Misconception about the S2000

I think a lot of people do not understand S2000.
Many believe it's a super car with 2 liters and 240hp- WOW!
No, S2000 is not a supercar, it is built for pleasure and just a lil performance, but the main idea of it is to serve like the Mazda Miata, which has been the #1 selling sports car for I don't know how long...
I think Honda intended it to be some College Professor's Sunday ride around the city, on a shining day.
You can make any car "super", Civic for example, Honda did not intend it to be what it is right now. A lot of Civics are heavily modified and some even drag race. It was supposed to be for some College student who can't afford an expensive car- Civic is cheap and economic.
S2000 should stay your 'Sunday ride', just like the Miata.
But don't get me wrong, S2000 and the Miata is not apple to apple. S2000 has a more sports twist to it. :D
But that's also why it costs more.

Well said, autofan. I have tossing this idea around a lot lately, how just about any car can be turned into a super car, and therefore who is to say that Hondas are better than Toyotas, or Chevrolets for that matter? I think it comes down to inital quality and personal preference. But I am digressing for the point of your post.

I would like to point out that a Miata will get its doors blown off by an S2000, but that on the other hand a Miata has much more options for upgrading (a good car for turbocharging, supercharging {check out Jackson Racing's vast pallet of options for the Mazda Miata - it is staggering}, other upgrades, and also engine swapping), after which time it may be able to then give the S2000 an equally brutal beating.

Honda is clearly making moves to discourage tuners from messing with their cars, as the S2000 comes with forged pistons stock, and less capability for handling boost and heaightened horsepower capabilities than other Honda engines. And the new Civic's design takes a large step away from tunability, towards practicality. For example repositioning the catalytic converter close to the exhaust manifold for easier cold weather starts and warm-ups at the expense of exhaust tuning to decreased back pressure and heightened horsepower outputs. They are going to turn another generation of enthusiast cars into "grand daddies," like the classic American muscle cars of the 60's and 70's.

I think you guys are missing the point behind the S2000. Honda is not trying to cut the aftermarket out. The point behind the S2000 is to help Honda's Image. Honda is not making any money on the S2000. The development costs to create the S2000 and the cost to manufacture a car which has many unique parts can NOT be recouped by charging $33,000 each. It is a focused car: it seeks to attract performance minded buyers (no automatics thankfully!) away from more expensive german autos, like the Z3 and the Boxster. As an overall sports car, the S2000 destroys the Z3 coupe (even the M3 coupe), and the Boxster. Sure Honda cut some ends with the S2000, like the stereo and other "luxury items", but Honda still can not be making enough profit on the S2000 to justify its existence. The point with such cars as the S2000 is to further Honda's image. THe same thing is true with the Civic Si. Its not to cut out the aftermarket. In fact the Si has actually fueled the aftermarket. With the Si and the S2000 Honda has shown that it embraces its cars performance image. By doing so, just makes the guys in the civic ex's want to make there cars at least as fast as the Si's.

I'll give you a lot of credit for that post. Well written and thought out. I agree 100%. However, note that my criticisms of the Civic apply to the lower trim lines. The yet to be released Civic Si, with the all new K series engines, will sport a new challenge for the aftermarket companies in making components to fit the "correct rotation" engines. But, like the 1999 and 2000 Civic Si, I'm am sure it will be a favorite of the tuners.

Most people look at the S2000 and say "It's a four cylinder," "That's not a good quarter mile time for a sports car." It is a four cylinder. You don't have to have 6,8,10,12 cylinders to be a kick ass sports car. A sports car is about handling and balance. As far as quarter mile times..... if Honda wanted to build a straight liner..... they would. Honda has proven time and time again that they are all about handling. I don't care if it is a Civic VX or an NSX, it can fuckin' handle. S2000 is the king of the roadsters and will continue to be for quite some time.:angryfire

S2000 is not your regular sunday track car. It has more features that proved this theory wrong. For one Honda would have drop the powered top. The single disk cd player would go as well. The seats would not be leather covered recaro. Spare tire would be taken away. A/c and power window gone as well. Lighter weight wheels etc. All these weight reduction would see the car dropped 100-200 lbs. This is what I called a true sunday car.

