V-tech

I just heard that all of hondas new cars are v-tech...is this true?

What is v-tech exactly? and does it pose a real threat to MX3s on the strip?

I've beat a couple V-tech civics, but I don't know what their full potential is.

V-Tech is a Phone... LOL

it's Vtec, Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control A Honda proprietary system in which cam timing, valve duration and lift is varied according to the needs of the driver -- fuel economy (normal driving) and power (pedal to the metal). Each cam has two profiles and rpm determines the shifting from one profile to the other.

BTW I found that on Google and it was one of the first results, try there first before asking here dude, you'll get your answers faster.

V-tech engines on EG6 Civics have no worry for the stock K8 V-6, now newer civics like the EK9, and the new ones (unsure of the #) but those have a good bit of more HP than our stock V-6... but with a tuned KLZE even the top end V-techs put out around 215hp (If I remember correctly for the new SI civic) but we should be able to toast it... the SRT-4 is a little bigger of a worry, mainly cuz it has a turbo and inercooler even stock it only puts out 215, but after tuning these newer cars could be quite fast, mainly because they start out with more HP... and we may start getting over our heads.

Ok... there is V-Tech and Vtec... here are two examples:

V-Tech vs. Vtec
http://www.users.qwest.net/~thepresserfoot/vtech.jpg

Conclusion: VTECH is a phone, and I would not suggest buying an engine by VTECH. :lol:

Have any of you actually raced a Vtec? They're just noisemakers. I'll use the B16A as an example; from average stock dynos it produces ~160hp/128lb @ 7500rpm. This problem is usually exacerbated by the fact that most Vtec users prefer turbos over supers. Why in God's name you would want even more lag for your power curve is beyond me, but to each his own I suppose.

Now, a KLZE has ~200hp@5600rpm and 158lb@4700rpm. A properly tuned KLZE with forced induction should rip the snot out of those high-revving ricers right off the starting line with little to no real effort.

Of course, I don't like Hondas at all, so my opinions are highly biased and should be taken with a grain of salt. That said, however, I encourage you to actually watch a Vtec race against a well-tuned opponent and see just how well it fares.

Have any of you actually raced a Vtec? They're just noisemakers. I'll use the B16A as an example; from average stock dynos it produces ~160hp/128lb @ 7500rpm. This problem is usually exacerbated by the fact that most Vtec users prefer turbos over supers. Why in God's name you would want even more lag for your power curve is beyond me, but to each his own I suppose.

Now, a KLZE has ~200hp@5600rpm and 158lb@4700rpm. A properly tuned KLZE with forced induction should rip the snot out of those high-revving ricers right off the starting line with little to no real effort.

Of course, I don't like Hondas at all, so my opinions are highly biased and should be taken with a grain of salt. That said, however, I encourage you to actually watch a Vtec race against a well-tuned opponent and see just how well it fares.

:sly: so now we refer to engines as rice and are saying "..a vtec race..."

ok...every car company makes their own form vtec for their engines...itz just that vtec for hondas engines has become well known

as far as watching a civic with a vtec engine racing a well-tuned car...here's a link to a few http://cheesefrog.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1

haha cheesfrog kicks ass.

Now I am a full-fledged MX3 fan. I love my car and cant wait to get my ZE running. But common dude, you gotta be fair.

You're saying your gonna race a 4 cylinder, with 40 less ponies and far less torque, versus a 6 cylinder with 40 more and quite a bit more torque throughout the powerband and call that fair? NO $&$^ the mx3 ZE wins, its got 40 more hp and when on F/I it also has more exhaust flow = more boost.

Honda Vtec is awesome. If you feel threatened by a 1.6L 4 banger while in your 2.5L 6 cylinder, then you owe the 4 banger some props.

I'm sorry, but I'm never scared of a 4 banger...I've raced quite a few civics, and I'm proud to say that none of them have pulled on me. Some have gotten close, but they don't have the high speed power that the mx3 does. Freeway and from stop light to stop light, I've never been beaten by a civic or accord.

You're saying your gonna race a 4 cylinder, with 40 less ponies and far less torque, versus a 6 cylinder with 40 more and quite a bit more torque throughout the powerband and call that fair? NO $&$^ the mx3 ZE wins, its got 40 more hp and when on F/I it also has more exhaust flow = more boost.

