where the hell is heaven?

For the folk that believe in heaven. Do you think that it is an actual physical place? Somewhere beyond us? In, the so called, space. Or beyond space. Think about Einsteins space-time deal here. Because 1 day in heaven is 1000 years on earth. Would that mean heaven is moving supersuper fast?

physical, no.

beyond us, yes. and that is why we can't understand.

your first sentance sums this question up completely. it comes down to what you believe: for those who believe in a heaven, it can be where ever they want it to be. because for those who don't believe, it is nowhere. it's a paradox that can only exist in the realm of subjectivism. therefore, my belief that there is a heaven, and my beliefs on what it is are correct. and so are yours. and so are those of everyone else.

but the space-time (relativity) thing...
it's as you approach the speed of light, you're moving faster than the physical rest of the universe, but relative to that your biological clock keeps going the same speed. so you are moving faster than the rest of the universe, which is why a 20light-year trip might only take you a day or two, but since you are going so fast (that space actually contracts) your speed and movement borders on the speed of time... and thus the rest of the universe sees that you have been gone for 20 years.

this is probably the only feasable way to do time travel (but only to the future). speed of light for as far as the time you want to go forward, you're gone for a little while on your trip, and when you get back... it's years in the future (yet you've only aged as much as the time you were relative to at the speed of light - a few days)

Many, many people believe that there are at least 8 dimensions. some people beleive in up to 11 or 12. I (think) there are theories about these, but that our physical bodies are only capable of living in the 4 we have (4th being time). So if heaven was in another dimension, then technically it could operate outside of time, because time would have no bearing on it. That is probably the best answer I can give, but beyond that its a faith thing, something that our minds cannot comprehend. In terms of a 'physical' place, Its hard to say without knowing the other dimensions. I believe our souls will go to a 'place' (or maybe a time ??) But I figure, I'll figure out when I get there. :p

The Bible also says that there are new colors in heaven, some we have never seen nor imagined before, and that God is the Three in one; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.....three essences, but one person

Don't ask for a logical explanation because there isn't one; it jsut a matter of faith. and while i know a lot of you won't agree with me, I'm not looking for an argument, im simply stating what I believe.

As the saying goes "in Heaven above..." However, I agree completely with what Dan said at the beginning of his post. It's beyond us, which is why we do not understand.

I've never given much thought as to an actual location.

It exists in our minds.

In the clouds, stupid.

Spirit world, a higher dimension. Music for the soul.

In the clouds, stupid.

actually, it probably was thought heaven was in the clouds since nobody of that time had gone above them, and therefore, could only guess what was beyond.

time itself isnt a dimension; space-time is.

I had never thought of "where" it was either. That's a pretty darn good question.
I like the "in the clouds, stupid" :lol:
/me rubs brain...

Maybe it's like the Simpsons episode where Lisa grows the stuff in the dish and it becomes a whole new world with Lisa as their "God". So to them Heaven would be somewhere in Lisa's world.

So to our God, we are nothing but a organism living in a dish in his/her world.
The big bang was just a firecracker thrown in Gods world with no more thought to it than that. But in our world, it takes billions of years for that firecracker to explode.
Our idea of heaven might be something that we made up to relieve ourselves of the fear of dying and the unknown?

What was the movie where they are looking for the Galaxy, Men in Black I think, and it ends up being contained in a glass ball around the cats neck?
When you looked into the ball, there was billions of stars etc, but to the cat and the rest of us its just a marble.
Would the people in the glass ball call us gods if they could see us?
Would they think that "heaven" is somewhere in our world?

Damn you, I'm supposed to be working, not trying to figure out the mysteries of the universe. :lol:

Excellent question man.

The book says "be good and you'll get into heaven", humans have been told this their entire lives and they try to be "sin" free so they can get into "heaven". It's the same as telling a kid he'll get presents from santa if he/she is good all year. Religion is the biggest and most succesful hoax, and since it was made up 2 thousand years ago, it worked because they were so gullible.

