Supra vs M3

Lets say a 98 Supra, either model vs a new M3.
Are M3's really as fast as they are cracked up to be?

stock m3 vs stock supra?

M3 should slaughter it.

Supra's power comes out in modifying.

stock m3 vs stock supra?

M3 should slaughter it.

Supra's power comes out in modifying.

Um I don't think so, don't get me wrong the M3 is no slouch, but neighter is the Supra. The M3 does the 1/4 mile in like 13.2-13.4 fast and the Supra is like 13.4-13.6, but with such a small difference it would definitly be a drivers race. Also, I give credit to the M3, but I believe the Supra (stock) is an awesome handling car, better yes than the M3, and the brakes are about a draw, the Supra is an awesome car stock and modified it is even better. Don't believe me then go do some research and prove me wrong.

Id say an M3 has a slight advantage.

But as far as refinment, quality, looks, the M3 just murders and slaughters the cheap looking inside and out supra.

straight performance........... i'd say a drivers race flat out, but up top i give it to the supra, when aerodynamics come into play

If you compare year to year models. The Supra is clearly the superior car. Now, if you want to compare a 2004 model to a 1997 model then its a different story.

new m3 will psot a faster time on a twisty track. but damn! those supras are modified easily

Well, i guess u can just look at my sn and find my answer. I love the M3. Simply the best (imo). The Supra was a great car, easily my favorite Japanese sports car ever sold in America. But the M3 is better. As it should be, the Supras were $30,000+ cars, the M is a $50,000 car. If I were to buy a strictly drag ricing car, I'd probably go for a Supra, but as a street/track car, my M3 is amazing.

This is my heavily biased opinion

E46 M3>Supra>E36 M3(240hp)

Well, i guess u can just look at my sn and find my answer. I love the M3. Simply the best (imo). The Supra was a great car, easily my favorite Japanese sports car ever sold in America. But the M3 is better. As it should be, the Supras were $30,000+ cars, the M is a $50,000 car. If I were to buy a strictly drag ricing car, I'd probably go for a Supra, but as a street/track car, my M3 is amazing.

This is my heavily biased opinion

Sorry but who told you that the Supra was just a drag car, please research some more and you will find that the Supra handles very good, try .96g skidpad nimbers and slaloms 68MPH+ stock, in fact for it's time the Supra was one of the best handling cars out there, and it's numbers are still not matched by the E46 M3. Also the Supra when new costed well over $40,000.

O, i know the Supra can do stuff other then drag, I've drivin both. A friend of mine has a 400bhp+ MKIV, and i've been beaten by it in a drag. Like I said, the Supra was a great car. But im still convinced the E46 M3 has better handling. The 50/50 weight distribution works wonders. But I must admit it has been a while since I've drivin a stock one, mine is nicely modified.

I must apologize about my price quote for the Supra, its been a while since they've been out. For some reason I remember them as being around $35,000 for an N/A, and closer to $40,000 for the Twin Turbo. My mistake.

Im a huge fan of German Engineering and the M3 is the essence of everything I want in a car. Other then a 911, there are few cars I consider to be more desireable then the M3.

i love how the m3 looks, and im sure it handles great with its near 50/50 weight distribution, but it got beat by a less powerful nissan 350z track edition. im also disappointed by the fact that its starting to lose its balance a bit, its slighty front biased now compared to the older e36's rear bias.

O, i know the Supra can do stuff other then drag, I've drivin both. A friend of mine has a 400bhp+ MKIV, and i've been beaten by it in a drag. Like I said, the Supra was a great car. But im still convinced the E46 M3 has better handling. The 50/50 weight distribution works wonders. But I must admit it has been a while since I've drivin a stock one, mine is nicely modified.

I must apologize about my price quote for the Supra, its been a while since they've been out. For some reason I remember them as being around $35,000 for an N/A, and closer to $40,000 for the Twin Turbo. My mistake.

Im a huge fan of German Engineering and the M3 is the essence of everything I want in a car. Other then a 911, there are few cars I consider to be more desireable then the M3.

Don't get me wrong, if I had the choice between the two I'd get the M3, a great car, both are great cars.

stock M3 vs stock Supra in a drag race I'd bet on the M3 SMGII

That's what I have and yes it's about 13.5 to the quarter mile but I routinely beat cars with quicker quoted times.

Because the SMGII is idiot proof. You can't make a mistake. Push the lever forward, floor the throttle and release. Pull the paddle everytime it hits 8000rpm.

