Prelude vs GSX

which is faster, any year lude vs. 98 eclipse gsx

also what are the quarter mile time for both??

yeah i was wondering the same thing. what about a 97 eclipse gst ?

why not post in an unbiased forum.
the gst should be running high 14's
the gsx should be a couple tenths slower

no lude will run with either car.

wish ludes were faster...

isn't the gst the turbo one?? use common sense folks

95 vtec, is usually considered the fastest usdm lude. it won't keep up with either of those dsm's.

I could rock any eclipse in my area ofcourse I am running 9 lbs. of boost and hondata fuel managment

isn't the gst the turbo one?? use common sense folks
i thought they were both turbo, but the gsx was awd.

the lude because it can be hooked up wit a spoon engine

why not post in an unbiased forum.
the gst should be running high 14's
the gsx should be a couple tenths slower

no lude will run with either car.

Actually it's the other way around the GSX is a couple of tenths faster than the GST, sure it weighs alittle more, but it has alittle more power and the most important factor, AWD.

the lude because it can be hooked up wit a spoon engine

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LMFAO! :banghead:

I think the GSX would take it in the quarter fairly easily, but on a course that envolves handling or something other than straight line acceleration I think the Prelude would take it, especially a SH.

How much does a gsx weigh compared to the lude?

gs/ rs= non turbo fwd
gst= turbo fwd
gsx= turbo awd

up against the gst or gsx stock , I wouldn't bet money on it. but when mods come into play, theres no tellin, I'd be partial to the eclipse though, I have seen what they can do. so my :2cents: spoon or no spoon, the clipse would probably have you, if it too is modded. But race and find out the eclipse might have a bad dirver in it.

I Prelude can outhandle an AWD GSX????? (post #12?)

Actually it's the other way around the GSX is a couple of tenths faster than the GST, sure it weighs alittle more, but it has alittle more power and the most important factor, AWD.

they have the same power(crank), actually the GST make more whp cuz of less drivetrain loss

I honestly don't know about handling; ludes are famous for their terrific handling, and while awd dsm's have the drivetrain advantage, they are much much heavier.

The Gsx handles better over the lude hands down. Also i want to see a lude run some 7's. Its not incredible uncommon for a street eclipse to be pushing 400-500 horse. The 4g63t will eat a spoon engine with light mods anyday.

GSX would win, its turbo all wheel drive, off the line it can rev the engine and the turbo will kick in, with all wheel drive it doesnt hafta worry about the tires spinning, and before u know it its a few car lengths ahead and its over

they have the same power(crank), actually the GST make more whp cuz of less drivetrain loss

Your right the power is the same, but regardless the GSX is faster, all those very fast Eclipses are usually AWD. While the FWD model is spinning it's front wheels, the AWD model is gone, and FWD model will not catch it by the end of the 1/4 mile.

The GSX doesn't handle like the lude. The Prelude SH has nubers of .89 on the skid where the TSi AWD puts .83 out. The Prelude is FAR superior in this area. It's a monster, the SH system is awesome in helping understeer and there isn't much dive/lean on the car. Next to the Type-R I'm going to say that the Prelude is the best handling front wheel drive car. Honda has a history of having great handling cars and this proves it. And by the way, the GSX handles like a front wheel drive car even though it's AWD which means understeer.

Car and Driver compared a few of the cars a while back
Miata
TSi AWD(GSX)
Prelude SH
some other cars

The Prelude took it=)
They've rated it the 4rth best handling car ever for them a while back with the SH and the best handling car for under $30,000

I can't see a FWD outhandling an AWD
Also, if you look, the GSX has faster 0-60 times than the GST but their 1/4 times tend to be very similar.

The GSX is built on a fwd chasis, it's basically a fwd car with power to all the wheels but that doesn't change that it still handles like a fwd.

How can you say that... FWD handles like there is 105HP going to the two steering wheels... while the AWD handles like there is 52.5HP going to ALL four wheels and no end of the car is "loose". My friend used to go 80 around ramps in his AWD Laser.

No the lude is better hands down. Eclispes have to be the least reliable car ever made.

they are definitly unrealiable cars, have you ever seen one hit 200kmi? nope... but some ludes do

Ok, but you guys have nothing on a GSX's handling

I go canyon racing all the time against eclipses gsx and gst and have driven all of them. and the lude in my opinion preforms much better plus I would never buy an eclipse had one for a year ended up replacing everything on it. I liked the all wheel drive but the diff box is going to blow at least every 50k

BS on the unrealible crap. Any car loses its reliability when you start modding it. The 4g63 is a very strong and capable motor. Like any car though people always report the worst cases rather then the positive ones. My friend raced me in his 93 Lude( H22 swap) vs me in my 98 Talon Tsi Awd (auto:|). I took him off the line by at least 2 cars maybe closer to 3 but by the end of second gear he closed the gap and was running ahead by a car length. Never pulled after that though.