I've raced quite a few civics, and I'm proud to say that none of them have pulled on me. Some have gotten close, but they don't have the high speed power that the mx3 does.

:uhoh:

hahaha yea... *whoosh* :lol:

Civics can be made REALLY fast, pretty easily dude. There are some civics roaming around with Supra numbers at the wheels... its just sick.

anyways firefly... If a civic has never beaten you.. and IIRC you have a 1.8L K8... then either A) you're lying, or B) Most people dont *try* when they race you... or C) only 1989 Civic CX's race you

I used to have a K8 and I know that I used to get spanked by a few civics around here. I could beat the stock ones... it was close with a few but I would pull ahead. But a civic with a few mods will take the MX3 V6 most of the time or it will be close. IMHO stock MX3 V6's are slow... they're built too heavy.

you have to remember that I live in southern california, home of the fast and the furious movement...aka, ricer central. There are very few people around that actually have cars that will run faster than 17 sec. Most civics around here are pieces of junk.

"I'm sorry, but I'm never scared of a 4 banger...I've raced quite a few civics, and I'm proud to say that none of them have pulled on me. Some have gotten close, but they don't have the high speed power that the mx3 does. Freeway and from stop light to stop light, I've never been beaten by a civic or accord."firefly948

for real an accord would beat an v6 mx3 easily with its 2.2 dohc

yep... even a ZE barely passes ahead of an H22

well, all I know is that I have taken out several accords, one of which looked like it may have been modded, at least with intake and exhaust. It was kind of close, but it was clear that I won.

definately all four bangers... even an Automatic V6 will rip you a new one.

Psst just to let you guys in on alittle secret displacement matters a bit more than number of cyclinders and most 4cyl are bigger than our little 1.8L V6 so not a big suprise that they might be able to beat us.

i dislike hondas but if they will sit there and talk up there 4 bangers then after we smoke them they cry that we have two more cylinders then them thats pretty F***ed up there all talk then find me a civic or accord that will beat my klze, turbo'd probe

dont uderestimate the power of a civic, civics are a wide group of cars such as crx and del sols which branched off of a civic n i know you wont beat a swaped crx because i be the first person to tell you your not beating a boosted b series crx

and i tell you another thing i also think its f*&%ed up that i run around with a 4 (banger) and still beating all you 6 n 8 cylinder people. With me being the underdog n all

they still fucking suck racing a honda is like being in the special olympics even if u win your still a retard

:lol: that is so old...like almost 2 years old

firefly948: you do know tha weight is a big factor too right? they weigh about 400lbs more then your car, and teh 1.8l v6 is concidered by many to be a joke motor and the i4 base motor is concidered to be better for modifying.

And your v6 makes less hp/tq then my Escort and weights about the same

dude u are sayin that ure 4 banger mx3 took out so many civic and accords but i think u are full of shit man the gs model 3 is slow as hell even with a great driver and some mods a vtech accord would kick ure ass

Vtech Is A Phone Idiots!

alright... honestly if you think your 4 bangin mx3 is fast... your an idiot... and youve probably not driven anthing other than a metro. I have one... and wish i didn't. Yep i wish i had a Vtec... that would kick. Im selling my piece of crap mx 1 1/2 for a teg... Only the mx3's klze's are fast..

tegs are over rated vtec isnt shit,
160hp vtec 99 Si = 15.5 1/4
143hp 00 ZX2 S/R = 15.5 1/4

it takes 17hp and "vtec" to make up for 19ft/lbs of tq

a GSR(170hp) Teg will only tap 14.9 great drive on a great track driver in a 160 crank escort will run the same time with a good driver on a good track (15.1 with a broken motor mount, street tires, and a shitty 60ft(2.7))

Vtec is an excuse for no tq

a ford escort did u just say it was FAST are u kidding me ? escorts suck. i mean first of all they look gay and then they are slow and finally they have a ford badge on em.
get a real car

suck? zx2 15.7 1/4
whats the 1/4 on a mx3? 16.6
stock for stock an escort makes a MX3 look like a joke, v6 or i4. and the s/r makes it look even worse

and whats the stock 1/4 for a mx6? about 15.6 congrats your .1 ahead of 13k car adn stoll lsower then an s/r

looks are a personal opinion so tha fact that you even tried to state that as a fact shows you have no leg to stand on, and dont know what you are talking about.
and show me where i ever used the word "fast"

tegs are over rated vtec isnt shit,
160hp vtec 99 Si = 15.5 1/4
143hp 00 ZX2 S/R = 15.5 1/4

it takes 17hp and "vtec" to make up for 19ft/lbs of tq

a GSR(170hp) Teg will only tap 14.9 great drive on a great track driver in a 160 crank escort will run the same time with a good driver on a good track (15.1 with a broken motor mount, street tires, and a shitty 60ft(2.7))

