12 second cars

so are you saying if you had 250,000 at your disposal and spending it wouldnt affect your living conditions etc. that youd still buy a honda?
:screwy:
i personally know that if i had it id say fuck a honda.

hmm $250k... uh, can I have one ford GT, a '67 fastback with a cammer, and.. hmm.. I still have 40k left... an audi TT. OR a Honda? Yeah fuck the GT, cammer, and TT.. I want a fuckin civic man.

id go for a nice luxary car like a jaguar, a fast sport bike, and then ya id still buy a honda, cuz to me its not only having a fast car, but making a fast car

I'd buy an S2000, an R1, and some kind of SUV for practical purposes. That is, if I had to spend the money on vehicles. If not, I'd buy a house.

speaking of ferraris i was driving around and this 360 spider passed by that had to be one of the sexxxiest sounds ever.

id get that 2004 nsx i saw at the dealership for 80k....then spend the rest of the money turning it into an enzo killer! TT nsx anyone?

id go for a nice luxary car like a jaguar, a fast sport bike, and then ya id still buy a honda, cuz to me its not only having a fast car, but making a fast car

If you had the money, why on earth would you start with a honda?

If you had the money, why on earth would you start with a honda?
read my post above yours

Because like i said its not about being fast, if i wanted that ya start with like a nsx or sumtin, but for me making fast is more fun, and what better to do that in than a honda

even though i skimmed through it all, man that was still a lot of reading..

so are you saying if you had 250,000 at your disposal and spending it wouldnt affect your living conditions etc. that youd still buy a honda?
:screwy:
i personally know that if i had it id say fuck a honda.



if i had 250k, yes i would still get a honda. the hsc, the successor of the nsx (about 100k), and a cbr 600rr ( about 8k), and still have plenty of money left. oh, the hsc is a lo 13 to hi 12 sec car.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/80346hsc.jpg
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When is the HSC supposed to hit the market?

When is the HSC supposed to hit the market?

2005.

oh one more thing, the annual maintenance for those super cars can cost up to $5000 a year, just the floor mats alone is about a grand, that just a waste of good money.

thousand buck floormatS?!?!?!?!? hell id be the only lambo owner in the world with apc floormats!

if i ever saw you putting APC floormats in a lomorghini, i swear to god i'd remove your eyes with a chicken bone.

if i ever saw you putting APC floormats in a lomorghini, i swear to god i'd remove your eyes with a chicken bone.

i'll get the other eye, people using apc products is just plain rice.

the HSC is nice but its still a honda.
you can polish a turd but in the end its still a turd. but whatever you all like is up to you, just throwing in my 2 pennies.

ok after reading this extremely long post i have a few things to add. first of all in case you people did not know, you could even come close to an enzo with 250k. the sticker on these cars is well over 400k and right now they sell for over 1.5 million. so keep on dreaming with your little 250k stories. second if any of you had this kind of money, you wouldnt be thinking about hondas. you can say that all you want right now but if the time ever came that it did happen 99% of you wouldnt consider any honda other than an nsx or maybe an s2000. also in regards to why people buy these cars, most buy them in appreciation of what they are. for instance lets take the enzo. did any of you know that to even be on the waiting list to buy one before their release, one must have owned the f40 AND the f50? this means most people who own that car are in fact able to appreciate the craftsmanship and overall performance put into such a car. the fact that your honda may be faster in the quarter is irrelevant. after 140mph or the first turn youre done.

i completely agree with the panty wetting factor as well. dont hate on the fact that girls are attracted to these cars. every girl, no matter what they may say, has a little gold digger in them. if anything, id think of it as a plus to have a car that attracted the upper crust of women. then you can pick and choose which to keep and which to "hit and run" if you know what im sayin.

as far as maintenance goes with these cars, it depends on how much they are driven. the reapir costs can rise well over 5k in a year. an oil change on an enzo runs about 800 dollars and is done much more often then in normal cars. and god forbid anyone messes with the body or you get into an accident. those body panels are almost impossible to replace considering ferrari would not make extra body panels without a substantial amount of orders to justify the cost.

well i hope i cleared some things up and stirred some new thoughts. what you guys think?

