my terrible shut my mouth up defeat.

a few threads back i claimed that me and my friend with the EVO 8 should be identical from a roll. we'll we decided to test my hypothesis to see if that is at all true. shortly after i posted that thread up, i had to put a 3 inch high flow cat on to prepare for emissions testing. (those bastards seriously fucked me over by suspending all emissions for the next 3 months. now i'm stuck with this cat on until 3 months later )

anyways when it was time to race i even loaded my trunk which as around 100 lbs off my rear end. we did it from a 20mph roll on the third honk. he jumped like crazy on me on 1st gear then alittle weaker on 2nd and finally on 3rd and 4th he was inching away from me. the total lose was 3 cars back total.

anyways i was himulated. and i had to shut up. but i couldn't and i wouldn't!!!i'm soo mad at this race. i still swear that it was the cat that slowed me down. because i mean how can i lose by the exact same amount when i have more mods ( removed factory fan clutch ) and with less weight? argh and i can't even take the CAT for another 3 months. anyways this pist me off soo much i almost kicked my car. well for the rest of this summer i'm not goin to race anymore. i'm bitter. my car had seriously let me down. i dont' want to get dissapointed with its performance until i got the engine rebuilt.

It was a 30 grand evoso you should'nt be too beat up ::cough:: sr20det ::cough:: :p

no thanks. if i had a SR in my car, i would be making less power in a heavier car. plus i probrably wouldn't be able to pass inspections. if i had a hatch back, then yeah the SR would be a nice choice. but like even how mynismo said it. generally on a stock turboed SR with a full interior they are usually low 14 second cars. the reason why mynismo's was soo quick it was because his car is stripped down to the core ( making it around 300-400 lbs lighter then my car ) and he has his ecu tuned.

yea dont feel too bad man you gave it a run atleast and your car is still cool. I dont mean to be a kill joy but your cat wouldn't have altered the outcome I dont think. sorry to hear about your loss but hey doesn't it make you wanta do somthing to go faster?

why do you HAVE to keep the cat in, though?
if you're not getting it checked for 3 months, then just yank that puppy

quit crying like a little girl j/k :lol: race him in three months without the cat and see were you are then

haha damm tat well you win and loss some lolz know you know how i felt when i lost to you hehehe well maybe now i should race you within these 3months i just migh have a better chance lolz well you win some and loss some.. you get em next time..
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Alls I have to say is b18sr20 :lol2:

Other than that, it's ok man, next time try the opposite, when you pull up to a car, think about losing, so when you win, it feels gerat!

a convertor doesnt make a 3 car length difference.
it sounds like your car is just slower.

a convertor makes a hell of a lot of difference on a turbo car.. you can easily see 15+hp w/o a convertor on a turbo its all about the less back pressure.. from experience tat2 cars is quick as hell i sat in in when he was boosting and i ran against him, i know my car isnt even close to quick but that 240 is very quick...
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he has a high flow convertor.
not a regular 1/2 inch stock japanese convertor

no thanks. if i had a SR in my car, i would be making less power in a heavier car. plus i probrably wouldn't be able to pass inspections. if i had a hatch back, then yeah the SR would be a nice choice. but like even how mynismo said it. generally on a stock turboed SR with a full interior they are usually low 14 second cars. the reason why mynismo's was soo quick it was because his car is stripped down to the core ( making it around 300-400 lbs lighter then my car ) and he has his ecu tuned.


why would you make less power. you might make less bottom end, but i think the sr20 has alot more potential than a truck motor

considering that they've not raced before, you can't tell if the convertor did/didn't make a difference...

so you'll have to race without it, if you haven't already, then you'll have your answeres.

why would you make less power. you might make less bottom end, but i think the sr20 has alot more potential than a truck motor
the reason why the sr makes less power is because the stock turbo is the limiting factor because the turbo is just too small. you'll be lucky to get 230 whp out of the thing. i gurantee you. that you can not find a faster s14 with a s13 sr20 in there running stock turbo then me. but im sick and tired of arguing with people who dont know shit about the ka motor by calling it a truck motor. the truck motor has more potential then the sr.. just look it up on the internet. regular ka guys make over 400whp. and some even got into 600.. plus its cheaper to make more power out of ka then sr anyday.

Evo's aren't the hogs that people make them out to be. I'm not surprised that you lost. Is your buddy modded? If he isn't you'd be freaking amazed how much a dynoflashed EVO would pull on your car. I just got my car back from being dynoflashed and I have a few mods (HKS catback exhaust and a K&N filter). This car pulls like nuts now. I'm positive I shaved off atleast 2 tenths of a second off of my 1/4 mile. How much power is your car kicking out to the wheels???

the answer to the question about hp is in his sig.. hehe sorrie for answering your question tat.. lolz

and also my 2cents about the ka24de motor is that it does take well to mods and has a better power delivery for 1/4 racing then the sr20det.. the sr20det has a high end power band and the ka makes the power down low also we cannot forget about the .4liters of displacement more hehe stll dont feel too bad you cannot win them all rember how much years of development and techonology went into making the evo.. its not exactly your run of the mill turbo car...

