Best Engine?

Your building a kit car to race (at the drag stip and at race tracks). You’ve now gotten to the stage where it is time for you to select an engine to power your kit car. You have access to many affordable engines, and you come up with this list of engines. Which of these engines would offer you the best combination of price, ease to modify, reliability, cost to modify, and potential for more power? Which of these engines would you select?

VQ35DE (350Z)
RB26DETT (Skyline GT-R)
VG30DETT (300ZX Twin Turbo)
SR20DET (S15 Silvia)
4G63T (Evolution VIII)
6G72DETT (3000GT VR4)
13BETT (RX-7)
A853 (Neon SRT-4)
2JZGTE (Supra Twin Turbo)
B18C5 (Integra Type R)
K20A2 (RSX Type S)
LS1 (Camaro Z28 SS)
Other, please specify...

who care's, all good motor's IMO.

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anyhow, i'd take a 427 hemi over all those motors.

DUDE! have some respect for people. holy crap, he was joking around with you. no need to go off the deep end. i'm starting to think you might be howard dean.


anyhow, i'd take a 427 hemi over all those motors.Hemi is a 426.

As far as motors go... There are just to many good motors there to claim one superior over any other. Some are still on the rookie side of the spectrum, and others are clearly old vets. Its still to difficult to declare the superior motor IMO.

The LS1, hands down. Starting from 350odd horsepower at the flywheel and torque of about the same numbers. Thing can rev up to a safe 7500rpm and makes power all the way through the rev range, and there's plenty more in that aluminum gem.

Heck, Lingenfelter sells a crate turnkey LS1 stroked and bored out to 427ci (7.0L for you SAE challenged folks) with twin turbochargers that puts out 750 FREAKIN' HORSEPOWER on pump gas, reliable streetable horsepower no less.

Two true ball bearing turbochargers
Two high efficiency air to air chargecoolers
Custom molded Samco silicone air ducts
4 into 1 custom cast exhaust manifolds
Two cast turbo outlet adapters
Turbocharger scavenge pump
Turbo oil drain reservoir
Two K&N 360 degree conical air filters
Heat shields and stainless clamps
Professional installation, testing and tuning
Turbocharger water feed and return hoses
Turbocharger oil feed and return hoses
Gaskets, spark plugs and fluids
Custom 7.0 L aluminum C5R block
CNC Porting and polishing of LS1 cylinder heads
Port matched LS6 intake manifold
Billet steel connecting rods
Forged 4340 crankshaft
Forged aluminum pistons
LPE custom hydraulic roller camshaft
High performance valve springs & lightweight retainers
Stainless steel one piece heavy duty intake valves
Inconel one piece heavy duty exhaust valves
Three angle valve job, checking of spring tensions & heights
Computer balanced rotating assembly
Reassembly and blueprinting of engine
Properly sized fuel injectors and high capacity fuel system


Of course that's the list of stuff done to the engine. :cwm27:

The LS1, hands down. Starting from 350odd horsepower at the flywheel and torque of about the same numbers. Thing can rev up to a safe 7500rpm and makes power all the way through the rev range, and there's plenty more in that aluminum gem.

Heck, Lingenfelter sells a crate turnkey LS1 stroked and bored out to 427ci (7.0L for you SAE challenged folks) with twin turbochargers that puts out 750 FREAKIN' HORSEPOWER on pump gas, reliable streetable horsepower no less.

Two true ball bearing turbochargers
Two high efficiency air to air chargecoolers
Custom molded Samco silicone air ducts
4 into 1 custom cast exhaust manifolds
Two cast turbo outlet adapters
Turbocharger scavenge pump
Turbo oil drain reservoir
Two K&N 360 degree conical air filters
Heat shields and stainless clamps
Professional installation, testing and tuning
Turbocharger water feed and return hoses
Turbocharger oil feed and return hoses
Gaskets, spark plugs and fluids
Custom 7.0 L aluminum C5R block
CNC Porting and polishing of LS1 cylinder heads
Port matched LS6 intake manifold
Billet steel connecting rods
Forged 4340 crankshaft
Forged aluminum pistons
LPE custom hydraulic roller camshaft
High performance valve springs & lightweight retainers
Stainless steel one piece heavy duty intake valves
Inconel one piece heavy duty exhaust valves
Three angle valve job, checking of spring tensions & heights
Computer balanced rotating assembly
Reassembly and blueprinting of engine
Properly sized fuel injectors and high capacity fuel system


Of course that's the list of stuff done to the engine. :cwm27:



they sell that engine as a crate? I thought they only sell it as an ugrade to C5 vettes.