ok, you started the post about realiability and ended it with speed... my priority is realiability, and i know many people with Mitsubishi problems, not just the eclipse ... also, what is a positive case of something going wrong with your car, i think it sucks whether it costs 50 bucks or 5000 bucks ... and exhaust, header, intake mods should not make your car less realiable

If your leaving the car stock the engine is just reliable as any other its all in how you take car of it. Of course modding your car makes it less reliable. Your making it breath easier and perform better but your causing more wear on the engine. You took my "positive" statement out of context. The majority of people that come to forums is to get help with problems with their cars. Now compare that to the amount of people who come to forums to bragg how well their cars are holding up......Of course theres the percentage that come to the forums to learn and show appreciation.

haha, you have had 5 posts, so stop bull sh*****, so stop acting like you know what your talking about

What does 5 posts have to do with anything?? Let me guess 16 and still in school? Grow up and learn something.

get a lude then come race me in my unreliable eclipse :)

What does 5 posts have to do with anything?? Let me guess 16 and still in school? Grow up and learn something.

it has to do with this..."The majority of people that come to forums is to get help with problems with their cars. Now compare that to the amount of people who come to forums to bragg how well their cars are holding up......Of course theres the percentage that come to the forums to learn and show appreciation."

how would you know wha tthe majority of people come here for if you have only been a member for a few days? how would you know the tendency of members if you have only been a member yourself for a few days? ... thats my point buddy, also im 20 and finishing up college this year... if you really had to know

I'm also a member of 1/2 a dozen other forums and its all the same. An automotive forum is still were people come to talk about their cars and get help with them. Being a starting member of a forum has Jacksh** to do with what a person knows. Do you go asking a 10yr mechanic what a piston is because he hasnt been a member of this forum? Its the same thing you havent a clue what a person knows based on posts? Time to get back on track for Saviours sake. Congrats on finishing college wish you the best in finding something you love to do.

i would love to do you ;-)

-a gsx is faster than than a gst
-a gsx is faster than a prelude
-a prelude has a better turning radius, but...
-a gsx will out handle a prelude at high speeds
-mitsubishis are unreliable

i have 2 friends that own a gsx & vr4, and i used to own a montero sport, they all have had tranny or engine problems. if you haven't YET, you are lucky

This post was not based on reliabilty... It was started to compare a gsx and a lude. A gsx takes the prelude in quarter mile, 8th mile, peak output of the engine, and just overall handling. Quit saying it handles like a fwd... IT DOESNT! I would take the Gsx with its reliabilty problems anyday because its just a better car. Easier to mod. More gains from the motor with less money. Stock turbo eclipses have been good up to 180,000 miles and still running. The only reason the're unrelible if because people push the engines. Being a turbo car its really easy to put a mbc on it and boost it to 20 psi. Then the car becomes unreliable. Can you say that your lude will handle 400 hp on stock internals? NO... I am not bashing the lude... They are great cars... but be realistic... The Gsx takes it... Im sorry to break it to you but thats just the way it is.

This post was not based on reliabilty... It was started to compare a gsx and a lude. A gsx takes the prelude in quarter mile, 8th mile, peak output of the engine, and just overall handling. Quit saying it handles like a fwd... IT DOESNT! I would take the Gsx with its reliabilty problems anyday because its just a better car. Easier to mod. More gains from the motor with less money. Stock turbo eclipses have been good up to 180,000 miles and still running. The only reason the're unrelible if because people push the engines. Being a turbo car its really easy to put a mbc on it and boost it to 20 psi. Then the car becomes unreliable. Can you say that your lude will handle 400 hp on stock internals? NO... I am not bashing the lude... They are great cars... but be realistic... The Gsx takes it... Im sorry to break it to you but thats just the way it is.
is this directed towards me? did you read what i wrote? i own a prelude and i was completely un-biased. also, a gsx is NOT easier to mod. dont start shit with me when i was giving praise to the gsx. its 15 year old bitches like you that are whats wrong with these forums. let me guess, your parents paid for your car. grow up.:flipa:

No that post was not directed towards you. Its directed towards the people writing large posts about how the eclipse is unrelibale compared to the eclipse. This post was started to see whats faster. I see what you wrote and i agree. Yeah im 16, but ive been around cars since i was a kid. I know my shit. I payed for my own car and my own insurance with the money ive saved and worked for. As for the easier to mod. The eclipse is easier. I want to see you simply bolt on a different turbo to a lude. You cant without all the extra parts. I can buy a 30$ mbc boost it up and kick my horsepower up 50hp. Can you spend 30$ and get 50hp on a lude? No. Will it be unrelible if i do that... Yeah. But thats not what this is about. Please dont take offense to any of this because I wasnt directing anything towards you.

no 30 bucks is goign to add 50 hp haha

uhh... Yeah it will... If i boost my psi from stock 9lbs to 25lbs... I will deff see 50 hp...

don't pay attention to freshmen in highschool. $30 for 50hp??? HAHAHA! :iamwithst

WTF... Are you an idiot? So you telling me that 16lbs more of boost wont give me 50hp? Your a f*cking dumbass. It deff. would. A decent boost controller will run around 30$. With that you can turn up the boost to 25. Would that be smart? No. Did i say i was doing it? No. Just giving some facts. What would you know about boost... You drive a honda... Enough said...