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Here is a good talk about sr20 vs. ka24. (http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Board=UBB12&Number=67704070)

I didn't want to reply by knockin the ka24 so I checked some sites to see what I could find. To sum it up it seems that the sr20det is a stronger motor (stock) to make power from due in part to the stronger internals, but that if both were built the displacement would eventually win. It's all in taste i think when it comes down to it. I know for a fact however that there is more then one 600+hp sr as well. :smile: sr20nazi

for those who dismiss the KA as a truck engine look at this thread

http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=65738

this guy got 407 whp on a bone stock internal running stock head gasket, stock intake manifold. all he did was run a well sized turbo, some 50lb injectors, and a stand alone fuel management running only 17 psi

the SR's will hold that power stock, but it takes alot of mods to get it to that level. you need to change the manifold, upgrade the turbo, tune the fuel. the record for the most wheel hp on a stock SR is around 560ish whp and that is enjukuracing's SR. but that car has cams, ported head, raised redline, stiffer valve springs, different intake manifold, larger turbo, fuel upgrade, lightweight flywheel, pulleys, everything that can be done to the car besides internals are done.

meanwhile that KA had a stock head, stock cams, stock redline, stock intake manifold. everything is stock besides injectors, turbo, and fuel management. the power delievery was that it makes over 300whp as low as 3500 rpm. i'm sorry but a SR can not touch that kind of gains. the SR will be stronger stock internally, but its easier to squeeze out more HP then a SR. and you know it too. plus the cost to rebuild the KA to out handle hp then a SR will cost less then the price of the SR being installed.

my car should be putting out close to 250whp. my friend's EVO has a intake on it. but we all think the car got slower with it on. i was talkin to my boss about the race and hes like, you can't compare the 2 cars on the street. the power delivery is crazy on that car, and the gearing is made to match it just perfect on the street. while my car has too much lag and i couldn't even hit full boost in 1st gear ( i only start to make 259whp near the redline of second gear ). that really hurt my street performance compared to a car that has everything matched. however on the highway from 70mph the results could be pretty different. but its almost never that i get to race my friends from a highway highspeed roll. so i guess i'll have to deal with crappy stop light performance ( but still fast enough to take out a lightly modded WRX from a low speed roll ) and i have to catch them on the highway at 70mph where my car's max speed is at.

601 hp with stock internals (scroll down to dyno sheet) (http://www.nissanforums.com/showthread.php?t=45736&page=3&pp=15&highlight=record)
It took me while but this is the record for the sr20. Sorry I just had to find the 600hp link.

Hey Tat, it's all good man.. Stop being sad and turn it into more drive to rebuild the motor for more boost and put a whuppin' on the Evo!

my car should be putting out close to 250whp. my friend's EVO has a intake on it. but we all think the car got slower with it on. i was talkin to my boss about the race and hes like, you can't compare the 2 cars on the street.
Just to help your buddy out, heck yeah he lost power. If you add an aftermarket intake on an Evo the computer is known for reducing the amount of boost (from 19 psi to 17 psi). This can be fixed with a dynoflash or I believe they are called a piggyback system. He's probably making 216 awhp right now. I got the reflash for $200 from Al, and it was worth every penny IMO. Tell him to seriously consider it. Heck if he lives in an area where with 93 octane his car can produce up to 260awhp with that CAI and the dynoflash.

yup we have 93 and even 94 at some sunoco's hehe gotta love the n.y. gass..
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the car feels the same as it did after we reseted the ECU the car initialy still felt sluggish. but after driving it for like 300 miles the car got back to up to speed. he still hits 19psi in first gear. so he ddin't lose too much power. and yes we heard of BIG AL. in fact he is only 30 minutes away from us. hes goin to get the ECU reflashed after he gets all the bolt ons because we can get it dyno tuned to perfection at his shop.

fucking 600 and 400 hp on stock internals isn't something the average person is going to afford. If anyone else talks shit about KA's shut up. They both SR's and KA's have their strength though it's mostly only america that modifies the KA. Tat's car is a damn good car and a 240SX with an SR with the same amount of horsepower would be equal to Tat's. He's not going to make any more power by suddenly switching to a stock S13 motor so any stupid comment about "*cough* SR" should stop because they are uncalled for.

O one more thing a stock japanese SR won't make as much power in the US as it would in Japan

I remeber readin in article in some tuner magazine where they added an intake on an sti and lost like 5whp. Even the exhaust didn't bring very good gains. They have these new evo's and sti's so dialed in that without computer flashing mods hardly hold their own. Since you have an after-market high flow cat already would you really see 15whp gains?

As for the sr20 "cough" statement it's all in good fun just look at the innocent smiley at the end. I'm more then aware that 250whp is haul balls power especially with so much torque. No disrespect.

well the EVO's engine is pretty much state of the art compared to my 13 year old design. its power band is unreal, and its geared perfectly for that turbo. my car on the other hand has lag, and its not geared for it. so from a low speed, the large turbo really hurt me. also about the STi losing power, the car loses power initially but after a few more pulls, the ECU learns to recalibrate itself to a certain degree and you end up seeing around 25whp from the exhuast after like 6 pulls. the same can be said for the EVO. both of those cars have extremely sensitive ECU's. they freak out if they see more air flow and doesn't know what to do with it. so usually they reset the ECU, and let the computer see more air flow from the start instead of all of the sudden see more air.

not to jump in on the engine debate, just wanted to give you props for havin the balls to run an EVO.

and a quick question from a nissan moron...do you have under drive pulleys? a friend of mine told me they work wonders on a turbo KA for low end speed.