But anyway could you Imagine that engine paired with a mosler photon? It would be sick.

Not sure what thier calling it, but the engine from the 2005 Ford GT
Frickin sweet V8

I'd take a 4.6L DOHC, or the crate 5.0L DOHC Fords. High revving and fairly high output, but with medium compression so you could boost them.

The 5.0 puts out around 400 HP N/A, and if you put a turbo kit on there, it would fly. The blocks on those are relatively strong, and many other companies sell even stronger setups, like Sean Hyland Motorsports. If you made it with enough quality, you could rev it reliabley past 8000 rpm on lots of psi.

Although the Liggenfelter is amazing, it's specific out put is not that great.

Some of the twin turbo kits for the 4.6 DOHC allow it to achieve over 800+ HP. You would have to update the internals to the best out there however. But its a kit car and not limited as much by engine bay size or ease of access.

Everyone here knows I'm a Camaro supporter so of course I'm going to have to say the LS1, actually I'd like to add the LS6 in that case, a better version of the LS1, oh, and I'd also like to give mention to the LT-5, the ZR-1 engine.
Ok, I'm not really a Turbo person, but I have ot say the 350Z and Honda engines are really impressive n/a engines... but all these engines come really close.

Not sure what thier calling it, but the engine from the 2005 Ford GT
Frickin sweet V8

i'd have to agree with you. what car do you own??

Yeah me personally, I am a 4G63T guy, I just amazed by the potential of those engines, but the RB26DETT in my opinion is so awesome. Has such great potential it's amazing, how easy it is to modify is also amazing. I just hope the newest Skyline and it's engine can have just as much or even greater potential.

B18C5 Integra Type R.

Leave it NA.

Port and polished head, Individual throttle bodies, header, intake, piped exhaust, cams, gears, chipped ecu, reinforced lighter pistons.

There you have it, a 1.8 liter engine naturally aspirated producing 265 horsepower at the crank safely, revving to 10,000 revolutions with no hesitation.

I saw an engine like this on a car show, with a dyno chart. I was impressed. I know bigger displacement engines can destroy it, but common, its so amazing for an engine to produce so much power.

I would probably go for the 271 HP Evo VIII...Not surprising, is it?

I would probably go for the 271 HP Evo VIII...Not surprising, is it?

yeah their ok but, i guess i like the car i got. it was basiclly for free and i love it, even more when i get it lowered.
any surgesstions???

I'll have a 4AGE or 3SGTE.

As much as I don't like Toyota's, these engines are awesome for kit cars, especially Lotus 7 sized ones.

RB26DETT definately holds its place among the best of the best of all times hands down. Its capable of 1300hp+ from a 2.6L V6, which is just awesome.

RB26DETT definately holds its place among the best of the best of all times hands down. Its capable of 1300hp+ from a 2.6L V6, which is just awesome.
it isn't a V6 its an inline 6 smart guy, anyways i chose the vq35de, the engine stock makes more base hp and stock than a r34 gtr, its also lighter, and has more displacement than the rb26 which does make it a better engine, i mean how much hp do you think the rb26 would have without those turbos? probably not that much (although it does make about 330hp without the japanese hp limit, all the skylines/350z's in the JGTC are using it now, it has great potential, and nissan and cosworth are joining together to make an even more powerful vq engine, the vq33dett for the new GTR i think

As far as I can tell, the supercharged 4.6L V8 in the current Mustang Cobra is the best engine on that list for a decent sized car. ~365rwhp stock(for those who don't want to mod), ~450rwhp for under 2K, ~650rwhp for under 6K. All those power levels on pump gas. Cheap cost for engine and mods. What more could you want?

