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Jed_Atreides
06-03-2004, 01:17 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33740&item=2480218144

Came across this on Ebay while surfing on google looking for apexi AFCs. (Don't ask me how it went there...)

Is it a legit technology? As in a real NOS that works, or is it like those speed mod chip scam that sends you a few resistors? Would this thing damage the engin in anyway in the long run?

Any information provided would be great. Desperate to speed up my car on a VERY limited budget...

1gspot
06-03-2004, 11:16 AM
hmmm looks extremely shady actually, extremely is an understatment. My friend had a bicycle pump that looked a lot like that except he put CO2 in it instead of N2O. Then the tube that comes with it would be easy to find too. It seems to me that they took a bunch of non auto parts and put it together into a dangerous, N2O application, You can buy little cartriges of n2o like that from whipping cream stores. The biggest problem i sense is that the system adds no extra fuel to your engine. And you cant really make more power without more fuel. That system is bottom line ghetto,unsafe, and unpracticle, using what is shown in the picture I dont beleive you would see any real gains in power, not to mention if u were spraying something like that and something went wrong, there is no way to stop it til it runs out. Because that "trigger device" punctures the cartrige and it wont stop until its empty. dear god. Always you get what u pay for, but in this case they should be paying u money for all the damage their system will cause.

96Civ
06-03-2004, 09:04 PM
Looks like CO2 tanks painted blue! And I have that "trigger system"... its a CO2 Tire Pump! You wouldn't get 30+ hp. You would probably lose 30 horses because your injecting non-combustable CO2 into your engine? :screwy:

And I dissagree with you 1gspot about it being released all at once. When you screw it in it punctures the canister and then you use the trigger to release the CO2

I think I'm going to email the seller and mess with him. I will report back!

1gspot
06-03-2004, 09:29 PM
hmmm maybe ur right it was my friends tire pump not mine, jesus what bull, those people need to be kicked off ebay

Jed_Atreides
06-03-2004, 10:54 PM
Hello 1gspot, I got your msg on aim, I was away so I couldn't respond in time, sorry about that.

As for that cheater nitrus, I agree with all of you above. It looked fishy to me but I was desperate enough to go for it, that's why I wanted some professional opinion. Thanks for the advice and glad I posted here.

:2cents: I'm among the ranks of poor college students with only $1k for car mod. I don't want drastic face lift nor internal surgery. I just want a simple 30-50 hp upgrade. I used to drive a v6, now downgraded to a 4 cyl and feels like I live in a slow-mo world... :disappoin

Once again, thanks for the info, guys.

SiGNAL748
06-04-2004, 02:16 AM
well the fact that its called "cheater nitrous".....

:rolleyes:

96Civ
06-04-2004, 02:27 AM
The thing that gets me most is that he gets really good feedback reviews... wtf? I have seen a few of them say the kit "doesn't work" but it looks like people leave feedback without even trying it first.

1gspot
06-04-2004, 09:14 AM
hmmm well if uve got 1 grand...get a real nitrous system, and maybe intake or exhuast if u dont have that done already

MrCas
06-04-2004, 09:29 AM
1g can get you a fair amount of parts if you look for em. go on ebay and you can get some good deals. just check out what your buying first.

Jed_Atreides
06-04-2004, 01:19 PM
Most ppl on ebay leave feedback soon as they received item, thanking the fast shipping. THEN by the time the item is used and found unsatisfactory, it's too late... I think I've washed my hand of that 'cheater' kit. Don't feel like paying $60 for something I used to use back in high shool with those wood CO2 cars. :(

So far from reading in here, and some other places, I understand a complete kit requires the turbo, waste gate, intercooler, turbo header, blow off valve. Then the other misc gauges, vavles, hoses...

Problem is a complete kit costs so much more, and I've seen stuff on ebay selling parts here and there, and I can definatly get most of them around $600-$800 total. But my car is only a F22B2 engin, and so far, all I see is ppl recommend an engin swap off that engin first before going turbo... I just don't have the dough for that, and I'm afraid turboing that to hastely would not make my car go zoom-zoom but go boom-boom. :banghead:

96Civ
06-04-2004, 01:37 PM
Well man if your really a metal head, you can convert it to v-tec by yourself and might have enough money left over for a really small and cheap turbocharger.

I found a link of a guy doing this:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=776837

Jed_Atreides
06-17-2004, 03:32 AM
Haha, thank you for thinking so highly of me and my knowledge...
If I was a metalhead, I wouldn't be in here asking noobilicious questions. But thanks for the help and links. :)

T-Racer
06-17-2004, 11:56 AM
Jed, save your money until you can afford an engine swap.

96Civ
06-17-2004, 12:27 PM
noobilicious? Sounds like a new bubblegum to me. :lol2:

Jed_Atreides
06-17-2004, 12:30 PM
My plan is, if I can afford an engine swap, I'd get a different car first, something lighter and 2 doors. But as for my current car, just using it as a lab rat and carefully mod it to learn the steps in modding a car well and modding it safe.
Not something that acclerates like a space shuttle and ends up in a twisted heap of burning metal w/ me in the middle.

omg... it rhymes, and I did it unintentionally. Man, English 101 sure paid off.

T-Racer
06-17-2004, 03:22 PM
that's also a good idea. best of luck.

mrchris1979
06-23-2004, 11:29 AM
If you are in need of immediate power and not enough cash to build turbo or swap then go with a wet nitrous kit. I would suggest NX with the GenX2 upgrade kit this will put you at the $800 mark. A always tell others to get wet kits primarily because the system relies on its own fuel supply via the fuel solenoid. Dry kits are good too, but your power output is limited to how much pressure your stock injectors can handle. With NX you can get the option of installing a fuel pressure safety swith so if your fuel pump fails, nitrous flow is also cut off. ZEX is another option for less costs for about $600. It requires three wires to install and you are ready to go. I prefer NX because their kits can be used from street all the way to full race sytems with shots of 100+ HP. I am using NX on my CRX d16 Sohc and I've ran a 17.5 all motor to a 15.3 on a 50 shot with stock internals and no engine mods. No weight cuts and A/C still intact. A two second time cut requires some skill to pull off on the 1/4 mile, but I've done it consistently. I've gone through eight 15 pound bottles and the motor still runs perfect. Also get an A/F gauge to be extra safe and If you spray a lot expect to get a new clutch if your stock one has a lot of miles in it. On the F22 I would assume a 75 shot would be a good dose but always start on the smaller shot and go from there. I can keep going on this subject, so if you have any specific questions let me know.

My plan is, if I can afford an engine swap, I'd get a different car first, something lighter and 2 doors. But as for my current car, just using it as a lab rat and carefully mod it to learn the steps in modding a car well and modding it safe.
Not something that acclerates like a space shuttle and ends up in a twisted heap of burning metal w/ me in the middle.

omg... it rhymes, and I did it unintentionally. Man, English 101 sure paid off.

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