Slipping course :(

Civic1.6 16v and I went to a slipping course yesterday, and today I noticed my rear wheels make a strange sound now. I probably didn't hear it yesterday because of the hard rain. It’s a kind of zooming sound. I think it’s something with the bearings… braking doesn’t affect the sound, speed difference and cornering does. I think I can’t charge the ‘slipping course company’ prodrive with it, they very likely will say it’s because of the age of my car (just 6 years) and ‘normal’ wear. I’m kinda p i s s e d about it.
Sorry I didn't tell you all what we've done, I'm not in the mood... well okay, I'll do. We had some braking tests on a special prepared slippery road. There they showed us the difference in braking distence needed with 40 and 60 km/h. And it's true, it makes a big difference. We also drove in a 'kom-baan', a piece of track with steepy made bends in it (60 degrees!!!), driving this at low speeds felt realy weird, like you could fall out of your car. When driving at high speeds it really felt great, you can drive 120 km/h through the bend with no needs for steering.
We also did a slalom course with 18 people. Cicic 16v1.6i was about 0.7 sec. faster (total about 21 / 22 sec) , we were not the fastes, but were in the upper part of the list :) . not to bad compared with a 206 with a modified 406 2 liter engine in it (170-180 horses) who was first.
We also drove a drove in some kind of circle... we had to maximize the speed till the car get's oversteared. Only my car doesn't get's oversteared but understeared, so I made some 360's. I think that's where I damaged my (probably) bearings. I there hit some bumbs near the road, sideways(?).
We couldn't make any pictures, it was prohibited to make them!! We made some 'sneaky' pictures but they are not really spectacular.

Just like Accord said above. :D

We wanted to make some pics, but when I asked Accord to make
some pics of me we were in the same team to do the test.
So neither of us could make a pic of a Honda slipping and turning ;)

I made some pics of a Peugeot slipping, but nobody in here is waiting to see a Peugeot, right? :p

Maybe I have some pics when we have an AF Europe Forum Meeting :cool:

Originally posted by civic_1.6_16v

Maybe I have some pics when we have an AF Europe Forum Meeting :cool:

We should do something like that

Originally posted by civic_1.6_16v
I made some pics of a Peugeot slipping, but nobody in here is waiting to see a Peugeot, right? :p I´m eating Peugots for breakfast now!:smoka: ;)

Originally posted by Veetec
I´m eating Peugots for breakfast now!:smoka: ;)
Me too, they're too small though, not very filling :silly:

Originally posted by Veetec
I´m eating Peugots for breakfast now!:smoka: ;)

Yummy yummy- good food :alien2:

Sounds like it was a nice and good experience (except for the little problem on your car AccordCE8) do you really learn stuff there? like getting out of a bad slip or is it just good fun with a bit of "oh I didn't know that" thingies?

BTW, what's a Peugeot :confused:
















:finger:

pqugeot is not my choice 2, I wouldn't buy it, never! but did you now you can buy a new 106 gti for €15000 ?? Complete with (nice) spoilers, automatic windows, etc. in about 8.5 sec. to 100 km/h !
Just one minute ago I heard that friend of mine with the peugeot 106 is going to change it for a new gti. Hmmm... i'm going to be the slowest of all now... I must buy a new car like everyone else!!! AAHHHH

Originally posted by AccordCE8
... i'm going to be the slowest of all now...

You'll get used to it soon enough;) (I'm speaking from personal experience)

Originally posted by Goosse


You'll get used to it soon enough;) (I'm speaking from personal experience)

mmmm....:confused:

Hi, I am the guy who is trading in his trusty 1.1i for the GTi!

I went to the ANTI-slip course :D with AccordCE8 and Civic 1.6i and I must say it really opened my eyes!

I used to drive way too close behind other people, as they ALWAYS drive too slowly (you know what it's like!)
(of niet AccordCE8!), now I use the '2-second' rule...


Personally I like Peugeot; not all of them, but the latest models? Yeah!! And I don't think you can compare Hondas with the Pugs. Why? They are meant for totally different kinds of driving!

Honda's are very good cars, especially on a straight line (i.e. highways) whereas Pugs are more the car for rallye-style driving; which I myself find rather interesting :)

Oh, a well oiled GTi with one person and half a tank of gas can do 0-60 mph in 7.4 secs (Evo-magzine numbers!)