it isn't a V6 its an inline 6 smart guy, anyways i chose the vq35de, the engine stock makes more base hp and stock than a r34 gtr, its also lighter, and has more displacement than the rb26 which does make it a better engine, i mean how much hp do you think the rb26 would have without those turbos? probably not that much (although it does make about 330hp without the japanese hp limit, all the skylines/350z's in the JGTC are using it now, it has great potential, and nissan and cosworth are joining together to make an even more powerful vq engine, the vq33dett for the new GTR i think
i agree. the vq35 has an aluminum block compared to the RB's iron block which causes it to be as much as 200 lbs heavier than the VQ. also the vq is a shorter engine due to the V layout instead of an inline causing it to be able to sit further back in the chassis and allow the car to sit more like a mid engine platform for better weight ditribution. plus the VQ can take 300-400 hp on stock internals. Why do you think they abandoned the RB series motors and put the VQ in the new R35 skyline? it's most likely going to be a TT VQ35 in the new GTR from what i've heard. the only way to get a VQ33 would be to stroke and/or bore a VQ30, which is an obsolete engine. the current JDM skyline(G35) is using a VQ35 now so i can't see why they would decreases displacement to increase performance. i pick VQ all the way. not to mention that it makes almost as much NA HP as most of the FI cars on that list, if not more in some cases. not bad for a V6 that started its life in a family sedan.

i agree. the vq35 has an aluminum block compared to the RB's iron block which causes it to be as much as 200 lbs heavier than the VQ. also the vq is a shorter engine due to the V layout instead of an inline causing it to be able to sit further back in the chassis and allow the car to sit more like a mid engine platform for better weight ditribution. plus the VQ can take 300-400 hp on stock internals. Why do you think they abandoned the RB series motors and put the VQ in the new R35 skyline? it's most likely going to be a TT VQ35 in the new GTR from what i've heard. the only way to get a VQ33 would be to stroke and/or bore a VQ30, which is an obsolete engine. the current JDM skyline(G35) is using a VQ35 now so i can't see why they would decreases displacement to increase performance. i pick VQ all the way. not to mention that it makes almost as much NA HP as most of the FI cars on that list, if not more in some cases. not bad for a V6 that started its life in a family sedan.

I kind of see what your saying, and the VQ is newer than the RB, but does that mean it's better. Sure the RB does have have forced induction, but it has been tuned to make upwards of over 1000HP, I just can't see VQ series, even with FI achieving similiar HP numbers, and being able to hold as much boost as the RB series. The RB series is designed for that, not the VQ series. There are VQ FI series 350Zs with well over 500WHP and that are pretty much maxed out with mods, to the RB Series Skyline, 500WHP is no where near the end of it's limits.

yeah but like you said the RB is an older engine. they've only just begun pumping out the mods for the VQ35 engine. the RB has been used since the mid 80's back when it was a 2.0 6 cylinder. and yes it can be made to handle 1000+ hp but it can't reach those numbers with stock internals, nor can the VQ series. once you get bigger injectors, fuel rail, piston rods and heads, etc. most 1000 hp skylines use stroker kits to make them 2.7's 2.8's 3.0's and even 3.2's iirc. there's a stroker kit made for the vq35 to make it a vq40 which will increase the hp potential. i think the VQ has potential to prove than what has been seen so far.

yeah but like you said the RB is an older engine. they've only just begun pumping out the mods for the VQ35 engine. the RB has been used since the mid 80's back when it was a 2.0 6 cylinder. and yes it can be made to handle 1000+ hp but it can't reach those numbers with stock internals, nor can the VQ series. once you get bigger injectors, fuel rail, piston rods and heads, etc. most 1000 hp skylines use stroker kits to make them 2.7's 2.8's 3.0's and even 3.2's iirc. there's a stroker kit made for the vq35 to make it a vq40 which will increase the hp potential. i think the VQ has potential to prove than what has been seen so far.

All what you say sounds very nice, and don't get me wrong I have much respect for the VQ platform, but when all is said and done which engine has the potential for more power, the answer is the RB26DETT. Take for instance (perhaps) the most modified 350Z in the states, Top Secret's 350Z which makes a very impressive 690WHP, like I said very impressive, the list of modifications for that 350Z is very exstensive (Including HKS Twin Turbo Kit and much more) and Top Secret would be hard pressed to push that engine even close to the 1000HP mark, and they have already moved onto another project car. I'm not saying it cannot be done, believe me, anything can be done, but it would be alot easier to make 800HP, 900HP, or 1000HP with RB26DETT than the VQ35DE. Like you said the RB26DETT has been around longer and yes there is not as much out there for the VQ35DE. But as more tuners and aftermarket companies find ways to make more and more HP from the VQ35DE, then there may be day when the VQ35DE becomes not only a better engine to modify over the RB26DETT, but perhaps one of the best engines to modify period, but I'm sorry that day has not yet arrived.

