Help!!!!!! Huge Decision!!!!!!

I have a huge decision to make within the next few weeks. I would really appreciate it if you guys could tell me what you would do or give me your opinions. OK, see, I am buyin a 1990 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo. I am getting a really good deal on it since all I have to do is replace the slave cylinder. I am paying $7500 for it. I know they run about a 14.1 stock, but I also know that if I sell it, I can get at least $13,000 for it (It is in great shape and has only 70k miles on it.) I was wondering weather I should sell it and use the money to buy a 240SX, do the SR swap, and use the rest to build it up (upgrade turbo, lightweight flywheel, new valves and springs, etc.), or should I keep it and just use the money I have to do the JWT ECU, Exhaust, and JWT Pop-charger on the ZX. This is a very hard decision for me. Please let me know what you guys think the wisest thing to do would be? Thanks. It's greatly appreciated.

id say 240 for real.....300z is cool but with that much money 240 would be the heezy fo' sheezy!!!!!! wow time to go to bet after saying that im tired as fuk.

it depends on what you want to do. it is giong to be a race car? a daily driver? it is hard to make a decision or give ya help without knowing your intensions.

Honestly, I'd keep it. I used to not be a huge fan of 300's, but ever since seeing WAGZ's car in person and on the dyno, I've been in love with them.

http://www.streetneeds.com/uploads/cars/stable_front5.jpg
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his mods and some older pics are listed at his site www.myttz.com
Here's a video of his 744.7 at 700.2 torque run. It was reached at 20psi on racefuel w/ 60shot going through the TB's and spraying the FMIC.video here (http://www.wtlw.net/misc/wagz744.wmv)

keep the 300 http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon14.gif

Well, this is going to be a daily driver, but also a weekend racer for sure. Besides, I always drive fast.

Have you driven both cars? Make sure you at least try out the 240, even if it's only with a KA. The way the 2 cars handle and move are very different.

Depends on what you like, almost got a ZX but opted for the 240 cuz I knew I was going to be doing most of the work myself and the ZX engine bay was too compact. They have a stiffer chasis which also makes them heavier. Me in you position, sell the ZX buy a 240 and do a VG30TT swap, but I am not you.
There is a reason why there arent many ZX in drift series or on the race track, they are hard to work on cuz of space, that is why even japan tuners opt to even get the Z33.

the 300 and 240 feel like two totally different cars and share almost no driving similarities (from my expirances atleast...but then again, im a big drift nut)

find a 240 you can drive and compare it to your 300zx is my advice. it seems to me that your a drag/ straight line dirver. if thats the case, the 300zx is a nice car. it would make the better daily driven dragster of the two.

my dad has 300 and i have a 240.....to me the 300 is way to damn big and isnt as swift on corners. i like teh 240 because its small and u can see alot better when driving it. As far as stock power uhhh duh 300 pwns 240 but thats all preference. Since my dad has gotten a 300 i have grown to hate them and i honestly think they suck, i will never own one. check out the new superstreet issue they just gave alot of specs on what u need to do to make the 300zx an all out fast car though. Its up to you and what u have the money for.

300 nice car, hard to work on...
240 NICE car, easy to work on...
300 expensive to upgread
240 (SR/KA) cheaper to upgread


BTW 240 is longer then the Z?? but 240 is more nimbe.

if u crave speed the 240 will diliver , 300 W/ur budjet might not be as fast as a 240. ur call dough!!! good luck let us know wazap!

Well, I know that with a ZX, it is easy to get up to 400 hp, but after that it geta a lot harder and there is a lot more money involved. The 240 on the other hand can be modified and modified and keep going. You don't need as much horsepower as the ZX to keep up with it because it is much lighter. If I had the 240 running 300hp and the 300ZX running 400hp, who would win? I am pretty sure the 240 would, and it is also not very hard to get the 240 up to 300hp.

hell ye buy it sell it and get a s14 and drop a s14 engine in it it will do 14 stock as well ;) trust me my buddies dose and he has a stock 96 sr20det in his 95 s14 haha and it looks cooler too

with money you can do anything....i still don't see what the purpose is for? Drag racing? drifting? auto x?...there isn't a point of having high hp if you don't use it....so what exactly are you planning to race it in or is it just going to be a show car? Personally if it is going to be a daily driver, i would try to keep it legal as much as possible to avoid all this fix it tickets bs...but hey it is your money...