Perhaps we can have a meeting here in Holland between you lot and the guys from www.peugeotperformance.com ??

Let me know :devil:

(oh, and MasterG? Try a 607, you'll be full before you have half of it finished! :D )

Greetings my Honda-fans!
Sidney

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?
Hi, I am the guy who is trading in his trusty 1.1i for the GTi!

I went to the ANTI-slip course :D with AccordCE8 and Civic 1.6i and I must say it really opened my eyes!

Greetings my Honda-fans!
Sidney

He Sidney, how is life????
I heard you were trading your 1.1 for a GTI?
That must be a real different feeling to drive :D

O BTW did you know there is also a Peugeot Forum here on AF?
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f767/

Hey, nice some Peugeot feedback!
First of all, I have nothing against Peugeots I was just playing before, I kinda like the 106 I have driven several and it's a nice semi-fast car, the new GTI is very nice and the price tag is not bad at all. I can't say I really like the 206 but the 406 coupe is a real beauty.

You said Honda's are good on straight lines, sure they can do that quite well but Honda's "specialty" is cornering, ever seen an ITR at the track?
Even my old '88 1.3 Civic had double wishbone suspension.

And, not everyone will agree with me here but I don't think that the type of sport the manufacturer is in has anything to do with the road cars they produce, those rally cars only look the same it's a totally different car. If you ride your Honda and Peugeot in the dirt, they both suck :)

I'm not trying to flame your post or anything just telling my opinion.
nice to have a Peugeot man on the board here :)

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?
Hi, I am the guy who is trading in his trusty 1.1i for the GTi!

I went to the ANTI-slip course :D with AccordCE8 and Civic 1.6i and I must say it really opened my eyes!

I used to drive way too close behind other people, as they ALWAYS drive too slowly (you know what it's like!)
(of niet AccordCE8!), now I use the '2-second' rule...


Personally I like Peugeot; not all of them, but the latest models? Yeah!! And I don't think you can compare Hondas with the Pugs. Why? They are meant for totally different kinds of driving!

Honda's are very good cars, especially on a straight line (i.e. highways) whereas Pugs are more the car for rallye-style driving; which I myself find rather interesting :)

Oh, a well oiled GTi with one person and half a tank of gas can do 0-60 mph in 7.4 secs (Evo-magzine numbers!)

Perhaps we can have a meeting here in Holland between you lot and the guys from www.peugeotperformance.com ??

Let me know :devil:

(oh, and MasterG? Try a 607, you'll be full before you have half of it finished! :D )

Greetings my Honda-fans!
Sidney Hi Sidney! Welcome to AF/PH wether you´re driving a Honda or not!:)
IMO you can compare Hondas and Peugeots very well because actually most of the street versions of both brands are ff and not 4WD or fr! Only the Peugeot Rally car is built for real rallies as far as I know but you won´t find it on the streets. But I agree that they have got some nice looking cars. The only thing I don´t really like is their engines! They seem kind of "unreliable" to me and especially the bigger, more sporty engines (like the 3.0l V6 with 207hp of the 406 Break Sport, Coupe, or 607) accelerate really "slow" for their size and the weight of their chassis! They are only good for top-speed thus for the highways. ( I don´t want to imagine how fast a Accord V6 Coupe would be with a manual tranny!:D Engine-specs are the same except for the auto-tranny.)
I know the Evo magazine very well too because a friend of mine has ordered it. It´s a very nice magazine but I wonder under what conditions they´re taking the numbers of the cars?? IMO it´s impossible to reach their acceleration numbers if you´re not a well trained driver. I saw some of their videos and the driver was definetly "well trained"! He was driving through corners with I dunno what speed while talking to the camera to his left (most of the time with a big grin in his face :D ).

Nice to see some feedback Sidney, and in response, well actually Bracer said it all, I agree 100% with him. Peugeot are nice cars, but they don't have the engine reliability of Honda. I love the 406 Coupe though, beautiful car :) As for Hondas being only a highway car, I strongly disagree, they're at home on corners, hence the quality suspension. Nice to hear from you though, stick around :silly:

Originally posted by TheMasterG
As for Hondas being only a highway car, I strongly disagree, they're at home on corners, hence the quality suspension. Nice to hear from you though, stick around :silly: Agreed! Forgot to write that last night!;) I think japan doesn´t have got many straight highways and they are only allowed to drive with a top-speed of 100km/h so that there is no need for a high top-speed.

about good cornering quality's... my slalom-times were at the top of the list, and I had the biggest car of all! :devil: Sidney :devil:

:D

and the 406 coupe is a real beauty...

hehehe!

it looks like I hit a sensitive spot here! What I meant to say was, concerning the engine that is, Hondas feel really at home at high RPM, right? Right. High rpm is helpful for speed, not cornering, right? Right. Torque is!

