Wild 9/11 stories
Spyke^
06-04-2004, 02:09 PM
Sorry if this is a repost or if I should have posted in a similiar thread, but this crappy dialup connection at work makes it a nightmare to do a half decent search. :lol:
You guys really should check out some of the stuff in here http://www.911uncovered.com/
Some of the stuff that is brought up, and suggested is so far out there, but it's still some good reading if you have the time.
Disclaimer: No, I don't put this up because I think it's true or untrue for that matter.
I just thought that some people might like to read it for one reason or another so please don't bother flaming me and going on about whatever K?
If you think that you are interested in a bunch of 9/11 conspiracy click on the link, if not then don't.
You guys really should check out some of the stuff in here http://www.911uncovered.com/
Some of the stuff that is brought up, and suggested is so far out there, but it's still some good reading if you have the time.
Disclaimer: No, I don't put this up because I think it's true or untrue for that matter.
I just thought that some people might like to read it for one reason or another so please don't bother flaming me and going on about whatever K?
If you think that you are interested in a bunch of 9/11 conspiracy click on the link, if not then don't.
DGB454
06-06-2004, 09:06 AM
Interesting stuff I must say. If this is a repost I don't think I saw it before.
lazysmurff
06-06-2004, 01:16 PM
it makes you think, kinda
but then you remember that the bush administration hasnt (well, yet) made a pass to extend the presidents term. so like it or not, we only have to put up with Bush for 4 more years at the most. so it would be fruitless for him to plot and carryout such things.
but then you remember that the bush administration hasnt (well, yet) made a pass to extend the presidents term. so like it or not, we only have to put up with Bush for 4 more years at the most. so it would be fruitless for him to plot and carryout such things.
T4 Primera
06-06-2004, 04:15 PM
As long as we're posting links to alternative theories there are a number of 9/11 related ones, as well as others, here:
http://joevialls.altermedia.info/
http://joevialls.altermedia.info/
thegladhatter
06-07-2004, 02:11 AM
what a pant load!
DGB454
06-07-2004, 05:12 AM
it makes you think, kinda
but then you remember that the bush administration hasnt (well, yet) made a pass to extend the presidents term. so like it or not, we only have to put up with Bush for 4 more years at the most. so it would be fruitless for him to plot and carryout such things.
Even if this were true it couldn't be accomplished without the cooperation of both parties. (unless one of the parties are totally stupid.)
but then you remember that the bush administration hasnt (well, yet) made a pass to extend the presidents term. so like it or not, we only have to put up with Bush for 4 more years at the most. so it would be fruitless for him to plot and carryout such things.
Even if this were true it couldn't be accomplished without the cooperation of both parties. (unless one of the parties are totally stupid.)
DGB454
06-07-2004, 05:17 AM
Yeah...next they'll be sayin it was Iraq wut done it.
Cool avatar there,girly, but youer sig sux.
Do you purposely try and write like that?
Cool avatar there,girly, but youer sig sux.
Do you purposely try and write like that?
lazysmurff
06-07-2004, 01:00 PM
Even if this were true it couldn't be accomplished without the cooperation of both parties. (unless one of the parties are totally stupid.)
one more reason not to believe it.
i think ill run some of the physics "evidence" by a professor at my school text term, just to see how it really holds up. might be interesting
Do you purposely try and write like that?
maybe he's one of the "c00l l33t haxxors" or whatever they call themselves
one more reason not to believe it.
i think ill run some of the physics "evidence" by a professor at my school text term, just to see how it really holds up. might be interesting
Do you purposely try and write like that?
maybe he's one of the "c00l l33t haxxors" or whatever they call themselves
twospirits
06-07-2004, 02:18 PM
You have got to be kidding.
Man, I like conspiracy theories as much as the next man, but this one is way way out there. As much as I do not like the Bush man and his croonies, I seriously doubt, they caused this.
TS out
Man, I like conspiracy theories as much as the next man, but this one is way way out there. As much as I do not like the Bush man and his croonies, I seriously doubt, they caused this.
