M3 vs testarossa

hi everyone, this is my first thread...

well anyway, i was with my dad in the M3,and we were driving down this straight dual carriageway near our house in the south of the UK.
i was talking to him about the exhaust upgrade he has and whether it actually makes any tangible performance difference, when i hear a faint high pitched motor noise.

it could only be a ferrari, with that mechanical exhaust note; it was a 512 testarossa driven by a couple of young guys (how lucky were they??). anyway, they pulled alongside our car, and audibly dropped a gear, so my dad (bless him, never thought he' take a challenge!) paddle shifted into third, and both cars hit it at the same time.

well the result was a convincing win for the M3! we stopped when we could see cars in the distance, my dad being one of the least reckless people i know.. unfortunately the ferrari turned off soon after, so i couldnt get another look at it :(

anyway, if this isnt interesting i apologise, but it was exciting for me at the time! and nice to see two fast cars racing rather than the vauxhall corsa's with huge exhausts i see all too frequently..

sounds like a blast buddy! nice racing to your dad. you have my dream car :-) cya.

is the exhaust your dads only mod?

yes, it is supposed to give an increase of 10-15 bhp..

any other mods invalidate the Beemers warranty, an hes not keen to do that..sensible i guess..

so your dad has about 350hp at 3400lbs and he beat a 512 tr with 430hp at 3200lbs with a top speed of 195mph

i'm not the one to usually call bs but that just doesn't sound right. i think maybe your dad hit it a lot earlier than the tr. cause statistically that just doesn't sound right, at all.

Hmmm..Bimmer with exhaust beats out Testarosa?

:screwy:

Highly unlikely...unless the goon didn't know how to drive, but even so, the Ferrari has more power and weighs less.

Comments from others???

:bs: gotta pull that out....

The test was just messing around then, not really gunning it. It might have been a rental?

:bs: gotta pull that out....

The test was just messing around then, not really gunning it. It might have been a rental?

*crosses arms and agrees*
:bs:

Stock M3 with only exhaust??Beat a 512 ferarri........major :bs:

Unless it was a kit car, but wait, he said he heard a high pitch engine noise? so it couldn't be.

Yes, I think it's those crazy M3 enthusiasts trying to make the M3 look like a supercar, when it really isn't, not with all the computer controlled shit.

Those new M3's are pretty quick... and it's possible the young fellows driving the prancing Horse were a bit scared to take chase after the BMW.

Just because I like to drive fast on occasion doesn't mean I'd want to take a Ferrari up to 195mph. Especially on a public road.

Bringing to mind, Ferrari's aren't the easiest to drive. From watching Best Motoring International Vol. #9 "Fuji Fast". The highlight of the dvd was the Fuji speedway sayonara battle. With a Porsche GT2, Ferrarie 355 F1 (which loses it's brakes and goes off into the gravel trap at the start of the final lap), Ferrari 360 F1 Modena (JGTC500 driver was scared to push it faster than it was going, cause it was squirely), Nissan Skyline R34 GTR (DNF, broke down after first lap), Subaru WRX, Mitsubishi Evo VIII and lastly Honda NSX Type-R.

The Ferrari's were doing good, but both drivers complained about the cars performance incomparison to the NSX and Porsche. The Porsche walked away from everybody.

Which leads me to the conclusion that it is possible for an older more experianced driver to beat a Ferrari in a lesser vehicle. But, with out any real proof. I will not say it's true, nor will I say BS.

it was one of the earlier models, with less hp. is my guess anyway.


1985 Ferrari Testarossa

0-60 mph: 5.3 sec
Horsepower: 390 bhp @ 6300 rpm

and bear in mind this race went from about 20 mph to about 90mph, so it wasnt protracted out to higher speeds where the ferrari would have probably (definitely?) won.

i could hear the guys in the ferrari racing it; its pretty obvious when a ferarri's engine is screaming.

anyways, im not trying tomake out the M3 is a better car, or faster or anything, im just relating a story which happened to me and my dad. maybe he's a better driver, maybe it was an older testarossa, maybe they werent driving it the way it shoudla been.maybe the m3 was stronger in those speeds.

they were young, and rental did cross my mind..

so dont call bs on the story, cos it happened. you can dispute the ferrari facts though, cos i have no proof of how they were driving, the year etc..

