wtf did I buy?

lol um interesting story, went to a dealer, bought a 99 integra strange thing is it has a Kseries engine in it. Now thats not the strange part, the strange part is it was turned the same way a B series would. NOw idk how the hell they did this or if its possible but Its really freakin fast. Faster then a GSR and redlines at 7500rpm. Could someone tell me how a transmission could bolt on this way? All the gauges worked/eletrics to. even the ac. and it was a k series cause well it was right on the block and I know what they look like and the dealer verified. Also they put in a brand new transmission. I mean its not flipped over like it is on a Rsx. Yah know exhaust up top intake on bottom. Sooooo does somoene have an idea how this thing works? or how the tranny bolted up?

...a dealership sold you this?

man thats tight though...how much did you pay

yes a dealer sold me this I financed it for 8 grand with no interest. 2 grand down.

I dont think it was a very bad deal consider it had all black leather a brand new transmission(still confused) and 70k miles on the engine. in either way how da fuck did they fit the transmission in it when it was facing the same way a regular b series would? Oh yeah this place used to be a performance shop but changed to selling cars. Now there doing both lol. You can get a turbo put on and they can refinance you and factor it into your monthly payments. Also they do Honda motorswaps of all kinds. Its pretty bitchin

lol but can someone pleeeeeeease tell me how in the freakin hell did the transmission fit with the way they have it turned around? I mean could they have mated a b series tranny to the engine ooooooorr what?

could they have changed the bell housing?

post pics or else get your lieing ass out of here

If it's true that has the potential to be one seriously badass sleeper...

post pics or else get your lieing ass out of here

I agree...I think you have a 99teg and you want to find out how to fit a k series engine and tranny in your car if thats the case you really chose a bad way to do it because unless you post pics people will put up the BS flag...

uh no not bs, you can call the dealer and ask its Sport car and Public Auto Auction in Manasses Virginia. Off of Prince william/va 3000. I am in no way shape or form lieing. and it wont really be a "bad ass" sleeper, because its a K20 not the 20A2. So its out of the Civic Si. And no, I am not trying to figure out how the hell to put a K series engine in an integra its already in the thing. If any of you have some ideas as to how they got this tranmission in there I would appreciate it. I go back Tuesday to pick it up after they do an inspection and detail it. Also notice how it does not say "newbie" next to my name. I wouldnt post lies.

and to those who think Im lieing, look at my past posts. Ive been bitching/looking for another car for a loooooooooooong time. I was driving a Mitsubishi 2000 Eclipse Rs 5 speed for awhile. Which was my mothers car. And also why the fuck would I wanna put a k series engine into an Ls integra that I jsut put 2 grand down on and am financing. I dont have money out the ass and why would I go through the trouble of putting in a K20 from the civic Si? Im trying to find out all I can about this thing cause I will be financing it for 2 years and its in my name. If something busts or goes wrong I need to know how the hell to fix it on my own. This place is over two hours from my house I cant drive there when ever a Mount Busts. Or suddenly the clutch goes out on the transmission(which Im really confused about can someone please answer my damn question). So can you guys please tell me how they fit this transmission in this thing with it turned the way it is. thanks.

the #'s 1-888-267-2486 call, ask about the red integra and what engine is in there. Enjoy the answer. And tell me how the hell they did it.

we want pics :)

- Nathan

aight well I got a camera phone but I got the internet/pics turned off so I guess in about a week Ill just buy one of those cheap $20 digital cams from best buy. So when I put the pics up yall will answer my question right lol?

blah blah blah BULLSHIT




page 2 pwned!!!!1one

Why don't you just ask the dealer? No body will be able to tell you exactly how it was done except the people who did it................................fISH.

yep. And we can spot a photoshop....but this will deffinately be interesting if it holds true :P