This car is very much a supercar. There is a little formula going on
in this car. The weight, the 50/50 distibution, and the way the car is geared. Two days ago I blasted a mustang cobra. I blast trans-ams and z-28s all the time. This is not even close to a miata. It is not for the weekend,blue-hair joy rider. This an all out monster of a car. And until you own one you will never know the excitement of flying down the interstate with your rpms at about 8000 in sixth and seeing the number
150mph and knowing you have a 1000 more to go. YES IT IS A SUPER CAR!
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To me, the S2000 is:
1) A fine daily driver. Just dont expect ANY torque. So it isnt good if you really like to point and squirt at low RPM's in city driving.
2) A GREAT race car. 50/50 weight, 9000rpms, so light and neutral, just great. Keep the revs up, and it is super.
3) A great bargain.

I'm going to go get someone who owns one:)

First off I want to inform all of you that I'm in near tears that there are so much S2000 Lovers like me. I, for one, am VERY enthuistic and EXTREMELY loyal individual to hondas. And yes I agree with the comments posted above...well..most of em anyways. If theres one thing I, sort of, disagree with...is that I want to make a point that Honda actually LOSES money when producing these cars. True, S2000 is a showcase of the "Racing Spirt" of Honda's F1 formula racing monsters. S2000z past grassroots from the early (some 30years ago) from S600. With first Hondaz DOHC engine 600cc with (and I kid you not) ability of 11,000RPM and producing around 83hp (AMAZING AT THE TIME...about 1964) Hondaz made the S2000. S2000 are molded, put together, and completely BY HAND at the factory in Japan(I forget the detailed location) they use to produce the NSX. S2000 was originally made to celebrate the birthday of Honda. With F20C motor with 2000cc coupled with 6-speed tranny gear box, the S2000 is able to reach 9,000RPM and launch from 0-60 in 5.4sec. and 1/4 mile in 14.4sec. But POWER wasn't all Honda had in mind...and I regret to inform you that S2000 are a little low on end-torque. One of the beauty of Honda was (and still is) that their handling is EXCEPTIONAL; one of a kind. With front and rear strut bars, near perfect 50/50 weight distribution, and electric (opposed to hydrolic) power steering, the driver is at easy with complete control of the road. The thing that amazes me, is the engine layout of the car. The F20C motor is centerized and located far back into the engine bay (smart...very smart). And with a long hood, you get better tracktion and handling...not to mention the space you have to modify. My S2000 is stock for now but with S2000z aluminum block and the forged pistons, I'd say I'll be placing a vortech Supercharger(MAYBE..I'm also SERIOUSLY considering a TURBOCHARGER) with relative ease. I've also heard that S2000 were supposed to only come out on the year 2000 and stop. But due to over popular demands (not a surprise at all) they continued the production of the S2000. There is also a rumor that after 2002, the S2000 production will stop completely. I don't know if I can believe that. Jeez...I've been typing too long....lol

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a super car? no way. the closest thing to a supercar in america is the viper. yet that car needs to have its suspention worked on.

The s2000 is not a supercar. However, don't compare it with a stock civic or a mod civic. they drive, ride, feel, turn, sounds, just about everything is completely different. For the $, comparing with other roadsters it is a great bargin.

as for your comment on "You can make any car "super". Ture to that, with enough mods you can make anything go fast.

The s2000 has great performence out of the box. Is there something wrong with that?

Originally posted by autofan
I think a lot of people do not understand S2000.
Many believe it's a super car with 2 liters and 240hp- WOW!
No, S2000 is not a supercar, it is built for pleasure and just a lil performance, but the main idea of it is to serve like the Mazda Miata, which has been the #1 selling sports car for I don't know how long...
I think Honda intended it to be some College Professor's Sunday ride around the city, on a shining day.
You can make any car "super", Civic for example, Honda did not intend it to be what it is right now. A lot of Civics are heavily modified and some even drag race. It was supposed to be for some College student who can't afford an expensive car- Civic is cheap and economic.
S2000 should stay your 'Sunday ride', just like the Miata.
But don't get me wrong, S2000 and the Miata is not apple to apple. S2000 has a more sports twist to it. :D
But that's also why it costs more.

i think you have a very strange misconception of what a SUPERCAR is. the McLaren F1 is a supercar. the Porsche 911 GT2 is a supercar.

like others have said above, the S is definately not built for just a "lil" performance. with a 50/50 weight distribution, 11:1 compression ratio, specific power output of 120hp, FRM cylinder liners, six-speed close ratio transmission, torsen LSD, rear tires that are equivalent to 255/50, a suspension that carves mountain roads like you may never know, and so much more, i don't see how you can just classify this car as another Miata.