I agree, the whole top speed thing occured to me the other day but didn't bother to post. I'm sure a large chunk of the $$ is going towards the name, but these are low production, hand built machines. If you want the best, you pay for the best. The big companies like ford, mopar, chevy, etc can get away with lower prices on their supercars(GT $150k, but good luck finding one for that price, viper, corvette z06..) since they already have the production facilities to produce the cars at substantially lower cost, and also lower quality. I'm sure the person putting together whatever part of a ferrari isn't your average mechanic. You have to pay that person's salary when you buy the car, and since only a few hundred/thousand are produced a year, the price will reflect that. One ferrari(not an enzo, a modena) will probably pay two assembly personel's salary, if that. These aren't assembly line manufactured cars, they don't have one guy just installing gas tanks or something.. and if they mess up, its their ass.. They're paid not to mess up, and with ferrari's quality standards, I'm sure it'd be pretty easy to mess up, and no one but the best would cut the mustard. On top of that, you have to pay the team of engineers who designed the car(again, nothing but the best.. starting salary for a mechanical engineer right out of college is around $50k in the US... Imagine what a ferrari engineer gets paid...). PLUS they work on each car for years before it is finished.. so take a team of 15 engineers each getting $500k a year, multiply that by 4 years of design, thats $30mil. Then you have to have people who are both incredible designers when it comes to looks as well as incredible engineers to incorporate the drag, downforce, etc characteristics into their designs. As much as you'd like to think, you'd never be able to turn a civic or any honda(except MAYBE the NSX, but still.. good luck) into anything close to a ferrari or lamborghini. I haven't even touched on the interior designers..
Ford/Chevy/Mopar/Honda can afford to buy all the specialized machinery to build thier supercars, hell they probably already have it! They have fleets of production cars that they make thier billions off of, so cuttin the prices on their figurehead cars(the GT, NSX, z06, viper aren't built to make money, they're pretty much marketing schemes to generate interest in the company and build brand loyalty) won't put a dent in thier wallets. Companies like ferrari and lambo that only make supercars have to make money off of them.
Sure you can get more power, but the ferrari will still destroy your car in handling, top speed, reliability, looks, and their engines would probably still perform better, definately in the cubic inch to power ratio. They might not make as much peak HP, but you could build an engine that has 75 peak HP more than theirs and their engine would most likely make more average HP... They engineer things you wouldn't come close to understanding into their motors. The fact is, their cars are engineered from the ground up by the best of the best to be the ultimate driving machines, and it shows. They do a phenomenal job and if you think you can out engineer a team of ferrari engineers, you've got some serious illusions of grandeur...

the HSC is nice but its still a honda.
you can polish a turd but in the end its still a turd. but whatever you all like is up to you, just throwing in my 2 pennies.

an hsc a polish turd? ok now ur opinions is crap. i just hope someday japanese automotive companies would remove that gentleman's agreement which keeps there sport cars under 300hp out the window, that way guys like u would feel like idiots.


anyways tell me one street car that has better handling and beating the nsx on a course track that's around the same price? or 200k even. as far as the enzo, that's just plainly out of the league due to it's +650k price. if u didn't know, honda had been dominating the f1 races for quite sometime now. there had been a test several years ago of all the top cars such as the dodge viper, chevy zo6, ferrari's, porshe's and many more on a course track, guess who got 1st place?


im not trying to be rude; however, calling an nsx and or hsc a polish turd is preposterous

HAHA polish turd.. Not Polish as in "being from Poland" but polish as in "polish your dubs".
Read on my post about figurehead cars...

i guess this strikes me odd for obvious reasons. am i missing something, or do people really pay like 200K for cars that only as fast as people's hondas?
People will pay $$$$$ for quality and style and all that jazz(Rolls,bentley) If it was only about speed, rich guys would tool around in top fuel dragsters. When it comes to street cruising does it matter if your quarter mile happens in less than 12 seconds?

two words: stat us


how many of us believe that someone is running a twelve second honda when we bump into them on the street? if your drivin a lambo, no one questions that your car is fast