Vtec is an excuse for no tq

It may not be, but its better than a 4 bangin mx3... and for the money i have im getting a turbo ls, which wont break the bank... and still be fast... and honestly who cares about an escort... its like dumping money into a buick.. even if it is a faster car... you cant justify it

same with an mx6, civic or integra, either way its still an econobox. and an escort doesnt need swaps to make good power.

and Ever here of a grand national? its a Buick, turbo 3.8 v6's EVERYONE respects them unless they are car stupid, same with the SC 3.8 regal

yeah ive heard of a grand national who hasent, and yeah they are respected they should be and so should vtec, honda created a great thing and u need to acknolege it man.

they didnt creat shit, vvt and vct type systems have been out since the 1930's, they were just the 1st to use it to do more then just emissions.

ok yeah ure right
they were the first to use that tecnology and they had the balls to take a chance and put it out there for retards like u to complain about.
escort.....why?

like i said, they wernet the 1st to use it, wat part of "since the 1930's" dont you get?

wny escort? how about the fact it cost 13k 130hp 128tq but can still give a MX6, Si or SVTf a run for t money and cost 5k less? or a 16k S/R that has 143hp 140tq and can beat an Si, and run dead even in the 1/4 and autoX with the SVTf and still cost less?

Why and escort? cuz its the best bang for the buck. name a car since 98 that cost 13k(10k if the dealer works with you) and can run high 15's?

ya know what man i really dont care cuz i know and everyone one else knows that escorts are not cool idont care if they are cheap and can run 15.7 1/4 mile stock or if they can go 0-60 in 7.4 seconds,
becuz u still are drivin a ford escort, a car that nobody really respects ,u could race virtually anyone in that car, and they wouldnt think twice about racin u cuz its an escort, wasent it u who said that hondas are ''econoboxs'' and a zx2 is a cheap car that performs decent from the factory,im sorry but i think a escort is an''econobox''

Who the hell respects MX6's or MX3's? no one i know

lol whats a mx6? DEFINALTY not an performance car, neither is a SVTf or honda Si, they are jusp supscale econoboxes

i never said my car was a performance car but since u brought it up a 1997 mx6 has 160 hp and 150-160 ft pounds
so compared to ure escorts hp and torque it doesent perform as well a an escorts 4 zetec but i still dont like escorts and nuthins gunna change my mind man

[QUOTE=zx2srdotnet]same with an mx6, civic or integra, either way its still an econobox. and an escort doesnt need swaps to make good power.

Wow your an idiot
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2261
you say the escort isnt an econobox and yet the honda b-series are? wow...
as for doesnt need swap obviously you have never heard the letters/numbers B 1 6 B or B 1 6 A 2 or B 1 8 C 5 in that order before have you now... no swaps out the b16a2 you idiot, unless they are puttin in the h22a or f series.... as for your numbers....i didnt check to see you what you said but its 130hp with 127-135 ft/lbs. torque... thats the same as a 5th gen celica gt... which is not that great.heck the b18b1 is a 1.8 and gets 126ft. torque and 142 horsepower, and that is on the lower end of the b-series. HAHAHAHA you think the escort isnt an ECONOMY CAR!!! hahahahahah

im with u man i think that the escort guys a retard
i mean face the facts man
escorts = gay

I never said an Escort isnt an econobox. show me where i did

and it doesnt say much for honda when its 160hp B motor can only run even with a 143hp Zetec and the NEW 160hp motor is only running with a 130hp zetec. 160hp 132tq but can only run high 15's for 19k? sounds like a over priced piece of shit to me

ZX2 S/R 143hp 140tq 16k 15.5
00 Si 160hp 111tq 19k 15.5 as i siad b4 it takes vtec and 17hp to make up for the tq
02 Si 160hp 132tq 19k 15.7 yeah honda is REALLY validating that price
for 3k you can have an S/R in the 14's or 6k in a zx2 would put it in the 13's and still have only spend a total of 19k
so why the hell would i spend the money on a over priced honda?