Most people can't do a perfect launch and 3 perfect gear changes everytime.

i love how the m3 looks, and im sure it handles great with its near 50/50 weight distribution, but it got beat by a less powerful nissan 350z track edition. im also disappointed by the fact that its starting to lose its balance a bit, its slighty front biased now compared to the older e36's rear bias.

is this the best motoring video your describing?

this was clearly not a fair race, with the same driver posting times round that track, any ohter time and the m3's times would have slaughtered the times of the 350z.

im also talking about the magazine, i forgot which magazine it was, but the 350z beats the e46 in there, and it was on a different racetrack. in that best motoring video, did keichi tsuchiya drive that e46?

sorry, i have no idea, i was shwon it by a friend, and just remember thinking that the m3 driver was either purposely not trying hard, or was inexperienced with the car.

but i love both cars, m3 and 350z!

i just find it hard to believe that a 250hp car is as fast as a 350hp one..

sorry, i have no idea, i was shwon it by a friend, and just remember thinking that the m3 driver was either purposely not trying hard, or was inexperienced with the car.

but i love both cars, m3 and 350z!

i just find it hard to believe that a 250hp car is as fast as a 350hp one..

Try 287HP for the 350Z and 333HP for the M3 still a big difference, but that track in best motoring has many twisties and tight turns, I believe the track favored the handling qualities of the 350Z more than the M3, now if it was Fuji Raceway, which has long straights, the M3 would have most likely beat the 350Z.

not to mention the GTR camera car in the race, it blocked off the M3 a few times.

It was in Road & Track.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=469&page_number=1

well i hope its a combination of those factors of why the m3 posted slower times, and it also started off behind the 350z, but i think the magazine did this time trials thing, where the 350z won. if you ever watch that best motoring video, look for the quickest lap times, where they raced each car one by one, cause i missed that. anyways, i think bmw should retune the car.

The car is already tuned beyond belief.

Next design it's getting a V8

it should be an impressive car.

is it the same body, or is this gonna happen when they bring out the new 3 series?

(btw the bee-em still posted the fastest lap on that vid,im still not convinced about the 350z thing..anyways thats just imho)

Just thought i would add this to fuel my M3 handling arguement. These are pics from a 1997 C&D article comparing cars for the best handling car over $30,000.

Cars included: E36 M3, Supra, NSX-T, Corvette, Viper GTS, F355, Boxster, and the 911 Carrera S.

http://speed.supercars.net/Board?viewThread=y&fID=8&tID=120349

I remember this article and am still amazed that they found the M3 superior in handling to all of these other cars, especially the 911 and the F355.

it should be an impressive car.

is it the same body, or is this gonna happen when they bring out the new 3 series?

(btw the bee-em still posted the fastest lap on that vid,im still not convinced about the 350z thing..anyways thats just imho)

New chassis

http://speed.supercars.net/IMG?viewPic=y&source=board&dir=2004-5-8&p=a&f=3&t=120294&m=2341917&auth=b18e2020

theres a pic and a small article on the new M3.

400bhp 4.0 liter V8 for the M3
440bhp 4.4 liter V8 for the M3 CSL

actually, you do not want perfect 50/50 weight distribution.This is not ideal for track conditions.You actually want 45/55 distribution.This way the front had more grip through the corner.Is it that way, or reverse?

actually, you do not want perfect 50/50 weight distribution.This is not ideal for track conditions.You actually want 45/55 distribution.This way the front had more grip through the corner.Is it that way, or reverse?

i think its reverse, you want the rear to have a bit more weight.

Wow the new M3 looks tight, 400HP, same weight, should be awesome. I can already see it, 400HP V8 M3 vs. 400HP C6 Corvette and the new M3 CSL vs. the new Corvette ZO6.

^ :biggrin: i like your thinking

argh

that new m3 is horrendous. the e46 shape is a million times better looking. please god dont let the new m3 look anything like that picture...

i reckon if its that ugly the e46 will become the new classic.

like the sound of the high revving V8 though!

argh

that new m3 is horrendous. the e46 shape is a million times better looking. please god dont let the new m3 look anything like that picture...

i reckon if its that ugly the e46 will become the new classic.

like the sound of the high revving V8 though!

i agree, that new m3 is ugly. the current e46 looks so much better, the best looking one so far.

