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i have 2001 Z24 with aem intake with full exhaust:pacesetter header, magnaflow high flow cat, with dueled off borla cat back system

raced a sweet 98 monte carlo ss.. got my ass smoked in the quarter mile but i was only .75 seconds behind.

i put down a 90ish civic si with headers, pistons,full exhaust, cams, the whole works.. after the quarter i was about 2 car lengths ahead

first kill ever was a mitsu eclipse gs. it was close about a half a car length in the quarter mile.

as to yet i'm kickin ass. all the home boys rally on fridays on the very long, very straight back roads we have in u-daho

sweet

i got 2001 Z24 as well, what 1/4 times are you putting up with those mods? so far all i have is WAI but a 62mm TB is next.

i have 2001 Z24 with aem intake with full exhaust:pacesetter header, magnaflow high flow cat, with dueled off borla cat back system


i put down a 90ish civic si with headers, pistons,full exhaust, cams, the whole works.. after the quarter i was about 2 car lengths ahead
:bs: SI run mid 15's stock and with those mod's it would be in the high to mid 14's easy.

maybe the civic driver was talkin BS...a little bit of badge work, and some creative talking while its too dark to see everything properly and a D16 civic ex with no heat shield on his exhaust manifold and a grapefruit launching muffler just became an SI with the works :D

a 2001 Z24 can run mid to high 15's stock too

yea, but with just exhaust, do you really think it would match an si with the same mods as the cavalier, plus a few engine upgrades...by two car lengths?

i smell Bs on either johnnys part, or the civic drivers part

well u dont know the condition of the 14 year old Si or the skill of the driver, dont be a dick and call BS, he said it ill believe it. Cars dont win races alone

Only reason you believe it is because you own a cavalier. And no the Z24 does not run mid 15's stock. 15.7 is the best I've ever seen from them. Ford Escort ZX2's with less hp and a smaller motor run better then that..

just cause you have never seen a mid 15 second stock Z24 doesn't mean they aren't out there...check j-body.org, quite a few of em on there.

im just goin on experience here, but ive never lost to a cavlier, z24 or otherwise. not even close. most of the ones around here are just what our friend has, all exhaust, nothing else.

but i have been absolutly embarassed by a 91 civic SI with intake exhaust, a tuned AFM, cam gears and a serious lack of interior (i still maintain he was runnin a sneaky pete, but the fact remains i lost).

now, im not saying our boy here is full of it. its just as likely, as i said above, that it was a rebadged grocery getter with a muffler.

:iagree: It could have been a shitbox Honda rebadged. Because if it WAS a real SI.. Even with a bad driver with those mod's. It still would have taken a Z24 easy.

Just for the record i have slips that show when i had a 1997 z24 cav.. 5 speed i ran a 15.6 at 91 mph, and it was completely stock.......

:bs: SI run mid 15's stock and with those mod's it would be in the high to mid 14's easy.


You seem to be misinformed. I think by 90s SI he meant the earlier 92-95 body style SI. The SI of this year ran nothing close to a mid 15, more like a mid to high 16 (since a CRX with the same motor runs a mid 16) There are numerous people that have run low 15s in there cavis (although this isn’t the norm)

a ZX2 faster than the Z24? ok. . . the stock HP on a Z24 is 150 HP. A stock Si is what 160HP? and the ZX2 is crap, 130 HP and only 127 lbs torque! the Z24 has 155 lbs torque. How the hell do you figure it beats the Z24? ZX2 is more like a 17 second car, the Z24 with a few minor mods and some stock run 15's. YOu need to get your numbers straight buddy before you come in here and start trash talkin my car.

Wanna bet.. ZX2 is even with a Z24.. YOU need to get your numbers right..

yes ill bet cause ive beat a few ZX2's with my Z24, and ive never lost to one. And yeah it makes a ton of sense that a car with 20 less HP and 28 less lbs of torque would win. I did a search on yahoo for a review of the Zx2 and heres the first link that popped up. http://www.theautochannel.com/content/vehicles/new/reviews/1999/solo9840.html

ZX2 a 0-60 MPH in an amazing 9 seconds!
the 1/4 17 secs at 83.5 MPH-holy shit!

i took a pontiac Grand Prix GT in my 2001 Z24, ZX2's arent much of a challenge.

no I meant you wanna bet a Zx2 run's a 17 like you said it does?

zx2's are slow. i spanked one the one night in my GA. and my car probably runs a low 16 1/4 mile

ZX2 run mid 15's factory.. You probably raced and automatic, In which case, Yes they are slow.

