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k i got new injectors in, titainium plugs in new wires and i must say it made a huge differance, i did the cone air filter still need to make a cold air intake, took the honey comb thing outa my air intake on the intake manifold

next i was thinking a performance ignition module its only 65 $ canadian and the guy at part source said i will notice a dif because it makes for a longer spark wich in turn burns fuel that could be left over in the cylinders,,,,is this true will it make a noticeable diferance?

also undrive pullys what kind of torque and hp gain will you generally see?

aaron, 93 grand am gt 3300

thanx guys

160 hp stock
cold air intake with high flow filter 10 hp
peformance ignition module 5 hp
headers dual exhaust and remove cat 20 hp
new intake manifold and port engine 20hp
jet chip 15 hp
under drive pullys 5 hp

235 hp....realistic projection?

160 hp stock
cold air intake with high flow filter 10 hp
peformance ignition module 5 hp
headers dual exhaust and remove cat 20 hp
new intake manifold and port engine 20hp
jet chip 15 hp
under drive pullys 5 hp

235 hp....realistic projection?

CAI 5hp
Ignition module maybe 1hp (the stock DIS is a good system)
headers and full exhaust (good luck getting them made) 15 hp, maybe more.
full intake and head port job 10 hp
Jet Chip -5 hp
Underdrive pully- noone makes one, the crank pulley is also a harmonic dampener so even if a UD was available it would be $$$$x2


money spent- way too much.

that really blows... i cant beleive no one is making any after market parts for the 3300, ive heard its just a destroked 3800 perhaps some of the after market off that will work if ther is any for that engine

its destroked and slightly debored.

regarding interchangable parts with the 3800, the series one supercharger will work, but you need to do a little porting to lower compression, plus a full rebuild since the motor probably has a sh1t-load of miles on it. but it can and has been done. The guy who did it blew the motor ina about a month because he didn't rebuild before S/c 'ing it. the Series one SC should bump you to around 190 hp and with a decent filter, catback system and proper tuning you should be able to hit 200 hp. the other big problem is the 3-speed auto, first gear especially is very tall and kills the lowend (I'm sure you've already noticed, the 3300 has more than enough torque that it should be about to roast the tires fairly easily but he tranny gearing kills it) there have been a few people that have tried to swap in a 4t60 4-speed but haven't been about to work out the bugs.

ya ive thought alot about s/c it and alot of other things to do and i seem to hit a brick wall everytime

your so right about the tranny, if they engineered the car right it would be plenty fast of the go, but as you said tranny is not really a option so im looking for crazy torque to make up for it..

ive considered looking into the following

a series 2 3800 s/c engine
a high stall torque converter
drastically smaller tires
seeing if i can change the final drive

im open to spend a good 1000 to 2000 $ on the car but am lost in wich is the best option

once the fooker is movin it runs fast its just gettin it off the line like u said

oh to add another thing, my buddy is a ford mechanic and hes just swaped engines, he went from a 3.0 l to another 3.0 l withe more valves and some other stuff, he went from 145 hp to 200 hp
and i drove the car before and after and it was a big disapointment , my father who is a great mechanic and engineer told me as he was doin it he would be disapointed and he was right, i think the lack of torque increase was most likely the problem

he spent 2000$ for the total upgrade and i dont want to make the same mistake

I just had a transmission replaced in my 3300.. and according to my mechanic (after an attempt with a 4-speed) i 'needed' a 3-speed trans from a 3300 in order to work because the 4-speed wasn't compatable with a 3300.. So i would think, you would then have to use a 4-speed trans with a 3800.

