Swap this Swap that.....
white97ex
01-17-2002, 09:36 PM
o.k. after contemplating the building of my SOHC i've decided it would be more economical just to swap it out. I am a big numbers kind of guy... i would like to be able to put it on some of the import haters around me. I am intrigued by the cr-vtec. only i dont particularly want to mess with it. I also really like the H22A, only thing understeer thing isn't so cool. I hadn't heard about that until this tech board. How bad is it and can it be fixed. I have a 97 ex coupe by the way. So if you have experience with swaps be it b16 b18 b20 h22a ......lets hear about it. hopefully you can help us unexperienced guys make some informed decisions. I myself am particularly interested in the H22A swap
white97ex
01-17-2002, 09:43 PM
oh yeah, is there any way to retain the power steering? I've heard that you can't have PS or AC. I live in texas and A/C is a nice thing but im sure i might be able to part. what would be the next best to the H22 w/o doing a frankenstein
buh_buh
01-18-2002, 11:51 AM
I think the best way to go if your looking to swap is probably b18c5 (Type-R engine), this way you won't have to give any of that stuff up, but if your really set on getting an H22a, good luck.
Rice-Rocketeer
01-18-2002, 12:06 PM
I'm sure you've read ----> THIS (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?postid=189840&t=5861) <---- before, right?
As for AC, the problem with the AC is that the H22 has the compressor right in the position where the civic condensor is (You know the radiator lookin thing next to the actual radiator). So you'd have to relocate the AC pump to another location in the engine WHILE still having it run off the serpentine belt. This is an extremely hard thing to do.
And power steering has a more serious problem that I can't quite remember at the moment. I believe there is a cross member or part of the chasis that would need to be notched or cut away to fit the power steering pump (Or relocate it somewhere else again) while again having it run off the serpentine belts.
The whole problem is the fact that they need to run off the belts. If they didn't have to be or you can ingeniously create a belt system driven off something else, then you could do it. There are other things that need to be moved around to get it to fit as well, like the fuel filter, but it's just a process of unbolting and relocating.
As for AC, the problem with the AC is that the H22 has the compressor right in the position where the civic condensor is (You know the radiator lookin thing next to the actual radiator). So you'd have to relocate the AC pump to another location in the engine WHILE still having it run off the serpentine belt. This is an extremely hard thing to do.
And power steering has a more serious problem that I can't quite remember at the moment. I believe there is a cross member or part of the chasis that would need to be notched or cut away to fit the power steering pump (Or relocate it somewhere else again) while again having it run off the serpentine belts.
The whole problem is the fact that they need to run off the belts. If they didn't have to be or you can ingeniously create a belt system driven off something else, then you could do it. There are other things that need to be moved around to get it to fit as well, like the fuel filter, but it's just a process of unbolting and relocating.
fritz_269
01-18-2002, 01:43 PM
Riddle me this white97ex: How much money are you willing to spend? :cool:
Rice-Rocketeer - I hadn't read THAT. You are too cool for you own good. :D
Rice-Rocketeer - I hadn't read THAT. You are too cool for you own good. :D
J SPEC SilEighty
01-18-2002, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by buh_buh
I think the best way to go if your looking to swap is probably b18c5 (Type-R engine), this way you won't have to give any of that stuff up, but if your really set on getting an H22a, good luck.
Yeah the B18C5 would be a nice engine to have, but it all depends on how much he's willing to spend. The B18C5 seems a bit pricey to me and I would go with either a B16A2 or B18C1. Those are both good engines that you can get for about half the price of a B18C5. But also think about which route you want to go when getting your engine, like if you want to go N/A or forced induction. If you want an all motor engine, then I think the B18C5 might be a little better.
But like buh_buh said, if you really want the H22a then go for it. I've seen it be done before.
I think the best way to go if your looking to swap is probably b18c5 (Type-R engine), this way you won't have to give any of that stuff up, but if your really set on getting an H22a, good luck.
Yeah the B18C5 would be a nice engine to have, but it all depends on how much he's willing to spend. The B18C5 seems a bit pricey to me and I would go with either a B16A2 or B18C1. Those are both good engines that you can get for about half the price of a B18C5. But also think about which route you want to go when getting your engine, like if you want to go N/A or forced induction. If you want an all motor engine, then I think the B18C5 might be a little better.
But like buh_buh said, if you really want the H22a then go for it. I've seen it be done before.
white97ex
01-18-2002, 09:36 PM
no, i hadn't read that yet....when i tried to load it, it wouldn't open. Money...heheheh......what a funny subject.....this probably isn't anything gonna happen in the near future....I'm just trying to get ideas. I was planning on building an all motor SOHC....but i figured that a swap is the wiser thing to do.
Rice-Rocketeer
01-18-2002, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by fritz_269
Rice-Rocketeer - I hadn't read THAT. You are too cool for you own good. :D
I know....it's takes lots of practice to deal with such coolness without letting it get to your head :cool:
Originally posted by white97ex
no, i hadn't read that yet....when i tried to load it, it wouldn't open.
If you can't open it, just head over to the 92+ Civic forum and goto the performance FAQ under Hybrid.
Rice-Rocketeer - I hadn't read THAT. You are too cool for you own good. :D
I know....it's takes lots of practice to deal with such coolness without letting it get to your head :cool:
Originally posted by white97ex
no, i hadn't read that yet....when i tried to load it, it wouldn't open.
If you can't open it, just head over to the 92+ Civic forum and goto the performance FAQ under Hybrid.
sparq
01-19-2002, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by Rice-Rocketeer
I know....it's takes lots of practice to deal with such coolness without letting it get to your head You cool? Oh man when did the circus come to town :devil:
I know....it's takes lots of practice to deal with such coolness without letting it get to your head You cool? Oh man when did the circus come to town :devil:
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