- Nathan

well I feel liek an idiot, and heres why I went back to the dealer took a much closer look at the engine and intake manifold. Turns out its the B20 engine from the Honda Crv. Shitty thing is once your approved for credit you cant get your deposit back. So Im either stuck with a B20 equirpped integra Ls or I get a 1996 prelude. God I apologize for any misleading I guess I shouldnt have taken the dealers word for it and had a closer look. I feel like an idiot. The thing is powerfull in low revs I got it out on the road past 2nd gear wouldnt rev past 6700 revs. So think imma say screw it and get a prelude.

the 96 prelude is ok, but has 110k miles on it and is only 1 grand cheaper. Fuck alive I feel dumb and its real dissapointing =\.

is it at least a crvtec?

well I feel liek an idiot, and heres why I went back to the dealer took a much closer look at the engine and intake manifold. Turns out its the B20 engine from the Honda Crv. Shitty thing is once your approved for credit you cant get your deposit back. So Im either stuck with a B20 equirpped integra Ls or I get a 1996 prelude. God I apologize for any misleading I guess I shouldnt have taken the dealers word for it and had a closer look. I feel like an idiot. The thing is powerfull in low revs I got it out on the road past 2nd gear wouldnt rev past 6700 revs. So think imma say screw it and get a prelude.
and yet you would have argued with me for weeks. :rolleyes:


What the dealer did is technically fraud, mislabeling something and selling it to you, you can legally get your money back if it's not exactly what they said they were selling you.

how did u mix up a k20 motor for a b20??? they look so different. that sucks that u thought u had a K series motor and got a B series. ur hopes were sooooooo high then u got shut down really quick. sucks to be u. lol j/k man. sorry to hear that.
u could make a frankenstein outta that motor though. put a VTEC head on it, but then again it wont be too reliable unless u build up the internals to handle the high revs.

yeah =\ well I havent seen to many K20's with out all that plastic crap on it and the dealer said it was. But naw I havent bought it officially yet I just put 1 grand down on it. I have yet to sign any papers. Its just I cant get my down payment back. they have a 1999 Civic hatch there in sorta crappy condition and a totally stock 1996 Prelude with 110k miles. I love the way integras look but yeah I need something reliable and B20's arent the strongest engines. =\ God damn it Im so pissed. So Im stuck with either getting this integra or the prelude. =\

but preludes are so freakin ugly =\ lol. I like the interior and everything but the outside =\.

Boost the B20..

i would stick it out with the integra if i were u. u can build on the b20 motor

If you really don't want it, demand your money back...what they did to you is illegal, it is false advertising anf fraud, and you can sue them for it if you deisre. I would demand my downpayment back, since it was made under fraudulent circumstances and false advertising, both of which are illegal..if they refuse...get an attorney to talk to them, they'll listen then...If that's too much, take them to small claims court for the money. What they did is wrong, illegal and now will cost you money for what you don't really want. You are legally entitled to your money back, so go fight for it, don't let them make a quick buck off of false advertising and fraud.

well told the person I wasnt gonna get the integra and he then told me the engine was a B18. lol now Im not an idiot but I sware the B20 came out of the 2001 Crv. I asked him what did it come out of he said the 2001 Honda crv. I go "then its a B20 not a B18". By the way these people dont speak good english =\. I honestly couldnt tell when i drove the car I just know it was insanely fast off the line. And it only has an intake and exhaust on it. I doubt an B18B engine can feel faster then a 2000 Eclipse Rs 5 speed with just those two bolt ons. so it must be a B20. yeah and im sure I can get my money back but Im in a bind I need a car to start school in and I start school on monday. It takes two weeks for them to get the money back because they send it through mail. So Im royally fucked cause my mom works. And this is the only place thats approved me with in a 300 mile radious for a car =\. But thanks for the advice man I already looked into that. Damn this sucks I was looking forward to that damn car. Its been over a year sinc ei Had my own car since my wreck =\. Ive already done a search on the B20 and no ones really looked into just turboing it, and some have said it has weak internals and you cant boost that much. The cars 8 grand so Ide be paying it off for two years =\. Ive been wanting to work on cars for awhile and learn so I figured with a K series thered be a wealth of new knowledge. But with this B20 doesnt seem like theres much. So Im stuck with the prelude.

the 96 prelude has the h22 motor in it right or is it the h23? if its the h22 then go for it. u can modify that engine alot. but u said u dont like how it looks =/

I wouldn't get a 4th gen Lude, or as I call them, the Honda Femilude. Only girls seem to drive 4th gen Ludes...

