Big Truck? Small penis!

Where did the american philosophy of bigger is better come from anyway.
And why does it always come back to automobiles.
I picked up the new issue of National Geographic the other day, and the cover story was about how the Earth is in it's final days of cheap oil (or any for that matter).
There's a really striking point made in the article about the bigger is better way of thinking.
A mom that had gone out and bought a Hummer, she was well aware of it's horrific gas mileage, (10mpg if you're lucky) high sticker price, pollution aspects and whatever else goes along with buying one.
Still bought one though. She said quote, "I don't mind the gas milelage because whenever I hit something I know I'll win." WHAT!! Are you serious.
This unfortunatly is the way many, many American's think. Oh, my truck is bigger so everyone else needs to get the hell out of my way.
What is this, automotive bullying crap? Where does it stop? Where can I go buy one of those 500 ton dumptrucks? The ones that have like 10 or 12ft. tall tires.
I might be able to fit on a two lane road, maybe. But. if I can't it won't matter, I can just smash through or run over anything in my way.
It's come to my attention that a lot of the people who end up driving these behemoth vehicles turn out to be women. I not saying they are the problem, but they sure as hell aren't part of the solution. I see it as a pychological condition.
A competition of the lowest decree. Go out and get the biggest boyfriend you can get, because he's going to protect you and kick the shit out of everyone if they mess with her.
That seems like the exact same reason why they end up behind the wheel of an F-350 Super Duty or whatever. They need the automobile that's bigger than everyone else's so it can run every one eles over if they feel threatened, and to hold a sense of personal power from the imtimidation factor due to the size of whatever they're driving.
The same however goes for guys. They feel the need to look intimidating and larger than life, mostly due to them having a wang they consider too small, so they get something huge to compensate for it. Is there a solid reason why the U.S. needs more trucks on the road than cars (which there is)?
Other than use for what they are intended for (you should know what that is) what good are they? :2cents:

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And they usually do hit their share of objects...curbs, light poles, shopping carts, my car, my dog etc....but they win every time! Hooray!

Eh most women dont like low to the ground cars espcially older ones. My mom likes suvs because shes comfortable and can sit abit high and see things. Course shes getting a reality check with the oil prices. In either case they should ban all Suv's in the states. I mean wtf is the point of them? We already have vans, pick up trucks theres no need for suvs.

People are self absorbed idiots, out of touch with reality. That's why SUVs are popular, but I don't think they should be banned, they do have their place, even if the vast majority of them are never used for their tiny narrow niche - and most are used by idiots who are compensating for a lack of something.

People are self absorbed idiots, out of touch with reality. That's why SUVs are popular, but I don't think they should be banned, they do have their place, even if the vast majority of them are never used for their tiny narrow niche - and most are used by idiots who are compensating for a lack of something.
I think 2strokebloke put it best.

People who don't need an SUV, but still own one are ruining the joys of owning a car. Selfish fuckers.

The "compensating for something" reasoning is childish. It could just as well be (and often is) used for people who drive high performance cars ( why would you need one? the speed limit is only 50 :p )

That being said, the SUV trend is silly. I dont mind the big ones so much since at least you can see the point to them - plenty of load space, well-built, and they can (if you want to) go anywhere. Its the little poser ones, like RAV4, CRV, etc that baffle brains. I have so far failed to see any point to those things.
- They are NOT safer in a crash ( I have seen an aftermath of a Suzuki Vitara vs Ford Fairmont crash and the SUV was in WORSE condition, the Ford t-boned it and folded the cabin half a metre inwards. Not to mention theyre more prone to roll-overs.)
- They are SLOW. A lot of them are powered by the same engines used in normal cars (like the 3sfe/3fge used in the camry and rav 4).
- They can NOT go offroad. They have crap clearance, weak suspension and shitty part-time 4wd systems. Those DO NOT WORK OFF ROAD.
- They are impractical. (You mean my Camry s/w can seat 7 people and your SUV can seat 5 ?? :lol: )

- They can NOT go offroad. They have crap clearance, weak suspension and shitty part-time 4wd systems. Those DO NOT WORK OFF ROAD.


I don't see the difference between people who own a huge suv and never go offroad and people who own a "poser" suv and never go offroad. How many women driving H2s do you see heading to the Rubicon for the weekend? It's a status symbol, not a necessity. At least the posers burn less fuel and "pose" less of an accident hazard on the roads...

