Michael Moore???

Is Michael Moore a thorn in the Goverments???

June 20th, 2004
What Fahrenheit 9/11 Says About the Saudi Flights Out of the Country After September 11

WHAT THE FILM SAYS:


Sen. Byron Dorgan: We had some airplanes authorized at the highest levels of our government to fly to pick up Osama Bin Laden's family members and others from Saudi Arabia and transport them out of this country.

Narration: It turns out that the White House approved planes to pick up the bin Ladens and numerous other Saudis. At least six private jets and nearly two dozen commercial planes carried the Saudis and the Bin ladens out of the U.S. after September 13th. In all, 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country.



Additionally, in an interview with author Craig Unger, the film makes reference to the fact that these individuals were briefly interviewed before they were allowed to leave.



First, the US Customs and Border Protection document released by the Department of Homeland Security under the FOIA, Feb 24, 2004 lists 162 Saudi Nationals who flew out of the country between 9.11.2001 and 9.15.2001.

Second, even though Fahrenheit does not make the allegation, on June 9, 2004, news reports confirmed that, "Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with most of the nation's air traffic still grounded, a small jet landed at Tampa International Airport, picked up three young Saudi men and left. The men, one of them thought to be a member of the Saudi royal family, were accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa police officer on the flight to Lexington, Ky. The Saudis then took another flight out of the country."

Moreover, "For nearly three years, White House, aviation and law enforcement officials have insisted the flight never took place and have denied published reports and widespread Internet speculation about its purpose... The terrorism panel, better known as the 9/11 Commission, said in April that it knew of six chartered flights with 142 people aboard, mostly Saudis, that left the United States between Sept. 14 and 24, 2001. But it has said nothing about the Tampa flightɠThe 9/11 Commission, which has said the flights out of the United States were handled appropriately by the FBI, appears concerned with the handling of the Tampa flight.

"Most of the aircraft allowed to fly in U.S. airspace on Sept. 13 were empty airliners being ferried from the airports where they made quick landings on Sept. 11. The reopening of the airspace included paid charter flights, but not private, nonrevenue flights." Jean Heller, TIA now verifies flight of Saudis; The government has long denied that two days after the 9/11 attacks, the three were allowed to fly.
St. Petersburg Times, June 9, 2004


Just wondering what evryone's thoughts were??

He's an idiot and a douche bag. Now to see what Dave has to say about him............................................... .................................................. ..................................again:iceslolan.

Anyone who dIsagrees with Republicans is an idiot according to some in this forum.I'd rather trust a documentary maker than a politician.

Anyone who dIsagrees with Republicans is an idiot according to some in this forum.I'd rather trust a documentary maker than a politician.
I wouldn't be so quick as to call a Moore film a "documentary". His last film "bowling for columbine" was filled with misquotes, distortions, and flat-out lies. The guy is a socialist who hates America's wealthy and would have us all living in 10' x 10' shacks with a 40-watt light bulb if given the chance.

I wouldn't be so quick as to call a Moore film a "documentary".
Why not?His latest film won the top prize at the Cannes International Film Festival.I'd reccomend that you go and see it,if only to have some basis for your negative comments that isn't lifted from some ultra right wing hate site somewhere.His last film "bowling for columbine" was filled with misquotes, distortions, and flat-out lies. The guy is a socialist who hates America's wealthy and would have us all living in 10' x 10' shacks with a 40-watt light bulb if given the chance.


Strange,you must be referring to a different 'Bowling for Columbine' than the one that I have on video right this minute.Have you actually seen it,or are you just parrotting other peoples' ignorance?Moore comes across as credible,genuine,humanitarian and honest.Maybe Bush could hire him to improve his image. :cwm27:

actually, MM does take quite a few things out of context and mis represents alot in bowling, like many of hestons speeches (he's still a douche) and the whole opening scene.

still a good film, but its spin just like everything else

This would have been more interesting if we were talking about jets carrying the Saudis and Bin Ladens out of the country, instead of whether or not MM is a good documentary maker.

Just interesting related news is that ray rabury the author of Fahrenheit 457(or is it 451?) wants MM to change his title of his movie.

Why not?His latest film won the top prize at the Cannes International Film Festival.