TS out
DGB454
06-07-2004, 02:24 PM
one more reason not to believe it. i think ill run some of the physics "evidence" by a professor at my school text term, just to see how it really holds up. might be interesting
Shoot it past him and see what he says.
maybe he's one of the "c00l l33t haxxors" or whatever they call themselves
Cool what? You're just making up words now right?:sly::biggrin:
Shoot it past him and see what he says.
maybe he's one of the "c00l l33t haxxors" or whatever they call themselves
Cool what? You're just making up words now right?:sly::biggrin:
DGB454
06-10-2004, 12:45 PM
Heres another one to go with the weird 9/11 stories.
http://www.detailshere.com/niburu.htm#Another%20good%20summary
Seems Planet X is going to destroy the earth.:eek7:
http://www.detailshere.com/niburu.htm#Another%20good%20summary
Seems Planet X is going to destroy the earth.:eek7:
spooleffect
06-16-2004, 09:51 PM
People instantly hear "Conspirathy" and nearly everyone all just spits out that its just crazy talk. Now granted there are a ton of bs conspirathy theories but that just makes others get ignored since everyone gets the mindset that their all bs.
There is too much undeniable evidence there is a cover-up involved with 9/11.
There is too much undeniable evidence there is a cover-up involved with 9/11.
T4 Primera
06-17-2004, 03:54 AM
People instantly hear "Conspirathy" and nearly everyone all just spits out that its just crazy talk. Now granted there are a ton of bs conspirathy theories but that just makes others get ignored since everyone gets the mindset that their all bs.
There is too much undeniable evidence there is a cover-up involved with 9/11.I agree. "Conspiracy theory" has become a convenient label to hang on anything that contradicts the mainstream communal belief. It is a label that closes minds.
There is too much undeniable evidence there is a cover-up involved with 9/11.I agree. "Conspiracy theory" has become a convenient label to hang on anything that contradicts the mainstream communal belief. It is a label that closes minds.
YogsVR4
06-17-2004, 08:44 AM
The 'undeniable evidence' that there was a cover up about 9/11 is only undeniable to those who hold that there is a cover up.
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CarSuperfreak
06-17-2004, 08:45 AM
The 'undeniable evidence' that there was a cover up about 9/11 is only undeniable to those who hold that there is a cover up.
:werd:
:werd:
psychobadboy
06-17-2004, 10:57 AM
Whoa, this stuff is way too out there to believe. It is interesting tho...
spooleffect
06-17-2004, 03:07 PM
Whats so way out there about it?
NO Airliner wreckage was at the Pentagon and the damage at the pentagon in NO way was from the result of an Airliner hitting it.
The collapse of the Two WTC towers could NOT have happened because of burning jet fuel melting the towers structural support. Steel melts at 2800°F not 800°F which is what jet fuel burns at. A steel building had never collapsed because of a fire. Even if the aircraft had caused enough structural damage to cause a collapse, both building IN NO WAY would have fallen with perfect center symetry.
A plane crashing into a building can completley destroy the black-box but a it can't destroy a passport of one of the supposed terrorists which can be left in pristine condition to be recovered within a couple of hours after the collapse to be found by federal agents.
Its goes on an on too.
Did any of you actually look through the whole site or did you just look at the home page and say, "9/11 Conspirathy, thats Crazy!"?
NO Airliner wreckage was at the Pentagon and the damage at the pentagon in NO way was from the result of an Airliner hitting it.
The collapse of the Two WTC towers could NOT have happened because of burning jet fuel melting the towers structural support. Steel melts at 2800°F not 800°F which is what jet fuel burns at. A steel building had never collapsed because of a fire. Even if the aircraft had caused enough structural damage to cause a collapse, both building IN NO WAY would have fallen with perfect center symetry.
A plane crashing into a building can completley destroy the black-box but a it can't destroy a passport of one of the supposed terrorists which can be left in pristine condition to be recovered within a couple of hours after the collapse to be found by federal agents.
Its goes on an on too.
Did any of you actually look through the whole site or did you just look at the home page and say, "9/11 Conspirathy, thats Crazy!"?
YogsVR4
06-17-2004, 03:15 PM
Whats so way out there about it?
NO Airliner wreckage was at the Pentagon and the damage at the pentagon in NO way was from the result of an Airliner hitting it.