EDIt: I'll tell you where heaven is... the Playboy mansion.

the buddhists actually gave a physical location of where they (some sects anyway) believed that their "heaven" was.

anyways, we;re all fucked about getting in anyway...revelations says on 40,000 good christians will be in heaven, and im sure some 40,000 good christians have died so far...

I think it's 144,000.

I did a quick search and found what I attached below on a webpage.
" Will only 144,000 people go to heaven?No. The book of Revelation tells us that a great multitude of people will be saved and go to heaven.
Jehovah's Witnesses teach that only 144,000 people will go to heaven. They teach this based upon a literal interpretation of Revelation 7:4; 14:1, 3.
The book of Revelation was written in symbolic language - i.e., signs (Rev. 12:1, 3; 15:1). To determine whether 144,000 is literal or symbolic, we must compare it with the context of Revelation.
In Revelation chapter 7, we immediately learn that the number 144,000 is not a literal number but a symbolic number. In Revelation 7:9-10, 14, John tells us that there will be a great multitude in heaven, saved by being washed in the blood Jesus. Therefore, the 144,000 is not a literal number of people.
The number, 144,000 denotes God's people, spiritual Israel (i.e., Christians, the church) (Rom. 2:28- 29; Col. 2:11-13; Gal. 3:24-29; Heb. 10:1-25). It is composed of:
12: a religious number symbolizing a religious idea or concept (e.g., 12 patriarchs, 12 tribes, 12 apostles) which represents God's people. 12,000: which combines the symbolism of the number 12 and the number 1,000. 12 denotes God's people. 1,000 denotes completeness, fullness. 12,000 denotes the complete fullness of God's people.In the Revelation, we also see the 144,000 standing with Christ on Mt. Zion (Rev. 14:1). Mt. Zion is the church (Heb. 12:22-29); therefore, the number 144,000 represent all Christians who will live with God in heaven.
God wants everyone to be saved (1 Tim. 2:4; 2 Pet. 3:9) - not just 144,000. Everyone who obeys Jesus will be saved (Heb. 5:9)."

This is pretty much the way I believe and was taught.

What a confusing book.

Revelations is somewhat confusing. It is very interesting though.

ya gotta read carefully. the 144,000 are people only from israel who were givin seals on there foreheads, after that happening it reads.
"after these things i looked, and behold a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations and tribes peoples and tongues standing before the throne" those are the ones to go to heaven and as it reads there were so many it couldn't be numbered :)

i am reading it for the first time, not too familiar with it, and im really just skimming it, looking for the interesting stuff (ill read it in depth when i finish The New Science). thank you for the clarification, however i knew it wasnt a literal number when i posted...merely being phecisious(sp?)

In my stomach.

yeah the bible talks about spirits roaming the earth.

my dads been shot in the back with a rifle, stabbed in his head by a 4 by 4 with a rusty nail in it. a stove blew up in his face and took all the skin off of his face. he head a whole burnt in his head his big toe cut off by a lawnmower, shot at by his own dad, had to even kill someone himself because this guy was trying to kill his sister. everyone goes through things, and he still beleives in god.

why thank you, right back at ya

Is your dad superman?

Ive also wondered if our world itself was in heaven. Like in heaven there is this "blob of space" . which is just space to us and its setting in heaven as we speak. There could also be other creations... other spaces with living beings in them. It doesnt say that there was, neither did it say that there wasnt. Sorry if this is confusing, its hard to put into words...

i understand what you mean, it is very possible that there is other life, he could have made other life on other planets. the bible states many times that we will never understand the work that god does. so sure i believe there are lots of things he's done we don't know about

and to answer your first statement, yes :iceslolan
lucky for me i haven't went through any pain, shot at a few times but thats about it.