Just wondering isnt that a French fling? I heard that somewhere.

This would have been more interesting if we were talking about jets carrying the Saudis and Bin Ladens out of the country, instead of whether or not MM is a good documentary maker.
He doesn't make documentaries, he makes propaganda. He is far from credible and even farther from honest :disappoin

Texas, what he has filmed is REAL. whether or not the opinion he tries to get across with what he has filmed is valid or not, is anyone's guess.
What he presents are actual events, not scripted propaganda - how he presents it - well that's something alltogether different now isn't it?
I'm not going to say his opinion is correct), but to suggest that it's not a documentary is somewhat rediculous, since the movies are made up of documentation of real events. Personally, I think he is somewhat of a jerk, but that has little to do with his movies - just how he makes them.

Texas, what he has filmed is REAL. whether or not the opinion he tries to get across with what he has filmed is valid or not, is anyone's guess.
What he presents are actual events, not scripted propaganda - how he presents it - well that's something alltogether different now isn't it?
I'm not going to say his opinion is correct), but to suggest that it's not a documentary is somewhat rediculous, since the movies are made up of documentation of real events. Personally, I think he is somewhat of a jerk, but that has little to do with his movies - just how he makes them.
I'm not disputing that at all. But the point he tries to get across I believe would be considered as propaganda. But then again, sometimes its hard to distinguish b/w what's a documentary and what's propaganda.

His documentary by some is called propaganda and others call it correct, just like this thread- http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=230631

thats the problem with these forums, if it does not agree with you its propaganda if it does, its not. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=propaganda after you read this you will figure out that it is propaganda.

I still don't see it as propaganda, I doubt he's going to "convert" anyone who doesn't already believe what he has to say. I see it more as an editorial piece, presented as a film.
He's trying to get his opinion across, but it doesn't seem like he asking people to take action and join him - but I haven't seen the movie yet so I can't be 100% sure, perhaps he's started a religion and is recruiting people with this movie! :)

He doesn't make documentaries, he makes propaganda. He is far from credible and even farther from honest :disappoin


it is only propaganda if it the popular idea. funny to see people who don't like his work though. we love the guy in canada.

here is something for you all to remember though it is his opinion. leave him to it like he leaves you to yours.

We love the guy in canada...
LOL, there was little dought in my mind!!

LOL, there was little dought in my mind!!

now why would you say that? we have thick people up here to who just take what their feed.

you must be open to all possibilities. that way you find the truth.

Anyone who dIsagrees with Republicans is an idiot according to some in this forum.I'd rather trust a documentary maker than a politician.

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Michael Moore is a scumbag idiot! His Oscar speech turned me off for good. He is so full of himself, it's a pity his parents didn't choose to wear a condom that day. Michael Moore hates the rich, he deplores them yet he hasn't taken a good look in the mirror because he is one of the rich guys now. Too worried about his new comedy film making money, complaining about sueing people he believes slandered him and his film, whining about not enought movie theaters showing his film.



http://www.moorewatch.com/

You're just jealous because he's better than you. :)

His documentary by some is called propaganda and others call it correct, just like this thread-

Interesting, because I never said I agreed with him. Personally, I think he is a Dick, but yet again, I prove another point of pychological thoughts...<Dont bother if you dont>

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Recycled joke,nicely crayoned.Here,have a gold star for effort...

...Sadly,you seem to have missed something.On one side of the debate,99% of the distaste of is directed at George Bush.On the other side about 50%is directed at John Kerry,the rest is directed either at liberals in general,or at individual forum members.
I can't recall the last time I directly named a Bush supporter when making negative comment,but I put up with it from certain knuckleheads on a regular basis.I'm glad that they do,however,because it shows that they don't like being told the truth.

Recycled joke,nicely crayoned.Here,have a gold star for effort...


Thank you........:wink:

Michael Moore is a scumbag idiot!
have you actually read anything he's written? or are you just going on what your told. the man is incredably intelligent, whether you agree with his views or not. and to call him a scumbag because of his views is just downright idiotic.

His Oscar speech turned me off for good.
guess you dont like it when people challenge the status quo. i would have totally written it off as ramblings too, if the rest of the nominess hadnt joined him. but then again, someone exercising their right to free speech appears to be appaling.