Damn you guys in cali have it so hard, we don't ever get fix it tickets except for window tinting. Actually when we used to hang out cops would come to see what we had done to our cars, but some juvenile idiots started doing doughnuts and peeling off and we were banned from that parking lot for good. And we don't even have a visual inspection. Hell my friends civic passed emissions with a breather cuz they didn't even bother about it, though we aren't supposed to have them.

damm if i was you id keep the 300z man are they hard to come by especially a tt 300z.. they arent that hard to get into the 400whp range just some simple mods.. you can see easy 13's hi 12's with spend 4-5k in mods..
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SHO411, CA is very strick with cars , my local PD are even worth.....thxs to all of the ricers and wana be drifters.... with that said, when the PD bust a parking lot full of cars , usually they tow come of them....

some of them.... (sorry!)

you know there is an edit button? anyways yea cops give fix it tickets for mods that are illegal such as exhaust being too big or car being too low or intakes with no carb exempt sticker, etc....I think he should get the 300 and sell it make a profit and look for other cars with higher potential like a supra or rx-7....

Well, I thought about it today, and I figured that if I can get $13,000 out of the ZX, then why not use some to do a RB26DETT swap in the 240? I mean, those run 280hp, and if you think about it, by the time I brought the SR up to 280hp, I will have probably spent over the $4300 that it costs for the RB engine. It would also be insanely rare and would definatley haul some serious ass.

Damn I love GA. what are the laws on engine swaps like????
Unless you are dragging your lowrider on the ground we have the same laws, but GA cops would rather give you a speeding ticket for going 3 miles above the speed limit when they feel like it., Funny how the average speed on ATL freeways was 80mph and this is coming from the news, yet in the local roads you get tickets for going 5-10mph over. By the way, if you attend NOPI, don't come to ATL with an out of state tag, they wil pull your ass over, I have seen it far too many times. They will pull over an out of state tag before a local one, guess they figure they have the reamining 11months and three weeks to get us.
Gsr, I was playing with my sho block today trying to see how I was going to fit it into my 240, and as much as I love RBs' and JZE I sixes, they take too much space, after placing the V6 at the place it will be sitting, I am left with almost a whole foot of space to try and figure out what goodies I can add. I have seen a 240 with an RB 25, and I can only imagine the RB26, I vote for the VG30 or any other V block, hell a small block is much shorter than a I-6. V-series baby.................

Then again, maybe it would be better to do the SR swap so that I can brag about only having half as many cylinders, and still ripping up camaros and mustangs. I definantly want bragging rights.

Sorry, all they need is NOS and they are gone again. Trust me I smoked so many guys with turbo eclipses and civis with my T-ram than I can remember. Even some guy tried me with a Cobra, and still smoked him. I lost wo only two cars, a 2001 Cobra, I give him that cuz mine was a 97, and a TT Supra owned by a little guy named Fred. I could atleast say mine had 96K on it, this supra smoked us so bad he left us with a distance of almost 18 car lengths. It was so embarassing that I started looking for a platform to build my project car, this was 9mths ago, and now I own an S14 HAHA.
Them little 4 bangers are over rated (sorry guys), when it comes to runing with the big dogs, they don't stand a chance. I am not talking of your local teen with a brand new GT and all he has is that loud Borla exhaust, I'm talking of the guys who did the same shit you did, big block swaps, cams and shit. Get a Six.

Let's not get into this v8's vs. 4 cyl. bullshit. They are not overrated either. They are underestimated. If I do the SR swap and upgrade turbo and do what I want, you give me a god damn stang or Z28, but make sure you have an extra set of doors, because i AM GOING TO BLOW THEM OFF. The only thing the 4 extra cylinders do is weigh you down, so you might as well cut them off. lol. Anyway, please keep giving me your opinions on what I should do. I greatly appreciate it and don't mean to argue. I do not want this to turn into an argument thread "V8's vs. 4 cyl." like all of the rest of them. Please try to keep this thread on topic. Thanks.

SHO411, you're one cornlovin, peach pickin, peanut growin georgia boy :)

what I wanna know are the mods you did to the 300zx. 13000 for a used car is pretty high. i dun know, if i spent a lot on a car, i wouldn't wanna sell it cuz i'd be too attached to it. but...from your last coupla posts, it seems like you're really set to get the 240. i say find a 240 and buy it.

he was going to buy the 300z and sell it to make a profit...like spend 8g or something and sell it for 13g....but he is confused on keeping the car after he buys it or selling it for profit and getting an 240sx.

i know im getting back to the original topic but if u said u will get 13 when u sell the 300 if u buy and just keep the z ur gonna have to start from scratch to do all thos mods deffinately go with the 240 u can find a decent one for around 4 grand than u have all the rest of that 9 grand for serious performance man

I'd get the 300zx, they are aggressive lookin as hell and I love em. and they are fast as hell stock already, you can work with it a lil bit more to make it faster if you like. 240sx's are nimble and great at cornering, but I still love the Zs a lot more. And 240s with an RB26DETT would be sick, I'd take that over a Z, but it would cost a hell of a lot and have a good time trying to find a mechanic that has the skills to put one in a 240sx.