THEY DO NOT RUN MID 15's FROM FACTORY! the car only has 130 HP which is like 120 WHP and only 127lbs of torque, its not going to happen.

dude, are you serious?? Can't admit Ford can run mid 15's with 130 hp?? 1998 Ford Escort ZX2 0-60:7.4 ,1/4 mile: 15.70

Here is the link if you don't believe me...
http://www.ssmoparmuscle.com/speedcomp.htm

i can admit that a ford car can run 15's stock, just not a ZX2. ANd that doesnt mean shit. The guy who posted that doesnt know where it came from, he said he found it on a website, no one knows who made it. Its in no way accurate.

Fine, go use the search and find it out yourself.. And I recall you saying your Z24 is a automatic right? I garentee it won't run in the 15's..

http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx

your wrong, end of story.

Search a little more.. Different site's have different stat's. Go check out the ZX2 forum on here and ask people what they run.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=18&article_id=3952&page_number=1

car and drive says 0-60 is 8 seconds, this would back up the stats i posted above.

hey sk8ter lamer, you dont own either of the cars your talking about. And if you knew what you were talking about you woulld know that the difference in 1/4 mile time from an auto to a manual is .2 tenths of a second with the 4spd auto to the 5spd manuals in the cavaliers.

http://www.carsurvey.org/review_25782.html

http://www.theautochannel.com/content/vehicles/new/reviews/1998/russ102497.html

hey sk8ter lamer, you dont own either of the cars your talking about. And if you knew what you were talking about you woulld know that the difference in 1/4 mile time from an auto to a manual is .2 tenths of a second with the 4spd auto to the 5spd manuals in the cavaliers.Yes you are correct but I use to own a car that would embarass any Z24.. 99 Contour SVT and I ran 15.2 in it.

http://p207.ezboard.com/fzx2racingfrm30.showMessage?topicID=57.topic

Check out what everyone is running, Not the moded guy's, the STOCK one's.

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

http://www.hostultra.com/~ford/performance1.htm

http://www.epinions.com/content_30328131204

http://www.xtreme-tuning.com/htm/400mts/ford.htm

http://www.pr.streetracing.org/whats_new.html#Ford

I can go on all day...

Ok, so a read up on some zx2 forums. and i found out that the 98 is a "factory freak" all the other zx2s between 99-02 ran a slower 1/4 mile time.

But like stated above, its hard to have a car that runs a 17 second 1/4 mile with an auto, and then have the same car with a 5speed that shaves more then a second of its times.

And all those times you posted are just repost of road and track times.

So ill give it to you that a 98 zx2 can run a high 15. But i wouldnt say that is not the norm for the rest of the 99-02 zx2s.

But ever car has a factory freak. Ive seen cavis run mid to low 15s, grand ams run high 15s.

2003 Ford Focus SVT 7.7 15.9


now how can a 130hp car run faster then a 170hp car?

Ok, so a read up on some zx2 forums. and i found out that the 98 is a "factory freak" all the other zx2s between 99-02 ran a slower 1/4 mile time.

But like stated above, its hard to have a car that runs a 17 second 1/4 mile with an auto, and then have the same car with a 5speed that shaves more then a second of its times.

And all those times you posted are just repost of road and track times.

So ill give it to you that a 98 zx2 can run a high 15. But i wouldnt say that is not the norm for the rest of the 99-02 zx2s.

But ever car has a factory freak. Ive seen cavis run mid to low 15s, grand ams run high 15s.Yeah , the 99-02 are slower then the 98 but the 03 runs right around where the 98 was, I wasn't trying to fight with you guy's and start a big "Cavy's suck, Ford's rule" thing, Because I infact drive a base model 94 Cavy as a winter beater.. :biggrin:

2003 Ford Focus SVT 7.7 15.9


now how can a 130hp car run faster then a 170hp car?Focu's are heavier, I've actually seen low 15's from them but I'm not going to argue.