He is so full of himself, it's a pity his parents didn't choose to wear a condom that day.
are we a little sour that he's famous and your not?

Michael Moore hates the rich, he deplores them yet he hasn't taken a good look in the mirror because he is one of the rich guys now.
actually, he doesnt. he hates the poor distribution of wealth. he hates that crap tastic celebrities get millions just for being famous while others starve in the streets. there is a difference. and yes he's wealthy, that doesnt mean he's not allowed to question wealth.

Too worried about his new comedy film making money, complaining about sueing people he believes slandered him and his film, whining about not enought movie theaters showing his film.
i do believe this is a double standard. im sure you wouldnt make fun of a conservative filmaker for sueing people for getting slandered. in fact, im sure you'd be up in arms about those damn liberals trying to supress free speech.



http://www.moorewatch.com/

fun site, to bad all they do is bitch and dont actually provide any evidence that an intellegent person cant get just by paying attention.

actually, he doesnt. he hates the poor distribution of wealth. he hates that crap tastic celebrities get millions just for being famous while others starve in the streets. there is a difference. and yes he's wealthy, that doesnt mean he's not allowed to question wealth.

Yes it does. Why doesn't he take the contributions he gives to the DNC and give it to a worthy charity or college fund(which, by the way, he needed, seeing as this "immensely intelligent" lard-ass didn't even finish college.)

And some of his best friends and donors are people who are rich hollywood f***'s that couldn't give a crap about anybody on the street.

I am amused at how many Americans hate Michael Moore's message, so they try and assasinate the messenger.
It's a stretch to call Moore's films 'documentaries'. They are more social commentary than anything else.
However, the problems that Moore points out in American society are both real and substantial.
I mildly disliked Moore until I saw Bowling for Columbine. Jeez, an American per capita murder rate more than 10 times higher than any other Western industrialised G8 nation is a massive social problem. No matter how you feel about Moore personally, he makes a very valid point. American society has some severe and disturbing problems that results in the needless deaths of thousands of Americans annually.
So how about it, for our American friends. Less psuedo patriotic character assasination and more crime prevention for the benefit of all Americans.

Micheal Moore should be just another statistic in those yearly deaths.......:disappoin

I am amused at how many Americans hate Michael Moore's message, so they try and assasinate the messenger.
It's a stretch to call Moore's films 'documentaries'. They are more social commentary than anything else.
However, the problems that Moore points out in American society are both real and substantial.
I mildly disliked Moore until I saw Bowling for Columbine. Jeez, an American per capita murder rate more than 10 times higher than any other Western industrialised G8 nation is a massive social problem. No matter how you feel about Moore personally, he makes a very valid point. American society has some severe and disturbing problems that results in the needless deaths of thousands of Americans annually.
So how about it, for our American friends. Less psuedo patriotic character assasination and more crime prevention for the benefit of all Americans.


Micheal Moore should be just another statistic in those yearly deaths.......


Once more, Pick unwittingly proves someone's point. :lol:

Yes it does. Why doesn't he take the contributions he gives to the DNC and give it to a worthy charity or college fund(which, by the way, he needed, seeing as this "immensely intelligent" lard-ass didn't even finish college.)

he can do with his money whatever he pleases...certainly a republican like yourself can appreciate that. and not finishing college is no sign of intelligence. i know some very stupid people who get degrees, and some very smart people who do not.

And some of his best friends and donors are people who are rich hollywood f***'s that couldn't give a crap about anybody on the street.

replace hollywood with oil company and you have who? oh wait, george W bush

Micheal Moore should be just another statistic in those yearly deaths.......:disappoin


And why is that Pick?What has Mr Moore done to deserve it? :screwy:

he can do with his money whatever he pleases...certainly a republican like yourself can appreciate that. and not finishing college is no sign of intelligence. i know some very stupid people who get degrees, and some very smart people who do not.


But for Moore and hte like to call Pres. Bush stupid is completely inappropriate cinsidering their background....agree?

I agree he can do whatever he wants with his money. But he would be more likely to help our country by giving money to charity than using it to create a propagate film that, as even you and Taranaki have mentioned, is supposedly not going to pursuade anybody's thinking.