Didn't mean to diss anybody here, but I think it is true that Hondas have longer wheelbases (in general) than the average Pug (106, 205, 205, 306), hence sharp cornering is somewhat dampened by this...

Hondas are without doubt the best combination of high-performance high-tech engines, reliability and design (somewhat dwindling however, with the dawning of the new-style Civic, although I would LOVE to test the Type-R someday!). I myself like hatchbacks and the French are quite good at designing those.

Concerning the motorsport I have to disagree! At www.peugeotboutique.com , which is an official Peugeot site!, you can buy everything to convert yer Pug into a fire-breathin' rally machine!!

Does Honda has anything similar? Would be cool! (expensive, I think)

I agree with the rest of the world: the 406 is without a doubt one of the best looking cars EVER! (not the fastes, that's a real shame...)

Do you agree with me when I say, Hondas are too expensive to buy new? They just aim at people not so young with rather good income!
What is the cheapest Honda you can buy? The Logo?

Wow, quitte some text here! Sorry, these were just my thought!
Sidney

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?
hehehe!

it looks like I hit a sensitive spot here! What I meant to say was, concerning the engine that is, Hondas feel really at home at high RPM, right? Right. High rpm is helpful for speed, not cornering, right? Right. Torque is!

Concerning the motorsport I have to disagree! At www.peugeotboutique.com , which is an official Peugeot site!, you can buy everything to convert yer Pug into a fire-breathin' rally machine!!

Does Honda has anything similar? Would be cool! (expensive, I think)



Honda isn't that ralley orientated. They feel more at home at the track. (Spoon, Mugen)

Why can't you keep your engine into the RPM's when you take turns? As long as the turn isn't to sharp I can easely keep my RPM between the 4000-4500 rpm.

BTW: nice to have some input from a Pug fan.:)

that is what I mean! SHARP turns, or things like roundabouts!

rallye (sorry, french spelling;)) is throwing the car over the rally-course
whereas track-driving is horsepower! (see what I mean!?)

AccordCE8's car is a real nice car to drive! Thing is, it is not a real sharphandling car which you can use to take corners with say 65 km/hr... Mine can... (with dry weather!;)). It is however a very relaxing car to drive in, mine being a bit nervous (with the GTi being completely frantic I reckon!)

And it was pretty fast during the slalom (what's it called in English??); it was pretty obvious it had a bit of a problem getting it around those orange cones... Even with the great Eibach springs it had body-roll, nevertheless...

I think the whole 'feel' for Honda or Peugeot (or BMW or whatever) is very personal and arguing about it has no use ;) although it is always good fun!!

Pardonnez moi, ma voiture? C'est une Peugeot!

BTW is Mugen part of Honda or not?? :huh:

(so can you get Honda-race stuff to convert your Honda to a streetfighter?)

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?

I think the whole 'feel' for Honda or Peugeot (or BMW or whatever) is very personal and arguing about it has no use ;) although it is always good fun!!


Damn, and I had just a hole line of arguments lined up:D ;)

Originally posted by Goosse


Damn, and I had just a hole line of arguments lined up:D ;)

He Goosse, I thought we had this discussion a couple of days ago
And that was going nowhere, so why start now again :D :rolleyes:

Nah just kidding

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?
hehehe!

it looks like I hit a sensitive spot here! What I meant to say was, concerning the engine that is, Hondas feel really at home at high RPM, right? Right. High rpm is helpful for speed, not cornering, right? Right. Torque is!

Didn't mean to diss anybody here, but I think it is true that Hondas have longer wheelbases (in general) than the average Pug (106, 205, 205, 306), hence sharp cornering is somewhat dampened by this...

Hondas are without doubt the best combination of high-performance high-tech engines, reliability and design (somewhat dwindling however, with the dawning of the new-style Civic, although I would LOVE to test the Type-R someday!). I myself like hatchbacks and the French are quite good at designing those.

