Goal
eversio11
06-18-2004, 12:39 AM
Goal:
http://www.whatsbetter.com/static/images/1786.jpg
4 months, 3 days
I honestly don't know what's realisitic or not for me. I'm 6'1, 140 lbs so I'm rather scrawny. I do know trying to get your body to look exactly like someone's elses is unrealistic, but Brad Pitt's body is similar to my goal. I don't want some Hercules-esque body with enormous arms and chest. I just want to be cut with strength. However I do want to gain some 15 or 20 pounds in muscle.
Anyone have any suggestions on where to start? I have a very fine layer of fat around my lower torso which is disabling me from ripping my abs and obliques. Should I burn that fat first and get cut there then bulk up, or should I bulk up now and then cut everything later? Again, I want to get as close to possible as that body type in 4 months and 3 days, as there is a huge Vegas trip on that fourth day. And I am quite serious about this, this will be the main focus of my summer.
I assume my diet is going to be a huge part of this, so again I need advice on whether or not to bulk up first or get my abs ripped first. I'm willing to buy supplements for my diet with some GNC products or similar. So as far as foods and calorie intake I'm clueless.
I think I have some exercise routines for my arms, chest, and abs that I can use but any advice on cardio training and other exercises on getting to my goal would be great.
I was thinking about going to the local Lifetime fitness and getting advice from trainers but I figured AF was cheaper and faster to get some information from. Hope someone can help, and TIA.
http://www.whatsbetter.com/static/images/1786.jpg
4 months, 3 days
I honestly don't know what's realisitic or not for me. I'm 6'1, 140 lbs so I'm rather scrawny. I do know trying to get your body to look exactly like someone's elses is unrealistic, but Brad Pitt's body is similar to my goal. I don't want some Hercules-esque body with enormous arms and chest. I just want to be cut with strength. However I do want to gain some 15 or 20 pounds in muscle.
Anyone have any suggestions on where to start? I have a very fine layer of fat around my lower torso which is disabling me from ripping my abs and obliques. Should I burn that fat first and get cut there then bulk up, or should I bulk up now and then cut everything later? Again, I want to get as close to possible as that body type in 4 months and 3 days, as there is a huge Vegas trip on that fourth day. And I am quite serious about this, this will be the main focus of my summer.
I assume my diet is going to be a huge part of this, so again I need advice on whether or not to bulk up first or get my abs ripped first. I'm willing to buy supplements for my diet with some GNC products or similar. So as far as foods and calorie intake I'm clueless.
I think I have some exercise routines for my arms, chest, and abs that I can use but any advice on cardio training and other exercises on getting to my goal would be great.
I was thinking about going to the local Lifetime fitness and getting advice from trainers but I figured AF was cheaper and faster to get some information from. Hope someone can help, and TIA.
RSX-S777
06-18-2004, 10:06 PM
Read Body for Life by Bill Phillips (President of EAS/ mentioned it in another thread). With his program, in twelve-fifteen weeks, 20 minutes of peaking cardio 3X and peaked workouts 3 times per week with high protein intake you WILL do it. Book is full of before/after pics of 12 weekers who started off in MUCH worse shape than you are describing. Those pics are very inspiring- some of the people went through incredible transformations. I do the program from home with a home gym and it worked for me. I'll never go back.
...paid for by the EAS Corporation... :lol:
...paid for by the EAS Corporation... :lol:
eversio11
06-19-2004, 12:36 PM
No offense, but I don't feel like purchasing a book featuring this douche on the cover:
http://www.eas.is/vorur/myndir/billphillips2.gif
http://www.eas.is/vorur/myndir/billphillips2.gif
RSX-S777
06-19-2004, 08:39 PM
Hehe...that "douche" is the founder of one of the largest fitness supplement companies in the United States and has trained Nasa astronauts, John Elway and numerous other pro athletes. You can't be "quite serious" about your goals at all if you would forego checking out an incredibly helpful book simply because of the picture on the cover...but- it's your money and your body. Hope you find something that works... :rolleyes:
eversio11
06-19-2004, 11:47 PM
It's not just the picture, its what the picture entails about the entire book and 'program'. There are dozens of books out there intended to get Fat America into shape. The intentions are good, the follow-through is not so much. It's a money making scam. I can tell by the cover, and after researching the reviews on Amazon, I know its just some bullshit book to cash in on America's obsession with losing weight. I don't want to 'get into shape' or 'have a body for life', I want to train. And I came here for training tips. Not an advertisment for Myoplex.
