rx8 vs. a civic what'll win????????

Well i got a friend who has just bought a mazda rx8 and he wants to race someone. Well my bro wants to race him, and he has a 93 civic si hatch with a GSr swap, headers, intake, cams, camshafts, etc.. Well the Rx8 is stock so who will win???

mazda Quarter Mile: 14.5 sec @ 96 mph
the civ should run what........13.9? sec ??

oh yeah a RX-8 only runs 14teens damn guess me and my bro have to go race him and get some money

how about they race and you stop asking e-racing questions, too many variables to decide on who will win. drivers abilitly, track conditons,cars condition,etc.

or u could always post this in car comparisons or the racing part of the honda/acura forum

Ya know...there have been quite a few people replacing their engines in those RX-8's because of racing them and being hard on them after they get them...maybe because it's a rotary? Maybe it needs time for the seals to be broken in? Tell your friend it would be better for his car were he to wait a couple thousand miles (which is suggested by the way) before running it hard.

The gsr with i/h/e is NOT good for 13's. I'd say mid-high 14's with a good driver. The Civic will lose from a stop because it's fwd, but it'll be a close race from a roll. Just go race and find out.. jesus..

The gsr with i/h/e is NOT good for 13's. I'd say mid-high 14's with a good driver. The Civic will lose from a stop because it's fwd, but it'll be a close race from a roll. Just go race and find out.. jesus..
gsr-civic is capable of high 13's, low 14's with a good driver and good tires.

mazda rx8 shall win.. :(

mazda rx8 shall win.. :(

i highly doubt it the rx8 is not as fast as u think

I honestly think your Civic should not have to much problems with that RX-8, first off I think your brother has a faster car, and second the RX-8 owner just bought his car and may be inexperienced with it.

Hey lets diss Front wheel drive.That makes you sound like an idiot when you say it wont win cause its front wheel drive. The civic will take the RX8 with no problem. Youd be suprised how fast some FWD cars can be

Oh by the way dont be a queer to the guy cause hes asking a question about racing. Thats what this site is about idiot. Seriously no ones asking you to look at this forum and dont post if your just gonna give the starter shit.

Racing 101
RWD cars have a launching advantage because when the car gets floored from a stop, all the weight shifts to the rear on top of the tires getting the power, providing more traction to them. But you seem like a real genious so you probably already knew that.

You have a honda emblem so im assuming you have intercourse with men.
RACING 102
I drive midengine turbo mr2. A rwd car will peel out because there is no weight to hold it down
a front wheel car has alot of pressure because of the engine.and you have alot of pressure cause of the fat men who sit on top of you during your honda meets.

Don't come in here talking shit about Honda owners right after joining the site, it lets your inner moronic self shine brightly. I know I'm right about RWD cars launching better than FWD cars, it's just a known fact. As for weight holding the tires down, that's only good for slow driving in snow, not when your entire car's equilibrium is shifted towards the rear during a hard launch. They can peel out, wow.. My car can peel out too, so what.

Joel8946> Please read this (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/guidelines.html) and cease with the personal insults.

Ok sorry bout the personal insults but your not right. Why do you think FWD car break thier front axle so much. Cause the hard launches put so much pressure on the front axle from the harder take offs. Um I dont peel out, IM the mighty mid engine driver. We dont peel out, we take off fast, alot faster than your RWD car.
Sorry I hurt your feeling honda-boy

Joel, you're an insult to the MR2 community.

Launching: The weight shifts to the back of the car, in a FF car that would be off the drive wheels reducing traction. In a RWD car this means it can launch harder because it gets a weight shift traction advantage.

The ideal layout would be MR since the engine is in the back for more weight during said shift. Or AWD...

The ideal layout would be MR since the engine is in the back for more weight during said shift. Or AWD...
or rear-engined :naughty:

I find it hilarious that an MR2 owner is defending front-wheel-drive and a guy with a Honda emblem is defending rear-wheel-drive :D

i just find this whole thread hilarious:lol:
heres a brief paraphrase:

Ricochet: civic will lose from stop, its fwd

Joel8946: youre an idiot, fwd rules
Joel8946: youre queer for having an opinion

Ricochet: no, rwd is better because of shifting weight

Joel8946: you have intercourse with men, fwd is better

Rocichet: that was uncalled for, rwd is still better

Crayzayjay: PLAY NICE!