Correction saikao, I'm a corn loving, Peach licking, not picking, we do not pick peaches in GA, we crack them open into two and lick the lucious juices. And yes I'm a peanut growing, DSGB, my farm produces in all seasons.
By the way, sorry for my earlier comment not to diss, I was just trying to make a point, shouldn't have said that.
He said he was trying to smoke V8 cars with 1/2 the cylinders, what I was saying is that after tons of cash, most of the V8 cars he will defeat will be the stock ones, those with the loud exhaust and no other mods. But when he turns out at the strip and runs with the other V8s that are modified, and trust me all they need is nos, and you are back in the rear view again. I was trying to get him to understand, if you want to stay on top of the game, the best to get is a six. There aren't too many (didn't say none) 4 cyl cars puting more than 450HP to wheels and still pass emissions. If you want some speed and power and smoke the ocasional stock V8, modify the SR, but if you want to crash anything on the road, be it a higly modified 8 or a stock 10, get a 6 cyl. With a stock T-ram I was out of reach to turbocharged integras, and mine was bone stock, they kept up, but never beat me. I was smoked so badly by the Supra that I sold my firebird six months later, even though the limits of the Ram were never ending , try 1200Hp T-ram street legal, to defeat him you gonna need atleast 800hp to the wheels of a 240, how many street legal 4 cyl can do that, none that I've heard of. You will kill them on handling or pray they run out of gas, but on the straights they will come pass you like you were stopping for gas. (Look on the bright side, he pays twice as much for insurance and the resale value of his and yours will be the same even if he paid 5-10Gs more than you when new).
It is all up to what kind of competition you want to attack, with mine, I am hoping to be able to race and defeat from stock to modified V8 plus out handle them all at the same time. I saw a TT Rx7 eat up the whole millenium mustang club of GA some 3 yrs back. The guys talked so much shit, the Rx7 got on the freeway and we never saw him again till the end mark, but he was no match to a Saleen supercharged monster that killed some fool who ran him with his ZO6, but if the ZO6 would also be modified then goodnight to the stang. See what I am saying, if you are like me, I see it as trying to get into a position where the upgrades and possibilities are high. I can modify an SR all the way to lets say 550hp to the wheels and remain legal, but that is usually the end of the road (except for the 608hp WRX). money is usually the biggest gap setter but for the 2G for the T, 500 for Nos, 600 catback, and 1G miscelanious, he can go spend 600 on catback, 200 on cold air, and 500 on NOS, and you will never catch him. A V8 and 4cyl are in too far away classes, but a six is closer. There are 720Hp ZX even in GA, imagine that in a 240, you will be eating up Vipers and Ferraris for lunch. the weight ratio will leave you racing F50s and Lambos. Anyway enough babling, get what suits you and are comfi paying for.

Man, you said all that and all I have to say is this: V8s are way way heavier, just like the 300ZX, so in reality, If I have a 550hp 240, I will tear the guts out of an 800hp ZX. Yes, power to weight ratio. That is why the 4 cyl. can beat many 8 cyl. now a days. Also because it takes more mental capacity to tune your air/fuel just right than it does to throw in a cam.

Imagine you with your 550hp hell, I give you 650hp in your 240, you gona be the king, till you run into the 1200hp T-ram?????????????? and don't forget, the Ram was legal, you will not.
power to weight, a 550hp 240, 2700lbs = 1hp to 4.9lbs, a 900hp Bird at 3500lbs = 1h to 3.8 lbs, he still has a better power to weight than you. But point blank our cars reflect who we are, customize it to your taste not by standers, they ain't paying for shit anywayz, agree GSR????

If I have a 550hp 240, I will tear the guts out of an 800hp ZX

Uh if that is how your math works then maybe you should leave the A/F ratios to others...

