high HP B16

What kind of HP could i get out of a fully built b16 in

NA spec?
Nitrous?
Turbocharger?
Supercharger?


and whichever b16 would be best for each one and why.

I would be trying to put it into an insight. Any other recommended engines please put in your :2cents: and tell why.

I understand that turbo is the way to go with honda engines. If i go turbo i want to be able to turn up the boost at the track and turn it back down for daily driving on the street. I want it to run perfect both on and off the track. I don't want to run rich when boost is turned down and as far as i know this would take 2 different fuel maps. If this is or isn't possible please let me know.

$$ doesn't matter on the build or swap of the b16 into an insight. I just want a light car with a lot of power. I would not be using it for just drag racing but as a daily driver and a weekend drag strip car. I want to keep handling as good as possible. Any other upgrades that i should also do please add them.


Thanks
Rob

Swap in a B16, toss in a blockguard, pistons, and rods and you're fine for as much power as a FWD honda chassis can handle on the street. If you ran something like an AEM and went to the track and pumped up on race gas you would just go into the AEM, take 25 seconds to load another basemap into your EMS, and you'd be good to go. The race gas map would have more boost, more timing, and more fuel setup for the track on race gas, then just load your pump gas setting to drive home.

i was told that to run a lot of boost that i should sleeve the block. Would this be necessary? Also which b16a would be best to boost? With the AEM that is stand alone right? So i would need a laptop computer or sumthing to change the fuel maps.

it would be better to get a obd1 b16.

and i think the internals themselves would go before the sleeves would go, assuming all stock

it's going to be a fully built b16a. Right now i'm leaning towards building for boost. Rebuilt bottom end to start with. Then some headwork later on.

i was told that to run a lot of boost that i should sleeve the block. Would this be necessary? Also which b16a would be best to boost? With the AEM that is stand alone right? So i would need a laptop computer or sumthing to change the fuel maps.

If you gave us a horsepower goal, we could tell you if you need to sleeve it or not.

For me, I would feel perfectly safe daily driving a honda making 400-450 WHP on pump gas. 400-450 to the tires in a typical weight EG hatch is enough to take you to 130-140 MPH in the quarter mile. To give you an idea of how fast that is, sport rider did some tests

CBR1000RR: 10.16 @ 142
ZX-10R: 9.92 @ 147
GSXR-1000: 9.96 @ 145
YZF-R1: 9.93 @ 147

All liter bikes. All trapping low to mid 140's. A car trapping 140 will reel in a bike trapping 142 on the highway, and it would be an interesting race vs. the quicker 3.

CBR600RR: 10.68 @ 129
ZX-6R: 10.78 @ 127
ZX-6RR: 10.50 @ 131
GSXR-600: 10.65 @ 129
YZF R6: 10.68 @ 129

All 600 CC bikes, all trapping high 120's, low 130's. A car trapping 130 will pull on all of these bikes on the highway. A car trapping 135 or 140 will do them ugly.

Keep in mind a typical street rider won't even come close to these times riding their bike, and most will trap less MPH given that most people don't really know how to get down and tuck properly. Here's what I'd do.

Buy a B18C1. Slap in a blockguard, some 9:1 pistons of your choice, and some eagle rods. Do headwork if you want and toss in some good springs/retainers, slap on a victorX intake. Put together your turbo kit with a good equal length manifold (full-race, lovefab, or onefab are good), a PTE SC61 a big cooler, fab up some charge piping, full 3" downpipe to a 3" exhaust. Toss in your AEM EMS, a walbro 255 LPH intank pump, some bigger injectors, a good clutch, and have fun with your pump gas sucking sport bike crusher.

HP goal would be as much as HP as i could get with 10k into the engine. Possibly more money into the engine depending the HP i could get with that amount of money. If it's not enough HP to me then i'd put more into the engine.

boost the b16 . . . power depends on you you and how much $$ you want to poor into the motor. You should be able to squeeze about 300hp out of a b16 all stock after that I would consider upgrading rods and pistons. Give us more of an idea on your power goals and we can help you better that way because it's endless . . . you can spend $500 on internals or you can spend $5,000+ on a built block and head etc . . . . so it just depends on how far you want to take it.

Heck if you want some nice power then boost it and spray it.

As far as i can go with 8k into the engine. That's internals turbo kit and nitrous and anything else performance that makes HP. Whatever combination that makes me the most power. I was told that an h22 is best to make the most power but only when it's fully built, is this true?

Thanks
Rob

i think i have the best answer for you on this one...Import Racer! magazine did an article on a built up B16...end result 522hp at the crank. They estimated the price at about 8k which isnt too bad, they built the engine to 204hp NA then turbo to 522. if your interested in learning more ill find out which issue it was and u can order a back copy

Yes, I am very interested. If you could please get me the issue # I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks
Rob

ight all who are interested including Ptuning. its in the february 2004 issue on page 40 if ur too cheap to buy it ill answer all questiosn about it just IM me on AIM

yeah i have that issue, i dont like how they have it on flywheel hp and not whp. i think that they should have used a stage 2 cam instead of the stage 1 for the exhaust, i also think they were running too rich which costed them a few hp's

i agree with u on the cams but i assume they got it all free so they really cant complain. But as for us complaining idc how they got it 522hp is incredible much more then i would ever need

More than you would need yes, more than you'd want, I don't think so. There's no such thing as too much HP. Now too much torque in a honda is a whole other story. Too much torque in a honda is very bad.

yup no such thing as too much power.

i think that if they had put it to whp which would of been around 450whp whihc wouldnt have been so impressive.

All liter bikes. All trapping low to mid 140's. A car trapping 140 will reel in a bike trapping 142 on the highway, and it would be an interesting race vs. the quicker 3.

I dont get it. The quicker 3 are all capable of high 9s. A 450hp Civic might be able to squeek in high 10s. Those are all at least 180mph bikes also. A Civic would run out of gear by then.

I agree with civickiller that a 522bhp engine wouldnt sound quite so impressive if it was dynoed in the car.

HP is a calculation of torque and RPM... so if you have high HP and arent revving it to the moon(how high did they spin it?), then you're gonna have high torque as well. You will experience some mean torque steer with a 522hp motor in a FWD, especially when the turbo hits...

I dont get it. The quicker 3 are all capable of high 9s. A 450hp Civic might be able to squeek in high 10s. Those are all at least 180mph bikes also. A Civic would run out of gear by then.

I agree with civickiller that a 522bhp engine wouldnt sound quite so impressive if it was dynoed in the car.

The only reason a 450 WHP civic isn't running into the 9's is because of traction. That variable is (for the most part) taken out of the equation if you're doing a highway roll on with some drag radials.

Yeah, you're right that the litre bikes will do 180 MPH, but if you kick it from 60 and you're 8 car lengths ahead by 140, do you really think you're both going to keep going to 180 MPH? Nobody races that fast on the freeway. If you really wanted to, a car with a B16 trans, 24" tall tires and a 9500 rev limit could theoretically hit 180 at the very end of fourth gear, but I don't know how trusting I would be in 1992 honda aerodynamics at those speeds.

Christ, 120mph is stupid, 140 is just plain insane. I can't even fathom someone stupid enough to do 180mph in a civic, most likely because they'd be dead long before they hit 180. On a stock bodied civic, I'd give you until maybe 150mph before you take flight. And that is highly unlikely. I'd never race above 100mph on the streets. Save it for the track...