Miata is a great car, but S2000 is a class or two above.

I would say the newer Viper GTS is definetly a supercar. Its curvaciously* exotic body, and acceleration, speed, and handling too match just about anything.
0-60 ---- 3.9-4.2sec
1/4 ----- 12.0-12.2@115mph+
slalom--- 72mph
lateral g-- 1.01

Now its (used to be) non-abs braking left something to be desired. Also redlining at 5000rpm, I assume thats a result from 8.0L of displacement and not forged internals. The GT2 race GTSR always came in first and second, bettering Porsche and BMW.
Peace

many old schoolers like the feel of a non ABS car, and the Viper DOES NOT need more suspension work for the average purchaser.

if honda put a 5L engine in the s2k, like most american sports cars, would you change your mind about it?
i think a 600hp s2k would blow the doors off of everything and change all of ur minds about the s2k. Just because honda does not need to plant a massive engine in its roadsters like the viper, does not mean that honda is not make better engines. The fact that dodge only gets 450hp from an 8L engine is not something that viper owners should be proud about. Why do all american cars have huge displacement engines and not equally huge HP levels? All honda needs to do is market a 3.5 litre engine and wave goodbye to the american sportscar market.



:flipa: american sportscars :flipa:

p.s. EVERYONE READ Eskamoe'S POST CLOSELY AND STOP TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN P.O.S. IN THE HONDA POST.

American cars are nasty. They have horrid interiors, overweight, most are ugly, and almost all are low technology. It seems US automakers are quite greedy as american cars seem so cheap to produce.

along with the the 450hp, the viper also comes with a load of torque. The viper is also restricted because most people cant handle 450hp, much less more than 450 hp. Dont get me wrong though, i think the s2000 is a bad assed car, but i also like american cars also.

can someone give me some acceleration stats of an s2000 please? and also some sloloam and skidpad figures would be nice.

My first impressions of the S2000 came from posts on the S2Ki.com board. They talk about the car as if it was Jesus coming to Earth to save us all. That is why I thought it was a "supercar" and why I was rather disappointed after test-driving one.

The best recorded run of a stock S2000 is 13.66 in the 1/4 mile. There are a handful more getting 13.7-13.8. And the average drivers are getting 13.9-14.3.

Originally posted by DMC12
My first impressions of the S2000 came from posts on the S2Ki.com board. They talk about the car as if it was Jesus coming to Earth to save us all. That is why I thought it was a "supercar" and why I was rather disappointed after test-driving one.

<sarcasm>No way. Are you serious man? I mean, they actually TALK about the S2000 ON S2ki.com? No way. You mean, they even talk about the things they LIKE about it? And how much they like it? Holy crap man. I mean, geez. I've never seen a car site where they actually TALK about the car they own and how much they like it!</sarcasm>

