Edelbrock Turbo
Teg_95
06-14-2004, 06:02 PM
Anybody have any experience with the edelbrock turbo? My friend just ordered one and I'm thinking about getting one for my teg once it comes out. Anybody know when the kit will come out for the teg? Also i read that it has a internal wastegate to lower the boost to 6-7 psi. WIth a interal wastegate can you still increase boost?How?
Beyond Imagination
06-14-2004, 06:18 PM
i don't see anything too spectacular about this kit. all it involves is a
-garrett t28 turbo
-jg performer x intake manifold
-spearco intercooler
-tial blowoff
-jg manifold
you can build an exact same setup from just purchasing these parts so you don't have to wait for they have one for teg. why not just purchase an external wastegate and have more freedom to choose what spring rate.
-garrett t28 turbo
-jg performer x intake manifold
-spearco intercooler
-tial blowoff
-jg manifold
you can build an exact same setup from just purchasing these parts so you don't have to wait for they have one for teg. why not just purchase an external wastegate and have more freedom to choose what spring rate.
Teg_95
06-14-2004, 06:23 PM
i don't see anything too spectacular about this kit. all it involves is a
-garrett t28 turbo
-jg performer x intake manifold
-spearco intercooler
-tial blowoff
-jg manifold
you can build an exact same setup from just purchasing these parts so you don't have to wait for they have one for teg. why not just purchase an external wastegate and have more freedom to choose what spring rate.
my main reason for buying this kit is so I can pass smog. I know I could build my own kit for cheaper, but smog is a b!tch here in so cal. If you could show me another kit thats smog legal besides the edelbrock or greddy kit let me know.
-garrett t28 turbo
-jg performer x intake manifold
-spearco intercooler
-tial blowoff
-jg manifold
you can build an exact same setup from just purchasing these parts so you don't have to wait for they have one for teg. why not just purchase an external wastegate and have more freedom to choose what spring rate.
my main reason for buying this kit is so I can pass smog. I know I could build my own kit for cheaper, but smog is a b!tch here in so cal. If you could show me another kit thats smog legal besides the edelbrock or greddy kit let me know.
Beyond Imagination
06-14-2004, 06:28 PM
if that's the case you could go with that kit. or even a greddy kit. i don't know much about emissions where you are but i'm sure you can build your own turbo that will pass.
Beyond Imagination
06-14-2004, 06:33 PM
and yeah ... the garrett t series turbos are pretty nice :)
Teg_95
06-14-2004, 06:36 PM
Can anybody else answer my questionS?
F23A4Racer750IL
06-14-2004, 07:37 PM
i have no idea when of if its comin out. but i have heard the XS Engineering Kit is a very good kit. kinda pricey though.http://www.xs-engineering.com/
Hatrick101
06-14-2004, 08:00 PM
Turbo-Kits.com Try to find a kit there for your car.
Teg_95
06-14-2004, 09:03 PM
Turbo-Kits.com Try to find a kit there for your car.
Guys I'm not looking for a kit for my car. I'm asking about the edelbrock kit+ the wastegate question. Can anybody answer my questions?
Guys I'm not looking for a kit for my car. I'm asking about the edelbrock kit+ the wastegate question. Can anybody answer my questions?
Beyond Imagination
06-15-2004, 01:05 AM
if you don't want no bs it's best you email edelbrock and ask them for an answer.
98-integra
06-16-2004, 08:13 PM
from what i've seen and read if you change anything on these kits they are no longer legal
Tranzlogic
06-17-2004, 01:36 PM
you need to remember also that a turbo kit with only 6 lbs of boost running to so smog isnt THAT big of an increase..you will notice it of course..but 6lbs isnt gonne let you blow by camaros and 4.6 mustangs unless you have a serious kick ass tune..but in that case you wouldnt be smog either...all am sayin is..be careful how much money you spend on what you really gonan end up with since your so worried about being 100% emmisions...and i dont prefer internal wastegates for the tuning ability..but since your stuck at lower boost for carbs ..your not gonna need a high end upgraded wastegate in my opinion..rather get a low boost carb kit and leave it alone or fuck the carb and build one..choice is yours..any questions just ask the supplier
Teg_95
06-18-2004, 02:58 PM
you need to remember also that a turbo kit with only 6 lbs of boost running to so smog isnt THAT big of an increase..you will notice it of course..but 6lbs isnt gonne let you blow by camaros and 4.6 mustangs unless you have a serious kick ass tune..but in that case you wouldnt be smog either...all am sayin is..be careful how much money you spend on what you really gonan end up with since your so worried about being 100% emmisions...and i dont prefer internal wastegates for the tuning ability..but since your stuck at lower boost for carbs ..your not gonna need a high end upgraded wastegate in my opinion..rather get a low boost carb kit and leave it alone or fuck the carb and build one..choice is yours..any questions just ask the supplier
Can I just get a boost controller and add more psi... and when I get a smog, turn it back down to 6psi to pass smog?
Can I just get a boost controller and add more psi... and when I get a smog, turn it back down to 6psi to pass smog?