It matters to the guys runnin sub-11 second 1/4s! Imagine the bragging rights when you whoop the sh*t out of a ferrari or lambo.. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm ever going to pull up to a stoplight next to one of those cars...

two words: stat us


this is actually the main word. i have friend who has a supercharged nsx which he tweaked and tuned. the car use to be in hot import nights, well anyways, i recently talk to him a while back and at that time he was about to sell it. i was kinda sad he would do such a thing especially to some that quick, his reason for getting rid of it was that he was getting bored of it :screwy: , and that he reached its max capabilities. he now was excited about another car that is actually slower and cost more :screwy: . don't know if he bought it yet but he was telling me all about the lamborghini gallardo and all the f1 gadgets that was put into it, such as the paddle-shift tranmission. but yes overall, its about status.

an hsc a polish turd? ok now ur opinions is crap. i just hope someday japanese automotive companies would remove that gentleman's agreement which keeps there sport cars under 300hp out the window, that way guys like u would feel like idiots.


anyways tell me one street car that has better handling and beating the nsx on a course track that's around the same price? or 200k even. as far as the enzo, that's just plainly out of the league due to it's +650k price. if u didn't know, honda had been dominating the f1 races for quite sometime now. there had been a test several years ago of all the top cars such as the dodge viper, chevy zo6, ferrari's, porshe's and many more on a course track, guess who got 1st place?


im not trying to be rude; however, calling an nsx and or hsc a polish turd is preposterous

thing is for some people 250k+ isnt out of their leauge and because its in their leauge why not show it? whats the point of working hard and earning lots of money if you have some nice things to show for it. again my arguement for this post is purely status. im sure if you can affrod to pay the price of a ferrari that you probably have enough money to maintain it.
and i dont see how you can call my opinion crap, please give me some insight as to why you think so. is it because i called the hsc a POLISHED turd? or what?

Mrcas- what's the point of working hard if you can't buy flashy things like ferraris??? people who have attitudes like that are the kind of people who will never make lots of money, and even if they do they'll waste it all on overpriced stuff like ferraris. i know plenty of people who can afford ferraris, many who could own multiple ferraris actually (come to think of it they used to in their late 20's, when they had a stupid mindset like you obviously do), but would never be able to justify wasting that kind of money on a car. i'm not saying it's stupid for anyone to get a ferrari, i'm just saying if you're worth, say a mil, mil and a half, you shouldn't be purchasing a ferrari. if you're exceedingly wealthy, as in you are a multi, multi millionaire, then go for it, by all means. most people who are affluent do not need to buy flashy things, which oddly enough is part of the reason why they're wealthy. learning things like this is kind of weird, because you expect that people who have millions would just be buying crazy shit. it's kind of like when you see someone in great shape, and you say why do they bother working out? it's because to get and stay in great shape they can't just be impulsive and eat, the same way most millionaires don't buy a car that is twice as expensive as another car that is very competitive w/ it (lower end ferrari v. an nsx, for example).

thing is for some people 250k+ isnt out of their leauge and because its in their leauge why not show it? whats the point of working hard and earning lots of money if you have some nice things to show for it. again my arguement for this post is purely status. im sure if you can affrod to pay the price of a ferrari that you probably have enough money to maintain it.
and i dont see how you can call my opinion crap, please give me some insight as to why you think so. is it because i called the hsc a POLISHED turd? or what?



yes! now read this,
http://www.suntimes.com/output/auto/car-news-clas29.html
special thanks to yellow nsx for the article.


this will tell u why ur opinion on calling the nsx/hsc a polished turd was crap. calling an nsx a polished turd is like calling a gallardo a sophisticated tractor. if u didn't know, that was what lamborghini first started making, tractors. don't believe me? do some research.