hey guys i'm probably the newer of the owners..
i got my s2k on april 23rd of this year...
anyway.. first i would like to ask that perhaps we stop bashind american cars.. i own nothing but hondas and i will always own hondas but just cause you don't like american cars doesn't make them bad...
ford, gmc, dodge... they all make amazing vehicles...
i'd love to see someone tow a boat with a honda.. :)
anyway .. it bothers me a bit where people seem to complain about the s2k's low end tq. i agree it may... but don't all hondas have low tq. its a thing.. honda likes hp, and doesn't like tq. simple as that ...
but beside all that.. how can you define a supercar.. ??
is a super car anything over 500hp? or what?
you bring up a good point, and it has been brought up many times before.. the s2k is a 2.0l 4 cyl....
true to honda form they squeezed everything they could out of it....
where if you were to make a scale of an 8cyl with the hp per liter in an s2k.. well then we're talking around 600hp, and of course honda... around 420 tq??? who knows it'll never happen so let's just stick to the car at hand.. the s2k is an amazing vehicle for a million reasons.. first off i like they way they look.. they are gorgeous.. second.. the convertable.. bout time honda made a good one.. i live in san diego.. it's nice here i wanna put the top down.... so let's talk about the top.. first of all it's electric...auto top is sweet takes like 4 second to flip open and closed.. .. now let's talk rear window.. as the owners of porsche and bmw know already .. their cars come with a plactic rear windwow, and they have to replace it and fix it and de-scratch it.. and the crease mark doesn't come out.. now as you s2k owners know.. the first years they have a plastic one.. i am lucky enough to own a 2002. where we have a glass rear window w/ defroster.. your not gonna find that on a z3...
now for you s2k owners.. let's talk trunk, i think it's quite a big trunk for it's size.. they also made the indent in the trunk to fit carryon size luggage.. a great idea.. now you should also know that under that is the jack and tools.. well take those out and the styro holder.. wrap the tools in cloth and you can slide them into the spare tire.. leaving you with more room .. . now besides all that i would have liked a better stereo, but i got the car for the car not for the stereo... the center console has a nice flip open cup holder and a nice leather patch pad.. the space between the seats had multiple storage spaces.. i love the electronic dash... the steering wheel, the seats and the shifter.. leather wrapped for 2002 btw........i am also the world's biggest fan of HID lights.. which are s2k bound.. i love them .. then there's the control panel where everything is a finger's reach away .. there are so many things packed into that little car.. i don't care what anyone says.. it's the best space efficient car ever.. anyone who owns one knows what i mean..
add to all that crap a 240hp 2.0l 4 cyl. which isn't half bad on gas..
the compression ratio.. the weight ratio.. the suspension... there isn't a single thing i don't like about this car.. this car wasn't made for image or for a super car or to prove something.. honda is, has been , and always will be about making the best cars for whatever the consumer wants..
as it was said before if they were gonna make a supercar they would have dropped an 8 cyl in it and kicked some ass....if they wanted to drag it they would have taken the weight out.. well if you ask me .. this is simply another car from honda.. they have always made amazing cars to me.. like 70 mpg from the insight.. this time they went for overall performance.. the s2k isn't the fastest car i've ever driven or the most luxurious... but i think it's bare none the best overall car to date.. with it's technology and engine.. and suspension and all the little tricks and toys that come with it.. the s2k is the car of the century...
and there will be many companies who follow it and copy it and tune their own version just like vtec.. but in the end this is a honda original..
and as far as i'm concered there is nothing better than a stock honda original....:)

very well said THE4TH, but several forms of variable valve timing and such already exists, and in my opinion i dont think vtec is the best variable timing system. also, is honda the first to come up with this type of stuff?

they were the first to offer it in production...
they were also the first to have a hybrid on the market..
honda has a lot of little firsts.. i don't speak of vtec as it's the best.. i don't know.. there are so many now..
but i guess all i'm saying is how many vvti celicas were there in the 90's ..?

Who said "S2000 will thrash a BMW Z3 or Porsche Boxster S"?

Not quite, it depends on the course and what type of driving you are doing. The S2000 will hold it's own, sure, but after driving all 3 cars in the same day the S2000 won't EASILY beat either the Porsche or BMW.

The Boxster S is very similar to the S2000...likes to be driven hard. The S2000 will keep up in most cases, but there are a lot of spots on the power band where the Boxster S just seems to have more to offer. Highway passing at lower speeds for one. IMO, The S2000 will have to work to keep up in normal street/highway traffic.

As for the Z3... the M-Roadster (Z3++) stomps all over the S2000. More power all over the band. The M is fast off the line, can pass anything at any speed, and hauls along at 145+ without thinking about it. Check the 2002 M-Roadster specs... 345HP... same weight as the 3.0 Z3.... = damn fast racing machine (ok, maybe not racing, but it feels like it).

All that said, I had an S2000 on order. Who can beat $30k for a performance car? It may not be the fastest, but it's very close and is only 1/2 the price of the Bimmer or Boxster. That makes it a great deal, IMO. Of course the local Honda dealer was trying to rape me for $2500 OVER MSRP just because they could get an S2000 this month.

So my $$ is back with BMW. I paid less than MSRP for the M Roadster and have a deposit on the Z4 (slower but more space, good for long road trips). If the local Honda dealer wasn't so greedy I'd probably have the S2000 in my garage right now.

