Infinity's boast!

I have a thread identical to this one in the focus area. The thread is about how Infinity with a radio add for the G35 is declaring it the next muscle car. Who, other than me, thinks this is nuts? I think it's crap because the only cars that will ever be muscle cars are American made, not imports. Like Mustangs, Camaros, Cobras, Corvettes, Vipers, etc. Not some wannabe piece of tin crap.

Agreed, but rice can be fast.

My good friend just bought an 04 G35. And it is very nice. Make no mistake about it, at 287 stock HP, it is fast.........but we ran twice...I still won both times. It doesn't make near the torque that my stang does, even though it is probably making more RWHP. FYI, passed him on the 2-3 shift. :smokin:

I have a thread identical to this one in the focus area. The thread is about how Infinity with a radio add for the G35 is declaring it the next muscle car. Who, other than me, thinks this is nuts? I think it's crap because the only cars that will ever be muscle cars are American made, not imports. Like Mustangs, Camaros, Cobras, Corvettes, Vipers, etc. Not some wannabe piece of tin crap.

The only muscle cars are american made plain and fuckin' simple, hands down, case closed! And thats the bottom line because StangRacer says so!!! :smokin:

I'm glad you guys agree. I mean, I like the car, but how dare the company proclaim the car to be something it will never be. The forum I had in the Focus forum was moved to the Infiniti forum. Some guy calls me an idiot over there to. Some people have no respect.

hey a v6 that runs a 14.1, im impressed

hey a v6 that runs a 14.1, im impressed

Impressive, yes, but not a muscle car.... you proved it with the first 3 words of your post. It HAS to have a 90* v8 to be a muscle car. And at least 281ci under the hood.

I concur, duplox.

Hey wat about australian muscle?Look at this aussie legend below.It ran a 351 in 71' and it still to a part owns the road.There are also newer GTs which are somthing in the range of 290Kw and 515Nm of torque.Now in my book thats muscle.

Aussie is a lot like america for cars.. Thats the only country other than the US that I'll agree can produce muscle cars. After all, the aussies produced ford's best smallblock from the musclecar haydays for a lot longer than we did in the US! we made the 351c for 4 years, they did more like 12! All the best 351c parts come from australia(alloy heads, intakes, etc), so I definately consider australia a muscle car worthy land! Their parts are makin sure the ricers stay good and far behind me.

yea, only domestic cars car be muscle cars... their are other cars there were like muscle cars, but its not the same thing. although, i wouldn't go around calling a fox body mustang a muscle car.. i mean there nice, and afast car for sure, but a muscle car? i dunno..

yea, only domestic cars car be muscle cars... their are other cars there were like muscle cars, but its not the same thing. although, i wouldn't go around calling a fox body mustang a muscle car.. i mean there nice, and afast car for sure, but a muscle car? i dunno..

You know I really hope your kidding, either that or you just ran out of stuff to say. If a mustang, fox body or not doesn't qualify as a muscle car I don't know what the hell does. Give me a break.

...Infinity...Infiniti. Just sayin'. ...with a radio add for the G35 is declaring it the next muscle car.Are you sure it wasn't the M45? I think they were going with the "muscle car" campaign for that one, which is closer to the original idea for a muscle car: take a pedestrian sedan, put in V8. It's a Nissan V8, but what're'ya'gonna do? :dunno:

Why dont you run my buddies Fox body mustang, he's got a stroked 351c(406) in it. Any inifinity ever beats that thing and i will buy imports the rest of my life. I witnessed a guy, with a 92 Z28, had a 383 stroker in it; He backed down from a race. If it's american and one of the big three, it's muscle. No questions.

p.s.- Chrysler doesn't count anymore, they were bought out by the Germans.

