Drifting VS Grip driving??

which is better? Drift or grip!
I tried to master drifting for the last two years and I'm some how good in drifting but when I measured my speed thru corners I found that my grip driving still way faster than drifting??
I think that it's no use for drifting while u race with someone . i think that drifting only useful in rally cuz in rally u lose too much grip so u can recover it by drifting .
:disappoin drifting on the streets is only for show not for race thats what i found by my self.

Which is better for what? Fun? Outright speed?

It also depends on whether you mean a showy drift or race drift.

The fastest method of 'grip' or racing style driving actually involves a slight amount of drift/wheel slippage. When this happens, it's a way of knowing that you can't go any faster with your current technique, and to try another method for more speed.

As for showy drifting, it's fairly obvious that it is slower than 'grip,' because it's called 'showy.' It can yield a faster corner entry speed, however, because you don't have to slow down so much. Since you're effectively scrubbing off speed during the drift, you can go into the turn a little faster. Unfortunately, exit speeds will be lower, since you can't power your way out effectively in mid-drift.

In rallying, drivers drift because of the absence of traction. I'd also imagine that it can actually be faster in some of the tight turns they have. An example would be the hairpins at Monte Carlo. Even though it is usually a relatively clear tarmac surface, drivers will yank on the handbrake to initiate a drift, and power their way through the hairpin.

Drifting is for the drifting enthusiast. Can only be fast in sharp turns during rally or even a certain few(i said few) corners on normal tracks.

GRip is obviously faster then drifting and this subject has been discussed before.Go do a search abou this subject and you will find a few threads about this subject where people became all heated and couldn't stop arguing about it.Do a lil research before you post something like this.So that you can realize how much controversy you are going to start.

seriously...
why ask a "i'm opening a can of worms" question?
there's no answer that will satisfy everyone...

joe hit the nail on the head

lol fly....you said "worms" lol.............

you can be faster using drift, but you have to be good.

you can be faster using drift, but you have to be good.

Only in video games. Get yourself some track time and you'll find out for yourself.

Unless your name is Henri Toivonen or Danny Lasoski, drifting will not be of use to you as far as speed on track is concerned.

However it's a ton of fun to go out sometimes and slide your car around with reckless abandon. It's like a NASCAR fan who attended the Formula Drift event at Atlanta (you'd be surprised how many NASCAR fans like other series) said "It's like the whole race is a victory burnout."

Only in video games. Get yourself some track time and you'll find out for yourself.

Like Vquick said....

The fat kid and you are both right...some times the drift does shave off some sec. and the grip always certainly does.

as for starting uproar about this drift and grip..its the kind of thing we needs in these forum sometimes anyways..makes life more intresting don't you think?

leave it up to newbs to want controversy.......... :loser:

I'm sorry you feel that way..but I figured you'd be more mature about my thoughts..guess not.

the real losers are the ones that take things to seriously..after all isn't this forum a place so that people can actually help one another out by posting ideas.. So thanks Joe thanks for your thought...I hope your not a loser...are you?

I'm sorry you feel that way..but I figured you'd be more mature about my thoughts..guess not.

the real losers are the ones that take things to seriously..after all isn't this forum a place so that people can actually help one another out by posting ideas.. So thanks Joe thanks for your thought...I hope your not a loser...are you?

Damn newbs.... respect your elders!

This has been covered before, loser....

I'm sorry you feel that way..but I figured you'd be more mature about my thoughts..guess not.

the real losers are the ones that take things to seriously..after all isn't this forum a place so that people can actually help one another out by posting ideas.. So thanks Joe thanks for your thought...I hope your not a loser...are you?
Oh great...........another know it all..........whats with all these newbs comming and trying to act like they know everything and that they are the mature ones...hmmm.......you say this forum is a place to help one another help by sharing ideas..............ehhhhhhhhhhh!Wrong!

This forum is here for drifitng related events wheter they are pro or even amature along with stories and or drift videos.This is not a share your idea forum.......thats in another area of this site.And you say that like an idea was being stated? What idea?Are you even reading the same post i am.

Did you notice this guy is talking about how his Grip driving is better then his "2 years" of experiance trying to master drifting.Who in the hell talked like that other then people that have just seen initial D for the first time.........oh....an look at his name.....hmmmm......maybe i'm on to something.

Also, Initial D stated how he tried to "master" drifting in the last 2 years......HA! Good luck buddy.Even the Drift King has stated that he till has much to learn about drifting.It's not something you can master................unless you're a cartoon character huh....lol!

Tell you what...I'm sorry if I offended you so much...it was only a thought..stop makeing things so damn boring...First you complain about how things are getting to big and now you just don't shut up about it..and thanks for your two cents 1viadrft, your post was worth about that much to me. But here is your 2 cents worth of attention enjoy!! You ever look in the mirror and wonder?

By the way 1viadrft, my friend is also drifting a 300zx with an Hks setup (turbo) It a hog but he does pretty well. (Monterey Bay,Ca)

well you're welcome for my 2 cents......good to know that i've touched a few people in this forum....*wipes tear from eye*



Faulkin :newbie: .......LOL

Guys, as fun as it is to watch you bicker amongst yourselves, back on topic before thread goes locky locky. :nono:

Anyways, I'd like this question answered by the folks who're asking if drifting is faster than grip driving this single question; does it have to be?