Here is an opinion column from WSJ. Keep in mind it's just an opinion column. I liked it never the less.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110003233/



I also found this on a site. It's amusing. Using Moores tactics to look into what Moore is about.


"In Dude, Where's My Country, Michael Moore's conspiracy theory consists of tying the Bush family together with the bin Ladens and the Saudis (whom he regards as little better, in fact arguing that they and not Osama bin Laden -- "how could a guy, sitting in a cave in Afghanistan hooked up to dialysis, have directed and overseen the actions of nineteen terrorists for two years...." (p. 16).). The ties to the bin Ladens, Moore maintains, run through the Carlyle Group, to which both Bush Sr. and Jr. have ties, and in which the bin Ladens had an investment.
Let's use Moore's own approach . . . . . . . .
And probe the shadowy connections between Moore and the bin Ladens.
Moore's next film, Farenheit 911, is being underwritten by Miramax, to the tune of several million dollars. Miramax is a subsidiary of the Disney empire.
While Disney derives a lot of its income from Disney sweatshops (http://www.cleanclothes.org/companies/disney.htm) in third world countries, that's not its only source of financing. It needed serious capital -- billions -- for its expansion into Euro Disney, and to bail out that project when it started to tank. And guess with whom Disney hopped into bed at that point?
To start with . . . the Carlyle Group with (Moore tells us) its bin Laden monies.
With the help of its 'access capitalists' such as Baker and Saudi Prince al-Waleed bin Talal (whom the firm helped add to his fortune in a 1991 Citicorp stock transaction), [my note: remember the Prince's name; you'll see it again in this shadowy trail] Carlyle made deals in the Middle East and Western Europe (including a bailout of Euro Disney) in the mid-1990s. Source (http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Carlyle_Group)
Carlyle numbers "Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Alsaud of Saudi Arabia, and Osama bin Laden's estranged family among its high-profile clientele." Source (http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?f=Articles/Archive/vc/2002/0111/947.xml&hed=Carlyle's%20way).
Ah yes, the Prince....
[b]About HRH Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin AbdulAziz Alsaud
HRH Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal and trusts for his benefit hold major business investments in Citigroup, Apple Computer Inc., Motorola, AOL Time Warner, Saks Inc., EuroDisney and Walt Disney Company, the Teledesic satellite venture.... Source (http://www.cadizinc.com/a/articles/Jan16-02.html)
Saudi Arabia's billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal announced on Tuesday new investments .... A statement from the prince`s office in Riyadh sent to Reuters said the new investments included stakes in Coca-Cola, Pepsi Co Inc, McDonald`s Corp, Walt Disney Co, . . .. His stakes in each of the above firms stood at $50 million, the statement said. Source (http://www.arabia.com/business/article/english/0%2C11827%2C20478%2C00.html)
Back to Euro Disney. A major loss for the Disney Company, foundering until rescuers appeared. The Carlyle Group, and guess who?
A Saudi Arabian prince, Al-Waleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, swooped in to help rescue the struggling Euro Disney theme park, pledging to invest up to $500 million in Mickey Mouse's European home near Paris.
New Orleans Times-Picayune, Thursday, June 2, 1994, p. C-1. The Prince wound up a virtual Disney partner (Disney owns 39%, he 24%). And Disney is now turning to him for a second bailout. (http://www.worldleisurejobs.com/newsdetail.cfm?codeID=5988)
So along comes a filmmaker who:
Has produced works which are the standard primers for anti-Americanism today;
Has put out movies and books provide the emotional underpinning for terrorism (If the US is, as he argues, a violent bully which kills thousands of third-world innocents, overthrows democracies, and supports dictatorships, it's hard to see anti-American terrorism as evil; in fact, it would seem more like a struggle of heroic underdogs);
Has plans for a new film which will hopefully un-elect a president who defeated and ejected the Taliban; and
Which (if it tracks his book Dude, Where's My Country) will suggest Osama bin Laden may not have done it, and in any event point the finger at everyone but him ....
And suddenly a company backed by an awful lot of bin Laden connected money (by his own definition) wants to pump millions into his film.
In short, I can (in about eight hours of research) produce a sample of paranoid ideation which is quite as plausible as Moore's Farenheit 911."


