Hemi VS Triton

First off i do NOT want to start a war here, i'm just looking for information, so do NOT be offended by anything as i just want the help of my trusted AF conspirators.

Last night i was watching TV, and saw a commercial. It was of the Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.7L hemi V8, which was hitched to a trailer on which was mounted a '68 Dodge Charger R/T. Parked next to it was an F150 (they didn't say the motor) hitched to a trailer with a Mustang Boss 302 on it. (I'm unsure of the Boss 302 part, but that doesn't matter). Both trucks were in their Quad cab/Crew cab configurations respectively. I couldn't determine trim levels, but the Dodge looked like it was the Laramie SLT, and the F150 looked like it was FX4 or Lariat.

The two trucks hit it and right off the start within 30 feet, the Dodge pulled ahead of the Ford. By the end of the commerical, there was about 1/2 a car length between the trailer with the Charger and the front of the F150. They raced down a 'drag strip', so no turns or hills.

They claimed that this test had recently been performed, and that because the hemi had the most horsepower in it's class, it out-performed the F150.

Here is where i need your help. This means YOU the reader, so don't click out of this post!

The Ford F150 has the most torque in it's class, with the exception of Nissan's new Titan with it's 5.6L V8 (i think that's what Nissan has). What is bothering me, is that the Dodge cannot out-pull the F150, neither can the Nissan. The F150 has the highest towing capacity in it's class, which therefore means the torque has to be high, and available low. In fact, 80% of it's torque is available at 1000 RPMs, which is ever so slightly above idle.

I have seen with my own eyes, the following scenario:

A 2004 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab Larmie SLT with the Hemi fresh off the showroom floor had a rope tied to it's rear hitch reciever. The other end of that rope was tied to the hitch reciever of a 2004 Ford F150 Crew Cab FX4, also right off the showroom floor.

Both trucks were in 2 wheel drive.

A horn sounded, and both drivers punched it. The hemi broke loose, it's tires started spinning and smoking something wicked, a major burn out. And the hemi was screaming, it was awesome. But the Dodge wasn't moving forward, it was moving backwards as all this went on.

The Ford was pulling it across the parking lot. About 0.5 degrees UPHILL to be exact. Now as i stated, this i saw with my own eyes, at a Ford ride and drive, a product introduction showing how the new truck stood up against the competition about a month before the new truck was introduced to the public last fall. This viewing was only available to employees of Ford Motor Company, and i was a Ford salesman at the time, so i attented and drove all the trucks they had to compare them and such. Anyway:

Now, based on the factual information i provided, and what i've seen with my own 2 eyes, would the commercial have been factual. Does anyone know anything about the 'comparison' that was shown?

I believe it was a pile of BS myself, just there to show that the F150 doesn't have as much horsepower. My reasons:

1. The Ford has more torque, so will pull better right from the word go.

2. The Mustang is lighter then the Charger (i think?) so the Ford has the advantage anyway.

3. I've seen the trucks hitched together, and the F150 was stronger.

So how does the Dodge win??

As stated, i think this is a pile of BS myself, and am thinking of writing a letter to Daimler Chrysler as a result of it. What i need from you my friends, is your opinions and knowledge about what has been described here, and i hope you can shed some light on this subject as to whether i'm gravely mistaken and all i've witnessed is propaganda, or if i'm correct and the commercial was put out there to be just like a politician; degrading and influencing.

:cya:

Thanks so much for reading all of this, and thank you in advance for your replies.

did you seriously just ask that question?
it's a commercial.
do you really think that they'd show the ford winning, even if it was faster?

it's a dodge commercial.
why do you think the dodge won?

ask this in the car comparison forum, and you'll get tons of GOOD feedback...

write them a letter, but they'll tell you that it's a marketing idea.
no big deal. happens all the time.

if we were to write people letters for every sketchy/untrue commercial on TV...

Yes fly, i understand that, but in all seriousness, why would you show something that was total BS? The Dodge can't out-pull the F150, so how can they show that it can?

There's legal issues around that...i can appreciate your point flyswi, but really...

there's really not any legal issue.
you can't say that they defnitively DID beat it b/c it's better.
they don't say that in any of their ads.
b/c THAT is illegal.
i'm well versed on the advertising issues, it's my major in college.

the point in the commercial is that the dodge *could* out pull the ford.

