keep it NA?

im thinking about keeping my 96 240sx NA. im thinking about new cams, higher compression, bolts ons. what do you all think about this?

sounds good, get your heads port and polished also.

sounds good, get your heads port and polished also.

thanks. yeah im going to port and polish and maybe bore it .20. any more suggestions?

I am going to keep my car NA also, and this is what I plan to do:

Right now just bought NGK laser-R double platinum spark plugs, k&n air intake, and HKS ground wire kit

going to get: a'pexi dual n1s and hotshot headers, heads port and polished, new jwt cams, and that's all for now.

I am going to keep my car NA also, and this is what I plan to do:

Right now just bought NGK laser-R double platinum spark plugs, k&n air intake, and HKS ground wire kit

going to get: a'pexi dual n1s and hotshot headers, heads port and polished, new jwt cams, and that's all for now.


i have the apexi n1 single and a no name intake. to finish off my exhaust im going to get obx headers (ive been told hotshot wont pass emissions) and a high flow cat. converter. how much power does anyone think i should get after everything?

You could get some neon lights, body kit and a wing. Thats good for 30 hp. LOL...just playin. Sorry...i have to make fun of F&F'ers and little bit.

You could get some neon lights, body kit and a wing. Thats good for 30 hp. LOL...just playin. Sorry...i have to make fun of F&F'ers and little bit.

there was no call for that because i never said anything about f&f. and if that comment was not directed toward me, im sorry for this reply.

Man...i know you never said anything about F&F. But some kids think that neon lights make you run 10's. And thats not true at all. So i'm sorry you missunderstood. It was not directed to you in anyway. But i just think that is funny that people think that so i was just acting like one to have fun. Sorry for the confusion.

Man...i know you never said anything about F&F. But some kids think that neon lights make you run 10's. And thats not true at all. So i'm sorry you missunderstood. It was not directed to you in anyway. But i just think that is funny that people think that so i was just acting like one to have fun. Sorry for the confusion.

oh ok lol no problem. sorry for making you explain your joke..i hate that shit.

I think OBX headers won't pass emissions either, they eliminate the cat don't they.

this seems to be the new trend. ka n/a. my two friend's are going at it and so are a few more (www.phase2motortrend.com has a project n/a with 200whp)

have fun. whatever floats your boat.

no need to port and polish the heads, won't do much on a KA24DE

new cams
pulleys
4-1 header
no cat
3" exhaust
straight through muffler
race valves
race retainers
race valve springs
(when I say race i mean better then stock)
High Comp pistons
Individual Throttle Bodies
Stand Alone Engine Managment

with all this stuff, my estimations would be around 220rwhp

will rev higher then shit, will rev up fast, and the powerband on it will make turbo lovers puke in envy.

^ how much will all that cost, an estimation.

My engine is like 100k so a lil port and polishing will probably do it good.

What SR20 said plus a lightened flywheel, lightened driveshaft. It may make turbo lovers puke, but a turbo KA will still win.lol

not nessecarily, you can make a NA KA24de have more power then a basic ka24de turbo setup.

you could easily make the engine produce 250rwhp on naturally aspirated power by raising compression, wilder cams, raising redline, excellent computer tuning and fuel delivery.

Plus you don't ever have any sort of turbo lag, when you hit it your in the powerband if all is tuned nicely. This will keep you from having to downshift all the time, not to mention the top end on a N/A car will have more power then a turbo car if you look at a dyno sheet.


now if you wanted to do a basic Na setup cheap here is what I advise

Header
Test Pipe
3" catback

make up a custom intake, remove battery to back of car, and lengthen MAF wiring, install MAF and piping to pax. side of car and have a nice straight, short tubing to the throttle body and no heat soak from running over the radiator.

LIghtweight Flywheel

LSD

245 sized rear tires

rebuild your motor, get a set of cams from JWT or etc.. use the pistons from a SOHC 240sx, these will work, they are a higher compression, they do not have the cutouts for the oil squirting function, but your not going turbo anyhow.

a set of pulleys


all of that would get you to about 180rwhp or so, and its cheaper then the first list I provided.