Many faiths! Many versions of heaven. To attempt the location as a whole point, would be a futile point, in which there is no answer, but one's own.

just a note, heaven for exists somewhere between 4000rpm and redline in 3rd gear, with the windows down, cruising a lake road on a sunny day.

just a note, heaven for exists somewhere between 4000rpm and redline in 3rd gear, with the windows down, cruising a lake road on a sunny day.

amen brother! :worshippy

Hah, Where the hell is heaven: an oxy moron, hell - heaven are complete opposite. :lol2:

So if we can locate hell then heaven would be in just the opposite place. Hmmmm....

or givien my previous definition of the location for heaven, hell would be some where between idle and 2000 rpm in 1st, stuck in bumber to bumper traffic on an inner city freeway in the southern heat with no AC :D

damn im good

^ :lol:



either that or car stalled on side of road with smoke pouring from hood with trail of engine debris down the highway.....


on a 100 degree day right after your cell phone died with no exits for 5 miles either way

oh, thats hell!!

^ :lol:



either that or car stalled on side of road with smoke pouring from hood with trail of engine debris down the highway.....


on a 100 degree day right after your cell phone died with no exits for 5 miles either way

So hell is a Ford? :evillol:

umm.....yep!

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I believe in heaven.

I believe there is a heaven where God exists (could be the whole of the universe, anywhere but our known world/universe...I don't know) This is the place that Jesus went to when he left this earth in view of the Disciples. Wherever that is, I don't know.

I also believe there is a physical heaven (and for that matter, a physical hell) of which both are one and the same. Jesus tells us that the meek shall inherit the earth and that it will be made new. The new earth. I believe this will be that earth made new and hence we are essentially in/on heaven as we speak, type, chat, live.

Also the Bible tells us the wicked (those that don't put faith in Christ, just a biblical term not necessarily bad people) will be burned and the earth will be cleansed by fire. Thus the earth and the wicked will burn here. An everlasting fire (one that burns until there is nothing left to burn)...not one that burns forever and ever...on and on...day in and day out, millenium after millenium...you get the point.

I hope this helps...it may serve only to confuse and if so, I apologize.
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I believe I know where heaven is....
Heaven is driving a Bugatti EB110GT super car...of course it would only be complete with A Sexy Guy in the passenger seat...full open On the Autobahn....214MPH....

The Bugatti EB110GT
A quad-turbo, 3.5 litre, 60 valve, aluminium and titanium V12 sits to the rear of the driver. This incredible engine delivers around 560bhp and 450 lbs/ft of torque to the road via Bugatti's unique four wheel drive system, with 73% to the rear wheels and 27% to the front.With an 8,200 rpm limit, the V12 works its way up to 3,500 rpm before the first of the four IHI turbo chargers gets up to speed. From then up the rev range the remainder of the turbos kick in one by one. This can propel the 1500 kg car to 60mph in a mere 3.4 seconds. Top speed is 214mph which at the time of it's launch made it the fastest production car in the world.
http://www.pistonheads.com/fastcars/eb110.htm


This my dear is heaven!

physical, no.

beyond us, yes. and that is why we can't understand.

your first sentance sums this question up completely. it comes down to what you believe: for those who believe in a heaven, it can be where ever they want it to be. because for those who don't believe, it is nowhere. it's a paradox that can only exist in the realm of subjectivism. therefore, my belief that there is a heaven, and my beliefs on what it is are correct. and so are yours. and so are those of everyone else.

but the space-time (relativity) thing...
it's as you approach the speed of light, you're moving faster than the physical rest of the universe, but relative to that your biological clock keeps going the same speed. so you are moving faster than the rest of the universe, which is why a 20light-year trip might only take you a day or two, but since you are going so fast (that space actually contracts) your speed and movement borders on the speed of time... and thus the rest of the universe sees that you have been gone for 20 years.

this is probably the only feasable way to do time travel (but only to the future). speed of light for as far as the time you want to go forward, you're gone for a little while on your trip, and when you get back... it's years in the future (yet you've only aged as much as the time you were relative to at the speed of light - a few days)

Believing in alternate dimensions and realities could explain Deja Vu moments.

i use to think that deja vu's were when your eyes see something and your brain doesn't calculate fast enough so you end up sorta seeing it twice

your "God" is an alien race which created us. Jesus was an alien, where do you think he got all his supernatural abilities. Heaven is thier home world or another world they have discovered. The bible is thier way to control us into conforming to the ideas they want us to have. Think about it, its not really that far fetched. If we could bring back dinosaurs like in Jurassic Park just think what a race that has mastered space travel can do......