Oz
06-20-2004, 06:05 AM
If you do what the book says, you'll get results. If you don't, you won't - can we make it any simpler than that?
Stop whingeing, get pumping.
Stop whingeing, get pumping.
kittedb18bt
06-20-2004, 07:53 PM
you must gain weight before you try to cut up. Neutrino will back me on this (since i know he is going to read this).
my weight gaining stage lasted about 1.5 years to 2 years. this is when i went from 125 to 160lbs. i am 5'6" btw. it sounds like you are a pretty extreme ectomorph, i am as well. i know how hard it is to gain weight.
tips: you hear protein day and night. this is the only way you can do it though. my old roommate says "but i do take protein". he did, but only a scoop or two a day (whey). i take 5-6 a day, which would be an additional 100+ grams of protein SUPPLEMENTED to my daily diet.
i already consume great amounts of protein from my diet. i would try peanut butter. this should be a great weight gainer. hmm, try to drink whole milk as well.
you WILL gain fat during this weight gaining phase, so dont let this surprise you and make you quit. keep it up, you will feel really good about yourself.
i am actually getting pretty close to that brad pitt picture that you posted. i have stated numerous times to friends that that is who i want to look like. i am an ectomorph, and i am supposed to be very cut. i know i could never look like vin diesel or anyone like that.
hope i can help.
my weight gaining stage lasted about 1.5 years to 2 years. this is when i went from 125 to 160lbs. i am 5'6" btw. it sounds like you are a pretty extreme ectomorph, i am as well. i know how hard it is to gain weight.
tips: you hear protein day and night. this is the only way you can do it though. my old roommate says "but i do take protein". he did, but only a scoop or two a day (whey). i take 5-6 a day, which would be an additional 100+ grams of protein SUPPLEMENTED to my daily diet.
i already consume great amounts of protein from my diet. i would try peanut butter. this should be a great weight gainer. hmm, try to drink whole milk as well.
you WILL gain fat during this weight gaining phase, so dont let this surprise you and make you quit. keep it up, you will feel really good about yourself.
i am actually getting pretty close to that brad pitt picture that you posted. i have stated numerous times to friends that that is who i want to look like. i am an ectomorph, and i am supposed to be very cut. i know i could never look like vin diesel or anyone like that.
hope i can help.
eversio11
06-20-2004, 08:23 PM
you must gain weight before you try to cut up. Neutrino will back me on this (since i know he is going to read this).
my weight gaining stage lasted about 1.5 years to 2 years. this is when i went from 125 to 160lbs. i am 5'6" btw. it sounds like you are a pretty extreme ectomorph, i am as well. i know how hard it is to gain weight.
tips: you hear protein day and night. this is the only way you can do it though. my old roommate says "but i do take protein". he did, but only a scoop or two a day (whey). i take 5-6 a day, which would be an additional 100+ grams of protein SUPPLEMENTED to my daily diet.
i already consume great amounts of protein from my diet. i would try peanut butter. this should be a great weight gainer. hmm, try to drink whole milk as well.
you WILL gain fat during this weight gaining phase, so dont let this surprise you and make you quit. keep it up, you will feel really good about yourself.