Originally posted by fatninja19
Can someone give me some acceleration stats of an s2000 please? and also some sloloam and skidpad figures would be nice.

From 'Road Test Results' in the back of the August 2002 Motor Trend:

Honda S2000 - tested 2/00 (2000 model)
Price as tested: 32,415
Engine: 2.0 I-4
Driveline: 6M/RWD
Max Power(HP): 240
0-60 (sec): 5.2
1/4 Mile (sec/mph): 13.8/100.5
Braking (60-0): 113 ft.
600 ft Slalom(mph): 70.1

Since magazine test vary (different drivers, different test surfaces), here's a few numbers I pulled as reference points.

The best braking car (60-0) was the Porsche GT2 at 107 ft.

The only cars listed with slaloms over 70 mph: NSX (70.5), Z06(70.3), Viper ACR(70.8), Esprit V-8 Turbo (70.0), Lancer Evo VII (70.9), Saleen S281 & S351, Shelby Cobra S/C (71.8)

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From Autoweek March 20, 2000
Sure, but can it corner like a racer? You betcha. The S2000 outran the Boxster on our skidpad, posting a 0.92 g rating, and made short work of our tight, 490-foot seven-cone slalom, weaving through at 47.1 mph, third-fastest on our all-time list behind only the Boxster (48.4) and Ferrari F355 (47.2), and ahead of the M Coupe at 47 flat.

Note: Autoweek uses a 200 ft. skidpad
Autoweek also states a best skidpad reading of 0.96g was tested by Motor Trend (info not available at MT website)
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I'd say that looks like pretty good company. Which is precisely why I placed my deposit last week - I can hardly wait till it comes in.

All that said, I had an S2000 on order. Who can beat $30k for a performance car? It may not be the fastest, but it's very close and is only 1/2 the price of the Bimmer or Boxster

and there is the reason that an s2k will walk all over them .. cause you can get a z3 for under 30k, but the little z3 sux.... just does... the m roadster costs way too much, and that is why the s2k is such an amazing car, the price of a car is jut as important as hp or tq....
the fact that the s2k is a 30k car, and can keep up with or beat cars in the 40k's range makes it even better.. it's not the name on the back, or what's under the hood it's the whole package that is the car...

The NSX came out in '91, right? It was the first H car to have a VTEC like system, as stated in a former post. But in fact, the 300ZX TT had a variable valve timing system, and it appeared in '90. So that would make it the first production car to have that type of system.

Originally posted by 1320B4U
The NSX came out in '91, right? It was the first H car to have a VTEC like system, as stated in a former post. But in fact, the 300ZX TT had a variable valve timing system, and it appeared in '90. So that would make it the first production car to have that type of system.


No.
The System in the Nissans, which has also used been used Toyota since 1990 only alters the cam timeing. THATS IT.
VTEC Alters both the Cam timeing, and the lift and Duration.
iVTEC as used in all the new Honda's offers continously variable cam timeing, as well as two lift and duration profiles for high and low rpm.
This is what gives Honda engines a VERY flat torque curve, while retianing lots of hp at high rpm.
It was first used in Bikes in the mid 80s, and was then used in the B16a in the XSi and RSi integra, and the SiR Civic and CRX, all of which were released to the Japanese Market in September of 1989, for the 1990 model year. One year before the NSX.

Thanks for the info, though I already understood how VTEC works. Good correction. I have to compliment, your the first person on AF to make me feel, how do I put it, less informed/knowledgeable. And no less your a Civic owner-no offense, but most Civic owners, correction most(not all) USA Civic owners do not know much. Did you know we(USA) didn't get DOHC VTEC until '92 for the tegs, and '99 for the civs-unless you count the rare B16 Del Sol circa 94ish.

Originally posted by 1320B4U
Did you know we(USA) didn't get DOHC VTEC until '92 for the tegs, and '99 for the civs-unless you count the rare B16 Del Sol circa 94ish.