Here's just an example of the magic of the RB26DETT, an engine capable of producing and holding 1000HP is just amazing, but this particular one happends to make 1360HP and is street legal- http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/32699/

I can find many more examples. Not saying a VQ35DE will not one day have the potential for 1000HP, I'm just saying that day has not yet arrived.

As far as four cylinder engines go I would take the Chrysler common block, hands down. You also can't deny how good the 426, 511, and 528 Hemi are. Their only downside is price. However, all the engines on the list are great.

1976 400 CID chevy with 4 barrel carb (stock at the time)

I have to add the 2.4l "616.912" engine of my old benz -

97 ft.lbs. of torque @ 2400 rpm - 72 hp (to move a 4000lbs car by the way...)

not impressive? no, really?

anyways, its unbeatable when it comes to reliability - think of it, 2.4l and 72hp - I think it has a 2:1 compression or sumptin :icon16:

It now runs 22 years almost every day w/o any damage or need of maintenance!!
beat that

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the 351 in my dads f150, it just got 400k miles in it and we havent changed much of it. i dont think it has gotten a tune up yet.every day over 2k lbs of payload. the 4.6 in the cobra is incredible. it can handle 600+ hp. with the stock long block. but the 427 cammer from the 60s is the best. it had DOHC heads and 615 hp. or the 460 big motors are always better for me.:smile:

. but the 427 cammer from the 60s is the best. it had DOHC heads and 615 hp. or the 460 big motors are always better for me.:smile:


That would be SOHC heads

I'd take a 4.6L DOHC, or the crate 5.0L DOHC Fords. High revving and fairly high output, but with medium compression so you could boost them.

The 5.0 puts out around 400 HP N/A, and if you put a turbo kit on there, it would fly. The blocks on those are relatively strong, and many other companies sell even stronger setups, like Sean Hyland Motorsports. If you made it with enough quality, you could rev it reliabley past 8000 rpm on lots of psi.

Although the Liggenfelter is amazing, it's specific out put is not that great.

Some of the twin turbo kits for the 4.6 DOHC allow it to achieve over 800+ HP. You would have to update the internals to the best out there however. But its a kit car and not limited as much by engine bay size or ease of access.

the lingenfelter ............. http://www.fast-autos.net/lingenfelter/lingenfelter427tt.html

yeah, sorry bout that, i got carried away. that would be a hell of an engine though. how about the 9.8L mustang. now thats a big engine. 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. too bad its an automatic with only 3 gears.

I just like to add, that IMO the Lingenfelter is a God... it truly is divine among mortals. If you had one, you could be crusing, oh look, there's a ferari or a lamborgini, well, no sweat, you can pass them like they are standing still, and keep going, except for perhaps two cars in thw world no one is reaching your top speed.

The LS1 is definately a great engine. It can be built into C5R specs and be a reliable as heck NA engine or force induction can be added for a pretty crazy engine. The other engines are great too, but the LS1 is alot lighter. With an aluminum block and heads, it weighs about as much as the 13BT with the turbo hardware. The mustang engine in the new SVT is just way too heavy. The weight distribution of a mustang was pretty front bias to begin with. Adding a heavier engine doesn't help.

i know what your talking about with the weight thing but when you get the ls1 to c5r spec you make that engine heavy too. although the cobra engine is heavy it can make monstrous amount of hordepower. and you can run it with the stock internals.

its doesnt matter as long as it can run.

0-60 1.97 sec??
only with warm drag tyres, right?

is it still street legal?

too bad its an automatic with only 3 gears.

well, according to that website the lingenfelter's either 6-Speed Manual or 5-Speed Automatic

A lingenfelter does that in street form w/ regular tires, a/c, and on pump gas... that is the beauty of it.

A lingenfelter does that in street form w/ regular tires, a/c, and on pump gas... that is the beauty of it.