FYI:
the mustang and charger are pretty close in weight, i'm sure you could waste time finding it, but it's a moot point.

nowhere in any of dodge's commercials do they say:
our truck is better, and CAN outrun the ford with a trailer.
they simply imply it.

trust me, if there was an issue...
ford, gm, the fcc, they'd all be on dodge's ass.

the advertising business is self regulated, with the fcc as a backup.

so if it were blatantly false, the commercial would NEVER have made it.

Yes fly, i understand that, but in all seriousness, why would you show something that was total BS? The Dodge can't out-pull the F150, so how can they show that it can?

I always laugh at all those commercials. The Nissan truck is the only one that doesn't do those "1/4-mile trailer acceleration" commercials (so far as I know), yet, in real-world testing, out-accelerates all these competitors in its class, especially with a trailer in tow.

http://edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/101958/page005.html
- To see how the Titan pulled off the win, look no further than its performance at the test track. Truck owners love to talk numbers and the Titan turned in top results in nearly every category. Its 0-to-60-mph time of 7.7 seconds was a full half second ahead of the second-place Dodge, and when it was loaded down with a 6,000-pound trailer and three passengers, it extended its lead over the Ram to nearly three seconds (16.8 vs. 19.5). Test notes revealed that the Titan got off the line faster than every other truck in the test, unloaded or not, and maintained a strong, virtually uninterrupted pull thanks to seamless shifts from its five-speed gearbox.

http://edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/101958/page013.html#performance

Yeah, i found that interesting myself carrrnut. I read that in a magazine a week or two ago and couldn't believe it...Motortrend i think it was. I tend to laugh at commercials myself...it's funny. GMC raved about more standard horsepower then the F150 when it came out, and they all pretty much do, but as the Ford was 'chasing' the Chevy around the lot, you could see the horrible lean and ride to it, where the 150 stayed beautifully flat and all the rest...quite redundant i thought! Then Dodge around the same time, was raving about how they have 20 inch rims and the hemi, something the Ford doesn't. And they wonder why they have lower towing capacity and the worst fuel mileage!!

In any event, flywsi i guess i should have clarified what i meant by legal issues, what i was referring too is that they were implied based on the content. I can appreciated that you're more versed on me in the subject if it's your major in college.

My own major is in Automotive Marketing, i suppose that explains why i'm so bothered about this. I shouldn't be surprised by the cut-throat tactics however, i have been selling cars and trucks for nearly 2 years....

Oh well. I know this is turning into a bit of an off topic debate, but i suppose the bottom line is that i don't believe it can happen, though it was certainly implied. Back to bottom line: In your experience and extensive knowledge, was the commercial BS or i am i a moron for thinking what i do??

Yeah chevy's always doing the "More standard horsepower then *insert car here*"

Posted by sk8ter_in_ny

Yeah chevy's always doing the "More standard horsepower then *insert car here*"


:grinno: they have a tendency of doing that don't they??

Yup,

"Chevy Impala has more standard Horsepower then Toyota Corolla"
"Chevy Silverado has more standard Horsepower then Ford F-150 And Dodge Ram"
"Chevy Cavalier has more standard Horsepower then Ford Focus"

Firts of all lets get the facts. Ford started this whole drag racing thing when it made fun of the dodge "that thing got a hemi" comercials. In the ford comercial they simulate the dodge comercial but the F150 pulling the stang destroys the ram pulling the charger.

So a few months later the Dodge comercial shows up, with the cars in same configuration as in the ford comercial with the dodge winning, however the Dorge comercial specifies at the end that the comercial was an actual test done by an independent organisation. If I see the comercial again I'll try to write its name down.

So unless that its a fraudulent organisation that test was valid.

As far as your experience, I belive what you saw; however, the test was done under the control of ford and for all we know that dodge was tampered with. So unless that dodge came sealed straight from dodge or at least fully checked by a dodge mechanic in my eyes it was meaningless.

[QUOTE=landyacht]Yeah, i found that interesting myself carrrnut. I read that in a magazine a week or two ago and couldn't believe it...Motortrend i think it was. I tend to laugh at commercials myself...it's funny. GMC raved about more standard horsepower then the F150 when it came out, and they all pretty much do, but as the Ford was 'chasing' the Chevy around the lot, you could see the horrible lean and ride to it, where the 150 stayed beautifully flat and all the rest...quite redundant i thought! Then Dodge around the same time, was raving about how they have 20 inch rims and the hemi, something the Ford doesn't. And they wonder why they have lower towing capacity and the worst fuel mileage!!

It seems like no matter what you hear you'll still believe the f-150 is the best truck out there...