If you did things like the clutch, light flywheel, LSD, and Tires..thereby helping your traction and can really launch it, you might be able to run a low 14, depends on your driving ability. I have seen people run high 14's or very low 15's with just a few bolt-ons on their 240sx's before, so adding more compression, flywheel, and a set of cams would DEFINTELY spice it up a good amount.

a guy ran a 12.9 with a 250rwhp KA-T.... so if you went all out you would atleast have a naturally aspirated KA 240sx that could hang with new corvettes, and thats not exactly slow for a street car.

If I had the money to go NA, I would rebuild my KA and get a T04E with a SAFC 550ccs and run about 16psi. Way faster than any NA. When it comes to small engines, its all about efficiency. And that is where forced induction comes into play.

your talking about effeciency and how its good then you say to add a turbo charger?
:nono:

turbocharger or supercharger takes away effeciency...after all it does need something to run...perpetual motion can't happen lol

I think he means what works best, not what's more fuel efficient.

I would generally say go all TURBO, because the sr, ka and ca are all piss poor performance n/a. I mean sure you can make it fast if you inject some money and sure it might not have as much chance to screw up[like a turbo], at then end of the day less money+more performance = TURBO..

Supercharging a 240 would be relatively original, but risky imo. Turbo is a proven route time and time again. SImple yet effective..

peace

I think he means what works best, not what's more fuel efficient.

what he said. More horsepower & torque per cubic inch=engine efficiency. After all, torque is good.

i think n/a is always nice and better for me, its legal.

Yea does look like i hit the wrong post lol. So i'll say something about keeping it N/A.... Makes great for a sleeper! which is what i aim for!

HELLO? Can I help you?

dude, i think ur in the wrong thread...

well now im thinking about turbo too. im going to go up to the shop and see what they can tell me about custom fabricating a turbo kit. i was adding up the prices for NA, and its starting to get more expensive than FI. well ill tell everyone what ill do after i go to the shop. thanks to EVERYBODY who put in their thoughts and input.

actually N/A is almost cheaper then turbo if you really think about it

whats a turbo setup consist of, stuff you'd buy for NA plus more.....

Things for N/A that would be used on a god setup Turbo car

Pistons
Cams
Computer
Flywheel
Pulleys
Exhaust
Manifold
Test Pipe

now t hat your going turbo you also have to add these parts on top of that

wastegate
BOV
TURBO
Intercooler
Turbo Plumbing
more FLanges and Lines
Fuel Pump
Fuel Injectors
Headgasket
Head STuds

Things for N/a that wouldn't be normally used on TURBO

Individual Throttle Bodies


I fail to see how N/a costs more then a turbo setup........

actually N/A is almost cheaper then turbo if you really think about it

whats a turbo setup consist of, stuff you'd buy for NA plus more.....

Things for N/A that would be used on a god setup Turbo car

Pistons
Cams
Computer
Flywheel
Pulleys
Exhaust
Manifold
Test Pipe

now t hat your going turbo you also have to add these parts on top of that

wastegate
BOV
TURBO
Intercooler
Turbo Plumbing
more FLanges and Lines
Fuel Pump
Fuel Injectors
Headgasket
Head STuds

Things for N/a that wouldn't be normally used on TURBO

Individual Throttle Bodies


I fail to see how N/a costs more then a turbo setup........

this is what i got for NA: cams- 560, JWT ECU-600, pistons- about 400, valves/retainers-about 300, pulleys-around 300. and thats not everything and its already about 2160. i can probably get a custom fabricated turbo kit from my shop for about that price, maybe a little more or a little less. hell i can buy the greddy kit for 2555. not trying to argue just some friendly confrontation :)

I think its funny that all these guys come in here. "hey i dont have money for a Turbo or SR what would i need to make a 200WHP from an NA KA"

Dollar for Power - Turbo Ownz.

