“We will cut off the hands of those people....."

“We will cut off the hands of those people, we will slit their throats if it is necessary to do so,”

Does this sound like a terrorist statement to you?

You may be surprised to learn that this came from the mouth of the new Iraqi Defence minister.He has also indicated that martial law is a possibility for Iraq when the 'handover' is completed.

Where is the freedom that Bush claimed to be bringing to Iraq?And how is martial law under this kind of extremist any better than Saddam's dictatorship?

Another of Bush's lies starts to crumble.Democracy for Iraq? Bush will never deliver.Put it in the 'fiction' file with the WMD.

http://breaking.tcm.ie/2004/06/18/story152924.html

It's the Arabic way.

“We will cut off the hands of those people, we will slit their throats if it is necessary to do so,”

Does this sound like a terrorist statement to you?

You may be surprised to learn that this came from the mouth of the new Iraqi Defence minister.He has also indicated that martial law is a possibility for Iraq when the 'handover' is completed.

Where is the freedom that Bush claimed to be bringing to Iraq?And how is martial law under this kind of extremist any better than Saddam's dictatorship?

Another of Bush's lies starts to crumble.Democracy for Iraq? Bush will never deliver.Put it in the 'fiction' file with the WMD.

http://breaking.tcm.ie/2004/06/18/story152924.html
I agree with zebrathree on this one. It's the way they deal with criminals there. Unfortunatly it's the way Sadaam dealt with anyone who opposed him whether they were criminals or not.Not to mention trying to wipe them off the map with chemical weapons. I think martial law is a mistake. Mostly because there aren't enough trained Iraqi military personnel yet to carry it out. US personnel will have to be used and that will only piss the rest of the world off more.

Is there martial law there now? Or is this more postering and hyperbole again?

blah blah blah :disappoin

So in other words, once the US government hands over control, nothing's gonna change? Democracy isn't in the Iraqi vocabulary. I don't even know why anyone tried.

Cause we were really bored.

sickening....

thats all i have to say

Is there martial law there now?

Don't know.Better ask all those foreign guys in tanks and jets.....

Finally a topic Naki started that isn't bashing Bush to bits.

Naki do you have a better idea to get Iraq under control? If so please send an email to the President of the USA explaining your idea. Right now its not working, when it doesn't work you have to get harsher, once in line things can change.

Finally a topic Naki started that isn't bashing Bush to bits.

Naki do you have a better idea to get Iraq under control? If so please send an email to the President of the USA explaining your idea. Right now its not working, when it doesn't work you have to get harsher, once in line things can change.

So by your logic, if something doesnt work you have to be harsher? So if noone listens to you, do you cut off their ears to be harsher? No...and how do you know its not working? All you see is the stuff that CNN and all those other shitty government biased tv news shows you see, so sorry bud, i'm gonna have to say that Martial law is not the right way to go....

And once things get into line, and the punishments arent as severe, then everyone will do whatever they want, since the punishments will seem like basically nothing to them then... If anythign i say try to keep the country calm at this moment and not to introduce martial law (unless its allready been introduced)

These are just my :2cents:, you dont have to agree with them, but thats the way i see it...

So are you saying that we should take their shit and when they act up just smack their behinds in hopes they will calm down and stop?

How about we have a shoot on site policy? If we see a gun on you we kill you! That would stop alot of it. Or you kill one of our solidrs or policeman we kill 10 of yours.

Do you have any kids? When my kids misbehave they get thrown into thier rooms and told to stop the shit. That works rubbing their ass telling them to behave doesn't. So yes tighten the reigns to control the people.

No thats not what im saying, im saying that yes there should be punishments but not as harsh as "cutting off peoples hands, and slitting their throats." If you wanted to do that then Saddam's power should never have been taken away from him. He ruled with an iron fist, and look at how all the other countries look at it, hell even if he didnt kill innocent people and just killed all criminals, its still just as bad." And what gives anyone the right to take another persons hand or slitting their throat? If the government can do it then why cant anyone else? Why should the government have special power? It is also made up of people, so why in the hell are they above the law?


Just remember: Violence does not end Violence....

/\ I hope your kidding about the rubbing of your childrens ass, maybe thats why they are misbehaving....:lol2:
No one knows a for sure way to get Iraq under control...let's just see how this works out and try and use another method better than martial law...

Right now its not working, when it doesn't work you have to get harsher, once in line things can change.

Nice theory,but the capital punishment argument kinda blows it out of the water.In theory,the countries with capital punishment should have the lowest murder rates......ooooooooooops,not the case.

Perhaps if you think it's such a good idea to get tougher on people until they comply with the law,you could address the issue of firearms -related murders?the countries with the highest firearms related murders should have the toughest gun ownership laws? ooooops. never mind.

Your argument isn't working,and isn't being universally applied.

do you have a better idea to get Iraq under control?

That's the problem. When America stops trying to control the world, the world may stop hating it. Cracking down on Iraq won't stop terrorism, it will just make it worse.

US will have to be used and that is the way it will be. US will be the center for HELL RAISING regardless of who the president it.