One last quote from a non pro Moore site.


"Should a 320 lb. man advise us on the evils of overconsumption?
Should the resident of a million-dollar apartment claim to be the poster boy of the working class?
Should a person who thought Enron was a great investment, Nader would win, and North Korea's Kim Jong was changing for the better, advise us on anything?"

Ahhh...some of these guys just crack me up. What a great world we live in when people can be duped so easily and then believe so adamantly the crap we are fed by someone trying to make a buck.



Life is good :)

:thumbsup: i like

Unfortunately, Disney didn't want miramax to pump money into the film, let alone distribute it. Mr. Moore threw a trantrum over that, so we know that Disney and Moore are probably not friends. :)

I'm also sure you should see the irony in your own statement about being duped into believing BS.
I also find it funny that in their attempt to make Moore look bad, all they end up doing is making Disney look bad.

Unfortunately, Disney didn't want miramax to pump money into the film, let alone distribute it. Mr. Moore threw a trantrum over that, so we know that Disney and Moore are probably not friends. :) That wasn't really the point. The point was that they are using the same tactics as Moore. I found that amusing.

I'm also sure you should see the irony in your own statement about being duped into believing BS.

Irony? Me duped?


I also find it funny that in their attempt to make Moore look bad, all they end up doing is making Disney look bad.

I don't think they were trying to make Moore look bad because he had ties to a terrorist. I think they were trying to make Moore look bad by showing how easy it was to link anyone to anything the way he does it. All you have to do is follow enough branches up the tree and eventually there will be a bad apple. Moore takes that bad apple and shakes it in your face and yells at the top of his lungs "LOOK WHAT HE DID!!!!" People believe him.

And why is that Pick?What has Mr Moore done to deserve it? :screwy:
He is a complete waste of oxygen.....get my drift? :screwy:

People believe him.
Only stupid people believe him 100% Just as only stupid people think he is 100% full of BS.
If you're dumb enough to accept what he spews as the truth, and too blind to ever do your own research on those subjects, then you very well might believe all of it (hopefully not though). However, it's equally as ignorant to say that there's nothing worth seeing here, if you haven't actually seen it.
But that holds true for anybody not just Mr. Moore. :)

As for Pick, he's still angry that people hold opinions other than his own.

Only stupid people believe him 100% Just as only stupid people think he is 100% full of BS.
If you're dumb enough to accept what he spews as the truth, and too blind to ever do your own research on those subjects, then you very well might believe all of it (hopefully not though). However, it's equally as ignorant to say that there's nothing worth seeing here, if you haven't actually seen it.
But that holds true for anybody not just Mr. Moore. :)

True enough. He mixes his truth with his lies to make it all seem so believable.

Moore is truely living the American dream. He started from nothing and now he is a multi-millionair. He found his gimmick. What's kind of funny is how much of his American dream is paid for by the foreigners who buy into his gimmick. I have to take my hat off to him.

whether or not you believe/agree with him MM odes two things.

one: he makes people think. he makes people research. even if its to prove him wrong...finally, someone is making america think about their government on a large enough scale to maybe make a difference.

two: he is a fantastic film maker. utterly genious. i know every little thing he twisted, misrepresented, and otherwise underhanded his credability with in Bowling for columbine, but i still watch it and say to myself, "wow, thats a damn good movie"

so much for freedom of speech and the right to your own opinion.

I don't think he lies. The truth is he uses real facts - but IMHO leaves out facts that don't get along well with his opinion. So what he's presenting is basically an argument for his opinion, backed up with facts. While it's true, it's also an opinion and I think that it's important for people to realize this. That's why it's not true to say that his movies aren't documentaries, because they are made up of documentation of actual happenings, even if the way he presents them is to get his opinion across rather than simply presenting the material and saying "make of it what you want". Of course you'll find that to some extent in any documentary. Well, except for UFO documentaries... :)

What does the bowling stand for in bowling for columbine?

I don't think he lies. The truth is he uses real facts :)

Twisted facts is more like it. Anyone can take facts and twist them to support what you want them to.