Learn what an engine is... OK? Learn how a turbo works... Learn what boost is... Maybe just maybe youll figure out that more boost=more power. 16 extra lbs would deffinatley put out 50 more hp. Go to the honda forums and talk body kits and neon maybe there you will find your place... For now since you dont know what your talking about... Go away!

more boost>>>>more power.

obviously.

you will have a less reliable engine, but thats not this guys point.

yea, it may give you a lot of extra horse power, but you also have to replace the factory pistons and a few other components that are going to run about 800$ installed, or your going to mess your engine up real bad

i think the stock eclipse motor should be able to take 18psi without anything breaking.

Thank you to Mike (M3) for being the only one who understands that post. The stock eclipse engine can handle about 20. I have a friend running 20psi with stock engine but he has 550 injectors and a walbro 250 pump. partyhardryan16 your right, it would mess up the engine and in order to run that much boost you would need to beef it up. I was just stating that you could get 50hp for 30$. Would I do this. No. Have stupid people done it. Yes. Did their engines last long after it? No.

i meant stock engine as in stock turbo, stock fuel pump, stock injectors, etc... so how much boost could it take safely with stock everything? its pretty pointless to say that you can get 50hp for 30 bucks by boosting, when your engines probably gonna mess up, and not run anymore.

Stock engine will do fine on 18psi, depending on where you live in elevation you might be able to run 20psi.

its pretty pointless to say that you can get 50hp for 30 bucks by boosting, when your engines probably gonna mess up, and not run anymore.
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From the M3 thread...

The Prelude handles better:)

It beat out the TSi AWD in the below 30k comparison and here it is going up against super cars and beating some. Ties Dodge Viper GTS, beats out the Corvette and the two Porches. And yes, they do tests for all sorts of things including high speed stability and handling.

http://speed.supercars.net/Board?viewThread=y&fID=8&tID=120349

In the below 30k category this is how things worked.(snips from article)

BMW 318i Sport

Chevy Camaro Z28

Eagle Talon TSi AWD

Ford Contour SVT

Honda Prelude SH

Mazda MX-5 Miata

They were all rated on steering response, lateral acceleration, corner

speed, braking, etc aroundthe Willow Springs International Raceway.

Here's how they placed: #6-Eagle Talon, #5-Contour SVT, #4 Camaro

Z28, #3- MX-5 Miata, #2-BMW 318i, and #1-Honda Prelude SH (winner).

"The Prelude wins with an untouchable combination of steering precision

and suspension stability. It also proves that 'excellent handling' and

'fun' are not one and the same. The Miata is the amusement-park ride;

this Honda fees more duty bound."

"Honda Preludes have been known for excellent handling since the second-generation model made its debut more than 15 years ago. And today's Prelude is no exception. With its new Active Torque Transfer System, it got a first place as "the best handling car for less than $30,000". The competition was among five other cars: an Eagle Talon TSi AWD, a Chevrolet Camaro Z28, a BMW 318i Sport, a Ford Contour, and a Mazda Miata.
The Prelude holds a Ph.D. in precision. The steering is sharp at all speeds, in all curves. Body roll is minimal, and squat and dive barely perceptible. Honda has facts and figures that demonstrate the virtues of ATTS in reduced steering input, reduced understeer, reduced yaw on a trailing throttle, and so on. The new Prelude continues to offer the attractive blend of virtues that makes it so like able: a screamer of an engine inside a nimble-handling, user-friendly coupe with a dash of Honda quality added to the mix. "

THE TSI AWD PLACED LAST OUT OF THE 6 CARS TESTED.

I don't care who you are, how long you've "grown up around cars"(who in North American hasn't been around cars their whole life in the last 30-40 years?). This is from a reputable magazine that was started in the early 60's and that's probably longer than most people on these boards have been alive. Here are the numbers a bunch of people sluffed off before, refute them with actual numbers which I know won't be happening. And the build quality and reliability of the Prelude is a lot higher than the DSM too.

wow! game, set, and match.
BTW nice sourcing Janet, i do think Car and Driver does know their stuff, but i still like Road & Track better.

which is faster, any year lude vs. 98 eclipse gsx

also what are the quarter mile time for both??


This guy started out asking which is faster a 98 eclipse gsx or any year lude, the GSX which is AWD is gonna leave any year prelude in the dust off the line stock vs. stock im not quite sure why every one is talking about the handling of the prelude vs. eclipse i mean I love the Eclipse and the Prelude as well but im I THINK the prelude will overall out handle the eclipse...but I KNOW that a 98 gsx awd will blow a prelude away in straight line speed period. Stock for stock noone can argue with that

The Eclipse GS-T and GSX are faster than the Prelude stock for stock. The Prelude handles better than both Eclipses. Reliability obviously goes to the Prelude as well. Eclipses are cheaper to modify though. Both cars have a lot to offer though. With these facts, take your pick.