Alright cool, thanks for the reply. During this weight gaining period, what should I do in terms of exercise? Remember, I have this trip in 4 months so I don't want to be in the middle of my weight gaining phase and have fat when I'm on the trip. TIA
my weight gaining stage lasted about 1.5 years to 2 years. this is when i went from 125 to 160lbs. i am 5'6" btw. it sounds like you are a pretty extreme ectomorph, i am as well. i know how hard it is to gain weight.
tips: you hear protein day and night. this is the only way you can do it though. my old roommate says "but i do take protein". he did, but only a scoop or two a day (whey). i take 5-6 a day, which would be an additional 100+ grams of protein SUPPLEMENTED to my daily diet.
i already consume great amounts of protein from my diet. i would try peanut butter. this should be a great weight gainer. hmm, try to drink whole milk as well.
you WILL gain fat during this weight gaining phase, so dont let this surprise you and make you quit. keep it up, you will feel really good about yourself.
Alright cool, thanks for the reply. During this weight gaining period, what should I do in terms of exercise? Remember, I have this trip in 4 months so I don't want to be in the middle of my weight gaining phase and have fat when I'm on the trip. TIA
ghetto7o2azn
06-20-2004, 08:28 PM
you need to build up some mass, so heavier weights at lower reps... when the mass is built up, then you drop the fat by doing cardio, and low weight at high reps
kittedb18bt
06-20-2004, 10:50 PM
you need to build up some mass, so heavier weights at lower reps... when the mass is built up, then you drop the fat by doing cardio, and low weight at high reps
what he said.
ummm, you are not going to put on that much weight in 4 months. people generally quit their routines because they do not see results soon enough. like i said, it took me almost 2 years to put on the mass i did.
your sleep schedule is extremely important. i am 21, so of course i stay out late on the weekends, but during the week it is all business. how old are your eversio11? i can tell you are an intelligent guy, but just somewhat ignorant on this subject presently.(which is why this forum is here. hey, i am ignorant when it comes to mustangs...i just got mine)
in 4 months, hmmmm... i would just try to really cut up, thats if i had to choose. you are NOT going to gain but 10 lbs or so in this period. lets say you do, well then you are going to have to burn 5-6lbs of it off because of the water retention and because you have gained fat as well.
not to insult anyone, but this is a typical question he had initially posted. this is almost a 'get rich quick scheme'. to "Build your body" takes time, and a TON of hardwork. the hardwork is actually not in the training. it is sticking to a diet, and knowing when to eat the specific foods found in your diet. muscle, as stated numerous times, is REbuilt outside of the gym... this is called the anabolic stage. while working out, your body is in a state of catabolism-tearing down muscles because of the strain put on them.
in short (to gain weight): go get a diet and stick to it. eat even when you are not hungry. try to consume 300grams of protein daily! get on these 3 key supplemts-whey protein(soy can suck my ****), glutamine, and creatine. KNOW HOW TO CYCLE CREATINE OR DO NOT TAKE IT.
know your body: sleep when it wants to sleep. try to get more than 6 hours a night. if an exercise hurts, not burns, but hurts you in any way STOP doing that exercise.
routine: get a weight that you can only do 4-8 reps of on the first 3 sets. lets say i do 4 sets of 6 on the bench. i will do 6 the first 3 sets, but on the last one i may only get 3 or 4 reps in. your buddy helps you finish off the set until you can do it yourself without any help. THEN you bump of the weight by 5-10 lbs. i also like to add weight on after every set.
lets take my bench: start off with 135 6 reps, then 155 6 reps, then 175 6 reps, then 195 i can only do a few, but my buddy makes me do ATLEAST one more than my failure point.
last pointer: make sure your bud is paying attention while you are lifting. one time i dropped the weight on my chest while doing bench because my bud was checking someone out. :eek: alas, i didnt bruise. he he
what he said.
ummm, you are not going to put on that much weight in 4 months. people generally quit their routines because they do not see results soon enough. like i said, it took me almost 2 years to put on the mass i did.
