Dodge Viper Competition Coupe Progress

Hey,

This is my latest project (along with my lieberman skyline)

It is an in progress of The Viper competition coupe.

Any major proportional issues that I need to fix?

I know the lines are sketchy and there is smudging but that will be cleaned up in the shading process.

Here it is:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/uploads/90572/viperprgress.jpg

Please tell me what I need to fix while it is still in the drafting period.

Thanks:)

Mirza

I see some slight perspective issues with the front. Check out that dam. Sometimes it helps to imagine the center line up through the front flowing onto the hood and running to the back of the car.

Excellent job on the scoop, those can be tricky, and I like the posture on the tire. I know the board is freehand crazy but an ellipse set will serve you well.

Nice start, keep going I'm curious.

-Lemorris

but an ellipse set will serve you well. -Lemorris

Ellipse set? You are kidding right? Those are for peops who can't draw....hee hee

Haa haaaa, Lemorris can't draaaawww.

hee hee

Well if you don't get the ellipse set.
Have I shared the two online tuts for drawing wheels w/o ellipses, w/ you Mirza?

I am getting old, so I forget.

alfred

like lemorris said , work on the front. Also work on the spoiler. Other then tha it looks good. Nice job on the body work

I drew that car once! Almost the exact same angle too! If I can dig it up I will post it.

Ellipse set? You are kidding right? Those are for peops who can't draw....hee hee


hehe...yeah buddy!:lol:

No, asaenz, i do not believe you have shared that tutorial with me.

Thanks for the tips guys.

Mirza

Phew! I thought you were talkin' about another competition then with the thread name! Lol there's so many going on ATM.

ok dude i was thinkin' the same thing lemorris was. so i decided to show you how much better it would look if you did it. ill post em both so you won't have to scroll up and down to look at 'em.

before
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1153/viperprgress.jpg



after
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4220/viperprgress2.jpg

i hope you can tell what a big difference it made to bring the bottom of the front bumper to the right a little.

Can you post the ref pic quarter_mile, then we can see how much the bumper has to be moved, as it looks too straight now.

quarter mile, fix the passenger side mirror. it is on a different plane, is lower, than the driver's side.

Here is the ref. picture.
I used a higher res version of this though.
http://www.fast-autos.net/dodge/compcoupe9.jpg
Most of the bottom of the front bumper is black and hidden so I didn't know If it should be straight or not.

Mirza

I think thats the ref pic I used...hm...

Oh yeah, and theyre right about the persepective thing. Nice work Tyler.

:thumbsup:

Here is the ref. picture.
I used a higher res version of this though.
http://www.fast-autos.net/dodge/compcoupe9.jpg
Most of the bottom of the front bumper is black and hidden so I didn't know If it should be straight or not.

Mirza

i see in the pic the mirror is "wrong" too. that is because of the angle and the lens they used: they used a wide-angle, short, prolly 30-40mm lens. there is distortion. if you're going for that lensing, then you better do it all the way throughout the entire picture.

i draw storyboards so i know all about lense mm. where you fall short of this in your rendering is that you have attempted to design the picture with a flat, medium, like 50-60mm lens. this flat field is typical of most car portrait artists unfamiliar with photographic processes on location. you are trying to mix ideas here --either reinterpret the photo with flat field, which you have done and you may not even have known you were doing it, or go all the way and mimic the wide-angle/heroic distorted view. you have not done the former. yet you are trying to "swear to god the mirror is lower on the passenger side." and it IS. but your entire drawing is reinterpreted for flat-field. i'm not just blowing smoke up your a$$. this is the truth.

if you scrutinize the photo, you will see how the proportions and rear of the car distort and seem like forced perspective. maybe you cannot yet discern lensing f/x. it will become second-nature the more you see it. the car is shot wide angle, probably from about ten feet away.

a flat-field effect is to shoot it medium or even telephoto, long lens, from several yards away. i can tell this picture is wide as well because the horizon, infinity, is crystal clear in focus. were it flat, the depth of field would drop off like a cliff shortly after the car's body, and the b/g would be soft-focus.

cheers, mate.

thats lookin pretty cool

Hi Mirza

Well here are the links for ellipses.

http://www.sibleyfineart.com/index.htm?tutorial--draw-ellipses.htm

http://www.drawthrough.com/tutorials/index.html

Sorry that the image is dark and b/w. I don't know why it did that.
I think the image serves its purpose.

