Teg.
My neighbor has a white Ford Lightning and he wants me to "realistically" :) draw the thing. I have never drawn a white vehicle so I wanted to get some ideas from your white teg and from you. If you don't mind

Thx

al

^ They do take along time. You don't expect a good 7 hour drawing to come along every day do you? Plus most of us are doing this as a hobby, If it was my job I'd be doing it all the time, but as it is I've got more things to do than just draw, as im sure everyone else has. Concepts and Toonz take <1 hour, so they suit alot of people. One of my Grandad's friends wants me to draw his Morgan, so you can be sure of a good 5 hour+ plus drawing from me. It's also a thing of ability. Not everyone here can draw realistic cars well, and concepts and Toonz are a good way to let your arm flow and to enjoy your self, which is better than leaning over a drawing for 3+ hours, which can get a bit frustrating.

How many have you done? For me 26 sketches in just over a year is enough, and with only 6 or 7 people 'regualy' drawing good quality realistic cars, you can't expect one every day of the year.

i know that it takes a long time for realistic drawings, and concepts and toonz are good practice but there are sooo many now...i dont expect arealistic drawing everyday, not at all, hell i take a long time to do them as well, but i think that if people are drawing toonz and concepts that they should definately move on to trying to draw a realistic car, even it takes them a few more hours...i have a bit more time now, so i'll try to to more of them...

aseanz, once my computer gets fixed, ill post it,,,ohh, hah, nvm i got a pic...its old though, not blended with a tort or stump :(...not very happy with it now but here:

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/2/web/518000-518999/518254_48_full.jpg

edit: damnit, looking at this teg makes me feel embarrased...look at the rims, ewww...damn, i gotta finish sum more cars.

damn computer, it doesnt want to turn on anymore, maybe its from me hitting it all the time cuz it was making funny noises...

Its because they take so damn long...I have been spending hours and hours working on a realistic drawing. Concept cars are more fun, and quick. I have been doing conceptual art for years, and still do.

I think trends come and go on this board like they do anywhere.

There is a lot of concepts and toons right now, but 2 weeks ago that wasn't the case.

I also think time is an individual thing. I can put 24 hours in a cartoon easy. The mental time spent in the drawing regardless of methodology or medium is where an artist grows IMO.

You can learn as much from a 20 second sketch as you can from a 20 hour painting. It's a matter of perspective.

About your Drawing:

It's a nice piece and you should be proud of it. Now put it away. Sometimes you can place too much mental emphasis on a drawing and it drains you. It can prevent you from moving forward. When you start selling your work to auto clients on a regular basis they'll beat you up enough. Enjoy yourself. It's fun.

From a standpoint of toons vs realistic. There is no right or wrong. Do what you like. Both are viable forms of art. Cars comes out next fall. Pixar all toons. One is not more valuable than the other. If value is determined by how much money they sell for, it depends on who does it. Thom Taylor's toons aren't cheap just cause their toons. Greg Tedders art isn't expensive because it's realistic. It's because they're good.

My question is:

Where's the paintings?

-Lemorris

SeCrEtMoDdEr, you should be proud of your teg. It looks great. It is freehand right? Thx for posting it again. I guess I missed it awhile back.

al

Paintings? waiting on you Lemorris...hee hee :)

I am building up. I bought a spider man paint color book. I will be using some water colors and get the feel of paint. I figure better to practice on line art first then to spend lots of time drawing cars only to mess them up w/ paint

oooo paint, thats very interesting...unfortunately im a bum and have no cash,dough,green,money,etc. to spend on paint, canvas,brushes, all that

doesn't your wife paint???

My wife paints big time, and she can draw like you wouldn't believe. However she can't draw a cartoon to save her life. LOLOL

I have seen wonderful automotive paintings, and they are valued at a very high level. The automotive art that is in private collections around the world ranges from stick figure cars, cartoons, drawings and paintings.

I actually have a few watercolor/ Dr. martin dye cars somewhere around here.

Many automotive illustrators use water media to add color to their work. I imagine you can get into a set of watercolors for very little cash.

Ask Santa.

Al,

Look into some liquid mask. It might make all the difference for you.

-Lemorris

I have seen wonderful automotive paintings, and they are valued at a very high level.


that reminds me....i have a huge oil painting i did that i havent taken a picure and posted yet....@kustmace- its that eldorado from way back

I think trends come and go on this board like they do anywhere.

There is a lot of concepts and toons right now, but 2 weeks ago that wasn't the case.