your sleep schedule is extremely important. i am 21, so of course i stay out late on the weekends, but during the week it is all business. how old are your eversio11? i can tell you are an intelligent guy, but just somewhat ignorant on this subject presently.(which is why this forum is here. hey, i am ignorant when it comes to mustangs...i just got mine)
in 4 months, hmmmm... i would just try to really cut up, thats if i had to choose. you are NOT going to gain but 10 lbs or so in this period. lets say you do, well then you are going to have to burn 5-6lbs of it off because of the water retention and because you have gained fat as well.
not to insult anyone, but this is a typical question he had initially posted. this is almost a 'get rich quick scheme'. to "Build your body" takes time, and a TON of hardwork. the hardwork is actually not in the training. it is sticking to a diet, and knowing when to eat the specific foods found in your diet. muscle, as stated numerous times, is REbuilt outside of the gym... this is called the anabolic stage. while working out, your body is in a state of catabolism-tearing down muscles because of the strain put on them.
in short (to gain weight): go get a diet and stick to it. eat even when you are not hungry. try to consume 300grams of protein daily! get on these 3 key supplemts-whey protein(soy can suck my ****), glutamine, and creatine. KNOW HOW TO CYCLE CREATINE OR DO NOT TAKE IT.
know your body: sleep when it wants to sleep. try to get more than 6 hours a night. if an exercise hurts, not burns, but hurts you in any way STOP doing that exercise.
routine: get a weight that you can only do 4-8 reps of on the first 3 sets. lets say i do 4 sets of 6 on the bench. i will do 6 the first 3 sets, but on the last one i may only get 3 or 4 reps in. your buddy helps you finish off the set until you can do it yourself without any help. THEN you bump of the weight by 5-10 lbs. i also like to add weight on after every set.
lets take my bench: start off with 135 6 reps, then 155 6 reps, then 175 6 reps, then 195 i can only do a few, but my buddy makes me do ATLEAST one more than my failure point.
last pointer: make sure your bud is paying attention while you are lifting. one time i dropped the weight on my chest while doing bench because my bud was checking someone out. :eek: alas, i didnt bruise. he he
eversio11
06-20-2004, 11:12 PM
Loads of information there, nice pointers.
as for my age, I'm 17. since my original goal was unrealistic, let's say I try to gain only 5 or 10 pounds by October but get really cut up, that's essentially what I'm trying to get here. Is that a more accomplishable goal? Thanks for the tips for weight lifting, sounds good to me.
as for my age, I'm 17. since my original goal was unrealistic, let's say I try to gain only 5 or 10 pounds by October but get really cut up, that's essentially what I'm trying to get here. Is that a more accomplishable goal? Thanks for the tips for weight lifting, sounds good to me.
Afrofent
06-21-2004, 02:30 PM
Well, here is my advice. I am "ripped" you could say. I have a 18 inch biceps and on the leg press I can press 600, I can curl 70, I can bench 275-300, I am healthy, I can do 85-90 sit-ups in a minute, and this is all from working out a few times week for a few hours curling and doing different excersies with your arms, also I do five sets of 100 hundred sit-ups with a 25 pound wieght. Start out small, curling 15-20lbs 50 times a night, then work your way up. Do small things that will over time make you bigger. I started seriously working out at Christmas and here I am now.
CarSuperfreak
06-21-2004, 02:35 PM
and you only started working out 6 months ago?
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Afrofent
06-21-2004, 02:40 PM
No, no, no. I really started working out, by that I mean I started trying to get "buff". I had already been working out. And I am naturally muscular I am 6'8" 280. Just so ya' know.
lamehonda
06-21-2004, 02:40 PM
Goal:
http://www.whatsbetter.com/static/images/1786.jpg
4 months, 3 days
If you work hard you might be able to manage the cig,blood on stomach, and his bad hair.
Good luck
http://www.whatsbetter.com/static/images/1786.jpg
4 months, 3 days
If you work hard you might be able to manage the cig,blood on stomach, and his bad hair.