Just keep the Integ...looks better, and when a car dealership is run by those middle easterners/non-english speakers, you should walk all over them, they bend on prices like twigs.

wellthe cars already a farely good price I mean 70k miles, new 5 speed transmission and its a 99 body. For only 7500. I just wasnt to keen on the B20 engine. I was really hoping to get a vtec. I cant afford any kinda engine swap and boosting the B20 I heard you need to do some internal work. I mean I honestly know facts about cars and etc. I just havnet worked on them much. Didnt wanna deal wtih the hastle of doing a frankestien or adding a turbo. Thats why I was planning on it being a vtec. I mean hell itleast with a prelude a h22 swap is real cheap. Its just an Integra is so god damn pretty lol.Besides I already told the dealer I didnt want the integra and just to do financing on the prelude since Ive already test driven it. I just neeed something that will last me a good 3 years wtih out much maintence but I wanted around 230-250hp. If it was a K20 I was just gonna say screw it and pop on a Supercharger since it already had vtec. Since this is a B20 I cant really boost it with out putting money into internals, plus the turbo, plus what ever the hell else I gotta do, on top of the cost for the car.not to mention the freakin dealer is selling the car with Ls wheels up front and one Gsr wheel and an Rs wheel in teh back =\. So I gotta buy a set of wheels for it to. Prelude is completely stock and clean and H22s are cheap and easy to put on(Sounds like iM convincing myself). =\ ah well. After two years of the prelude Ill buy a Type R or Gsr when My credit is good.

cause I just love the fucking way a Jdm INtegra looks with a Cwest Front bumper =\. Ah damn my dreams were shot to hell.

I mean are there any upsides to having a B20 engine in the car besides a Normal B18B, besides the torque output?

Honestly man you should make them give you your $ back (call the better business bureau if they refise) and take your $ else where. I'd never buy a car from someone who flat out lied to you, twice non the less. I did it before when I bought my POS oldsmobile. They told showed me a newer red one and when i went to pick it up they told me that they couldn't sell it because the auto tranny was messed up (was fine when i test drove it) and showed me an older less miles white one that they claimed it was in far better working order. I was in such a rush to get my first car that I just bought it, which was a big mistake because the car ended up having major brake, fuel, and electrical problems. Now I've got a big paper weight sitting in my front yard that I can't even start. Once a dealership lies, they will lie to you again and again. Just my opinion...

is it at least a crvtec?
hey i have one:grinyes: and actually the torque is soooo much better. right now im posting hp around 175 horses. for an ls that is pretty good. and no one can tell. well unless they look at the engine code.

Zanark, there is info on the B20 and the CR-Vtec...you just didn't findit. The reason the B20 isn't great for boost, espeically when compared to the B18B1, is that the B20 IS basically a bored out B18B1. As a result, it has thinner cylinder walls, which results being able to safly run less boost usually. Now, an H22 has thin cylinder walls too, so it's the same issue. Really though, if your looking for a mild power gain, throw so LS cams in the B20, and boost it to maybe 8psi tops...it'll give you the kick you want. Then again, it has 3 different wheels, so screw that...plsu they can't even get the codes right.