Joel8946: im sorry. youre still wrong, my car is god, and i still hate you

Lachean: shut up joel, rwd is better





and we're still back where we started, itl have to wait till race day to determine who wins.

just because it is the norm doesn't mean it will always happen. yes it's typical for a RWD vehicle to get the advantage on the launch, but watch this vid of a lightly modded maxima(mid pipe & test pipe) with a 100 shot vs a modded ws6: http://jime.homeip.net/maximase/Kill.wmv the maxima flys way ahead off the launch despite the fact that it's FWD, and then goes on to run a 12.3 1/4 :evillol:

i'd put my money on the civic.

Well yeah a 500hp fwd car with slicks will beat a lot of stock rwd V8's. If that Maxima was rwd though, it would get better launches.

a front wheel drive car will have a slight disadvantage off the line against a rear wheel drive car, and a midengined car will launch slightly better than a front engined rear drive car with same size tires and power.

re-read the first post.
if the gsr motor has IHE, cam gears, AND cams, it's going to win.

regardless of fwd/rwd.
the lower ET wins, no?

not sure where you guys are from on that one...

but this is seriously a pissing contest.

Best launch, in theory, would be an rear-engine, rear-wheel-drive car, right? Or would mid-engine, rear-wheel-drive be better?

im going with rear engine rear wheel, but i could be wrong

Yeah, that would make the most sense. I've actually driven a Carrera once, but it was AWD, not RWD, so I couldn't really tell. And I didn't launch it because I'm not launching a $70,000 car that I don't own. Plus it was automatic :P

ya really ive driven a few carreras, and i agree no way am i pushing something that expensive unless i own it

perks of family in the dealership buisness haha

Perks of my mom being a real estate agent and getting rich clients :P

Ok, not trying to be a dick...
FWD vs. RWD... ok, it's very simple... does anybody have a nice BIG piece of furniture... ok, good, now, first try and pull it across the floor, ok, now try and push it... damn, that was easier.
Simple physics, it is easier to push than ot pull because when you push the object pushes back toward you increasing the contact while pulling and object, it pulls away from you decreasing contact.
Pushing is better hence RWD is better.

true pushing is easier, but i don't think that is a valid argument to say rwd is better. in a car you have rotation of the wheels and torque, and shifting weight as well. we're talking about better lauches, not whether its easier for a car to be fwd vs rwd.

Ok, but you can go ask any physicist though, that is the reason Y RWD gets better launches, you get more traction from the car pushing against you than if it was pulling away from you.

HEY SORRY BOUT THE COMMENTS I MADE ABOUT FWD. THAT WAS NOT ME ON MY NAME WHEN THAT WAS WRITTEN. I HAD A FEW FRIENDS OVER AND I THOUGHT I HAD SIGNED OUT OF MY SCREEN NAME ON THIS SITE. THEY ALL DRIVE FWD CARS AND WANTED TO PISS ME OFF.


BUT I HAVE TO STEP IN HERE. A Mid engine RWD car is 10 times better than a REAR Engine RWD car. The Mid-engine layout makes for a an even weight throughout the car. A rear engine car is usually unstable unless AWD is equiped(like in porsche and lambo) Rear engine is usually used for supercars with engines so huge they take up the whole rear. I flip on kids when they refer to the MR as a rear engine.

HEY SORRY BOUT THE COMMENTS I MADE ABOUT FWD. THAT WAS NOT ME ON MY NAME WHEN THAT WAS WRITTEN. I HAD A FEW FRIENDS OVER AND I THOUGHT I HAD SIGNED OUT OF MY SCREEN NAME ON THIS SITE. THEY ALL DRIVE FWD CARS AND WANTED TO PISS ME OFF.


BUT I HAVE TO STEP IN HERE. A Mid engine RWD car is 10 times better than a REAR Engine RWD car. The Mid-engine layout makes for a an even weight throughout the car. A rear engine car is usually unstable unless AWD is equiped(like in porsche and lambo) Rear engine is usually used for supercars with engines so huge they take up the whole rear. I flip on kids when they refer to the MR as a rear engine.

sure i bet it was your buddies on your name:bs:

OK i dont really care what you think. Your putting a body kit on a 300zx. I dont like Front engine RWD. BUt then again not everyone can have a mid engine car.

HAHA are you illiterate? i said im not worried about a body kit. not until the distant. and if you wanna go off signatures you hae 255 whp give or take a few eh? what mods do you have? im osrry but i even have to throw up the:bs:without even a list of mods

A Mid engine RWD car is 10 times better than a REAR Engine RWD car.
If you read carefully you'll see i was referring to a launch scenario where a rear-engined car has the advantage over a front or mid-engined car.


Since you guys can do nothing but squabble, this thread is closed.