Good luck
ghetto7o2azn
06-21-2004, 04:38 PM
No, no, no. I really started working out, by that I mean I started trying to get "buff". I had already been working out. And I am naturally muscular I am 6'8" 280. Just so ya' know.
well thats why u can do so much... 6 8??? thats huge... you might be benching 300 but thats only about 107% of your body weight which isnt that much...
well thats why u can do so much... 6 8??? thats huge... you might be benching 300 but thats only about 107% of your body weight which isnt that much...
kittedb18bt
06-21-2004, 09:10 PM
...I can do 85-90 sit-ups in a minute...
i guess you set a new world record there :rolleyes: .
eversio11, if you do an extremely intense, and i do mean extremely intense cardio sessions, i believe you could manage a good cario routine 3x a week at 20 minutes per session.
10lbs in 4 months isn't completely out of the question, but it is a stout goal there. onto another thought; when you begin working out, results come quickly (after a month or two you shall see, NOT after a few weeks).
hmmm, if you see that everyday you eat properly and maintain an immaculate sleep schedule, you may reach 5-10lbs gained. you should loose a few pounds of fat in the process.
you can look at the scale (where you weigh yourself), but i would not obsess over it. what you need to do is measure your biceps, chest, quads, and calves. you can measure your waist also, but this better be going in the other direction. measure them TODAY, and post it here. if you want my help, you will do this.
as far as workout routines go, you should start another thread. title it somewhat "strength/size training" or something similar. i hope to see someone start one later titled "toning/hardening/cutting up training". my tips are mainly on the side of the diet portion because it is atleast 2x as important as the training! i will state what and WHEN to eat these specific types of food.
as i have shown time and time again, i have an overwhelming passion for "fitness and nutrition", and this will continue for the rest of my life.
BTW this is not crap reiterated time and time again. i have had experience with dieting (which i shall get into later), and it really works. people reading this: if you do not know that diet is more important than exercise, please wake up. this is a science-bodybuilding.
we cannot change our genes, but we can sculpt what we have been given.
off to eat some chicken.
i guess you set a new world record there :rolleyes: .
eversio11, if you do an extremely intense, and i do mean extremely intense cardio sessions, i believe you could manage a good cario routine 3x a week at 20 minutes per session.
10lbs in 4 months isn't completely out of the question, but it is a stout goal there. onto another thought; when you begin working out, results come quickly (after a month or two you shall see, NOT after a few weeks).
hmmm, if you see that everyday you eat properly and maintain an immaculate sleep schedule, you may reach 5-10lbs gained. you should loose a few pounds of fat in the process.
you can look at the scale (where you weigh yourself), but i would not obsess over it. what you need to do is measure your biceps, chest, quads, and calves. you can measure your waist also, but this better be going in the other direction. measure them TODAY, and post it here. if you want my help, you will do this.
as far as workout routines go, you should start another thread. title it somewhat "strength/size training" or something similar. i hope to see someone start one later titled "toning/hardening/cutting up training". my tips are mainly on the side of the diet portion because it is atleast 2x as important as the training! i will state what and WHEN to eat these specific types of food.
as i have shown time and time again, i have an overwhelming passion for "fitness and nutrition", and this will continue for the rest of my life.
BTW this is not crap reiterated time and time again. i have had experience with dieting (which i shall get into later), and it really works. people reading this: if you do not know that diet is more important than exercise, please wake up. this is a science-bodybuilding.
we cannot change our genes, but we can sculpt what we have been given.
off to eat some chicken.
Afrofent
06-22-2004, 12:47 AM
well thats why u can do so much... 6 8??? thats huge... you might be benching 300 but thats only about 107% of your body weight which isnt that much...
lol, I know. That is why I don't get why he doesn't believe me. I mainly focus on my ab's, and legs. The most I have ever benched was 375 10 times. But when I work out I do around 300.
lol, I know. That is why I don't get why he doesn't believe me. I mainly focus on my ab's, and legs. The most I have ever benched was 375 10 times. But when I work out I do around 300.
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