351c's haul ass. Stroke them and you fill those huge ports better.. either that, or leave them stock stroke and rev the shit out of them... To me, the ultimate "small block" ford. I'm takin the 3rd route with mine, forced induction... hopefully get 600hp to the wheels with the c4, but if it breaks, in goes a toploader and up goes the boost! The motor is being built to handle around 700.
Big slicks on a narrowed 9 inch pushing the front wheels off the ground with a big v8 screaming at 8000rpm is the definition of muscle for me!

I also think it was the M45. Even with the 4.5 V8, it is not a muscle car. A sporty sedan, but not a muscle car.

yeah in 1971 a ford factory team with allan moffat ran a mechanically injected 351c at a huge 600hp and 11 inch rears and 10 inch fronts.they called it the superfalcon.it was a legend and still is.If i had a 351c i would put it up to that spec.

Hey, I've driven an Infinity G35 coupe and it would outperform many old big V-8 powered American cars that you guys would call muscle cars! To consider only American cars "muscle cars" is pretty narrow minded. To me it is the actual performance of a car that determines whether it is a "muscle car". :2cents:

hey 1g1yy the rough definition of a muscle car is America built car with large c.i. engines (back in the day) so it really isnt narrow minded to think that, to say an import is a musle car is like saying chinese food is really american. thats my thoughts anyway. the car may be fast yes alot of imports are but think of this a muscle car weights alot more than cars now if a hemi charger weighed as much as an eclipse (with the hemi still in it) it would waste just about anything

In my view the basic concept of a muscle car is the big motor in the little car AKA the original GTP/LeMans Big motor in little car. Now an import car that is RWD and "small" is technicaly a "muscle car". Even though I dont like the car, I think that some of you guys need to be a little softer with this. Besides its just a marketing thing for them to say this.

As I wrote, to me a muscle car does not necessarily have to be American built. Of-course if you specifically say, or write, "American muscle car", then that refers to American built muscle cars. :rolleyes:

Look, I'm no fan of fart-pipe equipped ricers -- in fact I own a Corvette that I love -- but I see your arbitrarily narrow definition of "muscle car" simply as a way to exclude anything not American built. Many of you have a snobbish need to bash imports because it gives you something in common that makes you feel you are superior -- part of a clique, an exclusive group. The ricer crowd is the same way. This is VERY juvenile! Why not try being, just simply, car enthusiasts? Personally I like all interesting cars. :2cents:

God bless America is all I can say. This may be selfish, but even though I own a Toyota all my parents drive are Chevy's and I think that is teh way to be because it is our money for our economie. This is why im moving to Japan, because then it will be my economy over there. Just my opinion.

Oh yeah, my dad has a 1971 Mach One Mustang with a 351W 4 speed and factory bright green (repainted about 11 years ago) It Is a great car, it just has some small cosmetic faulties such as missing the mustang symbol on the steering wheel, scratches on plastic rear part of the front seats, and some other stuff. It is a great car and I believe he is asking $10,000 for it. Pics may come up later. Car was just detailed too.

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America and Australia are equally lands of great muscle cars, here in Australia we had the "supercar scare" of 1972, which meant that Ford was making a Phase IV GT-HO, capable of around 270kph and doing well over 400HP "IN STOCK FORM", this following the Phase III GT-HO which was, and still is regarded as the best car EVER produced in Australia. At the time Holden was looking at making a V8 Torana (Torana = small coupe, outran V8's with triple carb 6, now highly collectable) and a 427ci Monaro, and Chrysler was looking at making a 360ci V8 Charger (Dont think dodge charger, ours were completely different), and so some half-arsed journo wrote an article that made the front page that Ford, Holden (GMC) and Valliant (Chrysler) were selling supercars to our children and everyone was going to die a horrible death in these big bad supercars that the mean car companies were selling to everyone. So endeth one of the greatest chapters in muscle car history :(.
I dunno what you yanks had back in the early 70's but i love your Viper, Shelby Cobra and any Mustang. Also any of those big fender, big engine 50's cruisin machines.