Firts of all lets get the facts. Ford started this whole drag racing thing when it made fun of the dodge "that thing got a hemi" comercials. In the ford comercial they simulate the dodge comercial but the F150 pulling the stang destroys the ram pulling the charger.

So a few months later the Dodge comercial shows up, with the cars in same configuration as in the ford comercial with the dodge winning, however the Dorge comercial specifies at the end that the comercial was an actual test done by an independent organisation. If I see the comercial again I'll try to write its name down.

So unless that its a fraudulent organisation that test was valid.

As far as your experience, I belive what you saw; however, the test was done under the control of ford and for all we know that dodge was tampered with. So unless that dodge came sealed straight from dodge or at least fully checked by a dodge mechanic in my eyes it was meaningless.

Check the stats I posted. The Hemi Ram outruns the Triton F-150 in every test, including towing.

Check the stats I posted. The Hemi Ram outruns the Triton F-150 in every test, including towing.


thanks for pointing that. i missed somehow that link

It seems like no matter what you hear you'll still believe the f-150 is the best truck out there...

Well, i did sell for Ford for nearly 2 years, and i worked for the dealership i worked for specifically because they dealt mainly in trucks, and i've been a Ford truck guy all my life...so yeah, i am biased!! :grinno:

It's not the truck of the year for no good reason either!!

Firts of all lets get the facts. Ford started this whole drag racing thing when it made fun of the dodge "that thing got a hemi" comercials. In the ford comercial they simulate the dodge comercial but the F150 pulling the stang destroys the ram pulling the charger.

I haven't seen this commercial...that makes a good point! I'll have to keep an eye out for it, as if this is the case, it makes for a level playing field in which case i've foot-mouthed again i think. :icon16:

As far as your experience, I belive what you saw; however, the test was done under the control of ford and for all we know that dodge was tampered with. So unless that dodge came sealed straight from dodge or at least fully checked by a dodge mechanic in my eyes it was meaningless.

I can't say that one way or the other.. :dunno: ..i do know the tires were new on each, and the trucks were totally stock but beyond that i can't say. The Chevy that was there was the same way, loaded to the hilt with new tires and the whole bit...like i said, i dunno, so i guess your point is valid!

I read the whole article carrrnut, and though it's not actually stated, the Dodge seems to be faster then the F150 in the 1/4 mile, as stated the Titan was fastest, and they imply the Dodge as the 2nd place winner.

Thank you for the information, i'm rather disappointed that the Dodge would be faster then the F150, as the F150 has better torque and towing capacity, though the numbers put into the real world do make a difference afterall. Neutrino, if you can see who the independent study guys were, please post it, i'll watch for it myself and see if i can't dig up the actual results...otherwise, please and thankyou for the information!

Thanks for your knowledge and research all, this is what i needed to know...no-matter how frustrating it is!

:swear: ... :banghead:

I cannot believe there's a thread debating why a Dodge commercial shows a Dodge winning a scripted race... :wtf:

If i see that comecial I'll make sure to make a note of it.


About the comercials, I do find Ford's aproach to the us market a bit too agresive. I found the comercial that made fun of dodge tasteless, also their dismissive atitude towards Ferrari in the new Ford GT40 project as insulting. Bsically because of that attitude i almost cannot stand what is otherwise a great sports car.

For one I preffer a more "proper" aproach in which the manufacturers focus on their own strenghts rather than "we are so much better" atitude.

But again those comercial are made under the dirrection of the marketing and public relations departments, and I sure they made proper field studies on what aproach would work best for their target audience.

About tests, that one at ford might have been legit or maybe not. there is no way to verify it. Even the magazine tests cannot be 100% trusted since a lot of their vehicles are delivered by the manufacturers themselves and could be subtly upgraded.

The only proper way would be for a 3rd party (a magazine for example) to take the vehicles at a random time from a random dealership and then test them.

Thank you for the information, i'm rather disappointed that the Dodge would be faster then the F150
:swear: ... :banghead:

I feel the same frustration with the stock HEMI's being faster than chevy's stock 5.3L silverado.......but that doesn't mean we cant make them faster!

Posted by RedNeck383

I cannot believe there's a thread debating why a Dodge commercial shows a Dodge winning a scripted race...

Actually, i'm debating whether or not it's factual that the Dodge is faster then the F150...the commercial just pissed me off!