I knew that. ;)

And dont feel in anyway stupid.
Im not your normal Civic owner and its not by any means your normal Civic (see the link in my sig). :D

Originally posted by Moppie
It was first used in Bikes in the mid 80s, and was then used in the B16a in the XSi and RSi integra, and the SiR Civic and CRX, all of which were released to the Japanese Market in September of 1989, for the 1990 model year. One year before the NSX. Really? I've always heard the NSX was the VTEC intro. Was it called "VTEC" in the Civics and Integras that early? Or maybe was the NSX prototype around then? Hmmm.... :confused:

<edit>OK, I found it:
From a 1990 article http://nsx.vtec.net/rt890.html
"There's no magic to making this kind of power; it's all been done before--well, at lest by Honda. The valvetrain employs Honda's VTEC system (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control System), which was first used on the firm's motorcycle engines in 1983 and more recently in home-market versions of the CRX and Integra. "

I never knew. :)
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Originally posted by 1320B4U
Did you know we(USA) didn't get DOHC VTEC until '92 for the tegs, and '99 for the civs-unless you count the rare B16 Del Sol circa 94ish. Well, then doesn't that make the NSX first in the U.S. market (released here in 1991) with DOHC VTEC? ;)

I was stating for the Teg and Civic. Cars that the general public can afford.

a super car? no way. the closest thing to a supercar in america is the viper. yet that car needs to have its suspention worked on.


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How could you call the Viper the closest thing to an American Super Car? Have you completely forgoten the Corvette Zo6? This is a Super Car in every right. For $50,000 it will meet or beat nearly anything out there. The Vipers(80,000) and 911 Turbos(140,000) certainly are no where near being able to walk away from it. Even the Brand new Lambos(250,000) are rated at the same 0-60 time. Not to mention the full G it will pull on the skid pad. The Corvette is the ultimate american super car.

Besides why did you even bring up american super cars when we were talking about the Jap S2000?

Its still a nice car!!

don't get me wrong. I love the Vipers, they are beautiful cars. I just can't have someone bring up american cars and ignore the Corvette. It just that damn good.

i have to agree that the z06 is one of the finest sports cars of all time..

sure it's good punch for the price, but it doesn't have the exotic quality...whenever i see a corvette, i don't say "ooooooooohh". i say "oh it's one of THOSE again..."

i didn't say it was exotic or rare.. i would take an nsx over a zo6 anyday .. but even though i am loyal to honda.. i still have to admit that the zo6 just kicks a lot of ass.. i'm just trying to be fair instead of sayin they blow..

Originally posted by lancec
Who said "S2000 will thrash a BMW Z3 or Porsche Boxster S"?

Not quite, it depends on the course and what type of driving you are doing. The S2000 will hold it's own, sure, but after driving all 3 cars in the same day the S2000 won't EASILY beat either the Porsche or BMW.

The Boxster S is very similar to the S2000...likes to be driven hard. The S2000 will keep up in most cases, but there are a lot of spots on the power band where the Boxster S just seems to have more to offer. Highway passing at lower speeds for one. IMO, The S2000 will have to work to keep up in normal street/highway traffic.

As for the Z3... the M-Roadster (Z3++) stomps all over the S2000. More power all over the band. The M is fast off the line, can pass anything at any speed, and hauls along at 145+ without thinking about it. Check the 2002 M-Roadster specs... 345HP... same weight as the 3.0 Z3.... = damn fast racing machine (ok, maybe not racing, but it feels like it).

All that said, I had an S2000 on order. Who can beat $30k for a performance car? It may not be the fastest, but it's very close and is only 1/2 the price of the Bimmer or Boxster. That makes it a great deal, IMO. Of course the local Honda dealer was trying to rape me for $2500 OVER MSRP just because they could get an S2000 this month.

So my $$ is back with BMW. I paid less than MSRP for the M Roadster and have a deposit on the Z4 (slower but more space, good for long road trips). If the local Honda dealer wasn't so greedy I'd probably have the S2000 in my garage right now.

well just check the #, the S did pretty good against american irons

http://www.speedventures.net/event_results_db.asp?event=12-13-2002+-+Streets+of+Willow+Springs&results=OA&s=lt

http://www.speedventures.net/event_results_db.asp?event=11/15/2002-Buttonwillow&results=OA&s=lt

Another point of misinformation, er, the automotivearticles said about the S2000 "puts out 120 hp per litre, more than any production car on the planet" or something to that effect.

Wrong.

That title belongs to the 93+ RX-7, 196hp per litre :)

(sorry, im just defensive of my car):)

Originally posted by Steel
Another point of misinformation, er, the automotivearticles said about the S2000 "puts out 120 hp per litre, more than any production car on the planet" or something to that effect.