Where did the american philosophy of bigger is better come from anyway.
And why does it always come back to automobiles.
I picked up the new issue of National Geographic the other day, and the cover story was about how the Earth is in it's final days of cheap oil (or any for that matter).
There's a really striking point made in the article about the bigger is better way of thinking.
A mom that had gone out and bought a Hummer, she was well aware of it's horrific gas mileage, (10mpg if you're lucky) high sticker price, pollution aspects and whatever else goes along with buying one.
Still bought one though. She said quote, "I don't mind the gas milelage because whenever I hit something I know I'll win." WHAT!! Are you serious.
This unfortunatly is the way many, many American's think. Oh, my truck is bigger so everyone else needs to get the hell out of my way.
What is this, automotive bullying crap? Where does it stop? Where can I go buy one of those 500 ton dumptrucks? The ones that have like 10 or 12ft. tall tires.
I might be able to fit on a two lane road, maybe. But. if I can't it won't matter, I can just smash through or run over anything in my way.
It's come to my attention that a lot of the people who end up driving these behemoth vehicles turn out to be women. I not saying they are the problem, but they sure as hell aren't part of the solution. I see it as a pychological condition.
A competition of the lowest decree. Go out and get the biggest boyfriend you can get, because he's going to protect you and kick the shit out of everyone if they mess with her.
That seems like the exact same reason why they end up behind the wheel of an F-350 Super Duty or whatever. They need the automobile that's bigger than everyone else's so it can run every one eles over if they feel threatened, and to hold a sense of personal power from the imtimidation factor due to the size of whatever they're driving.
The same however goes for guys. They feel the need to look intimidating and larger than life, mostly due to them having a wang they consider too small, so they get something huge to compensate for it. Is there a solid reason why the U.S. needs more trucks on the road than cars (which there is)?
Other than use for what they are intended for (you should know what that is) what good are they? :2cents:

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I wouldn't expect a euro to understand this. You just now picked up on this, americans have been like this since cars first came out, it's how we are. And besides our gas prices aren't nearly as high as yours, so we've never really been as concerned about it. We're the same way about our cars, our buddy gets a fast car, and we have to get a faster one, we dont care about gas mileage.

Do I come off as a "Euro?" That's odd.
Although I have been through many European countries, but I was born and have lived my whole life in the Good 'Old U.S. of A.-holes. America needs to get slapped harder than Ike did Tina about how much actual oil is left on this planet. The reason people aren't concerned about it is the oil comanies don't want you to know, and most people are to dumb to look into the problem themselves.
Remember the saying "ignorance is bliss?"
This country is an adolecent in the means of how long countries have been around. The U.S. is a teenager going through puberty and is about to find out the harsh reality of life.

The problem with the gigantic SUVs versus the "poser" SUVs is that most people REALLY do not need any of the room found in huge ones (such as the Seqouia, Armada, and Excursion) and rarely do they ever use them. My sister has a CRV and she uses it all time, it works a lot better than my Accord in the snow. Although, I wouldn't say the power or space provided by it is much better.

I have no problem with people who buy gigantic SUVs to deliver shit in them, or transport things for long distances (of course, there are more efficient vehicles out there), or they live down long dirt roads and know what it's like to drive a lowered Accord down them (<<< Shitty as hell). Buying an H2 for the purpose of getting coffee at Starbucks is like buying a G5 to check your email (and no I'm not a Mac user, but you get the point).

If you own a big truck/SUV, do not be surprised when you find parking to be difficult. And be even LESS surprised when you take up 2-3 parking spots (I've seen Ford F350s do this) and come out to find your truck has been fucked up by someone you pissed off. Everyone else can park in these parking spots like normal, but what the hell makes you so fucking special that you can take up more than one and force someone else to go find another one out in the middle of nowhere?

If you own a big truck/SUV, do not be surprised when you find parking to be difficult. And be even LESS surprised when you take up 2-3 parking spots (I've seen Ford F350s do this) and come out to find your truck has been fucked up by someone you pissed off. Everyone else can park in these parking spots like normal, but what the hell makes you so fucking special that you can take up more than one and force someone else to go find another one out in the middle of nowhere?
Blame the idiots that can't fucking drive. They are the morons, not the decent/good drivers in trucks/suvs. I never have trouble parking, unless some dumbass decides to park and park over the white line. I've seen cars take up multiple spots as well. blame the person, they can't park and if that's the case they can't drive worth a shit either.