Is your dad superman?

Ive also wondered if our world itself was in heaven. Like in heaven there is this "blob of space" . which is just space to us and its setting in heaven as we speak. There could also be other creations... other spaces with living beings in them. It doesnt say that there was, neither did it say that there wasnt. Sorry if this is confusing, its hard to put into words...


Sounds a bit like the Tsimtsum theorem.

Ill admit im a christian, but lately ive been wondering. What if everything ive been taught is wrong? What if when we all died we came back as the one thing we hated. Like if you were racist against blacks what if you were reincarnated as a black to get a better perspective. Some of you might know about 2012. Some believe it will end and some believe the myan god of enchantment or whatever will take the world and make it one big "happy" world. All the beliefs of the Middle East, Asia, India, Africa to me are a bunch of hopeless beliefs. For now I know heaven is not physical but is beyond us definately. One story a preacher told us in revival was pretty convincing. He said he was in the hospital praying for someone who was sick knowin they were athiest. The person finally drifted off but the doctors brought him back, when he came back he started screaming "dont let me die I wont go back". He kept drifting off and coming back with the same thing happening. Finally he prayed for Jesus and they said he died with peace. He kept drifting into hell but they brought him back. Finally he went to heaven. I trusted the preacher so I dont doubt his story. Another interesting thing is the meaning of an athiest. Now the me meaning says and I quote from www.dictionary.com : One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being. Ok, so an athiest is a person who doesnt believe in god, but doesnt athiest have to believe in god to say hes not there. They know who he is they are just denying it. Take out god from the meaning of the word and what do you have: a person who denys the existence of what? To be an athiest you have to have god to disbelieve hes there. I saw it on a comercial but cant put it into words like he did so that prob sounds crumy.

If we could bring back dinosaurs like in Jurassic Park just think what a race that has mastered space travel can do......
Uh.. we didn't 'bring back' dinosaurs. That was a movie.

Uh.. we didn't 'bring back' dinosaurs. That was a movie.
we brought back a mammoth

sorry bout going OT but i was just thinking about how most western religons are sound, but the people in them are all lemmings. There not very open minded.

I think most religions are not open minded...that's why they are given a name ...."Religions"...they are closed minded...they are structured formats...they have laws to follow...
Too many laws and you have chaos...so religions brings chaos...
I believe in God...I believe in Jesus...
I do not believe in Religion...
For example...if you do not know it's a sin to eat a slug...would you eat a slimmy slug? I know I wouldn't...but if it was in the bible that it was a sin to eat a slug some people knowing it is a sin would be tempted to do it just because it's a sin...because it goes against God...and would do it not because it tastes good...but because it is a sin and it is taboo!
Jesus said he came to do away with the old "Laws" because the laws made people sin...
I think Heaven will be a place without the "laws"...I think there will be no need for them because the people chosen to go there will not have any desire to go the opposite of their human nature and break the laws...that is to say...to harm themselves or others...I don't think Heaven will be a place that is "filled with streets of Gold and gates of Pearls" because those chosen to go there will not care for such things...Heaven will be a place of peace and tranquility...a place of ultimate rest...no worries or cares...
My heaven is...A Giant Starbucks in the Sky!

some were in amsterdam

lol, well gee, that just means all non-Christians are screwd, and will be going to hell. But wait, you'd have to be a Christian to go to hell as well, since this is how the rule would apply. :rofl: People are so narrow-minded, not sure about just religion being exclusive.

I know exactly where heaven is: between my wife's thighs. MMMmmm.

Known scientific fact that space IS expanding... the question remains... into what?

I know exactly where heaven is: between my wife's thighs. MMMmmm.


We all know that they're expanding too.