Yes - there was wreckage at the pentagon. The damage is consistent with that of an airliner hitting it.
The collapse of the Two WTC towers could NOT have happened because of burning jet fuel melting the towers structural support. Steel melts at 2800°F not 800°F which is what jet fuel burns at. A steel building had never collapsed because of a fire. Even if the aircraft had caused enough structural damage to cause a collapse, both building IN NO WAY would have fallen with perfect center symetry.
It absolutly could cause the crash. It wasn't the melting of the beams, it was the melting of the welds that held the beams together.
A plane crashing into a building can completley destroy the black-box but a it can't destroy a passport of one of the supposed terrorists which can be left in pristine condition to be recovered within a couple of hours after the collapse to be found by federal agents.
There are many cases where homes have burned to the ground only to find newpapers in the middle of the building that are completely untouched - I guess there was conspiracy there as well.
Its goes on an on too.
Did any of you actually look through the whole site or did you just look at the home page and say, "9/11 Conspirathy, thats Crazy!"?
Did anyone who believes the theories watch a Discover program on how the fires caused the towers to collapse or how the plane hit the the Pentegon? Or were those programs part of the conspiracy too :rolleyes:
The theories you're talking about are not supported by the facts. They make wild leaps of logic to try and support a predesposed position.
Its one thing to be sceptical but this goes way passed left field.
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NO Airliner wreckage was at the Pentagon and the damage at the pentagon in NO way was from the result of an Airliner hitting it.
Yes - there was wreckage at the pentagon. The damage is consistent with that of an airliner hitting it.
The collapse of the Two WTC towers could NOT have happened because of burning jet fuel melting the towers structural support. Steel melts at 2800°F not 800°F which is what jet fuel burns at. A steel building had never collapsed because of a fire. Even if the aircraft had caused enough structural damage to cause a collapse, both building IN NO WAY would have fallen with perfect center symetry.
It absolutly could cause the crash. It wasn't the melting of the beams, it was the melting of the welds that held the beams together.
A plane crashing into a building can completley destroy the black-box but a it can't destroy a passport of one of the supposed terrorists which can be left in pristine condition to be recovered within a couple of hours after the collapse to be found by federal agents.
There are many cases where homes have burned to the ground only to find newpapers in the middle of the building that are completely untouched - I guess there was conspiracy there as well.
Its goes on an on too.
Did any of you actually look through the whole site or did you just look at the home page and say, "9/11 Conspirathy, thats Crazy!"?
Did anyone who believes the theories watch a Discover program on how the fires caused the towers to collapse or how the plane hit the the Pentegon? Or were those programs part of the conspiracy too :rolleyes:
The theories you're talking about are not supported by the facts. They make wild leaps of logic to try and support a predesposed position.
Its one thing to be sceptical but this goes way passed left field.
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spooleffect
06-17-2004, 03:26 PM
At the pentagon, where were the wings and tail of the airliner? Where were the seats or some other kind of airliner debris? The structural damage was way too small to have been impacted by an airliner.
800°F Still aint enough to melt the welds of the building. Even if they did then why was there basically no intact beams or structural pieces of any kind, and some would have survied even a collapse but not a demolition. How did both buildings fall with perfect symmetry?
How was a passort able to be found so quicky after somehow surviving a plane crash(oh, yeah the black box didn't) then be found within a matter of hours amist the total 240 stories of rubble.
Yes, I did see that discovery channel episode and yes I did believe and I did believe all the other bullshit I was told for the begining, but not anymore.
Its one thing to be sceptical but its another to miss such obvious thing.
800°F Still aint enough to melt the welds of the building. Even if they did then why was there basically no intact beams or structural pieces of any kind, and some would have survied even a collapse but not a demolition. How did both buildings fall with perfect symmetry?
How was a passort able to be found so quicky after somehow surviving a plane crash(oh, yeah the black box didn't) then be found within a matter of hours amist the total 240 stories of rubble.
Yes, I did see that discovery channel episode and yes I did believe and I did believe all the other bullshit I was told for the begining, but not anymore.
Its one thing to be sceptical but its another to miss such obvious thing.