CivicEXRider
06-20-2004, 08:28 AM
Yes, you can turn up the boost on the Edelbrock kit with a boost controller. I'm currently running the Edelbrock kit for the D16.
But to up the boost, you need the TurboLink tuning module. After 8.6 psi on the stock kit, you start running on the 14psi fuel/ignition maps. It'll work fine but you'll also notice it running rich as hell in the higher RPM range. You'll actually make more HP at 8psi than you will at 10psi unless you get it tuned, of course.
Here's an example: Running 8 psi is tuned alot better than running 10 psi on the kit. Say at 8psi and 5k rpm the secondary injectors are at 62 percent duty cycle. Now, if you up the psi to 10. At 5krpm the secondaries are opened up to 74 percent on the map table. That's a big fuel increase for just 2psi difference because it's compensating for running it up to 14psi.
These are just from my experience.
If you up the boost on the D16. There's a few things you'll need to be safe. You will need some ARP headstuds and new headgasket. Just a fact, every over stock boosted D16 I've seen has lifted the head causing a blown headgasket. Larger fuel pump, Walbaro 255lph is a good common one. With the larger fuel pump, you may need a way to turn down the fuel pressure or it'll run rich at idle:::adjustable FPR::: not really needed but helps. 2 Step colder spark plugs, seems NGK's at 2bucks a piece work great. Oh and finally, you'll definitley need a new clutch because you'll burn the stock one out in a few hard launches with that kind of WHP.
I've actually went a different way from the kits fuel/ignition management. Bought an AEM EMS 30-1020 and wideband UEGO2 with display, some RC 650 saturated injectors and an AEM 3.5 bar map sensor. I'd only suggest this if going over the 300hp mark on a built motor. The stock rods will probably give out at less than 300hp. Mine did at the track only pushing 260whp :mad: It may hold but your taking a huge risk.
But to up the boost, you need the TurboLink tuning module. After 8.6 psi on the stock kit, you start running on the 14psi fuel/ignition maps. It'll work fine but you'll also notice it running rich as hell in the higher RPM range. You'll actually make more HP at 8psi than you will at 10psi unless you get it tuned, of course.
Here's an example: Running 8 psi is tuned alot better than running 10 psi on the kit. Say at 8psi and 5k rpm the secondary injectors are at 62 percent duty cycle. Now, if you up the psi to 10. At 5krpm the secondaries are opened up to 74 percent on the map table. That's a big fuel increase for just 2psi difference because it's compensating for running it up to 14psi.
These are just from my experience.
If you up the boost on the D16. There's a few things you'll need to be safe. You will need some ARP headstuds and new headgasket. Just a fact, every over stock boosted D16 I've seen has lifted the head causing a blown headgasket. Larger fuel pump, Walbaro 255lph is a good common one. With the larger fuel pump, you may need a way to turn down the fuel pressure or it'll run rich at idle:::adjustable FPR::: not really needed but helps. 2 Step colder spark plugs, seems NGK's at 2bucks a piece work great. Oh and finally, you'll definitley need a new clutch because you'll burn the stock one out in a few hard launches with that kind of WHP.
I've actually went a different way from the kits fuel/ignition management. Bought an AEM EMS 30-1020 and wideband UEGO2 with display, some RC 650 saturated injectors and an AEM 3.5 bar map sensor. I'd only suggest this if going over the 300hp mark on a built motor. The stock rods will probably give out at less than 300hp. Mine did at the track only pushing 260whp :mad: It may hold but your taking a huge risk.
Teg_95
06-21-2004, 03:02 PM
Yes, you can turn up the boost on the Edelbrock kit with a boost controller. I'm currently running the Edelbrock kit for the D16.
But to up the boost, you need the TurboLink tuning module. After 8.6 psi on the stock kit, you start running on the 14psi fuel/ignition maps. It'll work fine but you'll also notice it running rich as hell in the higher RPM range. You'll actually make more HP at 8psi than you will at 10psi unless you get it tuned, of course.
Here's an example: Running 8 psi is tuned alot better than running 10 psi on the kit. Say at 8psi and 5k rpm the secondary injectors are at 62 percent duty cycle. Now, if you up the psi to 10. At 5krpm the secondaries are opened up to 74 percent on the map table. That's a big fuel increase for just 2psi difference because it's compensating for running it up to 14psi.
These are just from my experience.
If you up the boost on the D16. There's a few things you'll need to be safe. You will need some ARP headstuds and new headgasket. Just a fact, every over stock boosted D16 I've seen has lifted the head causing a blown headgasket. Larger fuel pump, Walbaro 255lph is a good common one. With the larger fuel pump, you may need a way to turn down the fuel pressure or it'll run rich at idle:::adjustable FPR::: not really needed but helps. 2 Step colder spark plugs, seems NGK's at 2bucks a piece work great. Oh and finally, you'll definitley need a new clutch because you'll burn the stock one out in a few hard launches with that kind of WHP.