Concerning the motorsport I have to disagree! At www.peugeotboutique.com , which is an official Peugeot site!, you can buy everything to convert yer Pug into a fire-breathin' rally machine!!

Does Honda has anything similar? Would be cool! (expensive, I think)

I agree with the rest of the world: the 406 is without a doubt one of the best looking cars EVER! (not the fastes, that's a real shame...)

Do you agree with me when I say, Hondas are too expensive to buy new? They just aim at people not so young with rather good income!
What is the cheapest Honda you can buy? The Logo?

Wow, quitte some text here! Sorry, these were just my thought!
Sidney Don´t worry. You haven´t dissed anybody!;) But you´re right with most (:D ;) ) what you´ve said! I like Peugeots too but I just wouldn´t buy any other brand than Honda in the moment. I´m kind of stuck to them....:D
Mugen is its own brand and it`s only offering parts for Hondas. Their stuff is good quality but way too expensive compared to the power gains!!!

Originally posted by Goosse
...Why can't you keep your engine into the RPM's when you take turns? As long as the turn isn't to sharp I can easely keep my RPM between the 4000-4500 rpm...
You really wanna be keeping it higher than that if you're pushing the car, if you've got a VTEC engine, keep it over 5,500rpm where the power is, I keep mine over 5000rpm when I'm driving hard thru corners :silly:

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?
...AccordCE8's car is a real nice car to drive! Thing is, it is not a real sharphandling car which you can use to take corners with say 65 km/hr... Mine can... (with dry weather!;)). It is however a very relaxing car to drive in, mine being a bit nervous (with the GTi being completely frantic I reckon!)...
True but you're comparing an Accord to a Pug, of course the Pug will turn tighter, a Civic is a different story however :p

You're right!

Civic 1.6 16V's Civic :) was really fast on the slalom!!

the Accord has been the only Honda to date in which I had the pleasure to drive!

:D:D WHAT WERE YOUR ARGUMENTS!! :D :D


(way cool, discussing things like this!)

I think we all agree on one thing: we may like Hondas, we may like Pugs, but we all HATE Opels, Daewoos, Hyundais, VW's, Mercedes (I do at least!), Kia,euh... Toyota? hmm...

and we LOVE BMW!, SUBARU! (only one model, that is :D), AUDI!, PORSCHE!, VOLVO!, SAAB!

anything else!?!?

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?
You're right!

Civic 1.6 16V's Civic :) was really fast on the slalom!!

the Accord has been the only Honda to date in which I had the pleasure to drive!

:D:D WHAT WERE YOUR ARGUMENTS!! :D :D


(way cool, discussing things like this!)

I think we all agree on one thing: we may like Hondas, we may like Pugs, but we all HATE Opels, Daewoos, Hyundais, VW's, Mercedes (I do at least!), Kia,euh... Toyota? hmm...

and we LOVE BMW!, SUBARU! (only one model, that is :D), AUDI!, PORSCHE!, VOLVO!, SAAB!

anything else!?!? Personally I like Mercedes too but dislike Saab and Volvo! Toyota is not that good but I like Lexus again!:D But like you´ve already said I hate Opel and VW!!!! But I don´t want to start about that again....;)

Originally posted by Veetec
But like you´ve already said I hate Opel and VW!!!! But I don´t want to start about that again....;)

Yeah I agree with that :rolleyes:

Lets just keep it friendly in here :D

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?
Civic 1.6 16V's Civic :) was really fast on the slalom!!



O stop it, you make me blush :silly2: :hehehe:

No really, If I were really fast I would have won that trophee. :devil:

But it was the first time for me drving a slalom course
So in that case I think I didn't do that bad
The nr. 1 position had 20 secs. if I could remeber correctly
And my fastest time (out of 3 runs) was 22.something secs
But the guy that won had the modified car with the 405 engine at 170-180 horses.

nice to read all that pro - contra posts :D well done sidney

Luckily i was away for a few days so didn't had 2 type in all that arguments and so on. But honda is still number one after reading all the argument I conclude :bandit:

Bringing my accord to the dealer monday, Hope I'm not 2 mad monday evening because that day will cost me a lot of money I think, the distribution belt has 2 be replaced also!