I say keep the Z and bump it out to about 400 rwhp. You guys are talking like anthing under 600 is slow. Remember that you still have to actually build this car. And if you are going to drive it every day...well that is really not a good idea. You want to drive fast, get into cart racing or something. A six speed 15 horse shifter cart do 100+ in the straights. That and those 1.2L turboed carts are just about as close a us mere mortals will get to F1 cars. Buy the 300ZX if you want a fast car for the weekends and get a nice 240 for a stock daily driver.

I wouldn't rip on V-8s too hard either. Doesn't take much to turn a stock mustang or what have you into a pretty freakin quick ride. A stock 4 banger on the on other hand...well we are talkin about swapping and a bunch of mods, just to get it up to the point where it will beat stock V-8s.

I agree with Broke. And I forgot to say this, the weight diff between a ZX and 240 is 400lbs, there is no way a 550hp 240 will smoke an 800hp ZX. better power to weight, and the powerband will be alot broader than a 240 SR or KA
By the way brok, have you installed the aquamist yet????? wanted to know how much it costs adn how helpful it was.

Dude, 400lbs.!? You must be kidding me. The ZX weighs in at almost 4500lbs! The 240 weighs in at about 2600lbs, and if you thimk that is 400 lbs, you need to retake math. Anyway, this is exactly what happens at every forum I have ever read. One person thinks they know it all, and the the subject of the forum changes into a stupid argment. If you want to argue, then go post your own god damn forum. I am done arguing.

300z is hard to work on!!! try changing the Turbos!
BTW WTF is worg with 800 hp??? R U serious?????
i would love a 800 Whp 300z ... i don't even know how fast is that??? And a 550 240sx??!!! thats is nuts!!! if i have that hp i would be hunting down porshes and feraris!!!!!! not another 800 hp 300z.

Dude, 400lbs.!? You must be kidding me. The ZX weighs in at almost 4500lbs! The 240 weighs in at about 2600lbs, and if you thimk that is 400 lbs, you need to retake math. Anyway, this is exactly what happens at every forum I have ever read. One person thinks they know it all, and the the subject of the forum changes into a stupid argment. If you want to argue, then go post your own god damn forum. I am done arguing.


HEY MORON the 300 z 2+2 weighs 3400 and coupe weighs 3200 how the fuck did u get 4500 not even a cadi weighs that much therefore u should leave him alone and go redo YOUR math :nono:

Yeah. Im sorry. I meant to write 3500 lbs. not 4500, my fault. anyway, that is still a hell of a lot heavier.

umm not really 400 pounds isnt really gonna matter when its lackin 350 horses

Gsr not to talk or try and sound smart as you say, since the day my bird got smoked by the Supra, I spent a lot of time looking for the lightest and cheapest rear wheel drive. 2700lbs, indi multi rear etc And that is how I came to own my 240.

my VIN plate on my d/s door panel says it ways 3467 lbs... i dont see how that is 3200, unless you are talking about the dohc, but that would actually be heavier with the bigger block and all. btw, SHO is that a pic of your engine you plan on swapping or just the tubing?? i cant tell... gsr, go with what you want, if you want to own at the strip, then go with the rb, if you want to kill at the track, go with the sr. or, you can rebuild and turbo your ka, and still own at the track AND strip. if you buy a decent s13 for 2-3 grand, that leaves you 10-11 thou to modify your new pride and joy. that is a lot of freakin money, i make a measily $75 a week average, do you know how long that would take me to save up 11 grand?? a long friggin time. dont get the z, it may be a power house, but the handling is shit compared to the 240. it may be a hot car to look at, and pretty fast stock, but it will take a lot more money to mod a z to your desired hp than it will to mod a 240 to your desired hp. think, 6 cylander means more expensive parts, insurance will be higher, regular maintence will be costly, shops dont work on z's much, i have seen three z's in my whole life, and at least 5 or 6 240's. if you want a z, go ahead, youd be the guy who stands out, but if you want a track hungary nimble freak, get a 240. btw, a 4 banger vs v8 is a totally unfair race, v8's are power monsters, while 4 bangers are economy midgets.

do u have a 2+2 or convertible then cuz the coupe is 3200 here
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2347
but i totally agree thats wut i said earlier it makes 10 times more sense to but the 240 and have all that cash left over then to keep the z and have to start over

2700lbs

Sorry to say this but that would have to be with an empty tank and no driver. Figure more like 2900.