What about lowered trucks, do you feel the same about them or trucks are truck? Just wondering.

Eh most women dont like low to the ground cars espcially older ones.

i don't mind low to the ground cars:biggrin:.. i like :naughty:

Eh most women dont like low to the ground cars espcially older ones. My mom likes suvs because shes comfortable and can sit abit high and see things. Course shes getting a reality check with the oil prices. In either case they should ban all Suv's in the states. I mean wtf is the point of them? We already have vans, pick up trucks theres no need for suvs.

What, older women or older cars? If she wants to be comfortable tell her to get a Volvo, wagen, not one of their s.u.v.'s, geez everyone has 'em for sale don't they.
Why do you have to sit up high to see things? Your supposed to be paying attention to your driving. The only reason you'd have to sit up high as it were, would be so you can see over the other big s.u.v. in front of you. The futher up you sit when you are driving also makes a blind spot right in front of you. At the risk of getting my car run over by one at a stoplight, I always have to be ready to move if one decides to go before me. I've see it happen. (I was in the car that was hit.)

While it is true that a vast majority of SUVs sold are intended to be status symbols, I don't tihnk it to the point where vehicles need to be 'banned'. I've driven my fare share of cars, all the way form Buicks to Mercedes, as well as a number of trucks as well. I prefer four wheel drive trucks. I like the ride quality of them and I like their abilities. I actually do drive off road for fun on weekends, my little SUV actually does get dirty. :smile: I would never buy a H2, but I would have no qualms about buying a 3/4 or 1 ton pickup as a daily driver. It's what I like. :smile:

I am amused at the gas prices these days; they are giving the big SUV drivers some just reward.
If they NEED the room, they will happily pay. However, there are lots of full size SUV drivers cursing them and wishing they had bought the downsized SUV instead.
I am also amused at how much some mid sized and smaller SUVs weigh. Back in the 80's, my 3900 lb Fleetwood was a BIG car. Now, there are lots of smaller SUVs that are much heavier than that. Where does the weight go??

"I don't mind the gas milelage because whenever I hit something I know I'll win."

my gun is bigger than any SUV

but anyways, you are right, and i think it was 2strokebloke or someone who said this but they said the world is overppopulated, gas is high priced, and parking spots are small, who the hell would ever want a SUV...

Not only do I want one, I'll probably own one before the year is out. :sunglasse

I admit it is annoying to when soccer moms are whipping around town in their Tahoes but People like myself get a bad name for owning a truck. I use mine all the time for work and Play. I am an active guy, I ride dirtbikes, Fish,Kayak and do Side jobs on weekends which I need the bed space to haul wood, cement etc... My truck fits fine in a reg parking space, Usually its the import with the new body kit and racing stickers that parks across two spots to keep everyone away..
Driving Conditions here in MA push me towards my 4x4 My street is one of the last to be plowed and the unpredictable Coastal Storms Dump 1-3 feet of snow within hours leaving most cars Stranded. Lastly, I can drive whatever the hell I want Whether it be an Insight or a Hummer, I have decided to drive what fits my lifestyle and thats the great thing about life is that its your choice.. People work too hard every day to pay for their possessions, Its stupid to pay for something that you dont enjoy using, or doesnt work for your needs.
-Jimmy

It's funny that owning an SUV is more important to some people than what kind of world their children will have to live in because of thier actions.
That people believe it's more important to defend a person's right to make a bad choice, than to defend the right of everybody to live in a world where oil is still abundant, cars are safe, and cities aren't choked with smog and traffic.
Isn't it wonderful when people have their priorities so far out of whack?
Off roading is fun, but it doesn't make sense to buy an SUV which isn't even good off-road, and then use it EVERY DAY to commute through traffic to work - but by golly, we should take advantage of that right to be stupid, because that's worth far more than our ozone layer!:) On a lighter note...