04 m3 vs. last year supra stock the m3, however with all the money you will have saved on the supra u would killthe m3

...but the M3 is far more of a daily driver. The technology and comfort features are far superior to the Supra.

o hell ya i deffinately agree with u man. alot more confortable, better handling by a shit load, and pics up alot more ladies

o hell ya i deffinately agree with u man. alot more confortable, better handling by a shit load, and pics up alot more ladies

Dude better handling by a sh*t load, please act like you know a little bit about cars, and the Supra for it's time had a very comfortable and beautiful interior, why do you think it has held it's value so well. I'm not at all saying it's better than a brand new 2004 M3 interior, but please give credit where credit is due. Back to the handling, not saying Supra is better at handling (which I personally believe it is, but others disagree and I accept that), but once again give credit where credit is due.

its not been worth the money so much as its worth so much because of the mods that are able to be done to it and sorry to say it F&F did have a huge roll to play in it. but seriously bro the m3 does have alot better handling. i dont have to act like i know abot cars when i do know about cars. i was talkin shit about the supra hence i said i would go with a supra but i give credit to the supra because it is such a beautiful car one of my favs. but honestly you do have to realize the m3 has alot better handling drive one you will see

its not been worth the money so much as its worth so much because of the mods that are able to be done to it and sorry to say it F&F did have a huge roll to play in it. but seriously bro the m3 does have alot better handling. i dont have to act like i know abot cars when i do know about cars. i was talkin shit about the supra hence i said i would go with a supra but i give credit to the supra because it is such a beautiful car one of my favs. but honestly you do have to realize the m3 has alot better handling drive one you will see

Honestly I have to realize the M3 has alot better handling? Are you serious, please guy do some research and maybe you will realize that the Supra skidpad numbers are .96g and higher, again that doesn't mean that the Supra is a better handler, but it also doesn't mean the Supra is a slouch when it comes to handling.

Just to let you know, I have driven both, not a E46 M3, but a E36 M3 and a Supra.

i read in some older magazine that the supra got .95g on the skidpad, and ive also read that the newer 97 supra actually did worse in handling than the 93 year, what does the e46 m3 do? i know skidpad isnt the only way to measure handling, but that number is really good considering how old it is. the current m3 is newer, so it has a more up to date, stiffer chassis, and a more up to date suspension setup. i havent driven either car, but im just gonna guess that id like the m3 better if i drove one, but one thing i feel thats better on the supra is the type of suspension it uses on the front. the m3 uses macpherson struts vs double wishbone for the supra. when your tuning a vehicle, its easier to modify a double wishbone suspension, and it gives better combination of ride, and handling. i mean macpherson struts do a good job, like my mr2 has struts all around, and the 911 turbo uses them on the front, just that i feel the unequal lenght double wishbone design is better.

hey man lets not get into the mines better than urs and all that all i said was that the e46 was better handler not the 36 because that would be a lil more even. like i said i love the supra alot more in fact then the m3. so dont think im tryin to give the supra a bad name, however we were goin 120 in a sharp curving construction zone and the m3 handled amazingly, i honestly whie sitting in the backseat almost shit my pants but it was awesome

i got the M3 winning. like you guys said the supra's power comes out in modifying. PLus the M3 is a Bimmer. a nice car

i got the M3 cause the Supra needs mods to make it really fast, plus the M3 is refined high-quality. If you wanted to mod the M3 you could go for the Dinan kit

THANK YOU u know whats up

THANK YOU u know whats up

The problem with you 91300ZXtt is that you just say and don't back anything up with stats. You say the M3 would destroy the Supra and don't back it up with facts. Now is this your opinion or is it actual evidence? Please explain? Perhaps if you do alittle research (like I have), drive both cars (like I have), and see them in action racing (like I have), then perhaps you would be aware that the two cars performance capabilitities are a lot closer than you think. The Supra does the 1/4 Mile in 13.5 Seconds at over 106MPH stock that really doesn't seem slow to me, the Supra hits a claimed Top Speed of 160MPH (STOCK) again that doesn't seem slow to me. Also the Supra pulls skidpad numbers of .96g+, of course I know handling is all about the feel, but still those indicate a car that handles very well. The Supra also brakes under 120FT. You know the more I look at it, the more and more the Supra looks like a great all around sports car (STOCK). Of course the Supra also happends to be a great car to modify also, but stock it's no slouch either. Now as far as it is compared to the Newer M3, I'd take the M3 just slightly, but still give credit where credit is due, the Supra deserves that much.