If you want my 2 cents, make em give you your $1,000 down payment back. Look for a cheap beater that runs to get you from point a to b if you need a car bad, worry abut getting your dream honda later, you don't need it now. Besides, car's arn't build overnight. The best cars you see around, honda, mustang, supra, nissan, or otherwise all took years to build more often than not. It's takes time and money to build one right. Don't rush into oe of thoe lemons because some lying used car salesman pushed you into it. Take your money elsewhere, buy a inexpensive beater for now...anything but giving crooks like that your money. First time shame on them, second time shame on you. You got burned a few times buy them already, if you buy a car frm them, you will probably be burned later on. With all the crap they pulled, there are bound to be problems with the cars you are not noticing.

can you not read...dude he's not getting the b20..he's goin with the prelude..which by the way is a H23

can you not read...dude he's not getting the b20..he's goin with the prelude..which by the way is a H23

I can read perfectly fine...I was making a point...Don't go with any of them, they are a bunch of crooks...BTW...the H22 came in cuz he mentioned swappin one in...maybe you should read.

thanks guys I appreciate all the help. But my mom told me that Im going to have to get a car there. See I dont wanna like give out all my buisness but she had to file bankruptcy a few years ago and she still has abit left. Her trustee has to sign off on anything. And that persons in tenesee. It takes 3 days to fax the Ok to the dealer. I start school monday. My mom works from 7am to 830pm today and tomorow only day off is friday. trustees office is closed saturday =\. So Im going to go with the prelude. There giving me a warrenty and well its 2 grand less. lol and Ive looked at every single damn beater I can think of thats not american(have not had a good time with american cars my mom wont touch them). Basically yeah the guy lied when I was physically at the dealer cause he kept saying its a K series. I dont think he really understood to much cause well he cant speak english to well. The prelude is completely stock and looks brand new in the engine bay.Im just going to go wtih that. lol with only 2 grand or less its hard to buy any kinda car. and financing for me is impossible. If I goto drive time the interest is oh say 28% =\. Ill be paying off a god damn Dodge Intrepid for freakin 4 years. These guys arent the most honest but when you dont have the best credit your gonna get screwed any way. This one guy was tryin gto freakin sell me a Eagle Talon tsi for 7 grand financed with an added 1 grand in interest. By the way it was a 96 and had 130k miles.lol so im really doing this so I can establish credit. But thanks though for all the advice. If something fucks up with the prelude ill sue there asses. But with my mom as the only person that can co sign I gotta go this way. lol I just hope this car wasnt beat to death.

Zanark, there is info on the B20 and the CR-Vtec...you just didn't findit. The reason the B20 isn't great for boost, espeically when compared to the B18B1, is that the B20 IS basically a bored out B18B1. As a result, it has thinner cylinder walls. Really though, if your looking for a mild power gain, throw so LS cams in the B20, and boost it to maybe 8psi tops...it'll give you the kick you want.
you are definately right. i spun a bearing in my old b18 and had to replace it so this is what i found. i did end up installing the b20 with the cams that came with it. i was fairly disappointed, then i put my old ls cams on and bam. nice gains. i will be getting some skunk cams, bigger throttle body, and intake manifold. then i will have a really nice non vtec motor on my hands.

If I goto drive time the interest is oh say 28% =\. Ill be paying off a god damn Dodge Intrepid for freakin 4 years.

Am I reading this right. YOu might have to pay 28% interest? You do understand how much that is right. Your getting raped! (what do you mean by drive time the interest?)

just tell your mom to cosign for a car loan from a bank or somethin and search private party for one. You will find better deals that way and also still try to get your money back from the dealer cuz that sucks.

Drive time = Dealeship here in this area that writes there own loans. www.drivetime.com, and yeah you read that write 28% thats why I said 4 freakin years lol. But naw Im never going to drive time again I was just giving an example. In either case what integra lover up there was saying is starting to interest me. All I really want is a 220hp at the flywheel reliable car. Im not realy into str8 line speed iM more of a cornering type person. But if the B20 is capable of giving me that power at a reasonable price maybe I should look back at it =\. Either way I gotta go with this place, Ive tried going to other banks lol get rejected because my dumb ass doesnt even have a bank account yet. Im working with the little $400 a month I get from social security for disability. thank god I have a cell phoen in my name or this place would have rejected me. In either case the whole Different wheels on it is really bugging me but idk. They put a new transmission in the car only 70k miles on the engine interiors in awesome condition and theres a 30k miles warrenty on each. The cars a 99 and is for $8 grand. Im a very indecisive mother fucker. but found out for financing the Prelude is gonna be 7 grand so =\. and that does have 110k miles. Maybe I should just suck it up and buy the integra and mildly modify it or hell drive it the way it is for awhile. What do you guys think?