Getting Iraq under control will NOT happen! One power starving dick to another. Death,Starvation,Murder,Rape, Ect. Is here in the US and nothing is changing, so trying to change another country, which is in living hell and has been for how long? These changes, yet noble and helpful, NO results will be noticed for yr's.

These murders being glorified on TV are nothing new. I say they kill one of us, we kill their whole group! No room for error.

That's the problem. When America stops trying to control the world, the world may stop hating it.

HA! I'll be impressed if Bush can control his own damned country, much less another's...

US will have to be used and that is the way it will be. US will be the center for HELL RAISING regardless of who the president it.


Well you know, there was talk of UN member nations sending a peacekeeping force, but the US was unwilling to relinquish any political control, so the idea was scrapped. The US went before the UN and asked for foreign soldiers to take orders from Americans. Not effin likely.


Getting Iraq under control will NOT happen! One power starving dick to another. Death,Starvation,Murder,Rape, Ect. Is here in the US and nothing is changing, so trying to change another country, which is in living hell and has been for how long? These changes, yet noble and helpful, NO results will be noticed for yr's.


The difference is, the people in power care about what is happening in Iraq, as they have a vested interest in getting money out of the country. In the US, they already have an established system of draining money out of the people, so they don't need to make any drastic changes.

Results were noticed the minute the first shots were fired, everything went straight to hell. Things were bad after a decade of sanctions, and over the last year and a half, they have steadily gotten worse.


These murders being glorified on TV are nothing new. I say they kill one of us, we kill their whole group! No room for error.

You can stop talking now.

The US went before the UN and asked for foreign soldiers to take orders from Americans. Not effin likely.

The US should never go before a useless organization like the UN. They like to stand by and whine like the impotent little men. Spinless cowards and political hacks. The sentiment of foreign soliers not effin likely to take orders from and American works the other way around too.

Results were noticed the minute the first shots were fired, everything went straight to hell. Things were bad after a decade of sanctions, and over the last year and a half, they have steadily gotten worse.

Incorrect. Things have steadily gotten better.

Incorrect. Things have steadily gotten better.
How so?

The US should never go before a useless organization like the UN. They like to stand by and whine like the impotent little men. Spinless cowards and political hacks. The sentiment of foreign soliers not effin likely to take orders from and American works the other way around too.



Your opinion on the UN not withstanding, the US needs foreign soldiers in Iraq, the US does not have enough manpower to fully occupy the country and fight a guerrilla war. Internationalization of the force could do much to stabilize the situation in Iraq, as Iraqis might be more comfortable seeing soldiers from many nations keeping the peace, rather than Americans, the ones who invaded them, fighting a guerrilla war in their backyard.


Incorrect. Things have steadily gotten better.

Great, why don't you tell me how their standard of living has improved? How their economy is doing! Now that Iraq is a free market capitalist country, how are they fixed for health care? That becomes important when large portions of the country are poisoned with DU residue. Oh, and where's the money from the oil that was supposed to rebuild the country?

Your opinion on the UN not withstanding, the US needs foreign soldiers in Iraq, the US does not have enough manpower to fully occupy the country and fight a guerrilla war.

Thats just what Iraq and the U.S. does not need, more foreign troops in Iraq, they need more Iraqi security ppl, then there wil be peace but moving in more foriegn troops in iraq would make the iraqis more mad. Oh and about democracy never working in an arab country is false, what about quatar(spelling?!) it is becoming a democracy slowly but surley, dont say something wont work until you have tried it.

Thats just what Iraq and the U.S. does not need, more foreign troops in Iraq, they need more Iraqi security ppl, then there wil be peace but moving in more foriegn troops in iraq would make the iraqis more mad. Oh and about democracy never working in an arab country is false, what about quatar(spelling?!) it is becoming a democracy slowly but surley, dont say something wont work until you have tried it.

Sigh, that's right, we need to organize a cohesive Iraqi militia. That's going to be practically possible, given the ethnic, religious, and political differences of groups in Iraq. They're certainly going to succeed in keeping the peace, and not just become another armed faction in an increasingly unstable area.

The only workable solution is to multinationalize the occupation of Iraq, and restore ACTUAL control of the country to Iraqis. Then a political process can be established, without Iraqis viewing it as another system of control implemented by America.

Your opinion on the UN not withstanding, the US needs foreign soldiers in Iraq, the US does not have enough manpower to fully occupy the country and fight a guerrilla war. Internationalization of the force could do much to stabilize the situation in Iraq, as Iraqis might be more comfortable seeing soldiers from many nations keeping the peace, rather than Americans, the ones who invaded them, fighting a guerrilla war in their backyard.

Great, why don't you tell me how their standard of living has improved? How their economy is doing! Now that Iraq is a free market capitalist country, how are they fixed for health care? That becomes important when large portions of the country are poisoned with DU residue. Oh, and where's the money from the oil that was supposed to rebuild the country?

My opinion has nothing to do with the inadequecies of the UN.

The standard of living is better there. Its a simple correction to the mistaken statement of "they have steadily gotten worse"

I wish I had the money to give to them, but at last check the UN took a few tens of billions of it and lost it. :disappoin