For 5k you could get a 225WHP KA But it would be Relatively High Strung
Engine (high piston speed is worse than Stress from boost, high lift cams wear quickly, cops hate open exhausts) sure you have "no Turbo lag" but boost onset at 2600RPM is better than an NA band that starts at 3500RPM and a Properly sized Turbo could Produce 300WHP and have nearly zero lag.

If you want to be Original and Badass NA power is the way to go. but if you want to make the big power buy a turbo

i think im more for the badass all around type of car modifiying.....

my ideal car really wouldn't be that much

Springs/Struts/Rollbars/Strut Bars/Custom Fab. Subframe Connectors

300zx brakes

Diff

Clutch

Flywheel

I/H/E cams springs retainers

whereas some people are more for all power and stock chassis, and even yet I see some with almost stock power and badass chassis.(more racers or weekend warriors--see PDM's black s13.....)

Sure it would be cool to have a 300-400whp 240sx, but lets get serious for a minute..... a stock 240sx is more then capable of landing you in jail. Also the money it takes to make that kind of power properly without blowing shit up all the time(and it still happens) is more then it would take for these basic turbo kits everyone compares with. And last but not least, IF and WHEN you do go that fast, to be safe and support that power you would really need to work on your chassis. Maybe a set of 300zx brakes would not be enough; A more expensive and less road worthy clutch would defintely be in order, coilovers-chassis bracing-roll cage.... you get the idea..hopefully

To keep the price down with less power that is more useable you also do not need to beef up your chassis as much, saving your even more money. Shit some people just like to spend moneny without a problem-if thats the case-go get a hot ass 18 year old blonde hair'd lil spinner trophy wife. Fuck cars lol

i think im more for the badass all around type of car modifiying.....

my ideal car really wouldn't be that much

Springs/Struts/Rollbars/Strut Bars/Custom Fab. Subframe Connectors

300zx brakes

Diff

Clutch

Flywheel

I/H/E cams springs retainers

whereas some people are more for all power and stock chassis, and even yet I see some with almost stock power and badass chassis.(more racers or weekend warriors--see PDM's black s13.....)

Sure it would be cool to have a 300-400whp 240sx, but lets get serious for a minute..... a stock 240sx is more then capable of landing you in jail. Also the money it takes to make that kind of power properly without blowing shit up all the time(and it still happens) is more then it would take for these basic turbo kits everyone compares with. And last but not least, IF and WHEN you do go that fast, to be safe and support that power you would really need to work on your chassis. Maybe a set of 300zx brakes would not be enough; A more expensive and less road worthy clutch would defintely be in order, coilovers-chassis bracing-roll cage.... you get the idea..hopefully

To keep the price down with less power that is more useable you also do not need to beef up your chassis as much, saving your even more money. Shit some people just like to spend moneny without a problem-if thats the case-go get a hot ass 18 year old blonde hair'd lil spinner trophy wife. Fuck cars lol


oh man im not not a newb to cars or 240sx's lol. and money is an issue with me lol. i just dump almost every penny i get into my car. i agree with you on most parts. all i want is maybe around the area of 250whp, which isnt THAT hard. im more into the handling of a car anyway. but i do want power. so i think im going to go the turbo route,(of course do it the right way) and work on my suspension big time. and probably pick up a nice 18 year old blonde on the way to the shop :naughty:

actually N/A is almost cheaper then turbo if you really think about it

whats a turbo setup consist of, stuff you'd buy for NA plus more.....

Things for N/A that would be used on a god setup Turbo car


When I say go turbo I refer to the factory turbo[which Americans seem to be deprived of]. With the stock turbo I CAN get the following:
- bleed valve/boost controller[set to 15psi I had for my 180sx]
- e/i/h
- Intercooler[optional]

^Those mods will see the factory turbo shit all over any n/a setup for around the same price range[if not cheaper]. Plus, I dont see why you think the "240's" are so fast in the first place! N/a I believe their shithouse, fuck I batted all over a ca18 n/a with my friend's 88 camry!...