The only proper way would be for a 3rd party (a magazine for example) to take the vehicles at a random time from a random dealership and then test them

Your whole post is great Neutrino, and i agree with it entirely...as a salesman i can't justify Head Office, so i'm not even gonna bother! I think this point in particualr i agree with, straight off the showroom floor is gonna give the best results, so 3rd parties need to do that when they do the testing.


I feel the same frustration with the stock HEMI's being faster than chevy's stock 5.3L silverado.......but that doesn't mean we cant make them faster!

Absolutely!

[QUOTE=landyacht]A horn sounded, and both drivers punched it. The hemi broke loose, it's tires started spinning and smoking something wicked, a major burn out. And the hemi was screaming, it was awesome. But the Dodge wasn't moving forward, it was moving backwards as all this went on.[QUOTE]

Well, the problem here is that it's not really a horsepower or torque contest, but one of traction. I don't know if they had the same tires as stock or not, but that would be one thing I'd look to. Plus, if the Dodge began by lighting up its tires, well, that ruins the traction it's getting, and, effectively, loses it the pulling contest right out of the gate.

I've seen a 5.0L Ford Truck (I don't recall anything about it other than the engine) and an old green military truck of some sort, with 70hp, and the military truck just drug the Ford like nobody's business. It was all traction... if you hit it too hard, you'll light up, and lose traction... and then you've lost. Similar situation, same sort of moral.

70hp? probably diesel. Wouldnt be suprised if that truck had close to 300ft/lbs of torque. But yeah, I noticed that as well in his description. The only true way to test is to have them do tractor pull type events.

70hp? probably diesel. Wouldnt be suprised if that truck had close to 300ft/lbs of torque. But yeah, I noticed that as well in his description. The only true way to test is to have them do tractor pull type events.

Actually I think it was leaded gasoline (you know how much of a pain lead substitute is to find? He told me all about it) and I wouldn't be surprised with that much torque either, although I could easily keep up with him in my gimpy 300ZX.

on this same note, have we all seen the commercial with the dodge magnum wagon beating the lotus esprit on a twisty road...

they're just "feel good" commercials.

on this same note, have we all seen the commercial with the dodge magnum wagon beating the lotus esprit on a twisty road...

they're just "feel good" commercials.


I agree with this one too, wouldn't happen in reality (imo) but it gets the point across.


Well, the problem here is that it's not really a horsepower or torque contest, but one of traction. I don't know if they had the same tires as stock or not, but that would be one thing I'd look to. Plus, if the Dodge began by lighting up its tires, well, that ruins the traction it's getting, and, effectively, loses it the pulling contest right out of the gate.

Both drivers punched it at the same time, and both trucks had new tires on them. The Ford just squawked the tires a little and started pulling and of course you read what the Dodge was doing!

Well, you have a few things wrong here. The Hemi has 10 more ft/lbs of torque than the Triton does. The Charger used was a 69 Dodge Charger R/T, much heavier than a 68.

The commercial you saw was not even conducted by Daimler Chrysler. Ford was making advertisements where the guy with the Hemi was pulling the Charger and a guy pulls up next to him in an F-150 with a Mustang, a notably lighter car, and beats him in a drag race. In retaliation Chrysler went to a third party to conduct their commercial where the Hemi beats the Triton. It even states this at the bottom of the screen. The tests were done by a third party, not Chrysler so don't bother writing them a letter.

I don't know what you saw, but you must know that any vehicle straight of the lot will not perform as it will when broken in, they should have done that first.

Also, the F-150 has more LOW END torque, meaning that most of its useable torque is low in the powerband. Also, towing capacity is an arbitrary number; they can say what ever they want. There are many factors like gearing, the hitch, the transmission, and other things that can affect towing capacity it isn't just the engine.

All I have to say is I am frustrated with Dodge. They can't advance their technology anymore and were losing in the "Diesel War" to Ford and Chevy so the have to put the same motor in half thier models. The Dakota, Ram, and a Station Wagon? I think it is sad.

I may have missed it somewhere, becuase I never read EVERY reply, but I did skim through them, but I can't believe nobody hasn't posted hte actual hp and torque numbers for both engines!

First of all, Ford is lying about having the most torque in the class. Here are the stats:

5.4L Triton: 300 hp, 365 lbs-tq
5.7L Hemi: 345 hp, 375 lbs-tq
5.6L Nissan: 305 hp, 379 lbs-tq
5.3L Vortec: 310 hp (2005), 330 lbs-tq

Also, the F-150 has more LOW END torque, meaning that most of its useable torque is low in the powerband. Also, towing capacity is an arbitrary number; they can say what ever they want. There are many factors like gearing, the hitch, the transmission, and other things that can affect towing capacity it isn't just the engine.