$75 a week average,

Lemonade stand right?

s13 for 2-3 grand, that leaves you 10-11

Uh the problem is that you don't have 15k on hand, you can get financed for a Z and have some left over from the down payment for an ECU and boost controller or you can spend all your money on a clean 240 and have enough for maybe an intake.

it may be a hot car to look at

Why yes it is, no body kit needed here.

And pretty fast stock

Very

but it will take a lot more money to mod a z to your desired hp

If a boost controller, intake and exhaust, and throw in an ECU (all off the shelf items) are alot of money to get another 100 hp out of a Z then I would really like to know what you consider a bargin. To quote Clark Steppler of Jim Wolf Technology, "[the VG] is a 400 horse motor tuned down to 300".

but the handling is shit compared to the 240

We will come back to this statement after you get completely annihilated by the stiff chassis, low/wide set, 245/45 Z rated rubber wearing Z. If you want to spend 3-4k to upgrade the 240s chassis and suspension then maybe you can keep up. After driving the two the 240 feels very narrow and tall. Even lowered, coil-over equipped 240s feel like this compared to the Z.

The 300Z is a much more expensive car all the way around because you are getting much much more. It is really a budget supercar. If you got to have a fast car (Kart racing is alot of fun you know), and it sounds like you got limited funds, then the 240 will be much cheaper. The Z does have alot more potential and will need less upgrades to run big power but it is more expensive in all things concerned.

BTY, I don't have an aquamist in my car as I can put that in after the engine is in and that is priority 1. Well...after I hang those Sport 530 ball bearing turbos, 555cc injectors, extrudahoned intake, and port/polished heads on it...

Thats freaking funny Zdude $75 a week, I stopped making that 5yrs ago, well now I make......... I am jobless do the math.
Thats the top of the engine, the intake manifold has dual runners per cyl, it was made by Yamaha for ford. The 3467lbs on your door is the weight WHILE the car is fully loaded, max carrying capacity. Taurus 4900lbs, with 5 passengers, full trunk and tunk. somehwhere between those parmeters, also they consider each passenger as around 200lbs, most of you guys probably weigh around 160lbs, I weigh 230lbs so out goes any passengers (and seat) or the ocasional 125lbs barby doll. no excess bagage egh......
And the problem with the Z that makes it expensive is the labour, the engine bay is too compact even I, would not work on it.
Got to disagree with you Broke, the curb weight of the S14 is 27000lbs, I am the ZX, getting 400hp (boost mag right? got it) is easy, but going the extra mile has it's consiquences, the Z is very compact. Not just throwing out statements but the only car more compact than the Z that is an import is the VR4, I worked on them and they are nightmares, and that is a transverse engine. The Z is too compact for a lateral engine, e.g to change the dist from a LT1 you have to remove the fucking water pump, the crank pulley, and the alternator (ain't that some shit, I sold the freaking car), a Z, well, I would rather reincorce a 240, I am too broke to pay for the labour.

Originally posted by SHO411
curb weight of the S14 is 27000lbs

HOLY ****!!!!!!! :D

And like I said...every 240 I've ever known usually weighs around 2800-2900 with full tank and driver. Never weighed a S14 but them things must be tanks :D

Keep the Z32 and swap in an SR20DET and mod the shit out of the motor...

Surely you can't mean take the VG out of the Z32 and replace it with a SR.


That would be a huge step back no matter how it was done.

Dont tell me you think the SR20DET and the VG30DETT way the same do you?
He would make the car alot lighter and still get to run his precious SR20

Okay...so he loses maybe 150-200 lbs...and loses about 100-150 horsepower or more...has to do alot of custom fab to fit a smaller engine into the car...again, that would be a huge step back no matter how it was done...and I don't think of the SR and VG as anywhere near the same...the VG is in a whole other category above the SR.

That is the dumbest thing I've heard, take a VG out and replace w/ an SR. See when topsecret replaced the 2JZE with that 4cyl it was cuz the cars were not daily drivers so the block was still putting out like 700hp which you can get with a 2JZ but the 4cyl had a better weight setting and at 200mph it is balance you need more than power. Never will an SR be in the same class as a VG.
And by the way, the VG weighs just a little more than an SR it is aluminum isn't it??? 120-200lbs more, thats not bad, just leave your chunky girl at home when you are going to the strip, simple as that.

I think I was the one who caused the misconception that the VG was a alum block, its Iron, and I apologize, you start thinking about alum heads and intake pelnums...anyway...the SR is alum so it is probably 150-250 lbs lighter...or about there...I really don't know but I'll see if I can find out...but its not nearly enough that it makes up for the VGs much higher intial and long term potential. As it has been said:

Never will an SR be in the same class as a VG.