I also think time is an individual thing. I can put 24 hours in a cartoon easy. The mental time spent in the drawing regardless of methodology or medium is where an artist grows IMO.

You can learn as much from a 20 second sketch as you can from a 20 hour painting. It's a matter of perspective.


From a standpoint of toons vs realistic. There is no right or wrong. Do what you like. Both are viable forms of art. Cars comes out next fall. Pixar all toons. One is not more valuable than the other. If value is determined by how much money they sell for, it depends on who does it. Thom Taylor's toons aren't cheap just cause their toons. Greg Tedders art isn't expensive because it's realistic. It's because they're good.


-Lemorris

yes. to all of this.

i, too, work in trends: i may be on a realism kick for like 5 months. then i suddenly get a creative urge to make concept cars. as for me, i have done more of the former -realistic drawings. so i am personally sick of it. and i don't need to prove a damn thing to anyone or myself because i can already do it. i don't think mechanical mimesis of a photo is necessarily the body of work that i'd feel most proud of insofar as leaving a legacy. i'm far more interested in creating the new designs or images that others will mimic and copy. a "leader."

i think to develop the skill to render realism, however, is paramount and i encourage everyone here to mimic and render in reality for as long as it takes. and this, too, can be creative in that you, the artist as creator, can choose the angle, the compostion, color scheme, etc, in any realism scenario. the bar is further raised if this is executed mechanically masterfully, with the scene being of an original idea from the illustrator's own camera.

mastery is evident, too, when mechanical draftsmanship becomes a matter-of-fact; ie, is so good that the process is invisible and a given. then, going even deeper into the art and craft process, the artist begins to manipulate a raw reference model and/or photo into a heretofore non-existent compostion replete with mind-blowing lighting effects and enviromental architecture or plant-life.

this is what renaissance masters attained and held sacred: realism. yet higher yet was regarded the essence of poetry, story, emotive force, creative illusion, social commentary, high-art --all for sale within the enlightened mastery of materials and science. this idea, in my sincerist view, is the ulitmate marriage of the experiencial immersion of the artist within the creative mind and state of spiritual being. it is a dance of both the mind and the heart, the real with the unreal, the tenable with the sublime, that garners an overall impression of mastery and attraction to the work without any clear definition of why one is so attracted to it.

ya damn right!

you know they say that Bonzelite is one bad mutha (shut'cho mouf!!) I'm just talkin bout Bonz.

For real though I agree.

You can't pull off a convincing cartoon if you can't draw for real in the first place. As I continue to develop I see more and more. I watch as my wife explores things like the flemish techniques they used in the late 1800's and it's pretty apparent that if she didn't know how to draw the horse and landscape in the first place she wouldn't be able to achieve the painterly effects that define her style in her work.

I especially like your "mimic" line bonz. No matter how long it takes. That's awesome. For me the "how long" is always. If you ever get to the point where you have nothing else to learn....you're dead.

-Lemorris

I'd like to make another statement. With realistic drawings you arent as "free" to just do what ever you want, you have to follow the picture. With sketching I can get into this "zone" and just sit there for hours just feeling my arm race across the paper with really wild, loose lines. Hell, I was up until 3:30 last night sketching...(but half the sketches suck).

GTmike, i don't think i've seen any of you drawings, can you post some?
I just realised the 200 odd thousand post! you really posted that much?

Thanks.

:)

GTmike, i don't think i've seen any of you drawings, can you post some?
I just realised the 200 odd thousand post! you really posted that much?

Thanks.

:)

I have posted some about a year ago...for me drawing comes in phases. Some seasons I will draw, others I wont.

I might post some of the sketches, but a lot of them are not very good.

The 200,000...long story.

igor got a little freaky with the post count...

i've seen one of mikes drawings and thats the s2000, but im sure hes gotten loads better and i really want to see.

I havent completed a realistic drawing in about 8months. Started, but not finished.

Concept cars intrest me more, i like looking at realy concepts not just drawings of them. So it just makes sense to try and learn how to sketch and render my own designs then draw a concept from a picture. I dont think ive drawn one realistic car from a picture since i started drawing.

ya damn right!

you know they say that Bonzelite is one bad mutha (shut'cho mouf!!) I'm just talkin bout Bonz.

For real though I agree.

You can't pull off a convincing cartoon if you can't draw for real in the first place. As I continue to develop I see more and more. I watch as my wife explores things like the flemish techniques they used in the late 1800's and it's pretty apparent that if she didn't know how to draw the horse and landscape in the first place she wouldn't be able to achieve the painterly effects that define her style in her work.