This was the debate that i was hoping to accomplish here Polygon...by the way, thanks for posting the torque numbers, i didn't know the Dodge had more torque, just the horsepower.

First of all, Ford is lying about having the most torque in the class.

Based on the numbers, i have to agree. What years is this for? '04 or '05? The reason i asked is because in the Ford product guide for sales people, one of the things for '04 that they stress is that the new F150 has the most torque in it's class...i dunno if things changed since the introduction of the truck??

Oh well. I personally think more low-end torque is best suited for what a truck is built to do...haul stuff.

All I have to say is I am frustrated with Dodge. They can't advance their technology anymore and were losing in the "Diesel War" to Ford and Chevy so the have to put the same motor in half thier models. The Dakota, Ram, and a Station Wagon? I think it is sad.

The Dodge and Jeep line up is what's keeping Chrysler afloat, and even Jeep is falling through the cracks. The thing that has Dodge going is the hemi power they're putting in all their vehicles. There are talks of dropping Chrysler from the line-up altogether.

I don't like Chrysler much anyways...i'm still very wary of their history of transmission problems.

Well, the Dodge Hemi was available in 1500 Rams I think in 2003, and it had 345hp, 375 lbs-tq then as well. So Ford has never had the most torque in the class. The commercials say 80% of its torque is reached at somethign like 1500 rpms or so. I don't know what the stats are for the other trucks, but I do know that MOST Chevrolet engines have 90% of their peak torque from 1500-5500 rpms or somethign like that (means they have super flat torque curves-which is what you really want).

Either way, Ford is lieing about the most torque. They do have the highest towing capacity, but there is a trick to that as well. That high towing capacity is only in the "Payload Package" F-150, in a long wheelbase, single cab, 2WD only truck(GVRW is 8600 lbs, which is essentially a 3/4 ton truck, and GM offered a 1500HD starting in 2002 I think and 2003, dropped it for 2004 but it will be back for 2005, it's a crew cab Silverado with the 6.0 engine and it had a tow rating of 10,000 lbs I think in a 4WD version). The F-150s that will be the most popular (extended cab, short wheel base, FX4 package) has the same tow rating as an extended cab, short wheel base, Z-71 (I think its 7300 lbs).

So you see, there are enormous loop holes manufactorers have, but when it comes right down to it, Ford is lieing in the commercials that say "Most torque in it's class".

As for the comments in a previous post about Chevrolet saying more standard HP then Ford, Dodge, and Toyota, well this is true in crew cab trucks (which is the only commercial I've seen Chevy say this) and that's becasue a crew cab Silverado comes standard with the 5.3 engine (295 hp now, 310 next year), where Ford and Dodge have the 4.6 and 4.7L V-8s as standard.

chevytrucks92 Thanks for your info, just a couple things need correction.

Either way, Ford is lieing about the most torque.

No, i was...my bad! I pulled out my 'stolen' product guide, and what it says is that the F150 has the most low-end torque in it's class; ie at 1000 RPMS it makes the most torque.

That high towing capacity is only in the "Payload Package" F-150, in a long wheelbase, single cab, 2WD only truck(GVRW is 8600 lbs, which is essentially a 3/4 ton truck

Close. The 8600lbs is correct, we called it an 8800 package, which is basically the 7700 package for the new bodystyle. It's a heavy 1/2 tonne that pulls like a 3/4 tonne. You MUST buy it with the 5.4L V8 and the 8 foot box, it's not available any other way. This can be achieved with the regular cab, or supercab, or crewcab. The crewcab isn't rated for the 9500lb towing capacity though, only the regular and supercab models.

Right on then. I thought the payload package was only available in long wheelbase, regular cab, but thanks for the info, lol.

The way I look at it however is if I want to pull 9500 lbs, then I'm gonna buy a heavy duty truck with a big block engine, or a diesel, and have something I can use year around and looks good(4WD, short bed, instead of 2WD long bed).

That's just my opinion. I'm not downing the payload F-150 at all, just saying if I want to pull that much, then I'm gonna buy an F-250 so I can get the high tow rating in a 4WD vehicle (actually, I woudl buy a 2500HD Silverado, lol, but just proving a point by using the F-250)

You know the Titan doesn't look much like a Titan.....its looks small to me, almost midsize but a tad bigger.

go look at one in person.
it's a hella big truck when it's next to you

if I want to pull that much, then I'm gonna buy an F-250 so I can get the high tow rating in a 4WD vehicle

I agree, 4wd and a limited spil rear axle i prefer myself, i'd buy the 1 tonne though...1500 bucks more and you get a truck you can do more with and has a better ride!