Mrcas- what's the point of working hard if you can't buy flashy things like ferraris??? people who have attitudes like that are the kind of people who will never make lots of money, and even if they do they'll waste it all on overpriced stuff like ferraris. i know plenty of people who can afford ferraris, many who could own multiple ferraris actually (come to think of it they used to in their late 20's, when they had a stupid mindset like you obviously do), but would never be able to justify wasting that kind of money on a car. i'm not saying it's stupid for anyone to get a ferrari, i'm just saying if you're worth, say a mil, mil and a half, you shouldn't be purchasing a ferrari. if you're exceedingly wealthy, as in you are a multi, multi millionaire, then go for it, by all means. most people who are affluent do not need to buy flashy things, which oddly enough is part of the reason why they're wealthy. learning things like this is kind of weird, because you expect that people who have millions would just be buying crazy shit. it's kind of like when you see someone in great shape, and you say why do they bother working out? it's because to get and stay in great shape they can't just be impulsive and eat, the same way most millionaires don't buy a car that is twice as expensive as another car that is very competitive w/ it (lower end ferrari v. an nsx, for example).

if you read my reply you can note that i said buy SOME nice things if its within your leauge. obviously if you cant afford one then you shouldnt buy one. whats the point of a ferrari if you cant eat? if you can eat and have one, then get one. thats what ive been saying. and how do i have a stupid mindset for saying if its within your leauge and you want it then get it? the problem is when its out of your leauge and you buy one. if you spend within your means then your good to go.

calling an nsx a polished turd is like calling a gallardo a sophisticated tractor.

Haha, clever analogy.

mrcas- you do not understand what i am trying to explain to you. just because you can afford a ferrari, ie you have 250K disposable dollars, doesn't mean that it is something that is in your price range. unless you feel it necessary to devote an absurdly unproportional amount of your budget to your car anyways. what i'm trying to say is i personally could afford an s2000, and i'd still have food. but i wouldn't be able to spend cash on any of my other hobbies. it wouldn't be practical (even though that car is SIC), even though i could, it's a stupid choice.

mrcas- you do not understand what i am trying to explain to you. just because you can afford a ferrari, ie you have 250K disposable dollars, doesn't mean that it is something that is in your price range. unless you feel it necessary to devote an absurdly unproportional amount of your budget to your car anyways. what i'm trying to say is i personally could afford an s2000, and i'd still have food. but i wouldn't be able to spend cash on any of my other hobbies. it wouldn't be practical (even though that car is SIC), even though i could, it's a stupid choice.
i understand exactly what you are trying to say. and you seemed to have gotten my point as well. you stated it right to me about the s2000. you can afford it but you cant afford to do everything else you like because you dont have that much. what ive been saying is if you can afford and it doesnt dent your budget, and you can continue living the way you were before the purchase then do it if you want.
ex. Jay-z(or any multi-multi millionare) buys a ferrari, he doesnt feel it in his bank account.
ex. I buy a ferrari, im paying back the loan till im 90.
my point spend within your means.

i don't think it was. but he's right people have crazy attitudes in here, and try to start like they're at a club or something - THESE ARE FORUMS!! arguing here is the gayest thing on the internet. that aside, i don't even think we argued on this thread, however. and is it wrong to like fast/furious? i own both, and even though they exaggerate the hell out of everything i still like them. in fact most movies exaggerate in a similar fashion anyways. edman, out of curiuosity, what are you running? your sig intrigues me

i don't think it was. but he's right people have crazy attitudes in here, and try to start like they're at a club or something - THESE ARE FORUMS!! arguing here is the gayest thing on the internet. that aside, i don't even think we argued on this thread, however. and is it wrong to like fast/furious? i own both, and even though they exaggerate the hell out of everything i still like them. in fact most movies exaggerate in a similar fashion anyways. edman, out of curiuosity, what are you running? your sig intrigues me


im running a 1990 vw corrado g60 with many many mods. the main one being a lysholm twin screw supercharger. but i am selling it now in case anyone here is interested. i will either be going with a first gen scirocco (if any of you are open-minded enough to know what that is) or an fc rx7

Edman,
I looked into corrado's and some of the older VW's, but eventually decided that parts are too expensive and hard to find. Do you have this problem?

Edman,
I looked into corrado's and some of the older VW's, but eventually decided that parts are too expensive and hard to find. Do you have this problem?


some parts are harder to find then others. especially if you look for german stuff. most honda owners want JDM stuff and its getting easier and easier to come by. but there are very few importers of german parts and whatever you do find is very expensive