My truck fits fine in a reg parking space, Usually its the import with the new body kit and racing stickers that parks across two spots to keep everyone away..
By Import, you must mean "BMW"
Usually when a truck is taking up more than one space, it's a Ford F-350 driven by somebody who shouldn't even be allowed to operate a vehicle on public streets.

whats funny is the lack of acknowledgment of the peak oil crisis. we are either at, or rapidly approaching, a time when the oil production will be incredably unable to keep up with the demand.

i also cant help but laugh at those bus driving morons (no, an escalade is not an SUV, its a short bus) at the gas pumps shelling out 50 dollars to fill up, and get only 150-200 miles out of it, while i pay 25 and my prelude will go 375 miles before my gas light even comes on.

and the H2? what the hell? its an over celebrated suburban with a boxy bodykit, what do people not understand about that?

there was an article the other day in the news called "thats so american" and it was a bunch of things the author saw that demonstrated our culture, and my favorite one was the blonde with silicone boobs, big poofy hair and talking on a cell phone pulls into a gas station in her SUV and pays for a bag of chips and a coke with a credit card.

Obviously not a Topic we will ever see eye to eye on but to Brand anyone who drives a truck or SUV an Ignorant American who cant Drive or Park is Wrong, When I say Import I mean Riced out Hondas and Toyotas, I dont see you Shitting on Firebirds, Mustangs etc.. they use just as much gas if not more and I see tons of them commuting on the Highways. I live a little over a mile from work, If I had to commute into the city I would gladly Trade my truck in for a Maxima or Accord. My friend Works in Boston every day and Wanted to buy a Pathfinder, After reasoning with him I talked him into Driving a new Maxima SE and he ended up leaving the dealership with one. This is a kid who never goes camping will never go offroad, and doesnt need the cargo space and drives 20 mins each way to work every day, You people need to stop blaming people who drive SUVs and Trucks for the Collapse of the world, There are plenty of things everyone uses in excess all the time that Damage the ozone layer.. its just easier to Target people who dont want or have no use for a Dirt old Honda or toyota 4cyl. I do agree that People dont understand how to operate an SUV properly and Try and Drive them like cars.. Maybe Dealers should be made give a Drivers safety course for First time buyers. Either way you will always have Crazy people who drive like maniacs on the road.
-Jimmy

Sorry Bloke, but I think its wacky to try and impose what someone else feels is right. Choice is the most important thing in life. It would be nice if choices people made weren't sometimes selfish. I think its crazy and selfish to for a liberal democrat. It makes no sense at all for anyone who wants to make their own way in the world. However, does that mean that people shouldn't just because some of us feel that way? Of course not. It would be better for the environment, quality of life and children if they didn't, but it is their choice and I'll defend that over anything else.

I defend education. I don't like laws, and I feel people should have common sense. But where lacking, education can show them what the proper choices are, laws do nothing (about these kinds of problems) because people simply see them as being against what is bad, instead of making the proper choice themselves - like the seatbelt laws, "I'm buckling up because if I don't I'll get a ticket" instead of "I'm buckling up, because I don't want to smash my head open against the top of the windshield if I crash"
But if it were to actually come to defending one right against an other, I would defend the rights of everybody, rather than a selfish few who just want to have their way, and have their way now - even if it's just because they don't know any better.

whats funny is the lack of acknowledgment of the peak oil crisis. we are either at, or rapidly approaching, a time when the oil production will be incredably unable to keep up with the demand.

i also cant help but laugh at those bus driving morons (no, an escalade is not an SUV, its a short bus) at the gas pumps shelling out 50 dollars to fill up, and get only 150-200 miles out of it, while i pay 25 and my prelude will go 375 miles before my gas light even comes on.

and the H2? what the hell? its an over celebrated suburban with a boxy bodykit, what do people not understand about that?

there was an article the other day in the news called "thats so american" and it was a bunch of things the author saw that demonstrated our culture, and my favorite one was the blonde with silicone boobs, big poofy hair and talking on a cell phone pulls into a gas station in her SUV and pays for a bag of chips and a coke with a credit card.

:1:

Hey, I drive a big truck and I don't even have a penis. (some major penis envy though!!) :smokin:

I dont see you Shitting on Firebirds, Mustangs etc.. they use just as much gas if not more and I see tons of them commuting on the Highways.

actually a trans am gets 28-30 mpg

mustang gt: 25-27 mpg

escalade: 16mpg

yup, 10 mpg difference is "just as much" :biggrin:

Actually a NEW Mustang GT gets 17-25 mpg, the most recent LOWEST horsepower Trans Am gets 18-26 and the Escalade gets 13-17. Skewing facts to win arguments is a :nono: :)

Hey, I drive a big truck and I don't even have a penis. (some major penis envy though!!) :smokin:
OMG nekkid sex pics now kthx. ;)

Oz, stfub.