you know i have a 3800 and a tranny sittin in the drive right now, gunna send it to the wreckersits in my old boniville , and lookin at the tranny from the boniville it would never fit with out serious moding , i asume that if the 3300 and the 3800 are the same block i could pop on a 3800 series 2 or even series 3 and it would bolt on, i know i would need the puter and posibly the exhaust but i think if that will work it could be the best option,

the tranny deal finding a 4 spd that will work ,cost and the putting it in seems like a dead end

finding the 3-speed auto for my 3300 took about a month, it was bad. Ended up getting one out of a Buick Century.. and it is great, but i think i've already done some damage to it

i hear ya matt...i have read afew places that the 4 speed sun fire or sun bird tranny will work, but i really dunno im pretty sure that 4 spd in my boniville wont its fookin huge, so like i said in my earlier post if i cant find a tranny then i need torque,
a series 2 3800 s/c engine
a high stall torque converter
drastically smaller tires
seeing if i can change the final drive

these are all i can think of as posibilities

yeah, i would enjoy if i could hook up some sort of ram-air or whatnot system to my 3300. It seems that with the big motor.. and the power that comes with it, it should have a better intake... but i don't know

if you read into ram air its a hoax, cold air works ram air doesnt do shit till ya hit 500 mph, good sale though i bought it till i read the physics on it

haha really? thats good to know then. Since they dont make a CAI for 3300.. i've read numeroud How-To's... so i may just try that

ya the best option i have seen is piping it to the wheel well , i just worry about it suckin up alot of crap in rainy weather, the only othe spot i see is behind the headlight and for my car that would mean finding another place for my battery , and ther is no were i can see for the battery to go :(

yea, i took off thise little plate that covered the back of my driver side headlight, and put the end of my intake hose there.. hoping to get better air, but i don't really think it made much difference.

if your usin the factory set up that goes through the box filter , loose that you would be better off with a cone air filter in the engine bay, rule of thumb anything is better then the factory box, thats if ur usin that still

yeah, i am. I never really payed much attention to my air system until lately. thats why i've been lookin at constructing a form of a CAI... and then pick up a cone filter. Do you have a cone filter attached to the factory hose? or did you buy/make somethin?

as a tem thing i have a 4 inch hose comin outa my intake manifold connected to my cone air filter, i will eventually make a very big box for the filter and run a hose from a good cool air source to the box

ahh alrite. i gotta get goin now, if ya got aim.. we can talk about stuff more in depth sometime, s/n: matto919x

another thing u could try is when u remove the hose connected to yur intake manifold the if you look into the manifold ther is a honey comb type metal grate...rip that fooker out its only to create a super smooth idle for grannys but it cuts down on the air flow, many have done this and found throttle reponds better i did aswell

no aim here just msn .....nite bro

yea, i just read about rippin that out... i might do that. I might as well try it, if it creates a problem, i'll rig it back in there. If i need any other info on that or whatnot, ill mail ya. - later.

if you want to try the 3800 series II SC swap, then you will need custom legnth drive axles new mounts, a computer reprogram and a bunch of other stuff. The webmaster of www.gmperformancetuning.com did it but he relly hasn't released too much info about the actual swap.

don't pull the MAF screen out, while it is a slight restriction, its purpose is to smooth the airflow so the MAF sensor behind it can get an accurate reading. An inaccurate reading will make you run rich/lean and actually hurt performance.

I just had a transmission replaced in my 3300.. and according to my mechanic (after an attempt with a 4-speed) i 'needed' a 3-speed trans from a 3300 in order to work because the 4-speed wasn't compatable with a 3300.. So i would think, you would then have to use a 4-speed trans with a 3800.

Sorry that the mechanic doesnt know the engine to well. If you want a 4 speed with a dencent gear ratio then look at a 4t60 from a 91-92 lumina with a gear ratio 3.33(If you play with the sprokets alittle you can get a 3.73 final drive). The mounts as well as the axles from a 94 GA since they came with a 4spd. You have to wire in the 5 post harness for the lockout to work and the vaccum line for the modulator on the trans, but you wont need any program and or problems. One thing is that you speedo may be off because of the VSS in the tranny, this could be changed by looking in different tire sizes.

Also the 3300 did come with a 4 spd as it was offered in a Olds Cutlass and Buick Century.

Good input Woohan, but you should try to avoid reserecting 8 month-old threads. :)