No mater how you look at it honda stock for stock its hp doesnt mean shit cuz it doesnt have the tq to back it up

ok i shall bow down to the escort king
whos stock car is better than anything in the world.
thanks for making me laugh

better then your car. thats all you ned to know

''that is all i ned to know''
wow, not only are u a car genius but also a spelling bee champ

[QUOTE=zx2srdotnet]same with an mx6, civic or integra, either way its still an econobox. and an escort doesnt need swaps to make good power.

your an idiot... you just said that those cars are "econoboxes" and therefore slow and gay, yet in the same sentence you distanced the escort from those type of cars.... and now your saying "i never said the escort isnt an econobox... well if you didnt you codemned them yourself retard.

wow you have a freaking one track mind... civic... thats it... if you havent learned retard.. that includes acuras. The civic is not the only car built by honda... the prelude,puts out some decent torque. dont just pick the slowest one and condemn the whole company.... and i dont buy my honda new, and i would own a honda and drive it for 300k miles than the crap quality that ford produces... you can pay 13k for your dumb car, id own an integra for 3k and drive it longer... its a ford... you argue that it is reliable... you get what you pay for. Thats why honda resale is high stupid.... i know WE SHOULD TUNE A CONTOUR!!!! that would be awesome... A ford is a sorry excuse for an unrealiable cheap quality car, and you cant deny that their quality is crap. Can i get an amen on that one?

i said "make good power" i didnt same it came stock with beter power then any of those cars

A prelude was designed as the honda performance car and cost about 26k when new.

ther are many zx2's and escort that have well over 150k on them, you wan unreliable look at chevy, and ask the guy down the road from me that has blown 3 gsr motors with minor bolt-ons how great honda motors are

the best time i can find for a stock prelude is 14.8
the reason i didnt bring te prelude up is who it was aimed at, a 26k car isnt aimed at college kids that want performance and good milage

hmmm 13k escort +10k in mods = 320+ whp and still have 3k for suspention

either way you have a 26k car that is only .7 ahead of an escort or .2 ahead of an escort with bolt-ons. Face it. Honda is over priced and as of late a lot of american cars are becoming on par with foreign cars since Mazda=ford, toyota=chevy and benz/eclipse=dodge

look at the market in 2003:
21k SRT-4 13.9
18k SVTfocus 15.3
18k Mazdaspeed Protege 15.2
15k Cavalier 15.6
14k Sunfire 15.6
13k ZX2 15.7

Then there is honda: 19k Civic Si 15.7 2nd highest cost yet tie for last in performance.
Even in magazine shoot outs Si lost to the SVT in all categories

I can get a honda used for under 13k that lasts longer than your car, for instance a gsr... or even a type r for that matter, that would kick your car in the nuts... and it will last longer... and it would be cheaper... so more money for mods. Americans are not on par for quality whatsoever.... mazda doesnt equal ford you moron...because a company owns 30% of their stock... it doesnt mean they own the whole dang company... and the parts only go one directional for the most part... hmmm a geo prizm has a corolla engine, but does a corolla have a geo engine...? probes have a ton of mazdas parts in them, but my friends mx6 has a freaking ford maf.... thats all ive seen so far. How bout a pontiac vibe? Did toyota use a pontiac engine in the matrix? NO! the other way around. The only one that may work for is mitsubishi, americans steal jap quality because we have dont have the quality. Who buys a car new that is in college? All the college kids i know and i are dirt poor.... if you buy a used honda for 13k and put 10k in upgrades i would easily get over 320 whp... if you put 10k into a freaking Geo prizm you could get 320 whp... you can buy integras with 320 whp for 12k... and tell you what... THEY WILL LAST LONGER!!! Our family has owned a number of poor excuses for cars (ford) and they never hold up while we have cars like the 94 camry with 250k miles on it and still runs honey smooth. Your an idiot of you think that because they own part of their stock the quality is the same... why do they buy their stock... to get their parts... thats a simple one.

an referring to the "guy down the road" and idiot can wreck a freaking car if he doesnt know what hes doing... hmm better quality... honda or ford? why dont we start a new thread for that one.

now your coparing new to used? i can get a 93 cobra run high 13's and only spend 8k and 5.0's sre proven to lat 20+yrs

ok the dude with a gsr sucks at driving then
what does he do?
forget to shift?
lame excuse

ok the dude with a gsr sucks at driving then
what does he do?
forget to shift?
lame excuse


hahaha NFS:U style... I love letting is rev in first watching them blow...