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/35634viper_angles.jpg

You need help friend, on learning how to compare lines and angles.
For instance: Notice the degree of the most bottom line of that front spoiler. Now notice the angle/degree of the most bottom line of the side spoiler (b/t the two tires). If you took a ruler and drew straight lines and alow them to intersect you would see the angle degrees are different.

The ref. image has a smaller A angle while yours is larger.
The ref. image has a larger B angel while yours is smaller.

Compare the As and Bs between your drawing and the ref. If you have protractor you will see them better. I know w/ cars and esp. drawing faces the slightest thing off throws everything off.

This may have been what Bonz was talking about, not sure though.
He has too much knowledge for me. :)

Mirza I know it is hard to try to explain things online, but I would recommend getting your hands on some books that explain drawing, I don't meen books on drawing cars either. :)

Let me know if you want me to recommend any. Bonz you know any?

Oh, where did you find that image? Thx

Check my "Object of reference: Drawing w/o grids" thread

Al

Hi Mirza
......If you took a ruler and drew straight lines and alow them to intersect you would see the angle degrees are different.
...............The ref. image has a smaller A angle while yours is larger.
The ref. image has a larger B angel while yours is smaller.
.......Compare the As and Bs between your drawing and the ref. If you have protractor you will see them better. I know w/ cars and esp. drawing faces the slightest thing off throws everything off...........
......This may have been what Bonz was talking about, not sure though.
He has too much knowledge for me. :)
...................
Let me know if you want me to recommend any. Bonz you know any?
......
Al

yes, al, this is what i'm touching on. i think my knowledge is not more than yours, just different. (hehe).

here is a book that will get anyone into the planet that i visit constantly:
"Engineering Graphics" (Giesecke, Mitchell, Spencer, Hill, Loving). i have the 2nd printing of it from 1975. if it still exists, will be in it's tenth printing probably by now. so much is done on CAD nowadays in the engineering field, which often turns people into educated idiots, that there may not be chapters anymore on construction lines for perspective. but i don't see how you can teach this field without having a solid base the old-fashioned way. so try to find the older printings of it. it has loads of info on perspective and geometry. it is as hardcore as you can get.

heres anothr pic of the car in lighter conditions

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/10/vipercomp03_02_800.jpg

hope this helps love this car

Thanks suprastar, it helps, I can see details better now:)


Thanks for taking the time to write up such long posts to help me bonz and asaenz. I appreciate it.


Had way too much homework this week, I'll make some progress on the weekend.

Mirza

quarter mile, my pleasure. you draw very very well. with a bit more skills from the street, you'll really kick some major a$$.

I'm going to use the grid method as opposed to freehand.


I'm still a n00b to this realistic drawing thing.

:)


Mirza

Hey, what do you think?

My 2nd time with Grid Method:)

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2116/viperprogress.jpg

Tell me what you think.

The size in real life is quite small.

Mirza

More progress.

Sorry for scanner quality:frown:

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5779/viperprogress2.jpg

Mirza

Looks good so far! Make sure you spend time on the wheels to make them look good.

I will.;)

More pics of this car can be found here:

http://www.fast-autos.net/dodge/dodgecompcoupe.html

:)

Mirza

LOOKING AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!!
continue that way!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More Progress-
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2623/dodgevipershaded.jpg

Just need to do the wheels. Wish me luck!

Mirza

good luck!

and its very nice drawing!

WOW! Looking Great! You have come along way since the days you were doing Cartoons :). Good Luck with the wheels!

Looks awsome. You have come a long long way from the ancient times of AF when dinosaurs roamed and you did odd cartoony things:)