Seriously, drifting competitions are judged like figure skating. There's no emphasis on speed, and 100% emphasis on technique. It's not a race, it's an event. There are some forms of motorsport where holding radical slip angles through the corners is important, but these take place primarily on dirt and are far removed from the sport of drifting; Championship Off Road Racing (CORR), rallying (WRC, SCCA Pro Rally, various FIA regional organizations), and any number of dirt oval series (World of Outlaws, Sprint All-Stars, USAC, Xtreme Dirt Car, American Late Model Series, DIRT modifieds, and so on).

So tell me, if a drift competition isn't judged on speed, and drifting itself is so far removed from other forms of pavement motorsport, why is speed so important in drifting?

im no newb by the way i used to be gigglesnirt-

you guys have never seen drifting used as an advantage? havn't you watched the JGTC? they use drifting sometimes, noton all corners of course thats just showing off, but drifting can help with lap times.

im no newb by the way i used to be gigglesnirt-

you guys have never seen drifting used as an advantage? havn't you watched the JGTC? they use drifting sometimes, noton all corners of course thats just showing off, but drifting can help with lap times.
I did not watch JGTC but I think that Racers In JGTC need thire tires grip cuz it's not 2,3,4, or 5 laps it's way more , :disappoin so I don't think they ganna waste thire tires in drifting while they need it.

I've seen Robby Gordon drift his Cingular #31 NASCAR stock car at Sears Point to celebrate a great victory, but I've never seen D1 style drifting employed in modern pavement racing as an effective technique.

Now, rewind to the 60's and before and you'll see greats like Paddy Hopkirk and Paul Frere using braking and feint drifts in great road racing events like the Targa Florio and the Mille Miglia.

But even still, the sports cars of the 50's and 60's are light years away from those of the modern era. In fact, most every change to suspension and aerodynamics made since the Chapparals introduced radical downforce to sports cars has been made to maximize grip and reduce the need to drift the car.

from what I've seen in real life, and also my cornering speeds... etc.. half of the game is the car itself, second is the experence of the driver. the GTR Skylines are not good for drifin, mainly because their heavy frontends and to get that mass moving in a sideways driection would take a massive load shift. cars such as the 180sx/240sx liftback are more drift oriented, now when you drift for speed, you start before the corner, not in it, a quick tap on the brake with a quick turn into the corner, stomp the gas countersteer and line up to exit pointing as strait as possible... the last part is the trickest... but in all honesty the only car I think which can drift and be competitive to a car driving grip is a 4WD drifting, and a FR is grip, the only place I can see where drifting FR being better in a situation is multiple S turns, or hairpins... S turns with drift allow you to keep up your car's inertia...

I've seen Robby Gordon drift his Cingular #31 NASCAR stock car at Sears Point to celebrate a great victory, but I've never seen D1 style drifting employed in modern pavement racing as an effective technique.

Now, rewind to the 60's and before and you'll see greats like Paddy Hopkirk and Paul Frere using braking and feint drifts in great road racing events like the Targa Florio and the Mille Miglia.

But even still, the sports cars of the 50's and 60's are light years away from those of the modern era. In fact, most every change to suspension and aerodynamics made since the Chapparals introduced radical downforce to sports cars has been made to maximize grip and reduce the need to drift the car.

Here and in the earlier posts, Layla's Keeper has done a very good job of summarrizing all the previous threads I have seen oon this topic.

Drifting on pavement with an extreme difference between the centerline of the car and the direction of travel is not faster except in corners that are very tight and cornering speed is < 25 MPH.

The single biggest difference between the cars, even as late as the early 80's that oversteer with large enough angles can be seen and now is tires. Bias ply tires are better at much higher slip angles than radial tires, and tire construction technology has come a long way in the last 10 years, never mind the last 40. As far as overall speed goes, an F1 team from the 60's would have killed to get their hands on the snow tires I use on the STi because of the huge improvement in the amount of grip available in those compared to the ultra-modern F1 tire of the 60's.

as i understand tight hairpins, downhills and sharp 90 degree corners drift has the egde. a stronge mix of both is key to great racer. for short races at least.

the drift events are to please the crowd. they pay to see the best, most extreme drifts possible. it is all a matter of control.

as i understand tight hairpins, downhills and sharp 90 degree corners drift has the egde. a stronge mix of both is key to great racer. for short races at least.

the drift events are to please the crowd. they pay to see the best, most extreme drifts possible. it is all a matter of control.

Only very tight hairpins, < 25 MPH, in a car that does not have a very tight turning radius, followed by a very short straight ending in another slow corner (< 100 ft) is where drifting is faster on a paved circuit. There are no corners slow enough on any paved closed circuit racetrack anywhere in the world that I am aware of (including the Grand Hotel hairpin at Monaco, Adelaide at Magny-Cours, and the hairpin at Long Beach) where drifting is faster. On a closed course, sharp 90 degree corners usually are about 40 MPH, well above the speed where drifting is faster.

I thougt the drift thread, even though it is in the racing forum, we discussed show drifts (such as D1 and FormulaD). Or is it just me?

For the record I have no problem with show drifts, and do enjoy watching the car control and skill required. As long as they are recognized as a show competition, totally seperate from a speed competition, I have no problem with it.