But...
200mph it is balance you need more than power

Well you need an ass load of power to get there and really you can go crazy with a 2 liter but really the bigger the engine the better. That really just proves that Top Secret has alot of time and money on their hands...I wish I did too...

so...broke, yeah, ya owned me on that one.

anyway, i heard the 300 handled like a boat, and figured since a 240 has near perfect weight ratio, and a pretty good susp. setup from the factory, that it would handle better than a z. i have never drivin a z, i could have, but the guy said i couldnt cuz i had a wet suit on, which i can completely understand. the thing had near 500 hp when he did the final tune up on the engine. twin turbo etc etc. he even had spare cash to throw a 4000 watt system in there, two aluminum 1000 watt 12's in the back powered by 3 amps, then 2 600 watt 3-ways up front, plus about 4 or 5 more speakers spread around the car. i didnt even get to sit in the car cuz of my suit, damn, wish i didnt go swimming. in the end, he put over 20 grand into that car, plus the 30 grand he paid for it new back in 95. then my uncle has his z, which is honestly the best looking stock 85 z i have ever seen. mint, and i mean MINT condition. everytime something didnt work right, or a noise was heard that was out of place, it was fixed immediately. he cleaned the car 2 times a week, inside and out, and he spent nearly a 6 hours each time he cleaned it. now he porters cars for a dealership and spends a whole day cleaning one car.

Actually, that is the biggest misconception of most ppl, ppl think they need like 6-800hp to reach 200mph, you don't, you could actually get there with 250-300hp, the reason cars like skylines and supras need 7-800hp is cuz of their aerodynamics, they need the power to push them. On the flats I read of cars running at 230mpg but they looked like flat pieces of metal sheets, powered by small power. lambos and zondas need the big power not cuz they want to reach 200 but to reach 200 as fast as possible, if you had 10miles of flat land you really dont need all that power but to get to 200 in less than3/4 of a mile is a test of power.

In any type of rational situation, (you find 4-5 miles of clear highway and run up to 200 and back down) you will probably need around 450-500 rwhp (going off a Z car addled mind here). To get a Z up to 200 you will have to rev to about 8K though as it has a 5 spd in place of the R34s or Supras 6spd. And let us not forget that getting up there and staying up there long enough to get to 200 is very hard on your car. As in we don't want to blow anything at 190 going on 200.

And...Skylines and Supras and Zs and all other high performance cars are pretty aero dynamic. I know the Skyline looks like a box but looks are decieving when it comes to air flow (as shown in the fact that most modern sport bikes have around the same drag co-efficent as semis, due to the utterly open back of the otherwise highly aerodynamic front).

Anyway...

broke, yeah, ya owned me on that one.

Didn't mean to sound like a dick, sorry if I came off like that.

300 handled like a boat

Come on..:D you think Nissan is going to let the great and famous Z car family turn into an overweight leather recliner? :D:D HEHE! NOT FKING LIKELY! They are a hell of alot of fun to drive (I highly recommend it) and very quick on their feet :D

240 has near perfect weight ratio, and a pretty good susp. setup from the factory
I'm sorry to say that the 240 is a little ass heavy, just enough to influence high speed cornering negatively but it does handly extremely well for a stock ride. Absolutely no arguing that.

And one more thing
I read of cars running at 230mpg
Buy the patents and sell them to people in California right now, you make billions :D

no, you didnt sound like an ass, i just was missinformed, and you totally informed me, plus some, so you owned me by knowing a hell of a lot more than i do about z's...the 240 may be ass heavy, but get some good wide sticky tires on there and your good to go. i actually just rotated my tires yesterday so the good sticky ones are on the back, for some reason they were up front, but yeah, it handles so much better now. and before it squeled when i took certain corners too fast, now it doesnt. the ass doesnt even seem to want to hang out. i love it...

What type of 240 do you have? I noticed that after I put the strut braces in my fastback and stiffened up the ass end alot, the rear tires got worn out quicker, the extra grip had to come from somewhere :D

EDIT: I just read you sig...*feels stupid*

Anyway...if you dont' have the rear brace, get one, it does wonders for handling and looks badass. Plus since really all it needs to be is a metal rod you can really dive for the cheap seats and get a 15 dollar strut brace off ebay. I did and it works as well as the 100 dollar one from any major brand name. (Nismo: $115 for the front only, not even shipped or Autobacs off ebay: Front and back shipped up from CA to Washington: $66)