Sorry but it achieved that number with drag tires.

it isn't a V6 its an inline 6 smart guy, anyways i chose the vq35de, the engine stock makes more base hp and stock than a r34 gtr, its also lighter, and has more displacement than the rb26 which does make it a better engine, i mean how much hp do you think the rb26 would have without those turbos? probably not that much (although it does make about 330hp without the japanese hp limit, all the skylines/350z's in the JGTC are using it now, it has great potential, and nissan and cosworth are joining together to make an even more powerful vq engine, the vq33dett for the new GTR i think

Correct, for the most part. No one really knows what size the GT-R’s VQ will be yet. The VQ is lighter than the RB by around 200lbs.


i agree. the vq35 has an aluminum block compared to the RB's iron block which causes it to be as much as 200 lbs heavier than the VQ. also the vq is a shorter engine due to the V layout instead of an inline causing it to be able to sit further back in the chassis and allow the car to sit more like a mid engine platform for better weight ditribution. plus the VQ can take 300-400 hp on stock internals. Why do you think they abandoned the RB series motors and put the VQ in the new R35 skyline? it's most likely going to be a TT VQ35 in the new GTR from what i've heard. the only way to get a VQ33 would be to stroke and/or bore a VQ30, which is an obsolete engine. the current JDM skyline(G35) is using a VQ35 now so i can't see why they would decreases displacement to increase performance. i pick VQ all the way. not to mention that it makes almost as much NA HP as most of the FI cars on that list, if not more in some cases. not bad for a V6 that started its life in a family sedan.

Part of the reason the RB-series was ‘abandoned’ was because of tightening emissions regulations in Japan.
A mechanically inclined enthusiast could build their own VQ33 by putting a VQ35 crank and rod set into a VQ30 block. The VQ30 is not obselete. VQ30DDs(direct injection, 250hp) and VQ30DETs(single turbo, ‘276hp’) are still in use.
Decreasing displacement in the form of destroking can be a tool to change the character of an engine’s performance. A ‘destroker’ VQ32(VQ35 block + VQ30 crank and rods) would have a more rev-happy character that some consider sporting.
The VQ started life as an engine for a touring series in Germany. The series was cancelled, but the VQ made its US production debut in 1995.


I kind of see what your saying, and the VQ is newer than the RB, but does that mean it's better. Sure the RB does have have forced induction, but it has been tuned to make upwards of over 1000HP, I just can't see VQ series, even with FI achieving similiar HP numbers, and being able to hold as much boost as the RB series. The RB series is designed for that, not the VQ series. There are VQ FI series 350Zs with well over 500WHP and that are pretty much maxed out with mods, to the RB Series Skyline, 500WHP is no where near the end of it's limits.

According to a mechanic at AEBS, the VQ is built better/stronger than Toyota’s 2JZGTE, which is arguably stronger than the RB-series. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1824293&postcount=9
The VQ already has iron cylinder liners stock, and given stronger rods and low compression pistons, possibly another crank, it should be able to go toe to toe with the RB any day in horsepower output, and exceed it in torque output. According to the link I posted, given time and attention from the aftermarket, the VQ will be able to exceed the RB’s limits without a problem.


yeah but like you said the RB is an older engine. they've only just begun pumping out the mods for the VQ35 engine. the RB has been used since the mid 80's back when it was a 2.0 6 cylinder. and yes it can be made to handle 1000+ hp but it can't reach those numbers with stock internals, nor can the VQ series. once you get bigger injectors, fuel rail, piston rods and heads, etc. most 1000 hp skylines use stroker kits to make them 2.7's 2.8's 3.0's and even 3.2's iirc. there's a stroker kit made for the vq35 to make it a vq40 which will increase the hp potential. i think the VQ has potential to prove than what has been seen so far.

There is a stroker kit available from IMPUL that brings the VQ35 up to 3.8 liters, and a VQ40 will be a production motor. AEBS will have a stroker kit for as much as 4.3 liters.


All what you say sounds very nice, and don't get me wrong I have much respect for the VQ platform, but when all is said and done which engine has the potential for more power, the answer is the RB26DETT.

For now.

I'm a big VQ fan, heck I own one, but for the best motor, my vote goes to the LS1. It's big and makes lots of power stock, and the simplicity of the motor allows you to modify it cheaply and easily.