Welp nm I changed my mind tomorow Im just gonna buy the integra. Fuck making it fast. Its got a brand new transmission in it and it only has 72k miles for 8 grand and its a 99. Ide be stupid to pass that up. So Ill do what integralover did and raise the power out put to about 170hp. Thats all I really need as of now. If I want more later on Ill save up moeny for it but this car with these little miles should last me a long ass time.

I can read perfectly fine...I was making a point...Don't go with any of them, they are a bunch of crooks...BTW...the H22 came in cuz he mentioned swappin one in...maybe you should read.


hey man...sorry to flame on you a bit...but the H23 engine thing wasnt directed to you i don't think... maybe it was you, but someone posted a question about whether it was an h22 or h23 earlier on in the thread, so thats what i was reffering to.

Ya...didn't see you were making a point...just thought that you hadn't read that he didn't want to go with the b20....

But now all the shit has changed and he's goin with the b20... so ya my bad on my post i guess..


Zanark... i think that you made the right decision to go with the teg... power might be an issue now, but at least you have the body style that you like and probably the reliability that you want as well.

Welp nm I changed my mind tomorow Im just gonna buy the integra. Fuck making it fast. Its got a brand new transmission in it and it only has 72k miles for 8 grand and its a 99. Ide be stupid to pass that up. So Ill do what integralover did and raise the power out put to about 170hp. Thats all I really need as of now. If I want more later on Ill save up moeny for it but this car with these little miles should last me a long ass time.
it is a good choice and still can be boosted. not as much as the b18, but it still can. and the hp i have now (170hp) and the added torque, which is more than the gsr at this point, really launches the car. i am pleased with the b20.

Zanark, as I said origanaly..throw some LS cams in there and it will give you an extra kick...then you can go integralovers route and add a few more things for a decent non-vtec na motor, or you can throw it on 8psi of boost. That will be fine in the motor and get you to your 220hp goal fine.

As I said, throw some LS cams into the B20, and boost it to a low psi like 8psi (make sure to have it tuned right), it'll put you reliably right around your goal. Removing the CRV cams and installing LS cams are one of the keys to getting more power out of a B20. The crv is tuned like and SUV, and it shows in the motors power curve and performance with the stock B20 cams. Throw in the LS cams, tuned more for mild performance by comparison, and it will give you an extra kick and more power. Plus they'll respond much better on boost too.

The B20 can't handle as much boost as the B18B1 by any means, but with the LS cams installed running 8psi, it'll be enough to make you happy bsed on your stated goals.

oh and while ur installing the ls cams make sure u get the ls intake manifold. i heard its way better than the crv one. the runners are too long on the crv. plus ls parts are cheap.

if you do go the forced air route make sure the fuel system is the first thing you upgrade. if you force air into combustion chamber u lean ur motor out. u get great hp readings but then the internals will melt. get like h22 injectors and a b&m fuel pressure regulator. stock injectors rate like 240cc's and the h22 is like 345cc. the new ones i believe are like 435. i can pick some up for like 100 bucks

oh and while ur installing the ls cams make sure u get the ls intake manifold. i heard its way better than the crv one. the runners are too long on the crv. plus ls parts are cheap.

if you do go the forced air route make sure the fuel system is the first thing you upgrade. if you force air into combustion chamber u lean ur motor out. u get great hp readings but then the internals will melt. get like h22 injectors and a b&m fuel pressure regulator. stock injectors rate like 240cc's and the h22 is like 345cc. the new ones i believe are like 435. i can pick some up for like 100 bucks

damn, i already put the ls cams on, and it took the motor from grocery getter, to fuck the groceries, lets drive.:evillol: but i definately did notice that there is something not quite kosher with the fuel? but is that $100 for all four? and how much better is it to have a fuel pressure regulator?