Focu's are heavier, I've actually seen low 15's from them but I'm not going to argue.


well thats the whole point, cars dont always run what the mags report. They probably run a few times in a limited window at a strip and get the best they can get then post it. but theres always someone that can most likly pull off a faster time.

well i after some looking i will agree that the 98s are freaks. But ive raced a few Zx2's in my cavy and i havent lost to one yet. Sometimes i think my cavy might be a freak cause it just feels way to fast, i raced a grand prix GT and won, thats my best kill so far. ANd compared to my old 2.2L 120HP cavy this thing hulls ass. Also i drove a 2.2 ecotec a little while ago with the 140 HP and it seemed really slow compared to my car. But all the ecotec fan boys think theirs is faster. I was gonna take my car to the track on friday but my GF interviened. . .damn horny girl. So im gonna try next friday. Ill make sure to post my results. And as for it being an auto, like i said before with the Z24 cavaliers the autos have a very broad power band as well as pleanty of low end torque, and when compared to the stick, its only about 2 tenths of a second slower in the 1/4 mile.
Oh yeah also while searching i finally found out with the SR package was, now that car for sure can run 15's stock but thats with a turbo. U sure those werent the cars you saw running at the track or raced?

by the way.......
this is not a competition of cars here. you cant see, hear, feel, or drive your cars on the internet. any arguement is futile and immature unless you have something physical to back it up with. personnaly, i ve seen fast cars and ive seen slow cars. the car type has little to do with power and acceleration, but the quality of the work and the creativity of the mechanic is what matters.

lets not forget correction factors here people. mag's have a tendancy to "correct" (using a sophisticated formula) the quater mile times the get to what they would get under the "idea;" atmospheric conditions. this is why you see cars in mags claiming numbers far better than you ever see them run at the track, unless of course, the atmosphere is close to that perfect "ideal".

and josh...what does road and track post for the z24's? just curious.

Fine, go use the search and find it out yourself.. And I recall you saying your Z24 is a automatic right? I garentee it won't run in the 15's..

My 140hp LS Sport automatic ran high 15's with less than 100 bucks in mods... :smokin:

lets not forget correction factors here people. mag's have a tendancy to "correct" (using a sophisticated formula) the quater mile times the get to what they would get under the "idea;" atmospheric conditions. this is why you see cars in mags claiming numbers far better than you ever see them run at the track, unless of course, the atmosphere is close to that perfect "ideal".

and josh...what does road and track post for the z24's? just curious.15.7

well i after some looking i will agree that the 98s are freaks. But ive raced a few Zx2's in my cavy and i havent lost to one yet. Sometimes i think my cavy might be a freak cause it just feels way to fast, i raced a grand prix GT and won, thats my best kill so far. ANd compared to my old 2.2L 120HP cavy this thing hulls ass. Also i drove a 2.2 ecotec a little while ago with the 140 HP and it seemed really slow compared to my car. But all the ecotec fan boys think theirs is faster. I was gonna take my car to the track on friday but my GF interviened. . .damn horny girl. So im gonna try next friday. Ill make sure to post my results. And as for it being an auto, like i said before with the Z24 cavaliers the autos have a very broad power band as well as pleanty of low end torque, and when compared to the stick, its only about 2 tenths of a second slower in the 1/4 mile.
Oh yeah also while searching i finally found out with the SR package was, now that car for sure can run 15's stock but thats with a turbo. U sure those werent the cars you saw running at the track or raced?S/R don't have turbo's.

Iceman intake
Leather shift boot
B&M Short throw shifter
Centerforce Performance Clutch
Visteon PCM
Tokico Struts
Energy Suspension Bushings
Eibach Lowering Spring
Borla exhaust
S/R wheels: 205/55ZR15 Goodyear Eagle
Rear disc brakes
Silver gauge surround
150 MPH speedometer
Ford Blue valve cover
S/R "Daisy" rims
S/R Badges

ok welli took my auto to the track and my best run was a 16.1@83 MPH. I think i could have hit high 15's easily if my launches were better but this was my first time ever at a track. Only thing i have on mine is a K&N cone filter, so if manuals are faster than autos like everyone says, a stock Z24 can hit high 15s no problem.

i doubt any zx2 could beat a cavalier z24. I have driven one, my friend has one and they have no kick or anything to 'em. u can do a lot of mods to 'em, and that will bring them up, but stock is shit for ford. My cavalier has minor mods on it and I can kick any of that ford shit out the door, even the v6 mustang has no balls (auto). never raced a stick one.