The only reason the heavy payload trucks are around is because if someone is pulling a 5th wheel that weighs 6000 pounds (for example) but has a 1500 pound tongue weight, that's too much for a traditional 1/2 tonne to handle, so you can get a 1/2 tonne truck that's plenty capable of doing the work without having to go to a much more expensive diesel/V10 truck.

You know the Titan doesn't look much like a Titan.....its looks small to me, almost midsize but a tad bigger.

go look at one in person. it's a hella big truck when it's next to you

It's actually a good size truck...it's as menacing as the Dodge in my opinion...i don't like the interior on it though. If i'm buying a truck, i want a TRUCK not a BMW. I wouldn't buy one that's ritzier then the new F-series..that's classy enough for my taste.

Yeah you buy that fancy interior in the F-150 and it makes you not want to get it dirty...

LOL, that's what leather protection is for, just wipe and it's clean again!

Its not just the leather you would have to worry about.

Well I like a 1-ton truck if its a single wheel version. I don't care much about a dualie, even though if you plan on pulling a 5th wheel, that would be teh best way to go.

I'm not such a big fan of diesels either, but that is mainly becuase of the high initial cost, plus the high service bills. Now if I wanted a diesel, I would buy one that is a year or two old, but if I were in the market for a brand new HD truck, I'd go for one with a big gasoline engine (preferrebly the Chevy Silverado 2500HD with the Vortec 8100 big block V-8).

Its not just the leather you would have to worry about.


What else do you mean? Everything else being dirty is just a dmap rag and some armour all....


Well I like a 1-ton truck if its a single wheel version. I don't care much about a dualie, even though if you plan on pulling a 5th wheel, that would be teh best way to go.

I'm not such a big fan of diesels either, but that is mainly becuase of the high initial cost, plus the high service bills. Now if I wanted a diesel, I would buy one that is a year or two old, but if I were in the market for a brand new HD truck, I'd go for one with a big gasoline engine (preferrebly the Chevy Silverado 2500HD with the Vortec 8100 big block V-8).

I agree...no dualies...a single rear wheel, crew cab, short box, chestnut brown with Arizona beige 2-tone, F350 King Ranch Diesel with FX4, all options including back-up sensor and moonroof, 3.73 limited slip, diesel automatic.

If i was to go gas, it'd be the 6.8L V10...the big vortec is a great gas application, but for the kind of work that those trucks are qualified to do, i prefer the extra cyclinders to make the power. Just because the motor doesn't have to work as hard, and fuel consumption is so close i'd feel better about the bigger engine. Plus Ford's 6.8L V10 is a 10 best engine!!

Chevy VS Ford....this a Dodge versus Ford thread dammit! LOL, j/k

:smokin:

Well now the Vortec 8100 makes more power then the 6.8L V-10, and at a lower RPM, lol (I think the 455 lbs-tq come at like 3600 rpms or so, and somethign liek 400 is available at 1000 rpms or so). And technically, even though its got two less cylinders, it is the bigger engine! lolol.

Sorry to go off the Dodge vs. Ford deal, lol. I'm just one of those diehard Chevrolet guys!

Hmmm...that's alot of oomph in a V8...the 6.8L has 325hp and 410 torque! Meh...oh well!

Sorry to go off the Dodge vs. Ford deal, lol. I'm just one of those diehard Chevrolet guys!

No worries...i'm a Ford truck man myself (mr obvious!). But hey, it's like they say:

Found On Road Dead

I'd rather be PUSHING my Ford then be caught DEAD driving in a Chevy!

We all have our quirks, it goes both ways. It's all good! :smile:

Exactly, lol.

The 8.1L V-8 was rated for 340 hp and 455 lbs-tq when it first came out, but now its rated for 330 hp and 450 lbs-tq.

Why the decrease in power? I've never understood why they do that...

Not really sure. Maybe it was overrated at first, or maybe they just decided to underrate it now.

I'm anxious to see what kind of power GM gets out of the next gen. small blocks (the ones that will use 3-valves per cylinder, in OHV set-up). I've heard up to 30 more hp.

Good point....

Its a damn commercial.

Posted by pnoiSR20
Its a damn commercial.

You didn't read the whole thread did you? :disappoin