300, don't be a hater, it still does it w/ a/c and on pump gas

300, don't be a hater, it still does it w/ a/c and on pump gas

I'm not hating, I have much respect for LPE, the 427TT is still an awesome car, but just state the facts correctly. Pump gas, I highly doubt that, it's just common knowledge that most fast cars, and I'm not talking about 15 Second Hondas or etc., use racing fuel or a mixture of race fuel and pump gas, it's done so much that it's not even worth mentioning. I'm a 100% sure that Lingenfelter/or the owner of the car knowing that his his 427TT was about to be written on and wanting the best performance for this comparison would opt for a mixture of race fuel and pump gas or race fuel alone, in the article it is hinted at this "a pair of garret ball bearing-style turbochargers force in 14PSI boost in street trim and, given the right gas, can be programmed for 20PSI." No where is regular pump gas for this run mentioned. Gas is hardly mentioned at all in the article because it's not even worth mentioning, because race fuel is utilized so much in drag racing, it's just common practice. Also just so everything is clear, the car wore Mickey Thompson E.T. Street Tires (street legal drag tires) not the Lingenfelter stock Michelin Pilot-Sport Tires. Not hating on the 427TT, an awesome car, just get the facts straight. Nevertheless, the car is awesome and any street car that can pull 10s on regular street tires and pump gas is awesome.

That brings up the question......what cars can run 9's on street tires and pump gas?

That brings up the question......what cars can run 9's on street tires and pump gas?

Well technically what the Lingenfelter had were street tires, but it would be highly recommended against for day to day driving use, the tires are built for drag use, but remain DOT approved. As far as pump gas goes, it's just very unlikely, because these really high tuned horsepower cars need the proper fuel to extract the full potential out of them. Not saying they can't run on pump gas, but for their full potential, higher octane gas is just better, that is why there is race fuel. An example is a car that runs on premuim unleaded pumped gas, sure it could also run on regular unleaded pumped gas, but for the best performance from the engine it needs premuim unleaded. So as people began to tune their cars to very high outputs, most can run pumped gas and have no problems, but for the best results (anything under 10s) race fuel is needed. Although there is a street tire (drag tire, but DOT approved)Veilside Skyline GT-R that ran a 8.5 second 1/4 Mile. On the run, racing fuel was used, but I wonder how fast it would run on regular pumped American gas? I'm not sure?

you all are forgetting about spoon's. They can take a Honda rice mobile and turn it into a 500-600 hp monster. awfly pricey though($5000)

Well technically what the Lingenfelter had were street tires, but it would be highly recommended against for day to day driving use, the tires are built for drag use, but remain DOT approved. As far as pump gas goes, it's just very unlikely, because these really high tuned horsepower cars need the proper fuel to extract the full potential out of them. Not saying they can't run on pump gas, but for their full potential, higher octane gas is just better, that is why there is race fuel. An example is a car that runs on premuim unleaded pumped gas, sure it could also run on regular unleaded pumped gas, but for the best performance from the engine it needs premuim unleaded. So as people began to tune their cars to very high outputs, most can run pumped gas and have no problems, but for the best results (anything under 10s) race fuel is needed. Although there is a street tire (drag tire, but DOT approved)Veilside Skyline GT-R that ran a 8.0 second 1/4 Mile. On the run, racing fuel was used, but I wonder how fast it would run on regular pumped American gas? I'm not sure?

Virtually all low displacements cars can't run 9's on pump gas. They will not have remotely the power need to do it. Of stock displacement cars, I'm think possibly that a N20/TT/Supercharged Viper could do it. Probably a TT ZR-1 or 03 Cobra. Those are perhaps the only relatively common cars that could do it. I'm sure there are a bunch of muscle cars that could do it.

Found a cool site with AWD Records, man the list is dominated by Skylines! Come on EVO and 4G63T owners let's get on it, Skylines are kicking our a** =) ghetto smiley face.

http://www.exvitermini.com/records.htm

Found a cool site with AWD Records, man the list is dominated by Skylines! Come on EVO and 4G63T owners let's get on it, Skylines are kicking our a** =) ghetto smiley face.

http://www.exvitermini.com/records.htm

Thats funny... :rofl:
Near the bottom every single one of them is a Skyline. :D

Ok, as far as I found out the 427TT that ran 8.95 was running on PUMP GAS... it is said to be the fastest STREET C5, but yes it did use "DOT approved" cheater slicks, but still, this same car would be in what, the 9s w/ regular tires, how many cars can roll out of Mobil and run up the block in 9 sec...

Ok, as far as I found out the 427TT that ran 8.95 was running on PUMP GAS... it is said to be the fastest STREET C5, but yes it did use "DOT approved" cheater slicks, but still, this same car would be in what, the 9s w/ regular tires, how many cars can roll out of Mobil and run up the block in 9 sec...