Trucks and SUVs can suck my ass crack. Oh, and Crustangs, Firebirds, TAs and a whole list of other shitty cars driven by shitty people.

You want to know what it's like to be you against the world of vehicles? Get on a motorcycle for ONE DAY. Just count how many times you *almost* get rear-ended, get cut-off, get merged-into. And you wanna know who does it? It's guys AND girls in all sorts of vehicles, but oddly enough it's almost always some asshole on a cell phone, and more often than not, it's NOT the Accords, Civics, Celicas, Camrys, Maximas, etc. It's the gas-guzzling bastard vehicles... kinda ironic that my 50mpg bike is nearly taken-out by fuckers in cars that can't even get 50mpg at idle.

SUVs and trucks have their place in society, but I can ASSURE you it's not to "roll on dubs" with shitty music blasting out of 80000 megawatt amps and subs.

Sorry Bloke, but I think its wacky to try and impose what someone else feels is right. Choice is the most important thing in life. It would be nice if choices people made weren't sometimes selfish. I think its crazy and selfish to for a liberal democrat. It makes no sense at all for anyone who wants to make their own way in the world. However, does that mean that people shouldn't just because some of us feel that way? Of course not. It would be better for the environment, quality of life and children if they didn't, but it is their choice and I'll defend that over anything else.

You should try to pass a law to get murderers out of prison too. I mean who are we or the government to take away their freedom to choose murder?


PS. Sorry for the sarcarsm but the analogy stands.

Actually a NEW Mustang GT gets 17-25 mpg, the most recent LOWEST horsepower Trans Am gets 18-26 and the Escalade gets 13-17. Skewing facts to win arguments is a :nono: :)


His point still stands, there is a big difference between their MPG.

Easy tiger. I can almost see that vein popping out of your forehead from here. ;)

Oz, stfub.

Trucks and SUVs can suck my ass crack. Oh, and Crustangs, Firebirds, TAs and a whole list of other shitty cars driven by shitty people.

You want to know what it's like to be you against the world of vehicles? Get on a motorcycle for ONE DAY. Just count how many times you *almost* get rear-ended, get cut-off, get merged-into. And you wanna know who does it? It's guys AND girls in all sorts of vehicles, but oddly enough it's almost always some asshole on a cell phone, and more often than not, it's NOT the Accords, Civics, Celicas, Camrys, Maximas, etc. It's the gas-guzzling bastard vehicles... kinda ironic that my 50mpg bike is nearly taken-out by fuckers in cars that can't even get 50mpg at idle.

SUVs and trucks have their place in society, but I can ASSURE you it's not to "roll on dubs" with shitty music blasting out of 80000 megawatt amps and subs.
Would you still be bitching about gas mileage if you got rear ended by a Jetta TDi or Insight? :thefinger

Would you still be bitching about gas mileage if you got rear ended by a Jetta TDi or Insight? :thefinger

The Jetta might do some damage. My bike has more cylinders than an Insight... I'd just rev up, dump the clutch and be gone... that or throw ball bearings at it. I'm still developing that system, though.

As for the Jetta TDi... my bike doesn't create as much ground level ozone as diesel fuel.







Oh, and entirely unrelated... Scientists believe that the ozone is in a "phase" right now, and will possibly "heal itself" in the next 100 years. Just a little tidbit from the PA department of environmental protection.

Oh....You think you won that? That's only round one baby!


Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to find some fast electric cars :thefinger

Actually a NEW Mustang GT gets 17-25 mpg, the most recent LOWEST horsepower Trans Am gets 18-26 and the Escalade gets 13-17. Skewing facts to win arguments is a :nono: :)

actually i pulled those facts off of edmunds.com, which uses the EPA findings. all are for the 2000 models, which i figured you'd see the most of on the road.

im sure different sites get different figures, but even with your figures, my point was still made

Oz, stfub.

Trucks and SUVs can suck my ass crack. Oh, and Crustangs, Firebirds, TAs and a whole list of other shitty cars driven by shitty people.

You want to know what it's like to be you against the world of vehicles? Get on a motorcycle for ONE DAY. Just count how many times you *almost* get rear-ended, get cut-off, get merged-into. And you wanna know who does it? It's guys AND girls in all sorts of vehicles, but oddly enough it's almost always some asshole on a cell phone, and more often than not, it's NOT the Accords, Civics, Celicas, Camrys, Maximas, etc. It's the gas-guzzling bastard vehicles... kinda ironic that my 50mpg bike is nearly taken-out by fuckers in cars that can't even get 50mpg at idle.