"muscle car" doesn't have to be american, but so far americans and australians are the only countries that have made a muscle car...I'm sure its possible for another country to do it, but it hasn't happened yet. The closest thing I can think of to a non-aussie/american muscle car would be a TVR.. but even those are too refined to be muscle cars. A muscle car isnt just a light car with a v8, it has a lot to do with the styling and engineering that went into the car.

An import is not and never will be considered a muscle car, no matter how bad import guys want them to be, they never will be. Sport compact, that's their label, they need to learn to deal with it and leave the name "muscle car" to the real cars.

Hot Rod Magazine: The Muscle Car Boom in '04
July 2004 issue page. 44

"A muscle car is not high tech.", says messer. "It's pretty down and dirty. You can stick a big motor in a 69' Camaro, but you can't stick a big V-8 into a Honda or a Toyota. Those tuner cars are electronic, not mechanical. I can appreciate how those guys tune their cars with a laptop computer, but i couldn't do it. Now, if you put me in front of a Hemi, i could probably tear one of those down in a few hours."

They also have these quotes to say about muscle cars.

"They're unruly, noisy, and uncivilized. I love that. Modern supercars dont scare you like the older ones." Craig Jackson

"It's hard to appreciate a 13 second Camaro when you're driving a 15 second Honda." Keith Maney

"They're big, loud, powerful. They personify the American character." Steve Metz

amen to that z28josh

Damn strait! Nuff said.

Z28Josh, I wish I could have found that article. It took the words right out of my mouth. Thanks bro.

i got to this thread a little late, but maybe i can re=open the discussion. i couldn't help but see everyone saying only americans could make musclecars...and i thought maybe the europeans were being kind of ignored. i guess if you're going with the loud and scary definition these would not count, but BMW, Mercedes, Aston Martin, and Jaguar all have made cars with big, powerful V-8 engines and rear wheel drive. i would personally consider these muscle, maybe more of a fabio muscle than a arnold muscle, but still muscle. also, i have to disagree with the statement that chysler no longer counts because they were bought out by daimler (or was it the other way around?) either way, i think that the Crossfire and the 300C/Magnum could both be considered Musclecars, especially the Crossfire which reminds me a lot of the Shelby Cobra in the sense that it is a small roadster with a large engine. just my two cents, anyway.

one day i will own a musclecar. have a V6 stang right now, it's got the look and the sound (yay for MAC flowpaths) but not the neck bending performance. saving up for 00-01 mustang GT.

Well, I'd like to see Toyota build a four seat coupe with brawny styling, RWD, and a streetable EFI version of their NASCAR Craftsman Truck V8. Give it a tough name, some bright colors with cool graphics package options and plenty of optional go fast/look cool goodies, and you'd have something to talk about.

The muscle cars remain a uniquely American performance ideal. We took our most mundane two doors (Tempest, Malibu, Fairlane, Coronet, Rambler, Belvedere) stuffed them full of potent engines and slathered them with more scoops, stripes, and spoilers than a MIG29, and created some mythical legends (GTO, Chevelle SS, Thunderbolt, Super Bee, Rebel Machine, GTX).

That European and Japanese manufacturers want to mimic, trump, and pay homage to America's most fondly remembered motoring era shouldn't be considered an insult - it should be considered a compliment. A form of recognition after so many years where "Yank Tanks" were just overweight, boorish, loud crass machines to those groups.

Let's just make sure that with the return of the GTO, 300C, Charger (next year), and a fresh Mustang, we keep doing muscle better than the rest of the world.

I don't even care what they say. It won't mean anything to the people who know what actual muscle cars are. If the other idiots want to pretend they have muscle cars, fine. They know their role.

I think that the people that know what a muscle car is will know that the M45 is not one.