Those new M3's are pretty quick... and it's possible the young fellows driving the prancing Horse were a bit scared to take chase after the BMW.

Just because I like to drive fast on occasion doesn't mean I'd want to take a Ferrari up to 195mph. Especially on a public road.

Bringing to mind, Ferrari's aren't the easiest to drive. From watching Best Motoring International Vol. #9 "Fuji Fast". The highlight of the dvd was the Fuji speedway sayonara battle. With a Porsche GT2, Ferrarie 355 F1 (which loses it's brakes and goes off into the gravel trap at the start of the final lap), Ferrari 360 F1 Modena (JGTC500 driver was scared to push it faster than it was going, cause it was squirely), Nissan Skyline R34 GTR (DNF, broke down after first lap), Subaru WRX, Mitsubishi Evo VIII and lastly Honda NSX Type-R.

The Ferrari's were doing good, but both drivers complained about the cars performance incomparison to the NSX and Porsche. The Porsche walked away from everybody.

Which leads me to the conclusion that it is possible for an older more experianced driver to beat a Ferrari in a lesser vehicle. But, with out any real proof. I will not say it's true, nor will I say BS.

i'm so glad that someone used their brain on this one...

b/c i know that everyone who is calling BS has driven a ferrari to know that it would *eat* an m3?

It's great to be back in the street racing section, where no matter what your story is someone doesn't believe it! :2cents:

It's also possible that the Ferrari's engine may be on the tired side. So if it started life with 405 hp in the 80's and has never been replaced or not kept up well it may no longer be producing that much power. :iceslolan

I ran against an M3 a month ago up to around 100 mph and he was fast. Stayed to my door the whole way. They are quick... and I underestimated it when I shouldn't have.


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Originally Posted by Auto_newb
Yes, I think it's those crazy M3 enthusiasts trying to make the M3 look like a supercar, when it really isn't, not with all the computer controlled shit.
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Well... the '04 M3 IS a 13 second car, according to some websites I've seen. So it's not a slouch. I'm sure when the Testerossa was new it did better than 13's but it's old now.

i have a video of some guy running a 12.something in an E46 m3. all he had was some cams i believe, which he didnt thnk made a big difference.

not that that is saying or proving anything, i know.

my theory is still that it was an earlier testarossa with 390hp, 0-60 in 5.3. but who can say for sure..

I'm not calling BS...i killed a 5.0L Mustang in the car i'm driving now! The dumbass couldn't drive at all.

Anyways, i just thought it was unlikely that an M3 would take Ferrari. It's possible, and i won't say it didn't happen as i can't judge that.

Sounds to me from what is being said by Mike (M3) that the Ferrari was probably an older one, and since the drivers were young, i have a feeling that they couldn't drive and were in the less powerfull version of the car.

Since i've decided that this is the case, i say 'Good Job, Nice Kill!'

i'm so glad that someone used their brain on this one...

b/c i know that everyone who is calling BS has driven a ferrari to know that it would *eat* an m3?

never drove a ford taurus but i know it couldn't beat a srt-4.

though you may not be speaking about me, i simply said its very odd that a m3 beat a 512tr, but like the guy said it could have been an older one, or tired engine or they sucked at driving the car(as redneck stated it seems not to be so easy) so i'm not saying its bs but i'm not saying its true either, who knows. regardless mikem3 must of been fun feeling the Zoom next to a ferrari while inside of a m3 :naughty:

hehe yep as you said it was fun whatever some of you guys think!

Meh, I'm borderline on this, but I'm not calling BS simply because if the guys were younger I doubt they could REALLY drive the Ferrari. Either way sounds like you had fun.