Originally Posted by lazysmurff (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=133233)
have you actually read anything he's written? or are you just going on what your told. the man is incredably intelligent, whether you agree with his views or not. and to call him a scumbag because of his views is just downright idiotic.


I'm sorry I don't see it. I watch an interview of Michael Moore and I have to say he is full of himself I bet he thinks he is god-like. www.michaelmoore.com (http://www.michaelmoore.com) is his web site I have been there so yes I read his twisted opnions.

Originally Posted by lazysmurff (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=133233)
guess you dont like it when people challenge the status quo. i would have totally written it off as ramblings too, if the rest of the nominess hadnt joined him. but then again, someone exercising their right to free speech appears to be appaling.

I am all for free speech coming from a country that didn't allow it. There is a time and place for this type of talk, only reason he chose to say it because he was on TV and millions were watching. All it managed to do is turn off people but I guess you didn't see the show or you would know about the people that booed him off the stage.

Originally Posted by lazysmurff (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=133233)
are we a little sour that he's famous and your not?

Are you fucking nuts? Are you jealous because people actually listen to him and not you?

Originally Posted by lazysmurff (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=133233)
actually, he doesnt. he hates the poor distribution of wealth. he hates that crap tastic celebrities get millions just for being famous while others starve in the streets. there is a difference. and yes he's wealthy, that doesnt mean he's not allowed to question wealth.

What is he doing with his millions? Is that why he hired lawyers to file slander suits before his movie even opened? Is that why he will sue someone because they wrote about his movie and he didn't like what was said?

Originally Posted by lazysmurff (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=133233)
i do believe this is a double standard. im sure you wouldnt make fun of a conservative filmaker for sueing people for getting slandered. in fact, im sure you'd be up in arms about those damn liberals trying to supress free speech.

I guess you don't know me at all! I would be critical of anyone who makes a movie, write a book or anything and they can't handle bad press. It's called free speech to state your opinion and if you can't handle it you would sue. Isn't that trying to supress free speech? What if a critic panned the new Shrek 2 movie should the movie company sue them for slander? Why shouldn't George Bush sue you for your comments about him?

Originally Posted by lazysmurff (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=133233)
fun site, to bad all they do is bitch and dont actually provide any evidence that an intellegent person cant get just by paying attention.

That's yuor opinion isn't it?

i do believe this is a double standard. im sure you wouldnt make fun of a conservative filmaker for sueing people for getting slandered. in fact, im sure you'd be up in arms about those damn liberals trying to supress free speech.


There's a difference. Conservatives tell the truth and don't need to spin the facts.

Conservatives tell the truth and don't need to spin the facts.

I know that to be a lie, because GWB is a "conservative" :)

I know that to be a lie, because GWB is a "conservative" :)
Many believe what GWB says is truth. You may not, but this coming election is a very good gauge of whether people believe Bush is an honest man.

What people believe, and what is, are sometimes two different things. :)

I'm sorry I don't see it. I watch an interview of Michael Moore and I have to say he is full of himself I bet he thinks he is god-like. www.michaelmoore.com (http://www.michaelmoore.com) is his web site I have been there so yes I read his twisted opnions.

ego and opinion have little to do with intellegence, im sorry you cant see that.

I am all for free speech coming from a country that didn't allow it. There is a time and place for this type of talk, only reason he chose to say it because he was on TV and millions were watching. All it managed to do is turn off people but I guess you didn't see the show or you would know about the people that booed him off the stage.

no, i watched it, and was incredably surprised that he won. guess he must actually have some talent making films...and i heard people boo him, i also heard people cheer him on. or did you miss that part?

Are you fucking nuts? Are you jealous because people actually listen to him and not you?
people listen to me, and argue with me, and agree with me. just as much as they do for you or anyone else on the forum.

What is he doing with his millions? Is that why he hired lawyers to file slander suits before his movie even opened? Is that why he will sue someone because they wrote about his movie and he didn't like what was said?

what does suing someone for slander have to do with wealth? i think you missed the point. and like i said before, he is free to do what he pleases with his wealth. if it was actual slander, he has a case, if it was just a bad review, the case will get thrown out. lets let the courts decide on that.