Also, just so we are clear on one thing, the Supra a very good quality interior and a wonderful build quality. It's value is a testiment to this, not saying it has a better interior than the M3, but it's interior is no way crappy. Now you say the car holds it's value only because of it's aftermarket potential, shut up, that's absolutely stupid. It holds it value so well because it a very sought after well built sports car, as simple as that. A 1998 Supra's value has dropped a mere 19% in 6 years, very few cars can claim such a low drop in value, not the Viper, Corvette, Camaro, RX-7, NSX, 300ZX, 3000GT, 911, and yes even the M3. Again not claiming the Supra is the best built car or even better than any of the cars mentioned, just saying give credit where it is due.

well seeing as how i have family in the buisness at luxury motors in on ogden avenue i have driven all those cars besides the nsx. have u driven a viper have u driven an 02 m3? doubtful dont give me that crap do YOUR research lil guy. ask anyone

well seeing as how i have family in the buisness at luxury motors in on ogden avenue i have driven all those cars besides the nsx. have u driven a viper have u driven an 02 m3? doubtful dont give me that crap do YOUR research lil guy. ask anyone

Like I said never said the Supra was the best, just said it is a very good well sport car, and should be respected. Now again with opinions and no facts? Interesting? I'll let that lil guy comment slide...

Maybe I'm wrong, but the Supra was selling pretty high in its last year.. I've heard some people say near 60k.

The people comparing the Best Motoring video, the M3 in that vid didn't have the right tires as they had said. I would prefer a 50/50 weight in a car. Any of you tried a recent RX7? The thing has 50.1front/49.9rear and it's insane handling wise. I have no clue why anyone wouldn't want a balanced car.

i got the M3 cause the Supra needs mods to make it really fast, plus the M3 is refined high-quality. If you wanted to mod the M3 you could go for the Dinan kit :screwy:

lmao :lol: :rofl: :lol: so what is really fast to you? a supra is just as fast as a m3, if not faster.

Maybe I'm wrong, but the Supra was selling pretty high in its last year.. I've heard some people say near 60k.

The people comparing the Best Motoring video, the M3 in that vid didn't have the right tires as they had said. I would prefer a 50/50 weight in a car. Any of you tried a recent RX7? The thing has 50.1front/49.9rear and it's insane handling wise. I have no clue why anyone wouldn't want a balanced car.

No the Supra's list price for it's last year was low $40K.

yea but the m3 was also tested in road and track, and it got a slower time than the 350z. doesnt the non us market m3 get a more powerful version? like 10 more horses or something like that? since they dont have those strong emissions law like the US does. also look at how old the supra is, it was brought here around 1993, thats like 14 yrs, and it still looks modern, and it performs well today. only big downside for me that i can think of, is its weight.

91300ZXtt this is stupid, you and your peeps just go on believing what you want to believe, that's your choice. Technically I agree with you, if I had to choose between the E46 M3 and a Supra, I would take the E46 M3. Also I don't even like the Supra, yet I am defending it for some reason, I guess it's because I may not like the car, but I do respect it and I am fully aware of it's capabilities stock and modified. It's sort of like other cars I don't like, the Camaros, Mustangs, Firebirds, and SRT-4s (especially SRT-4s), I may not like them, but I do respect them. So anyways, you just go on and believe what you want, I don't care anymore, you say the Supra sucks and never could hang with an M3 stock for stock, then that is your choice. I just hope that one day you buy yourself an E46 M3 and take it to the track, and there is a stock Supra there. I then hope you decide to take it easy cuz it's only a "stock Supra", and then I hope I am there to watch that "stock Supra" walk all over you because you took it easy. Then I hope I am there to laugh at you and tell you I told you so.

yea but the m3 was also tested in road and track, and it got a slower time than the 350z. doesnt the non us market m3 get a more powerful version? like 10 more horses or something like that? since they dont have those strong emissions law like the US does. also look at how old the supra is, it was brought here around 1993, thats like 14 yrs, and it still looks modern, and it performs well today. only big downside for me that i can think of, is its weight.