Any car that has an engine described as "Velvet smooth" is NOT a muscle car.

in defense of japanese imports, I hope someone realized they're mainly made for handling. good japanse sports cars against good muscle are just as effective in race tracks and twisties (not your typical NASCAR ovals). but japanese ricers on the other hand are model kits that I won't get into. are stock muscle cars best at handling? what's the point of power without control? simple street drags are getting repetitive and boring. this is why the high-end European supercars are designed to have superb handling at high speeds, it isn't made just to look pretty.

well, the wannabe muscle car M45 maybe discontinued by Infiniti, look for the article in one of the import magazines, I think it was import tuner or super street. Thus concludes my statement that no one but americans can create true muscle cars.

in defense of japanese imports, I hope someone realized they're mainly made for handling. good japanse sports cars against good muscle are just as effective in race tracks and twisties (not your typical NASCAR ovals). but japanese ricers on the other hand are model kits that I won't get into. are stock muscle cars best at handling? what's the point of power without control? simple street drags are getting repetitive and boring. this is why the high-end European supercars are designed to have superb handling at high speeds, it isn't made just to look pretty.


There are some older muscle cars that were built specifically for touring events. Older mustangs and camaros for example, with some modern suspension and tires i'm almost positive they would make great handling cars.

Why would someone prefer drag racing to drifting??? Because if they are any kind of muscle car fans they prefer raw power and speed over finesse.

I don't know why the hell Nissan would call their Infiniti G35 and M45 sedans their muscle car?

The Nissan R & D are planning to get this into production:

http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2001/tokyo/highlights/images/nissan-gtr1529.jpg

http://www.automotriz.net/images/galeria/images/1024x768-Nissan-GTR-01.jpg

It's the Nissan V35 aka Skyline GT-R.

Anyway, I wasn't talking about drifting, racing in the twisties is not driftin;, though it helps sometimes, but also puts the other drivers in danger. Twisties includes nasty curves, tight turns, and somewhat straight strips.

But muscle cars tend to be nose heavy, don't they? I mean it's common physics - higher suspensions, longer body, higher center of gravity. And it will wobble side to side during turns at high speeds. That's why it draws different crowds.

there where muscle cars made for non-drag raceing like the AAR 'cuda the Z28 camaro and the T/A challenger where all made for trans am racing which wasnt just straight but i bet they handled just fine. i havent had the pleasure of driving one but my dad had an AAR 'cuda and he said it was bad ass in straight racing and taking curves. but then he tore the rear end out wore the brakes too nothing and shortly after sold, he has never forggiven himself for that one.

And on the other hand dodge is briging the charger back that freaking awsome i cant wait to see a pic of that. they best not put a 4 bannger or a v-6 in that or im going to be pissed. i would have to womp some ass if that happened :smokin:

I guess you don't know your y2k muscle cars. J/K. :grinno:

http://www.chrysleraustralia.com/_borders/Concept-Dodge_Charger_Details.jpg

http://www.michaelp.org/photos/pebble99/elegance/dodge_charger_concept_car.jpg

Except for four doors and Dodge trademark front grill, the new Charger kinda resembles '05 C6 Corvette.

i never heard no BMW or merc with a chunky idle that defines muscle in a way,They have that electronic sound that makes u shudder.
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i never heard no BMW or merc with a chunky idle that defines muscle in a way,They have that electronic sound that makes u shudder.
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uh how's that relevant in any way? :eek7:

havent posted in this forum for a while
:dunno:

Umm, that Charger concept debuted way back in 1998 or so and ran on CNG. It's in no way related to the new Charger for next year which rides on the Dodge Magnum/Chrysler 300C platform and will be available with either the Chryco corporate 3.5L V6 or the 5.7L Hemi V8.

DaimlerChrysler has yet to show the new Charger to the public and has been very secretive about the car as a whole. Suffice to say it will be four-doors and not look like the Intrepid in the least; which by the way has Dodge's NASCAR involvement in question considering how far the Charger is from meeting current NASCAR templates or aero parity rules.

it's a muscle car, regardless of what power platform, it'll be a v8.