SUVs and trucks have their place in society, but I can ASSURE you it's not to "roll on dubs" with shitty music blasting out of 80000 megawatt amps and subs.
I understand you're anger. It is the drivers though. Whenever I see someone on a bike especially if it's a bad ass crotch rocket, I let off the gas and move farther over in my lane away from them if at all possible. And I know they appreciate it b/c almost everytime I do it they give me a wave of thanks. One guy even looked at me, waved, and then popped a wheelie. That was pretty sweet.

I know people who have died in bike accidents or been involved in them.

Who cares about gas mileage? If you want the big truck or SUV you get used to paying a sh*t ton for gas all the time. I got used to it. I've driven trucks all my life. if you go from driving a Geo Metro to driving a big V8, then yeah, you will probably b*tch about paying all the extra for gas!!!!! :smokin:

I agree with you. SUV's ,nowadays are used for nothing. As daily drivers. Buy a nice honda or whatever thatt doesnt waste that much gas. I always see these tiny women who cant drive in suvs....annys the heck out of me.

Let's see, who cares about gas milelage?
Everyone but people who drive oversized trucks and S.U.V.s that's who. And that's the problem.
Do you have any idea how much oil is left in the world?
Estimates are about 15 to 25 years left. Then no more oil to make the gas you guzzle while at the same time pay no attention to what you are doing.
Why do you think the Arab countries hate us so much, and the rest of the world for that matter.
It's what, like 8 or 9 Euro's a gallon in Europe, and averages about $2.50 a gallon here.
What are you gonna do in 5, ten years? Are you still gonna pay that much when it gets that expensive in the U.S.
When you go to fill up your Excursion and it cost four or five hundred dollars to fill up, don't come crying back to us.

/\ Exactly. Buy a Honduh. :icon16:

NO! Buy a cool ass Mk1 Golf like in your sig.

Over here most SUVs are diesel. My boss's Toyota Hilux Surf only costs about US $25 to fill up (i think that car is called the 4Runner in the states, but not too sure)

Over here most SUVs are diesel. My boss's Toyota Hilux Surf only costs about US $25 to fill up (i think that car is called the 4Runner in the states, but not too sure)

Yeah, that's a 4Runner. I bet it gets good fuel economy too. We only got gas powered ones in the states. :mad:

NO! Buy a cool ass Mk1 Golf like in your sig.
Good idea. :smile:

Where is over here Tank, if I might ask.

15-25 years my ass. In under half that time, automakers will have so many hybrid vehicles that even the sports car enthusiasts will be satisfied with them. This will extend that number significantly.

I'm going to go drive my classic-chevrolet-10mpg-V8-powered truck around now, because I like to.

Try more like 17-20 mpg

Where is over here Tank, if I might ask.

New Zealand.

Try more like 17-20 mpg

Try more like 10.. I know my own truck (if that's what you were referencing).

15-25 years is an incredably conservative estimate. most peak oil experts give us at least another 50

It might last 50, but nobody will be able to afford it because it'll cost $100 a gallon.
Just wait, this is gonna turn into The Road Warrior near the end of the time of oil.

At the technicians meeting i had today, one of the things we discussed was that in about a year or two hybrid style trucks would be hitting our dealerships, they're going to start sales on the east coast and work their way here. Obviously GM is making some kind of effort to please the radical e.p.a dicks.

At the technicians meeting i had today, one of the things we discussed was that in about a year or two hybrid style trucks would be hitting our dealerships, they're going to start sales on the east coast and work their way here. Obviously GM is making some kind of effort to please the radical e.p.a dicks.
The dumbest part is that hybrids don't really get good mileage.

:iagree:

You want good milelage get a Lupo TDI they get way better milelage that any hybrid peice 'o crap,http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/155216Vag_084-med.jpg and they look cool to boot!
I just wish the U.S. had the mind to actually get them shipped over here.

Or Polo. :icon16:

:werd:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=503/61447my360.jpg

Or go with a 360! O.K. so it's not as good as the Lupo, but at 60mpg it's still good - and it's a classic.

We do have the jetta tdi, cant complain about 300lbs of torque and 50 mpg :naughty:

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/155216Vag_084-med.jpg vs. http://www.specktransportation.com/images/excursion.gif

Is that why?