If I had the money to go NA, I would rebuild my KA and get a T04E with a SAFC 550ccs and run about 16psi. Way faster than any NA. When it comes to small engines, its all about efficiency. And that is where forced induction comes into play.
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Do people even know what N/A means?????

Do people even know what N/A means?????

Not applicable. Like your brain.

Not applicable. Like your brain.


haha :biggrin:

yes people know what it means. everyone that has posted in this thread knows about cars and meanings. please dont come in my thread saying things like that if you dont have any knowledgeable input. thank you

The way I see it, a decent turbo setup is more than attainable. Ebay has made this better. T3 50trim at 5psi will spool up by 2k and produce about 215hp. That is enough to run with an SR, good driving may even prove very high 14s. If you road race, you will never have lag. As long as you have decent compression, above 155, you will be fine. Besides, if you blow the engine, there are plenty to go around. An engine is an air-pump, the more air you can get in and out, the more power you will make. The KA flows approximately 300cfm. Now how do you expect to flow more air through the engine without forced induction? Face it, turbo is more efficient, engine efficient that is, than a NA engine. Combine the head porting, valvetrain upgrades, and bottom end minus compression raising and the turbo upgrade and you will have one bad ass original engine.

The way I see it, a decent turbo setup is more than attainable. Ebay has made this better. T3 50trim at 5psi will spool up by 2k and produce about 215hp. That is enough to run with an SR, good driving may even prove very high 14s. If you road race, you will never have lag. As long as you have decent compression, above 155, you will be fine. Besides, if you blow the engine, there are plenty to go around. An engine is an air-pump, the more air you can get in and out, the more power you will make. The KA flows approximately 300cfm. Now how do you expect to flow more air through the engine without forced induction? Face it, turbo is more efficient, engine efficient that is, than a NA engine. Combine the head porting, valvetrain upgrades, and bottom end minus compression raising and the turbo upgrade and you will have one bad ass original engine.


i agree with you.

haha :biggrin:

yes people know what it means. everyone that has posted in this thread knows about cars and meanings. please dont come in my thread saying things like that if you dont have any knowledgeable input. thank you

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Do people even know what N/A means?????
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Not applicable. Like your brain.


Hey morons, I was talking about that guy who said he wanted to go N/A with a fucking T04 turbo! I'm not saying no one knows anything.

Edit: Oh and like your last post was knowledgeable input, all you said was that people know about cars.

Use the Quote function. It helps us decipher who you're talking about.

Hey morons, I was talking about that guy who said he wanted to go N/A with a fucking T04 turbo! I'm not saying no one knows anything.

Edit: Oh and like your last post was knowledgeable input, all you said was that people know about cars.

whoaaaaa chill out lil dude, i can say what i want, its my thread :thefinger . and moron, you said does ANYONE even know what NA means, you didnt ask if that ONE PERSON knew what it meant.

but anyways, im going to go ahead and talk to my shop in a couple days about going turbo. i appreciate almost everyones input, it was all helpful. if i do go NA, i know who to talk to.

turbos are so much more fun

turbos are so much more fun

And tuneable, and faster, and easier, and less expensive, and so on. NA is for V8s.

i really don't know why anyone would pick n/a over turbo, when they are just about the same costs.

turbo pushes you from behind............................. if you've never driven in one n/a people, please do so. it would change your whole mind about the n/a thing.

I haven't seen it mentioned here, but it'd be interesting to see a 240SX with an NA-tuned SR.

There are NA SRs that are making around 300hp in race trim. Some of those racing parts, or at least less extreme versions of them, are available. I know Toda Racing has some, and there are probably other tuners who have that kind of stuff. There are street guys making as much as 180whp in their fwd applications so far.

It would be expensive and pointless in the eyes of some, but definitely cool. It wouldn't have the torque of an NA-built KA either, but some might like the revvier character that the square SR offers, compared to the underquare KA.

It would be expensive and pointless in the eyes of some, but definitely cool.
i agree with you there. there are plenty of cars that people waste money on... and they could have had a much faster and better car spending their money elsewhere, but at the same time its cool because no one else has one.