Originally posted by civic_1.6_16v


Yeah I agree with that :rolleyes:

Lets just keep it friendly in here :D I think discussions like that are okay as long as nobody is using words which will make others feel attacked (offended?) by them!:)

:D

Civic 1.6i, competition was fierce!!

Maaikel, the guy who won, had an 205GTi with a 180 bhp 405 1.9 16V engine
The 205 weighs in at about 780 kg standard, whereas he didn;t even had a backseat!! (+ rallye-seats, beiing light too) I estimate the car is about 745 kg's, combine that with 180 bhp....

Also, that thing is stiffer than stiff as he normally takes it out on the Nordschleife of the Nurburgring! So: WELL DONE!

Concerning the other brands: lets keep it to this:
Sir, there are Hondas, there are Peugeots... but thats about it...
:D

I do think Honda and Peugeot enthusiast are among the most fanatic!

Also, I have decided to actually buy the GTi!

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?
[BAlso, I have decided to actually buy the GTi! [/B]

Really???? Wow that was a fast decision you made there

Or were you thinking about it awhile?
Now you can really start racing
How much HP will the GTi have you are gonna buy??

when I bought the 60 hp 1.1, it was the only engine available unfortunately...
after some months the 1.4i came and after that even the GTi again!!

I thought of an engine-transplant, but it would be something like 6000 euros...

But as I now have the oppurtunity, I am gonna buy the real deal!

106 GTi
1.6 16V engine
120-130 hp (Peugeot is not sure... there is something called EGR now incorporated in the engine manifold, supposedly giving some more hp)
145 Nm torque

0-100kph: 8,2 secs (Autoweek measurements)
0-60 mph (0-96kph): 7,2 secs (Evo figures)

I will have my current alloys fitted on the GTi, being 14" 13-spoke Allessio rims and will be fitted with 185/55R14 tyres. Also the car will be lowered using the current Eibach springs (approx -25 mm); Sparco strutbrace, armrest, full leather/alcantara trim, pedals, everything electrical, power steering, Devil XL 102mm exhaust, ABS...

:)

colour? Gris Aluminium! Or: silver... best looking colour I reckon!

can't wait

sorry dudes, just found this movie:

http://hermes.spaceports.com/~106gti/videos/drag/20000730/12.mpg

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?
sorry dudes, just found this movie:

http://hermes.spaceports.com/~106gti/videos/drag/20000730/12.mpg Doesn´t matter that the link doesn´t work properly!!:D

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?
0-100kph: 8,2 secs (Autoweek measurements)
0-60 mph (0-96kph): 7,2 secs (Evo figures)
Even if I like the 106GTi very much I´m pretty sure about it that you won´t reach the numbers published by Evo! As far as I know they take these numbers from tests on tracks and their test-drivers are trained well to be able to drive a car as fast as possible!....not like us "wannabe-racers"!;) :D
But IMO it doesn´t matter at the because there be always somebody who´s faster than you.
Well, I hope that you´ll find a nice one! Good luck!:)

Originally posted by Veetec
Doesn´t matter that the link doesn´t work properly!!:D

The link does work (at least 4 me it didi :D)

Just right click your mouse, and "save target ass" LOL

If I saw the clip correctly it was a race between a Pug GTI and a Honda Civic
And sorry that I am the GTI wins :(

O dang now I spoiled the end

grrr, internet explorer...

http://hermes.spaceports.com/~106gti/
and then see 'dragrace'

a civic VTEC is also destroyed :devil:

I know about the figures, but it is true that Peugeot does the 0-100 with two medium sized persons, 20 kg of luggage an a full tank-o-gas!

I drive alone most of the times :D

(oh, don't need to find one, I'm gonna buy it new...)


is it possible for a standard GTi to outrun a Civic VTEC?? what engine does that machine have??? it MUST be fast, innit!??!

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?
grrr, internet explorer...

http://hermes.spaceports.com/~106gti/
and then see 'dragrace'

a civic VTEC is also destroyed :devil:

I know about the figures, but it is true that Peugeot does the 0-100 with two medium sized persons, 20 kg of luggage an a full tank-o-gas!