Wrong.

That title belongs to the 93+ RX-7, 196hp per litre :)

(sorry, im just defensive of my car):) To pick nits, the phrase that gets thrown around is "most hp/L for any naturally aspirated production car engine," so the FD is out, 'cuz it's turbo. But Mazdaheads still come out on top, because the '90 and '91 FC non-turbo RX-7s had 160hp out of a 1.3L engine... squeaking past the S2000 with 123.1 hp/L.

;)

Well, come summer, the RX8 will put out 190hp/L N/A. Yay for mazda!!

But anyway, i still want to drive an S2k, just cause i wanna feel how peaky that engine is. Even peaker than a rotary it seems! S2k starts putting down real rubber at 65, and it goes to pretty much 85 right? I know the 7 starts building boost at around 3500, has full boost by 45-50 i belive and keeps it through redline. And that's pretty peaky. Hmm, maybe i should check out the honda dealership and see if i can snag a test drive.

Having driven both my brothers Rx7 and a friends S2000 i would deff say you need to take the S2000 for a ride. While a turbo gives you that kick at 3500-4000 there is just somethin about takin an engine up to 9000. Common sense tells you to shift it so much sooner but it just keeps goin up.
To all of you out there that say the s2000 isnt a supercar your right but who cares. The car is the most fun you can have for under $40,000. Truly a drivers car that gives you all the thrills you need. Im glad honda stayed with what they know and put a 4 cylinder in the 2000. With a car that handles and gives thrills like this who cares that it isnt the fastest straight line car. They easliy could have put a 6 or 8 cylinder in there but then you have a front heavy car that cant handle. Honda gave us all a win win with this car.......i just hope the rumors of 2003 being the end arnt true.

Ryan

hehe, i think i'll just wait for the 8, and then rev THAT to 10k. JEEZum! 10,000 rpms. That's So cool. And its quite impressive for Honda to make a Pist-on engine that goes to 9k... normally.

Originally posted by Steel
hehe, i think i'll just wait for the 8, and then rev THAT to 10k. JEEZum! 10,000 rpms. That's So cool. And its quite impressive for Honda to make a Pist-on engine that goes to 9k... normally.

Yeah, but the 10K RPM Mazda is a Rotary, which means it experiences essentially no acceleration and deceleration (the piston stops and starts very quickly at the bottom and top of the stroke). And 9K normally, we, turbos and nitrous, etc, dont really increase your RPM's, just power produced.

The s2000 is basically the best of the best. I don't know exact numbers but doesn't it have the most hp per liter like over 100? Its nothing more than hondas perfection. Its perfect. its fast. and it handles real well. its an expirience.........Its a style..

i found this on the mazda site "Power from a new RENESIS rotary engine with a targeted 250hp" the last engine was a 1.3 liter and i think i remember hearing that this one was too..... so thats 192.30 Hp per litter natural aspirated.....mazda is promising a turbo charger for the car as an option a year after the first one is on sale.....so that should at about 100 hp so thats 269 hp per liter put of corse thats with a turbo.....
ryan

I am glad that you stated that the RX-8's engine is a rotary engine; rotaries have always put out more power per displacement. Of course, measuring displacement for rotaries is almost black magic, as they are so different from normal piston engines.

Originally posted by Chris
I am glad that you stated that the RX-8's engine is a rotary engine; rotaries have always put out more power per displacement. Of course, measuring displacement for rotaries is almost black magic, as they are so different from normal piston engines.

But then again, they also have the gas (and oil) consumption to balance out that high dispacement power. I'll be lucky if i get 13 MPG highway with my (hopefully soon to come!) FD. Prolly one of the big things of piston engines - their efficiency. Damn your effeciency, pist-ons!;)

Wow.. I never knew rotaries didn't get good mileage! And man! I thought I had bad gas mileage..

yeah, rotaries dont get great mileage, but they have helped to fix that by relocating the exhaust ports on the RX-8, so mileage was improved by about 30%

uhmm yeah sunday car...i guess you havent driven one...
my cousin has a S2000 where the only mods are k/n filter and a cat back exhaust both mods combined well under a grand....lets just say this car owns....when you can drop the clutch at 6500rpm you will own most cars...that is if you know how to drive...this car in no way will compare to a miata...of course there are faster...like and M roadster or SLK 32 AMG but for 33 grand...no contest...anyways S2000 type R is being released to compete against those this year in japan...350hp inline 6 with 9000rpm redline and carbon fiber body panels....