silly rabbit, the m3 weighs just as much as the supra

2001 bmw E46 m3
Specifications
Year 2001 Origin Munich, Germany
Make BMW Base Price Not Available
Model E46 M3 Production Not Available
Engine & Transmission Body / Chassis
Position Not Available Drive Wheels Not Available
Configuration S51 Inline-6 Curb Weight 1570 kg / 3461 lbs
Valvetrain Not Available Length 4492 mm / 176.9 in
Displacement 3246 cc / 198.1 cu in Width 1780 mm / 70.1 in
Power 255.8 kw / 343.0 bhp @ 7900 rpm Height 1372 mm / 54.0 in
Torque 364.72 nm / 269.0 ft lbs @ 4900 rpm Wheelbase 2731 mm / 107.5 in
Bore 87 mm / 3.43 in Front Track 1508 mm / 59.4 in
Stroke 91 mm / 3.58 in Rear Track 1525 mm / 60.0 in
Redline Not Available Steering Rack & Pinion w/Power Assist
HP / Liter 105.67 bhp per litre Body / Frame Not Available
HP / Curb Weight Front Brakes Vented Discs w/Single Piston Caliper & ABS
Gear Type 6-Speed Manual Front Brake Size 325 mm / 12.8 in
1st Gear Ratio 4.227:1 Rear Brakes Vented Discs w/Single Piston Caliper & ABS
2nd Gear Ratio 2.528:1 Rear Brake Size 328 mm / 12.9 in
3rd Gear Ratio 1.669:1 Front Wheels F 45.7 x 20.3 cm / 18.0 x 8.0 in
4th Gear Ratio 1.226:1 Rear Wheels R 45.7 x 22.9 cm / 18.0 x 9.0 in
5th Gear Ratio 1.000:1 Front Tires 225/45ZR18
6th Gear Ratio 0.828:1 Rear Tires 225/40ZR18

and lets not talk about the cabriolet it weighs 3700lbs. both are nice cars and both handle good. sometimes handling is the the hands of the beholder.

oh and one more thing

http://mkiv.com/publications/car&driver/3_93/6-cd3-93.jpg


i also didn't know much about the supra myself but was educated by a very knowledgeable mod.

yea but i never said the e46 wasnt heavy either, anyways the e46 is still a little lighter overall, especially the e46 without sunroof, but i still think they re both heavy cars.

both heavy and still handle very well, and the bmw is lighter by what 50lbs? hehehe who cares. tooo many things come in to play with handling besides weight and even the skidpad. and soooo much to do with the driver, i believe more than even in a 1320 race down the track

91300ZXtt this is stupid, you and your peeps just go on believing what you want to believe, that's your choice. Technically I agree with you, if I had to choose between the E46 M3 and a Supra, I would take the E46 M3. Also I don't even like the Supra, yet I am defending it for some reason, I guess it's because I may not like the car, but I do respect it and I am fully aware of it's capabilities stock and modified. It's sort of like other cars I don't like, the Camaros, Mustangs, Firebirds, and SRT-4s (especially SRT-4s), I may not like them, but I do respect them. So anyways, you just go on and believe what you want, I don't care anymore, you say the Supra sucks and never could hang with an M3 stock for stock, then that is your choice. I just hope that one day you buy yourself an E46 M3 and take it to the track, and there is a stock Supra there. I then hope you decide to take it easy cuz it's only a "stock Supra", and then I hope I am there to watch that "stock Supra" walk all over you because you took it easy. Then I hope I am there to laugh at you and tell you I told you so.

wow isnt this ironic then. i love the supra and would persoanlly rather have it instead of the m3 and im sticking up for the m3. reason being for myself liking the supra is it has a huge after market and now u can find one for say almost 35-40 grand cheaper. i never said i didnt like the supra in fact im looking for a wrecked one to restore, well not really restore but make better if you will im talkin stock to stock tho

o by the 3000 ways a buddy wants your dumb ass to see this http://www.toyota-supra.com/japspecs.htm

13.5 seconds HA! like its that much faster the a 300zxtt stock now shut up put ur tail between your legs and go home

o by the 3000 ways a buddy wants your dumb ass to see this http://www.toyota-supra.com/japspecs.htm

13.5 seconds HA! like its that much faster the a 300zxtt stock now shut up put ur tail between your legs and go home

You have got to be the dumbest muthaf*cker in the world, first off your boyfriend finds one site that says the Supra runs 14s and now it's set in stone, come on dude, let's not be stupid now, or is that just how you are, stupid I mean. First off the car has been tested by Car and Driver, Motor Trend, and Road and Track in the 13s, and I personally have seen a black one bone freaking stock run a 13.6 at the drag strip, I mean that seems like more than enough evidence for me. Now as far as putting my tail between my legs, the only thing that will be put inbetween some legs is my d*ck inbetween your mother's legs.

o by the 3000 ways a buddy wants your dumb ass to see this http://www.toyota-supra.com/japspecs.htm

13.5 seconds HA! like its that much faster the a 300zxtt stock now shut up put ur tail between your legs and go home

hehehe, you just gave us the gayest site ever, i just posted an article of the supra running 13.1 in the 1/4 mile, you give us some need for speed crap with japanese specs. your site says the supra has 280hp when it really has 320hp.

face it man, with 2 good drivers a bmw and a supra will be a killer match. and as for the 300zxtt pound for pound muscle for muscle and driver for driver the supra IS faster.