I drive alone most of the times :D

(oh, don't need to find one, I'm gonna buy it new...)


is it possible for a standard GTi to outrun a Civic VTEC?? what engine does that machine have??? it MUST be fast, innit!??! Do you mean the 7,2 seconds (from Evo magazine) or the one from Autoweek (8,2 sec)? If we would believe to the Evo measurements than the Civic VTi (1.6l DOHC VTEC with about 160hp) would be faster with 7,0 seconds from 0-100km/h (compared to the 7,2 seconds of the 106 GTi)! Oh well,...the Civic has got about 30 horses more!:D But I think it will depend on the driver, too!

You know, all those 0-100km/h figures don't say sh*t. On the streets a car which does the 0-100 in 8.0 sec can be just as fast as a 7.5 sec car.
It all just depends on the amount of fuel in the car, if the car has heavy a$$ subs, if the car is in good condition, if the car hits 100km/h in 2nd or 3rd and most important as veetec said the driver of the car.
I think in general you can say that two cars which do the 0-100 below 8sec whether it is 7.3 or 7.8 are close and it all depends on the factors listed above which one will win. Don't stare too much at those performance figures ;)

Originally posted by bracer
You know, all those 0-100km/h figures don't say sh*t. On the streets a car which does the 0-100 in 8.0 sec can be just as fast as a 7.5 sec car.
It all just depends on the amount of fuel in the car, if the car has heavy a$$ subs, if the car is in good condition, if the car hits 100km/h in 2nd or 3rd and most important as veetec said the driver of the car.
I think in general you can say that two cars which do the 0-100 below 8sec whether it is 7.3 or 7.8 are close and it all depends on the factors listed above which one will win. Don't stare too much at those performance figures ;) I agree completely!! Good that you´ve mentioned that!

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?


is it possible for a standard GTi to outrun a Civic VTEC?? what engine does that machine have??? it MUST be fast, innit!??!

Well, there are a lot of Civic VTEC's, a 1.5l Vtec (115hp), a 1.6l Vtec (125hp) (both SOHC) and a 1.6l DOHC (the VTi) with 160 hp. I can't see the race so I can't tell with version it was.

I agree, with some wheelspin, you're wasted!

with the 1.1 60hp version I am driving now, you can beat a lot of car too, as it is well below 800 kg!!

on a good day, I take on any average car! (average meaning, no Hondas :) or anything with letters like G, S, i , V :D)

although I beat an old Civic Aerodeck once...

when the engine is driven-in (or how do you say that??) after about 2500 km, I will borrow a little machine to measure the 0-100 time

... maybe we can do it for several cars!...


oh yeah: going to the red line in '1' is propably not soo handy as your revs may be above the max-torque in '2'...

Got my accord back again, luckily my bearings are ok, I'm very pleased with that news. The tires are making the noise according to the mechanics, very strange, the inside of the tires is 'bumpy' (?). Well, I don't care about that, it saves me a lot of money :p
My distribution belt and radiator had to be replaced, €600 all together, it's still a lot of money, but less then I expected.

pfew...

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?
pfew...

:confused: :confused:

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?
pfew... At first it could mean "Pfew, 600 Euro are a lot of money for a distribution belt and radiator!" or second "Pfew, you´ve had good luck with that!" (look at the last post of the third page)
;)

Originally posted by Veetec
At first it could mean "Pfew, 600 Euro are a lot of money for a distribution belt and radiator!" or second "Pfew, you´ve had good luck with that!" (look at the last post of the third page)
;)

Damn, I need to get some sleep;) :D

Originally posted by Sidney106GTi?

is it possible for a standard GTi to outrun a Civic VTEC?? what engine does that machine have??? it MUST be fast, innit!??!

If u encounter a MB6 Civic with its 1.8l DOHC engine ure almost dead:frog: -ure shifting into second gear, the civic laughes :D, ure shifting into 3rd gear, the civic gives a party ;)
No really, Ive driven such a thing and lol what a fun- trust me it is fast as hell, especially due to the extremely long gear ratios- no problem with driving 70kph in the first gear.
I myself think that gear ratios are very important for the acceleration, a friend of mine has a MA8 civic with 90hp. Some days ago a Opel Calibra with 115 hp and 2 liters stood next to him on a light. They both started good, the Calibra followed him with no difference until he shifted into the second- from that point my friend pulled away from him- he simply could gain more speed until he had to shift. Another thing I noticed was that when u shift with most cars up (maybe into second gear) ure loosing much of the power ure having on a honda this phenomen is much smaller!