Seriously, I dont like Honda's, but they are a good car company. THeir motors go and go and go (unless you forgot your "automatic" is actually a manual and never shift out of first) :loser: Face it your "guy down the street" is a loser.

Why are we talking about Escorts in an MX3 forum? if I wanted to waste my time, then I'd go ahead and click on the Escort Forum myself. It's ok to have pride in your car but being ignorant is not cool.

come on now you gotta give the zx2 some respect ive seen a turbo zx2 step up and smoke a 02 harley f150 with exaust,cold air,76mm tb and a chip not bad for a 4 banger

jeez...it's like freakin world war 2 in here. Escorts aren't all that bad. They may look like crap, but if they deliver, what the heck, why not? I know my car is crap, but it's alot faster than any of the other ricer crap that comes with living in southern california. I live in F&F central, where everyone buys a 91 civic dx, paints it yellow, and expects it to run 13s. problem is, most of them don't know what they are running 13s on, they think it's a rim size. lol. All cars have potential, except those gay electric cars, I haaaaaaate them. but that's another topic.

They may look like crap,

and thats personal opinion :)

thank you for bringing up a dead post.... why dont you look at the last reply date before adding something stupid?

And now that i think about it for under 13k new id get a Tiburon Gt... and only spend like 11k.

yeah i guess we should beleive firefly the guy who beat a sti with his stock mx3
freakin moron
must have been in reverse
and those gay electric cars make more torque than your horsepower and torque combined!

ok, did anyone look at what I wrote after i said I beat him? It was my friend, we were just screwing around down a street going from stop sign to stop sign, and he screwed up! I thought it would be funny to add that one little thing in there, cause if you look at my killed by list, you'll see that he did smoke me, like he should have the first time....before you come to the table and throw accusations out, make sure you know the whole story.

and as far as bringing up the dead post, I haven't been on in a while, and I wanted to put my two cents in. Just cause I say something doesn't mean you have to respond, it's not that big a deal. You act like it's gonna make the entire site crash just because I wanted to say something

ok, did anyone look at what I wrote after i said I beat him? It was my friend, we were just screwing around down a street going from stop sign to stop sign, and he screwed up! I thought it would be funny to add that one little thing in there, cause if you look at my killed by list, you'll see that he did smoke me, like he should have the first time....before you come to the table and throw accusations out, make sure you know the whole story.

and as far as bringing up the dead post, I haven't been on in a while, and I wanted to put my two cents in. Just cause I say something doesn't mean you have to respond, it's not that big a deal. You act like it's gonna make the entire site crash just because I wanted to say something

well captain brilliant i did read that, and if he screwed up one time, you didnt beat him... hes not a "kill" as much as youd like to think so. If go kick butterbean in the nuts while hes sleeping, or hung over... it doesnt mean i won a "fight" against him. And how bout these cars... has the person ever drove before, or was it a younger sister of yours driving. 99 Celica GT huh? Bmw 325, Saturn Ion, 240sx? sure... you beat them all with your stock k8? Ill bet, k8's suck and are slow. Klze or Bpt might be believable with most those cars, but stock k8... nope.

And captain brilliant id like to add that it is common knowledge on any forum not to bring up dead threads just to get your two cents in. ITS LIKE TYPING IN ALL CAPS.... YOU JUST DONT DO IT.

amen!

oh my god you guys need to chill a little. The post wasnt THAT old, only a month and a half. And its not like anything else interesting happens in this forum. So who cares? You dont like bringing back dead posts? ALL THE POSTS ARE DEAD POSTS. So he decided to put his 2 cents in... he's allowed. Stop trying to be such e-thugs and get your head out of your asses.

Considering a Celica Gt does around 16 seconds in the quarter, and a BMW 325 does around 15.5-16 as well, I would not be too suprised to see someone who knows how to drive spank either of those cars. Im not saying it happened, but it is very possible.