Why do you say pump gas? Really pump gas was never mentioned, I'm asking you this, and this is no way trying to prove you wrong or make you look bad, but please tell me that when you see a car run 8.95@150MPH+ at a drag strip and you have no idea what type of fuel it is running, please do not tell me you assume pump gas, even if it is a street car?
Look at Lingenfelter site and they will tell you that the 427TT makes around 725HP, yet this one was tested at 803HP (and I wouldn't be surprised if that was 803HP at the wheels, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt), look all that points to an increase of boost up to 20 PSI and the use of the right fuel. Let's get one thing straight, in street trim, meaning on pump gas and lingenfelter tires, the car is fast but not going to run 8.95. But with a simple reprogramming of the ECU, race fuel, E.T. Tires, and an increase of boost the car can achieve 8.95. Either way the car is remarkable and you can go on and believe what you want Joseph1082 even if it's not the truth.

Well... I asked in my home Forum, the Camaro Forum, and even the Mod said that this was acheived w/ pump gas. I'm sure the boost was turned up over the stock setting, but you can too if you want to void your LPE waranty.

Why not take 2 13BETT from an RX-7 3rd Generation. Buy a custom eccentric shaft for 5 Grand mate the two engines together. Throw that in there you have a 2.6 liter engine producing 650 HP at the flywheel. If you want to put a turbo on itll produce around 1100 HP.

I would take the Skyline engine simply because Nissan makes a great, beefy engine and since the Skyline is basically the coolest Japanese car ever, you cant go wrong. And the tuning potential is thru the roof, 1200+ HP with turbos screaming. mmmmm
I would take that any day over a big V8 but thats just me.
All those engines are cool.

But the thing is... 1200HP isn't street, but a lingenfleter is!

But the thing is... 1200HP isn't street, but a lingenfleter is!

Your wrong there, 1200HP is street, so is 1360HP, so are a lot of other 1000HP Skylines.

Your wrong there, 1200HP is street, so is 1360HP, so are a lot of other 1000HP Skylines.

Shall I dare ask for proof? Do you want me to bring up 2000hp blown big blocks with 300 shots of n2o? Those are "on the street."

Why do you say pump gas? Really pump gas was never mentioned, I'm asking you this, and this is no way trying to prove you wrong or make you look bad, but please tell me that when you see a car run 8.95@150MPH+ at a drag strip and you have no idea what type of fuel it is running, please do not tell me you assume pump gas, even if it is a street car?
Look at Lingenfelter site and they will tell you that the 427TT makes around 725HP, yet this one was tested at 803HP (and I wouldn't be surprised if that was 803HP at the wheels, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt), look all that points to an increase of boost up to 20 PSI and the use of the right fuel. Let's get one thing straight, in street trim, meaning on pump gas and lingenfelter tires, the car is fast but not going to run 8.95. But with a simple reprogramming of the ECU, race fuel, E.T. Tires, and an increase of boost the car can achieve 8.95. Either way the car is remarkable and you can go on and believe what you want Joseph1082 even if it's not the truth.

You seem to be leaning torwards one side of the arguement, but your never really supporting anything. I don't understand how you can argue this and not have any other vivid view upon this. Have you ever looked at a 4th gen C4 Sledgehammer Corvette which produces well over 800bhp and also holds the record for highest top speed of a street legal car (254.76mph w/ stero, a/c, etc.)? Tell me what your really trying to say so I don't jump the gun on what I think your saying.

You seem to be leaning torwards one side of the arguement, but your never really supporting anything. I don't understand how you can argue this and not have any other vivid view upon this. Have you ever looked at a 4th gen C4 Sledgehammer Corvette which produces well over 800bhp and also holds the record for highest top speed of a street legal car (254.76mph w/ stero, a/c, etc.)? Tell me what your really trying to say so I don't jump the gun on what I think your saying.

Oh this was not in anyway trying to disapprove the capabilities of Lingenfelter and the Corvette platform, the only point I was making was that the evidence for the 8.95 1/4 Mile pointed to a run on race gas, not really a big deal, everybody does it, but Joseph1082 can't seem to understand that.

My picks:
1. 2JZGTE
2. RB26DETT
3. LS1

Where is your proof that it is race gas?

Where is your proof that it is race gas?

Where is your proof that it was pump gas? All I said that the evidence points to race gas, also like I said, not really a big deal, everyone uses it. So this is a stupid argument.

My question is, what evidence are YOU refering to?