I believe him.

Why just the other day My mom beat a Porsche 911 in our Hyundai Excel. Man them Hynudai's are ferocious!, I still get goosebumps thinking about it..













:grinno:

anythings possible, his dad could have beat the driver, but not the car

do you know the condition of the f car though?
honestly?
it's very possible that ANY driver could have beat the car if it were tired...
keep that in mind.

do you know the condition of the f car though?
honestly?
it's very possible that ANY driver could have beat the car if it were tired...
keep that in mind.

are you talking to me? i dont understand what you mean

are you talking to me? i dont understand what you mean

I think he was talking to Fully Sick.

I brought up the fact that a Testerossa would have been built in the 80's (I believe they were not in production in the 90's), therefore it could have been a tired car.

And why is it so hard to believe that it lost to a car that can push 13's in the 1/4 mile? I almost lost to one and I'm pushing probably around 330 hp with 2,800 lbs of weight.

yeah, there are so many unknowns...

I'll just take Mike's word for it. Theguy driving probably didnt know how to shift or maybe the car was screwed up in some way that it loses power, or maybe he wanted to lose, god knows...

Pretty cool thing to happen though, most of the people in ferrari's that drive by, that I've seen. Go slow as hell and just show off.

i was talking specifically to neon_209 in that post...

it's like anything else.
you don't know the conditions, it's not a perfect race track they're on, etc.

do you know the condition of the f car though?
honestly?
it's very possible that ANY driver could have beat the car if it were tired...
keep that in mind.

wtf are you talking about? do you know the condition of the car, no I didnt think so unless you were their with mike (m3) then your views would simply be based on his story just like all of us and im not doubting his kill just putting in my :2cents: about what could have happend..
keep that in mind

my point is:

NO ONE HERE, NOT EVEN MIKE(M3) KNOWS THE CONDITION OF THE CAR.

so it is VERY feasible that the m3 could have beat the car, not just the driver.

geezus.

take it to heart why don't ya...

Come on guys... relax. It's not worth getting upset over. :shakehead

fly has the most unpredictable personality on this board lol his reactions to people are kinda entertaining

my point is:

NO ONE HERE, NOT EVEN MIKE(M3) KNOWS THE CONDITION OF THE CAR.

so it is VERY feasible that the m3 could have beat the car, not just the driver.

geezus.

take it to heart why don't ya...

naaa im not taking it to the heart, just stating that their are alot of factors that could have took place in this race.......... if the car wasnt running its prime or the m3 beating the driver and not the car or what ever the factor may be he said he won and I DIDNT SAY HE DIDNT.... and its NOT that far feched that an m3 could beat a old school tess I am not saying that cause I know first hand what they are capable of

so we're saying the same thing, not knowing the condition of the car, which means he could have beat the car, not just the driver.

however, that's NOT what you said originally...
which is here:
anythings possible, his dad could have beat the driver, but not the car

that's why i said what i said about not knowing the condition of the car, and not being able to make the claim you made in this quote.

it could have been any factor, what if his motor was running like a champ but he was a crappy driver over all thats what I think, or what if like you said a crappy motor but a good or great driver thats what you state, just saying my my 2cents just like you because once again it could be anything

that's my point.
so you can't really make a statement like "oh, it was the driver" if you don't actually know that.

it could very well have been the car.
which is the point.

that's why i get annoyed when people throw out the BS flag for these threads as quickly as they do.

you weren't there, you don't know.
end of story... ya know?

Take it easy all...no sense in getting into all this over a street race.

thats my point too.....
you really cant say the car was tired either cause you dont accually know that for a fact just like I dont know if he beat the driver and not the car.

like you said you werent there you dont know if the car was tired just like I dont really know if he beat the car.

and my main point is that nobody knows unless they were there so we really cant say FOR SURE it was the driver or the car was tired, all we could say is THATS WHAT I THINK HAPPEND and thats what Im trying to say in my opinion.....just like you state your opinion........ you know what Im saying