YogsVR4
06-17-2004, 03:40 PM
I don't know where you got your numbers from. The fires caused by the jet fuel was well above 800 degree and a lot closer to 2000 (I don't remember the exact amount). Take a look. This make a whole lot more sense then any of the theories from that site. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/dyk.html
The parts of the plane you are looking for were there - just in millions of pieces. Look at the crash in Penn. which also left no piece larger then a fist.
The planes passenger list was known and was reviewed within hours of the crashes. The fact a passport hit the ground didn't mean squat.
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The parts of the plane you are looking for were there - just in millions of pieces. Look at the crash in Penn. which also left no piece larger then a fist.
The planes passenger list was known and was reviewed within hours of the crashes. The fact a passport hit the ground didn't mean squat.
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spooleffect
06-17-2004, 03:58 PM
http://www.911uncovered.com/
Dude please just go through the entire site with a neutral mind.
If you provide me with a link to a Privately run site that does nothing but show that 9/11 isn't a cover-up and gives my plenty of evidence that I can see with my own eyes(not just read about) then I will gladly do the same.
Dude please just go through the entire site with a neutral mind.
If you provide me with a link to a Privately run site that does nothing but show that 9/11 isn't a cover-up and gives my plenty of evidence that I can see with my own eyes(not just read about) then I will gladly do the same.
YogsVR4
06-17-2004, 04:00 PM
Dude - you've convinced yourself that there is a conspiracy going on. I'm not going to waste my time finding links to prove it wrong in the same way I am not going to look for site to prove elephants can't fly. :screwy:
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spooleffect
06-17-2004, 04:02 PM
Yeah, I didn't think so.
The government having a big part in a "Terrorist Attack" isn't anything new I might add. Look at Operation Northwoods.
The government having a big part in a "Terrorist Attack" isn't anything new I might add. Look at Operation Northwoods.
driftu
06-17-2004, 04:12 PM
I don't know where you got your numbers from. The fires caused by the jet fuel was well above 800 degree and a lot closer to 2000 (I don't remember the exact amount). Take a look. This make a whole lot more sense then any of the theories from that site. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/dyk.html
The parts of the plane you are looking for were there - just in millions of pieces. Look at the crash in Penn. which also left no piece larger then a fist.
The planes passenger list was known and was reviewed within hours of the crashes. The fact a passport hit the ground didn't mean squat.
except they could use it rally the people. they had a target.
the buildings fell the same way. planes had different speeds and contact points. even just the law of probibilty should played a hand but no nice controled fall crazy how that happens in the middle of a city.
don't blindly follow people they always use you for their ends
The parts of the plane you are looking for were there - just in millions of pieces. Look at the crash in Penn. which also left no piece larger then a fist.
The planes passenger list was known and was reviewed within hours of the crashes. The fact a passport hit the ground didn't mean squat.
except they could use it rally the people. they had a target.
the buildings fell the same way. planes had different speeds and contact points. even just the law of probibilty should played a hand but no nice controled fall crazy how that happens in the middle of a city.
don't blindly follow people they always use you for their ends
psychobadboy
06-17-2004, 05:37 PM
Yeah, I didn't think so.
The government having a big part in a "Terrorist Attack" isn't anything new I might add. Look at Operation Northwoods.
I really hope you're not getting all your facts from the conspiracy web sites. So what next? You're gonna try to prove that we didn't really land on the moon? :screwy:
The government having a big part in a "Terrorist Attack" isn't anything new I might add. Look at Operation Northwoods.
I really hope you're not getting all your facts from the conspiracy web sites. So what next? You're gonna try to prove that we didn't really land on the moon? :screwy:
spooleffect
06-17-2004, 05:50 PM
I really hope you're not getting all your facts from the conspiracy web sites.
No, I get em from CNN, Fox, NBC, CBS, and ABC.
So what next? You're gonna try to prove that we didn't really land on the moon?
You; like the majority of Americans, are the reason why the government can and will get away with doing whatever they want.
No, I get em from CNN, Fox, NBC, CBS, and ABC.
So what next? You're gonna try to prove that we didn't really land on the moon?