I especially like your "mimic" line bonz. No matter how long it takes. That's awesome. For me the "how long" is always. If you ever get to the point where you have nothing else to learn....you're dead.

-Lemorris

hehehe. thankee much.

and yes. you are correct. however long it takes is forever. until we take the dirt-nap.

I'd like to make another statement. With realistic drawings you arent as "free" to just do what ever you want, you have to follow the picture. With sketching I can get into this "zone" and just sit there for hours just feeling my arm race across the paper with really wild, loose lines. Hell, I was up until 3:30 last night sketching...(but half the sketches suck).

that is true. doing strict realism, espcially of cars - a not very
forgiving subject matter, are similar to "boot camp." if you can render and draw and draft a realistic machine like a car, than you have graduated into a realm of the rare few.

however, intuitive/creative talent, when added to the skill, is a powerful force. ie, only drawing strict realism can become a habit just like anything else. it is important to be able to improvise. like lemorris says, were he not able to create realism comprehensively, he'd not be able to effectively make a kartoon. it is most often the draftspeople who wield a solid skill foundation in the basics that create the most innovative and "easy looking" kartoons or original designs.

only staying in the boot camp may work in reverse as time goes by. it can keep the artist from going farther. it is important to branch out and take some risks. conversely, only doing loosey-goosey 'concepts' and saying "well i did this in 8 minutes so it is just a concept and i can be this way and get away with this all of the time" is a lazy crutch.

the choice is up to the individual artist. motives for drawing differ from each person. and what one gets out of drawing is up to the artist to feel. if what i do is not appropriate, or even interesting, to another, than that is perfectly ok. drawing can be very frightening and bring up all sorts of latent/repressed emotional baggage. all kinds of denial are wrapped up in one's talents. i can sit here and preach all of this wonderful sounding crap and not live up to my own ideals. i can withold from myself untapped personal journeys into my own growth if i sit here staring at the empty paper in utter fear of making a shitty-looking drawing. my sense of pride can inhibit me from taking free-throws or practice shots. the "perfectionist" mentality can justify not continuing. "this must mimic life completely or i will not draw anything."

in my past, i have been straight-jacketed by some of these aforementioned things. i have wasted years of valuable time that cannot be bought back. i have squandered hours, years, of my life chasing my tail and going nowhere.

i feel that it is okay to absolutely fail and get embarrassed in front of peers. these moments in life, if avoided, proportionately prevent successes of large magnitudes. i have done paying jobs tired, emotionally damaged, even badly outright. and i have been embarrassed over it. i once did a drawing of a skyline on a napkin as i was drunk, trying to impress someone one night, and it looked like shit. this bothered me for weeks, my empty bravado.

looking over past work from 3, 4, 5 years ago, at times, i wince at how awful i was. i see, too, evidence of emerging skill and success hidden inside an overall awful drawing. but NOT doing bad work is one less drawing away from doing that excellent piece that changes everything. the greatest black belt or marksman, still, to this day, has bad days and performs badly. the teacher needs a teacher as much as the student. the teacher finds themselves the student constantly.

Chad, is your other alias Confuscious (Kun fu Xi)?

Chad, is your other alias Confuscious (Kun fu Xi)?

lol! hehehe.:rofl:

well, i am a yellow belt in seven-star northern praying mantis kung fu, actually. not exactly kun fu xi but in the ballpark. spiritual cultivation of mind, spirit, and body. but i thought like this long before that.

Im a hot pink belt in Thai Soy Sauce... :rolleyes:

im a guy who thinks you all are psychos

the only belt i have is the one thats keeping my pants from falling and my ass from showing when i wear jeans.

yellow belt is not very high up there, like it's retard level!! but, maybe someday....

im a guy who thinks you all are psychos

the only belt i have is the one thats keeping my pants from falling and my ass from showing when i wear jeans.

If anybody is abnormal its you...

i rode the yellow school bus all through high school, even as a senior. i'm so cool.

"i sit here staring at the empty paper in utter fear of making a shitty-looking drawing. my sense of pride can inhibit me from taking free-throws or practice shots. the "perfectionist" mentality can justify not continuing"

"If you ever get to the point where you have nothing else to learn....you're dead"

"the greatest black belt or marksman, still, to this day, has bad days and performs badly. the teacher needs a teacher as much as the student. the teacher finds themselves the student constantly."

wow, those are some profound comments, it is easy to forget that even the best have their bad days and learning is constant.

abnormal like a fox!

Not with the fox again! Holy crap...