Porsche Boxter Type S 250hp
E36 M3's with mods
E46 M3's 333hp ill admit, barely
S4's with chips and cat back apx. 320hp
02 Trans Am WS6 325hp
MR2 Turbos
Multiple Mustang GT's and Cobras
3000GT VR4
Eclipse GSX with stage 4 turbo and launch software\


i wonder who will make the list by the end of the year when he has the supercharger installed
:D

savagearmo: I'm somewhat skeptical of the list of cars you had in your post(assuming those cars you listed were all kills by your cousin's s2k with only air filter and cat back).

e46 m3's do low 13's
S4 with 320hp lost to the s2k???
02 Trans Am WS6 should be doing AT LEAST 13 flats..
GSX with stage 4 turbo.. how much hp does that yield?? and launch software? what the hell is launch software? Pardon me if I'm not that high tech...


The other cars you listed are pretty believable I guess... Well maybe not the Cobra... Either these cars your cousin raced weren't racing, have shitty as hell drivers, or they don't hook up at all on the launch...

THAT or your cousin can fly to 13 flats with a nearly stock S2k.

Originally posted by savagearmo
uhmm yeah sunday car...i guess you havent driven one...
my cousin has a S2000 where the only mods are k/n filter and a cat back exhaust both mods combined well under a grand....lets just say this car owns....when you can drop the clutch at 6500rpm you will own most cars...that is if you know how to drive...this car in no way will compare to a miata...of course there are faster...like and M roadster or SLK 32 AMG but for 33 grand...no contest...anyways S2000 type R is being released to compete against those this year in japan...350hp inline 6 with 9000rpm redline and carbon fiber body panels....

Porsche Boxter Type S 250hp
E36 M3's with mods
E46 M3's 333hp ill admit, barely
S4's with chips and cat back apx. 320hp
02 Trans Am WS6 325hp
MR2 Turbos
Multiple Mustang GT's and Cobras
3000GT VR4
Eclipse GSX with stage 4 turbo and launch software\


i wonder who will make the list by the end of the year when he has the supercharger installed
:D


I am going to say it again the S2000 R is not real and they are not going to be released infact Honda has not and will not be making an S2000 R

Originally posted by mugenrsx
The s2000 is basically the best of the best. I don't know exact numbers but doesn't it have the most hp per liter like over 100? Its nothing more than hondas perfection. Its perfect. its fast. and it handles real well. its an expirience.........Its a style..

yes.. the s2k has 120hp per L, which is the highest specific output of any production car on the planet..
a few ferraris, lambos and even some other hondas make the over 100/ l list.. like the integra type r , civic type r, civic si which is 100 / l exactly..

Originally posted by THE4TH


yes.. the s2k has 120hp per L, which is the highest specific output of any production car on the planet..
a few ferraris, lambos and even some other hondas make the over 100/ l list.. like the integra type r , civic type r, civic si which is 100 / l exactly..

Don't forget BMWs Straight-6 M!
yum!

:D

1 . s2k 120hp perliter
2. 360 modena 110hp
3. ITR 108hp
4. E46 M3 104hp
5. ?
i think....not for shore

The S2000 is a great car, i just think that Honda should make them 4 seaters. I know that high technology calls for a high price, but if im going to be spending that much money on a 4cylinder two seat convertable, id rather have it say Porshe, or Merceides on the front, instead of Honda. I love the car, but just my take.

Originally posted by huy tran
1 . s2k 120hp perliter
2. 360 modena 110hp
3. ITR 108hp
4. E46 M3 104hp
5. ?
i think....not for shore

Ferrari F50? Enzo?
hehe

Originally posted by pontiactrac
The S2000 is a great car, i just think that Honda should make them 4 seaters. I know that high technology calls for a high price, but if im going to be spending that much money on a 4cylinder two seat convertable, id rather have it say Porshe, or Merceides on the front, instead of Honda. I love the car, but just my take.

S2000 a four seater???!!!:confused:
I think not...:D

For the price of a S2000, lets see; a Boxster or SLK?