I've actually went a different way from the kits fuel/ignition management. Bought an AEM EMS 30-1020 and wideband UEGO2 with display, some RC 650 saturated injectors and an AEM 3.5 bar map sensor. I'd only suggest this if going over the 300hp mark on a built motor. The stock rods will probably give out at less than 300hp. Mine did at the track only pushing 260whp :mad: It may hold but your taking a huge risk.
Thanks for the response. You really answered a lot of my questions. It's been hard to get a review on this kit since most members here seem to go with custom kits... rev etc.
I've got a few more noob questions for ya... when you increased the boost did you have to change the internal wastegate? Also are you having any troubles passing smog with all the upgrades you've done on the kit?
Well it sounds like you are pretty happy with the kit. I'm most likely going to get this kit for my teg (once it comes out) unless some other competitve smog legal kit comes out. I'm lookin to run at stock boost for a few months and slowly work on upgrades. I'm not in a huge hurry since this is my project car.... I only drive it 1-2 times a week. Actually I take that back. I've been driving it more often since gas prices have sky rockted.
But to up the boost, you need the TurboLink tuning module. After 8.6 psi on the stock kit, you start running on the 14psi fuel/ignition maps. It'll work fine but you'll also notice it running rich as hell in the higher RPM range. You'll actually make more HP at 8psi than you will at 10psi unless you get it tuned, of course.
Here's an example: Running 8 psi is tuned alot better than running 10 psi on the kit. Say at 8psi and 5k rpm the secondary injectors are at 62 percent duty cycle. Now, if you up the psi to 10. At 5krpm the secondaries are opened up to 74 percent on the map table. That's a big fuel increase for just 2psi difference because it's compensating for running it up to 14psi.
These are just from my experience.
If you up the boost on the D16. There's a few things you'll need to be safe. You will need some ARP headstuds and new headgasket. Just a fact, every over stock boosted D16 I've seen has lifted the head causing a blown headgasket. Larger fuel pump, Walbaro 255lph is a good common one. With the larger fuel pump, you may need a way to turn down the fuel pressure or it'll run rich at idle:::adjustable FPR::: not really needed but helps. 2 Step colder spark plugs, seems NGK's at 2bucks a piece work great. Oh and finally, you'll definitley need a new clutch because you'll burn the stock one out in a few hard launches with that kind of WHP.
I've actually went a different way from the kits fuel/ignition management. Bought an AEM EMS 30-1020 and wideband UEGO2 with display, some RC 650 saturated injectors and an AEM 3.5 bar map sensor. I'd only suggest this if going over the 300hp mark on a built motor. The stock rods will probably give out at less than 300hp. Mine did at the track only pushing 260whp :mad: It may hold but your taking a huge risk.
Thanks for the response. You really answered a lot of my questions. It's been hard to get a review on this kit since most members here seem to go with custom kits... rev etc.
I've got a few more noob questions for ya... when you increased the boost did you have to change the internal wastegate? Also are you having any troubles passing smog with all the upgrades you've done on the kit?
Well it sounds like you are pretty happy with the kit. I'm most likely going to get this kit for my teg (once it comes out) unless some other competitve smog legal kit comes out. I'm lookin to run at stock boost for a few months and slowly work on upgrades. I'm not in a huge hurry since this is my project car.... I only drive it 1-2 times a week. Actually I take that back. I've been driving it more often since gas prices have sky rockted.
YellowITR479
06-22-2004, 07:56 AM
Your probably better off doing your bottom end first and driving the car around for a little while then slap whatever kit on that makes you happy and going from there. I dropped my bottom end out twice before I finally got it right
CivicEXRider
06-23-2004, 08:36 AM
I don't have any problems passing smog because where I live there isn't any smog test or inspection stickers :D But, you shouldn't have any problems passing. Just get a new cat and bolt it on when it's time for inspection. Otherwise run a high flow one. If Edelbrock offers the GT28RS turbo for the Teg kit's I'd be all over it. Those turbo's run about 1200 to 1400 just by themselves.
Nope, I didn't change from an internal wastegate. I just use an Apexi AVC-R to control boost from inside the car. The nice thing about the AVC-R is that you can control the amount of boost per gear. First gear I cut it down 50 percent so it's only boosting a max of 7psi if it normal runs 14psi. Great way to do tracking control.
Nope, I didn't change from an internal wastegate. I just use an Apexi AVC-R to control boost from inside the car. The nice thing about the AVC-R is that you can control the amount of boost per gear. First gear I cut it down 50 percent so it's only boosting a max of 7psi if it normal runs 14psi. Great way to do tracking control.
vtec92civic
06-25-2004, 04:27 PM
edelbrock says the kit has not been released yet, and they do not have pricing for it yet as I was searching for prices for some custoemrs that asked about the kits.
I personally don't see what the big deal is about the edelbrock kit accept for it being smog legal, other then that it's just a turbo kit similar to greddy. Ofocurse they both use different parts, but you get my point.
I personally don't see what the big deal is about the edelbrock kit accept for it being smog legal, other then that it's just a turbo kit similar to greddy. Ofocurse they both use different parts, but you get my point.
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