14b, 16g and a question or two

Hey Guys,

I was selling my eclipse and the guy backed out on me. So I decided to keep it and do some mods on it. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I have found a 14b turbo for $85 and it's in good condition. Also I know I need an install kit for it and it can be had for about $200. So this is an option for me. or I have been thinking about getting a 16g turbo, Is the 16g a direct bolt-on with no kit neccesary? My goal is to go about 330-350hp and that's as far as I would feel comforatble with a fwd. I know the 16g can support that hp range, can the 14b do it as well? I know I need to upgrade the fuel pump, injectors, and some kind of fuel managment and a boost controller for this and get a larger intercooler. How easy is a turbo change to a guy who largest car mod was brakes? And what is the spool range on these turbos? And I have already done intake and exhaust so that's already out of the way. Thanks in advance for the answers.

Cheers
Ben

P.S Also going to do wheels, Is Excel a good brand? I don't need the best, just something that looks better than stock

No, the mitsu turbos like 14b, 16g, 20g all need the install kit or some form of it (custom one, cheaper). 350whp is hard to get to out of a 16g, 300whp or 350 hp at the flywheel might be easier. By the time you are able to get a 14b to perform that well, you would already have a race motor, so no. Only fully prepped 14b's run that quickly.

Which turbo do you need fuel mods for? 14b you might say 190lph pump and 550cc injectors with a S-AFC. 16g might be better with 660's and possibly a 255lph. Not having done a turbo swap before I can't say how difficult it is exactly, but in all reality it can't be that difficult. You unbolt it from the manifold and o2 housing, disconnect the lines and pull it out. Replace with the lines according to which turbo you have (meaning install kit or whatever, feel free to search DSMtuners for '16g install kit' for alternatives). Spool isn't that bad, a 14b might see 3000rpm and the 16g a slight bit higher. You have a new BOV and boost gauge correct?

On wheels check out this thread. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=198855&highlight=lightest

you have done the support mods first right?

Cool, Thanks for the reply Joe. And I have done the supporting mods to do this. What I am thinking is for my electronics to go a full apexi setup. Get a apexi trubo timer, safc and a avcr for the tuning aspect of it. I have a 1g bov, boost gauge, air/fuel, and fuel pressure installed already. I was also thinking of just getting the walbro 255lph pump becuase it's only $5 more than the 190lph so why not? As for injectors my thought was 660's. And then I'll get a larger intercooler. I am not dead set on 330-350hp that's just a number I am shooting at. If I only hit 290hp at the wheels I would be very happy. It's alot more than what I am getting right now. Kinda sounds like a 16g is what would suite me best. I plan on doing all the electronics and fuel/turbo mods all at the same time. Not far behind these mods I'll be doing the brakes, the way I figure if I am going fast I need to slow down fast as well.

Cheers
Ben

Make sure you're ready for a turbo upgrade first by doin all the other mods. Boost guage, boost controller, piping, exhaust. stuff like that.

I would suggest the evoIII 16g. quick spooling and high HP possibilities. Just my opinion once you're ready for a turbo.

ok, you beat me to it. nevermind then haha

i think a lot of people are looking at the evoIII 16g, affordable and high possibilities...what i want to do

Evo 16g!!!!!!

20g!!!!! :naughty:

Fwd!!!

You are free to buy whatever, but I would suggest saving money on the AVC-R and going with a manual boost controller. They are as cheap as $50 bucks or cheaper (like mine) and do the same job.

Some people have problems with a 255lph walbro on a stock fuel pressure regulator. I just talked to someone today that said they didn't need it for their new motor. Again, you can read and decide from a search on dsmtuners.

The EVOIII 16g is very close in price to a big 16g, and is a bit better. Quite a few people on this board have the EVO. You could hope for 350whp with that and a FMIC with tuning. :)

hmmm....I guess if I don't go over 350whp that 190lph would do good. The less I have to replace the better. I guess the only reason I am thinking the AVC-R is I have always been alot better with a computer than something manual that's infront of me (go figure) The main thing I do with my car is roll on racing from 20mph on up to uh.....fast. And we do stand alone racing (setup a course and see who makes it the fastest with out getting caught :grin:) And we have it in classes so all is fair. So far only been beaten 1 time on our road course. Anyway back onto the subject.....I would like to double check that our internals can take 350hp without a problem? And that I should not have a problem with my trans taking this as well (auto)? I don't drag, it's all roll on racing. And what size FMIC that will support 350hp fits "easy" in our cars without moding the front end of it? Thanks for all your answers so far.