little update bought the car because the dumb fucks didnt even put a B20 in it, it was just a normal B18B1. lol problem is after I drove it for awhile I noticed how much it fucking jumped over bumps, the car has been lowered but I mean IT was crazy how much it was bumping up and down over bumps. So any way on the way home from the dealership the fucking back tire litterally blew up and I looekd in the back for a donut found one with half tread =\. No Tire iron. So had to call a tow truck, but wait shit gets shittier. so when I finally get home I go over to my boys house and lift the fucker up and take off the front tires. its got Aem springs on it cut so fucking short you can move them up and down on the Shock.so I knew i had to replace them. I thought the shocks might be adjustable because there was this plate inbetween it that lolks like it twists up or down I may just be an idiot and this is just what the stock ones look like but can someone answer that Q for me lol. Any ways basically tthe car is so fucking low the exhaust doesnt even have a full 1 inch clearance with this donut on.So tomorow after school Imma buy a used ls wheel and a set of new tires. and when I get my check next month switch out the springs. any suggestions on springs? since I believe the shocks are stock. and how can you tell if your shocks are blown or not? Thanks.

Oh also the fucking "leather" seats in the car are from a god damn prelude. And there not even put in right i sit at almost a damn slant. but ther ein perfect condition so Imma end up selling em.

Get H & R sport springs and Koni yellow shocks. That will solve your suspsenion issue and you won't regert it..or check out the Tein Basic damper, it's a true coilver, not a sleeve, similer to racing coilovers. It's a tuned damper, so the spring rates and shock dampening are tuned for each other...this means better handling, not bouncy, and a suspenion where your shocks won't blow all the time.

On a second note...I am sorry to here what they did. That car is downright dangerous to drive with cut springs, but espcially springs cut that low. Take care and don't get yourself killed. I am not superised they had a messed up suspenion and tires. They lied about so much else, I warned you that there would be many unforseen problems with ANY car you bought from them, problems you wouldn't discover until after the fact.

That's why I said screw them, get your money back, and buy a beater for now. That suspenion won't be cheap to fix, but do it right.

PM jackasssi...he knows his suspension stuff, he can help you figure things out.

aight thanks man I trully appreciate it. and yeah I got screwed everything looked good on paper. I just looked at the engine and tranny and nothing else =\. Ah well itleast those will last me awhile I mean if i fix the suspension and replace the wheels and tires it should be pretty sweet. But that combo sounds pretty good Ill look into that thanks.

aight thanks man I trully appreciate it. and yeah I got screwed everything looked good on paper. I just looked at the engine and tranny and nothing else =\. Ah well itleast those will last me awhile I mean if i fix the suspension and replace the wheels and tires it should be pretty sweet. But that combo sounds pretty good Ill look into that thanks.

I am glad to help out, I hope it works.

here are a few of their sites...

www.tein.com
www.hrsprings.com

damn, i already put the ls cams on, and it took the motor from grocery getter, to fuck the groceries, lets drive.:evillol: but i definately did notice that there is something not quite kosher with the fuel? but is that $100 for all four? and how much better is it to have a fuel pressure regulator?
100 for all four. with out the fuel pressure regulator the higher rated cc injectors would be useless unless the ecu is programmed for more fuel. but if youre n/a and not forced air then there really isnt a need for ugrading the fuel system. but if you are making A LOT more horsepower than stock then you should look into upgrading fuel system just to be safe.

Man, you really trust this car? A new tranny, cut springs, seats installed incorrectly, it sounds to me like it was probably beat to fk. And are you sure the tranny is new, and not some POS from a junkyard? I'd ask for papers to prove the tranny is new, or at least rebuilt.Could have 200,000 miles on it for all you know. It sucks being in situtions when you gotta say FK IT. Been there, still there. But like someone else had posted, I woulda bought a beater for now. At least ya don't have to buy parts with payment $. Gd LK man, hope everything works out fine wit the car.

yeah its new he gave me the receipt lol it was three grand including install

i could get an ls tranny installed for 600 tops