You; like the majority of Americans, are the reason why the government can and will get away with doing whatever they want.
thegladhatter
06-17-2004, 08:20 PM
No, I get em from CNN, Fox, NBC, CBS, and ABC.
Dude - you are full of feces!
Dude - you are full of feces!
spooleffect
06-17-2004, 08:22 PM
Dude - you are full of feces!
Was my sarcasm not evident in that post?
Was my sarcasm not evident in that post?
thegladhatter
06-17-2004, 08:52 PM
...doesn't change anything....
2strokebloke
06-17-2004, 08:59 PM
Dude - you are full of feces!
Ah, that's cute. But don't forget that your farts smell as bad as anyone's. :)
Ah, that's cute. But don't forget that your farts smell as bad as anyone's. :)
WissNX01
07-12-2004, 02:08 AM
At the pentagon, where were the wings and tail of the airliner? Where were the seats or some other kind of airliner debris? The structural damage was way too small to have been impacted by an airliner.
800°F Still aint enough to melt the welds of the building. Even if they did then why was there basically no intact beams or structural pieces of any kind, and some would have survied even a collapse but not a demolition. How did both buildings fall with perfect symmetry?
Those buildings (WTC) were the most incredible technological marvels of the 20th Century. They were designed to be hit with an airliner, a 707 sized plane. As you should know, the Empire State Building was struck by a B-25 bomber, so being hit with a plane was always considered for construction. The buidings were designed to hold up long enough for an evacuation. It is amazing that despite newer planes, 767, which hold more fuel, and are larger; that the buidings lasted as long as they did.
And did it ever occur to you that those large buidings were also designed to collapse onto themselves? An engineer wouldnt be able to live with himself if he designed a buiding that could collapse and kill many hundreds or thousands of people in a larger, spread out area. Those buidings were a testement to the spirt of America, and were designed to save lives, not to take them. YOu find a structural engineer, and they will tell you buiding failure is considered in design.
800°F Still aint enough to melt the welds of the building. Even if they did then why was there basically no intact beams or structural pieces of any kind, and some would have survied even a collapse but not a demolition. How did both buildings fall with perfect symmetry?
Those buildings (WTC) were the most incredible technological marvels of the 20th Century. They were designed to be hit with an airliner, a 707 sized plane. As you should know, the Empire State Building was struck by a B-25 bomber, so being hit with a plane was always considered for construction. The buidings were designed to hold up long enough for an evacuation. It is amazing that despite newer planes, 767, which hold more fuel, and are larger; that the buidings lasted as long as they did.
And did it ever occur to you that those large buidings were also designed to collapse onto themselves? An engineer wouldnt be able to live with himself if he designed a buiding that could collapse and kill many hundreds or thousands of people in a larger, spread out area. Those buidings were a testement to the spirt of America, and were designed to save lives, not to take them. YOu find a structural engineer, and they will tell you buiding failure is considered in design.
WissNX01
07-12-2004, 02:23 AM
No, I get em from CNN, Fox, NBC, CBS, and ABC.
You; like the majority of Americans, are the reason why the government can and will get away with doing whatever they want.
All news, other than FOX is clearly Anti-Bush, thus biased, and working with thier own objectives.
The governemt does not get away with stuff. We here in California, were sick of bastard politicians and thier lies. We booted out that ass Davis and now we have the Terminator, which is almost is as Democrat in some ways. People need to get angry about things, and they will.
Your a 20 year old kid. What in the hell makes you an expert on anything? I dont care if your in college right now, and a physics student, which I doubt, otherwise, you would put some damned formula up there to prove the destruction of the WTC. I think your full of crap.
You; like the majority of Americans, are the reason why the government can and will get away with doing whatever they want.
All news, other than FOX is clearly Anti-Bush, thus biased, and working with thier own objectives.
The governemt does not get away with stuff. We here in California, were sick of bastard politicians and thier lies. We booted out that ass Davis and now we have the Terminator, which is almost is as Democrat in some ways. People need to get angry about things, and they will.
Your a 20 year old kid. What in the hell makes you an expert on anything? I dont care if your in college right now, and a physics student, which I doubt, otherwise, you would put some damned formula up there to prove the destruction of the WTC. I think your full of crap.
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