I guess you don't know me at all! I would be critical of anyone who makes a movie, write a book or anything and they can't handle bad press. It's called free speech to state your opinion and if you can't handle it you would sue. Isn't that trying to supress free speech? What if a critic panned the new Shrek 2 movie should the movie company sue them for slander? Why shouldn't George Bush sue you for your comments about him?
as noted above, slander and bad press are two different things. and im not aware of slandering president bush. im free to hold an opinion of his acts in office. hardly something to sue over.



That's yuor opinion isn't it?
have you read the site? did you watch the movie? i didnt read anything i hadnt figured out for myself watching it. seems like the person that made that site is really just mad that a liberal is making waves and is seeking to discredit him as much as possible.

There's a difference. Conservatives tell the truth and don't need to spin the facts.
that is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing i have ever read

Many believe what GWB says is truth. You may not, but this coming election is a very good gauge of whether people believe Bush is an honest man.

How about this as a guage->http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=246269

There's a difference. Conservatives tell the truth and don't need to spin the facts.


You've been watching far too much fox news.

What people believe, and what is, are sometimes two different things. :)

Exactly. Just look how many Moore fans there are.

How about this as a guage->http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=246269


thats more a gauge of how many people are party loyalistsand how many people actually think about the canidates that are running and arent afraid to vote the way they feel, rather than the way they feel they ought to.

You've been watching far too much fox news.
Fox News is only seen as conservative because it tells the truth, and doesn't spew the damn liberal mantra of Ted Turner TV like CNN, ABC, and NBC. Fox News is as close to centrist as you can get. Its not conservative, it tells the truth.

I am amused at how many Americans hate Michael Moore's message, so they try and assasinate the messenger.
It's a stretch to call Moore's films 'documentaries'. They are more social commentary than anything else.
However, the problems that Moore points out in American society are both real and substantial.
I mildly disliked Moore until I saw Bowling for Columbine. Jeez, an American per capita murder rate more than 10 times higher than any other Western industrialised G8 nation is a massive social problem. No matter how you feel about Moore personally, he makes a very valid point. American society has some severe and disturbing problems that results in the needless deaths of thousands of Americans annually.
So how about it, for our American friends. Less psuedo patriotic character assasination and more crime prevention for the benefit of all Americans.
Very well put.


However, when someones going to try to get a point across, they'll use propoganda, it's unavoidable. A republican film maker would do the same things if he made a doco about Iraq.

You've been watching far too much fox news.

Hee heee :lol2:

I think Mike Moore is just a person w/ an opinion and makes $ on all the controversy.

I cannot say much cuz I have only seen one interview w/ him and his speech at some movie awards.

In his movie 'Bowling for Columbine' sorry for the misspell.

He claims a bunch of stats about murders w/ guns in various countries and of course the U.S. leads w/ 11,000 + murders per year while many other first world countries had under 200 and even 100.

but what he forgot to do was run the darn percentages based on the population size....duh

Think about it, I think GB had like 65 shooting deaths well gee, I think U.S. has a much larger population than GB. Distorted facts??? :iceslolan

Just my view

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The US ranks 6th per capita in murders and 4th per capita in murders with firearms. That's nothing to brag about but it's not first. (yet) I guess we aren't trying hard enough.

I mildly disliked Moore until I saw Bowling for Columbine. Jeez, an American per capita murder rate more than 10 times higher than any other Western industrialised G8 nation is a massive social problem.
American society has some severe and disturbing problems that results in the needless deaths of thousands of Americans annually.
So how about it, for our American friends. Less psuedo patriotic character assasination and more crime prevention for the benefit of all Americans.
If we Americans would just legalize all drugs, the crime rate would drop dramatically. And yes I do mean ALL drugs, with one caveat - No social-safety-net! If you play, YOU pay, not the taxpayers. Put the choice in the hands of adults, and the consequences...
That ought to dispell the "conservative redneck" label I have been given here.
Oh, wait, maybe not - Let's test the knee-jerk-racist button...
If black-on-black murders are taken out of the statistics, the US has one of the LOWEST crime rates!!
Let the accusations fly!!!

No way Murco.

This thread has gone far enough off topic without pulling the race card.