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Traction Control???!!!


v_knot
01-22-2002, 06:50 AM
Does our Gs have traction control? Is there an aftermarket product that add this feature?

gdalton
01-22-2002, 08:34 AM
No traction control but the touring and the sport models have limited slip differential wich do's help on the slippery stuff, and I have no idea if there is an aftermarket vendor for traction control but maybe someone in here will know for sure.

ales
01-22-2002, 08:50 AM
Traction control??? It will cost more than the car!

G-Forces
01-22-2002, 10:51 AM
Traction control on most inexpensive cars now days is really crappy. It consists of detecting wheel sping and then cutting the ignition for about half a second.

You can get a better limited slip however. Quaife makes a excellent, if not expensive, TORSEN LSD for our cars.

v_knot
01-22-2002, 10:54 AM
Next question....Do you need it? What's better than spinning your car out? LOL:p

vivisect
01-22-2002, 05:20 PM
Lsds are ment to be shit for cornering in FWD arent they ?
only for launches and straight line speeds..

P10DET
01-22-2002, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by vivisect
Lsds are ment to be shit for cornering in FWD arent they ?
only for launches and straight line speeds..

Whoa there big fella!

Who filled your head with that horsepucky?

A good LSD will give you significant advantage putting power down getting out of corners. An LSD won't do anything in a straight line once you are no longer able to spin your tires.

A Torsen type (ala Quaife) LSD is better than the Nissan factory LSD by a damned sight by all accounts.

BTW, an LSD isn't traction control.

P10DET
01-22-2002, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by v_knot
Does our Gs have traction control?

Mine does....

It's my right foot. :D

P10DET
01-22-2002, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by G-Forces
Traction control on most inexpensive cars now days is really crappy. It consists of detecting wheel sping and then cutting the ignition for about half a second.

Actually, that's essentially how traction control works on F1 cars even. Most cause a slight misfire to limit power.

P10DET
01-22-2002, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by v_knot
Next question....Do you need it? What's better than spinning your car out? LOL:p

Putting the power down and beating the guy who is spinning his wheels or his car. :D

FlossinPrimera
01-22-2002, 10:18 PM
I think that you could get TCS on automatic G20s, I'm not sure of anybody that offers traction control on cars with manual transmissions.

ales
01-23-2002, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by P10DET


Actually, that's essentially how traction control works on F1 cars even. Most cause a slight misfire to limit power.

That and sometimes fuel cut.

v_knot
01-23-2002, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by P10DET


Mine does....

It's my right foot. :D

That's right George, I forgot you are a Flinstone :)

v_knot
01-23-2002, 07:41 AM
An LSD might not be a traction control but does it functions like a traction contro, or could it be better?

So the optimum launch then would be at around 3500 rpm rather than at the threshold torque (4800 rpm)??? Launching at the threshold torque could potential spinning your wheels, delay one-half or so seconds of critical time, leaving you behind the track. Could this analysis be wrong?

gdalton
01-23-2002, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by v_knot
An LSD might not be a traction control but does it functions like a traction contro, or could it be better?

So the optimum launch then would be at around 3500 rpm rather than at the threshold torque (4800 rpm)??? Launching at the threshold torque could potential spinning your wheels, delay one-half or so seconds of critical time, leaving you behind the track. Could this analysis be wrong?

Well it's true that you don't want to spin your wheels to much but you can launch at around 4k + rpm as long as you let the clutch out smoothly to avoid spinning instead of just dumping the clutch and holding on.

G-Forces
01-23-2002, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by P10DET


Actually, that's essentially how traction control works on F1 cars even. Most cause a slight misfire to limit power.
Well I'm sure it's a wee bit more sophisticated than what you'd get in a Pontiac Grand Prix. :p

Try some WRC traction control on for size. Massive amounts of computing power, computer controled differentials. Yummy. :D

v_knot
01-23-2002, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by G-Forces

Well I'm sure it's a wee bit more sophisticated than what you'd get in a Pontiac Grand Prix. :p

Try some WRC traction control on for size. Massive amounts of computing power, computer controled differentials. Yummy. :D

Definitely, a traction control option will add the complexity to the already complicated system.

Is traction control being monitored/controlled by the ECU? Or is it an additional unit attached to the ECU?? If I purchase a Torsen type (ala Quaife) LSD, can it overwrites the Nissan stock LSD?

Mrcoilover
01-23-2002, 08:55 AM
I vote P10DET to the the SR20DE/DET president. All in favor say AYE!

Is there anything this guy doesn't know about the SR20DE or other cars for that matter. Come on now, he can't know everything. But there's a 1st for everything.

G-Forces
01-23-2002, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by Mrcoilover
I vote P10DET to the the SR20DE/DET president. All in favor say AYE!

Is there anything this guy doesn't know about the SR20DE or other cars for that matter. Come on now, he can't know everything. But there's a 1st for everything.
Oh I've seen him slip up from time to time. Geo retains info like a, ummm, like a, well like something that retains something very well. :D

G-Forces
01-23-2002, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by v_knot
If I purchase a Torsen type (ala Quaife) LSD, can it overwrites the Nissan stock LSD?
It basically replaces the VLSD unit with the quaife unit.

v_knot
01-23-2002, 10:25 AM
And how much is one of these babies cost?

A380Driver
01-23-2002, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Mrcoilover
I vote P10DET to the the SR20DE/DET president. All in favor say AYE!


We can all pitch in and get him a pack of Shiner Bock :)

A380Driver
01-23-2002, 12:35 PM
I thought that TCS on many cars is only good for like 0-20mph and then the system turns off. Basically so you dont slip your wheels when you first start.

Maybe what you were talking about in the beginning was like some sort of active stability type thing?

P10DET
01-23-2002, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by G-Forces
Oh I've seen him slip up from time to time. Geo retains info like a, ummm, like a, well like something that retains something very well. :D

ROTFLMAO!!!

I think I owe you a beer after that one. And not one of those watery Canadian beers either. A Shiner Bock. A MAN's beer. :D

P10DET
01-23-2002, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by G-Forces
Try some WRC traction control on for size. Massive amounts of computing power, computer controled differentials. Yummy. :D

Hmmmm......

Somehow I don't think WRC cars have traction control. :D

P10DET
01-23-2002, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by G-Forces
It basically replaces the VLSD unit with the quaife unit.

Actually......

It doesn't. It attaches to the stock VLSD and augments it.

ales
01-23-2002, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by P10DET


Hmmmm......

Somehow I don't think WRC cars have traction control. :D

LOL :lol2: I whink you just may be right on this one!

G-Forces
01-24-2002, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by P10DET


Hmmmm......

Somehow I don't think WRC cars have traction control. :D
Depends on your definition of traction control. :p

G-Forces
01-24-2002, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by P10DET


Actually......

It doesn't. It attaches to the stock VLSD and augments it.
Riiight. So then does the Nismo VLSD replace the stock unit?

P10DET
01-24-2002, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by G-Forces
Riiight. So then does the Nismo VLSD replace the stock unit?

Yes. It's the VLSD from the GTi-R.

G-Forces
01-25-2002, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by P10DET


Yes. It's the VLSD from the GTi-R.
OK then if the Nismo VLSD has 20% more lockup then will there be any benefit if you add a quaife unit to a Nismo VLSD over stock?

P10DET
01-25-2002, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by G-Forces

OK then if the Nismo VLSD has 20% more lockup then will there be any benefit if you add a quaife unit to a Nismo VLSD over stock?

I can only guess it would based upon the reports from others.

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