Cheers
Ben

Double check the fact that there's a local guy here that ran 11.8 on stock internals with nitrous, and has switched turbos to a 50 trim pushing 44lbs/min on it too. 85k miles. They say 400whp for 2g internals. His experience has taught me that a fast auto benefits from an oil cooler (4 tranny's) as well. I would usually say SBR 2g FMIC kit, but apparently it doesn't fit all too well. There are lots of front mounts, search a little.

I agree with JoeWagon on the internals part....but at that power level can you say....Clutch!

Hey, Thanks for reply's. Wow....that's all I can say, 400hp on stock internals!!!! amazing..sadly I don't have enough guts to try that. No reason I shouldn't my car has 102k on the clock and runs like a raped ape. So I am sure it could probably take it. You mentioned that an oil cooler would be a good idea, I highly agree with that, But I have a question on that, Don't our cars come with a oil cooler already? or did you mean a trans cooler? Either way it's going to happen, the less transmissions I can go through the better for me. Thanks for all your help so far, you guys are awesome.

Cheers
Ben

I heard the Evo 16g can produce power near to the 20g

yup, sure can, but its like kinda like me peddling next to lance armstrong, i could peddle my ass off to keep up with him, but after a while he would pull away because i would get tired, not only that, but if he peddled as hard as i was to keep up with him, he'd smoke me. same concept

theirs little dogs and their big dogs.

also you MUST get an upgraded torque converter. do a search in here on EVO 16g, i posted a thread on it and it was a nice conversation. the GReddy type-24 is a good easy to install FMIC. i got 1 and you can see the pics of it in the link in my sig below. ya the 4g63 is an amazing engine!! another common statement is 450hp [crank] so we got the internals for massive bolt-on power! also look into the Profec B-spec II boost controller. it's smaller and very easy to program :)

The EVO 16g is almost as powerful as SOME 20g's. The TDO6H 20g will rape it, as in 400whp+. There is almost a 1 second difference between the fastest 16g and 20g. The faster being 10.7.

Anyway, I'm not sure if he meant oil cooler, transmission cooler, or what... let me ask today unless someone else knows? Don't worry, you won't be pushing near 400whp without some extensive work.

Was looking for who said it...think it was 95 GSX

"Properly supported the EVO16g will run over 25 psi. A 14b will do 25 psi. A local club member was flowing 44 lbs/min on his EVO16g, which is nearly 20g territory. I dont have one, but I do not hesitate to endorse the turbo. And for 535-570 shipped, its a fantastic option for many people that dont want to go huge. Add a FMIC and better than average tuning/driving, and you have 11 secnd potential. Which is to be expected, sicne both the small and big 16g have done mid 11s. This turbo should do it with more finesse though, and less abuse."

The best turbo, in my opinion, that you can buy is the Hahn Super 16g. It has staged boost so you have less wheel spin off the line. It's just an amazing turbo. You can upgrade it to a 20g later on. It's about $800 and that includes everything you need. That's a little more than you would spend for an Evo 16g after getting the install kit. The 14b is actually an awesome turbo. I have a friend putting down 280hp with his and he only has exhaust, ic piping, 1g bov and a manual boost controller. If you want to go cheap, go with the 14b. You can run 12's in an AWD on a 14b. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

So, it includes a dual stage boost controller? I'd rather have the bigger EVOIII 16g for $569 and if I needed a dual stage, I'd get that cheap too. Hahn thinks everyone is stupid.

lol

boy no one seems to know where the good prices are around here.. the evo 3 16g is selling for $520 from Slowboy racings EBAY autions. no offence

Nah, I'm pretty sure the Hahn Super 16g is bigger than the Evo. Just because the Evo is bigger than other companies' "super 16g's" doesn't mean it's bigger than Hahn's. The Hahn 16g doesn't come with a dual stage boost controller. The turbo boosts in stages. I bet that turbo would kill an Evo 16g, but, hey, to each his own. It's a good deal for a turbo kit that includes the 2g install kit, a ported 02 housing and I believe a ported manifold but i'm not sure of that.

well hans uses a t3 ball berring wheel. the evo 3 16 uses a tdo5h wheel.

I just haven't read many positive threads about HRC turbos, and most of them are like this: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49580&highlight=super+16g

i like hans website. its informative.