r34

is it difficult to put the skyline r34 engine into a 300zx twin turbo body...like would i run into any problems?

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im sorry, but TyiPocalypse is retarded!

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^ true dat!

There is no reason to swap to a RB26DETT (you do know that is the engine you refer to, right?) because 1. you are actually losing displacement (3 liter to 2.6) and 2. you aren't gaining much in the way of overall potential. You might gain a little in the way of immediate reliablity (RB has iron block and better bottom end pieces plus a few other higher durablity parts) but if you are going to be getting into crazy (600+) horsepower levels then you will be completely redoing the engine to race spec anyways. The only reason to ever pull the VG out of your Z is to maybe stuff a small block Ford or a LS1 in there or something, because more motor is more motor.

Bottom line: For what it would cost just to get the RB in the car in stock condition, you could probably get huge horsepower (600+rwhp) out of your VG.

Once again... the RB engines are far more superior then the VG engines! The RB26DETT puts out over 300HP stock. You don't know much about SKYLINES and the RB series engines, huh? Displacement is not everything, my friend! The RB26 has waaaaaaaay more potential than the VG30!

If you were really to take a hundred grand and do a mother of all pissing contests RB vs VG then you could probably milk the same amount out of either engine. RBs power lies in its higher compression (9.5 vs 8.5), its higher stock boost levels (I don't remember exact specs on the Skyline but I know that the Zs is 9) and the fact that it will rev to 8 grand with utter comtempt for the 7K redline of a VG (I6s run dead smooooooooooth :D). The point is that if you are getting up to the over the top crazy horsepower levels where a RBs heavier build will come into play then you have already past the the point of anything any normal person could ever do. And if you are getting up to that point, then beefing up a VG to withstand 30 PSI of boost or whatever you are going to subject it to is relatively minor compared to the much higher initial expense of the RB. And there in lies another point.

I have a VG in my garage that cost me 2K (good price but somewhat average for a TT motor). A RB26 cost me atleast 5-6K. With the cash I would save not having to buy a much more expensive RB and not have to custom fab alot of stuff just to get the damn car running, I could build a abso-fucking-lutely crazy VG motor. But this is all a moot point because I prefer to think of things I can actually do, rather then spend my time thinking "Damn, if I had 10,000 to drop on an engine, I could build a wicked RB powered Z". In the end, if you are just talking about the final tally, maxxed out horsepower you could get out of either engine, then its really a free for all of how much money you want to spend.

EDIT: Didn't insert my sig the first for whatever reason.

I agree 100% with the above statement. There are 1000hp skylines in the world but also 1000hp 300zx's..its all in how much money you have. if i could afford to tune the crap out of either engine id just buy the skline r34 and not waste my time on swapping it and ill also get the fun of AWD launch's

The Skylines come out with 327 horsepower and 279 ft-lb of torque. The VG30DETT are no were compared to the RB26DETT. First off any inline six is much more power ful than a V6 engine, wheather or not its heavier.

then again you wouldnt be able to do the swap unless you plan on adding a longer and i mean much longer front end to fit the inline six

Okay so I guess 27 horsepower is a huge difference now...I must have missed that memo...but whatever...

The perception problem here is this: the VG was not designed to be the end all of production performance. The Z is a sport car first, no doubt about that, but also a very nice ride. Them black leather ass holders suit me very well. And it did keep the cost down over a GTR, by like 10-15K or something...I'm not sure about those numbers so don't jump on me.

The GTRs were designed with maximum performance in mind, this is not something you are going to roll into a nice restruant with. I really don't see the same level of style in the GTR as I do the Z. Yeah the GTR looks fast...and really pissed...but the Z is just down right sexy. Like a sophisticated sexy...whereas the GTR is more like Juggs magazine...an Italian model in black silk compared to a 34DD blonde in a string bikini...both are wonderful rides...;)...so it comes down to preference.

Anyway...like I've said before, if you are getting into the insane horsepower and cash levels where a major difference in the two motors, sheer potential wise, will become a problem...well you've already gotten yourself into enough cash that you can do whatever you want so how much horsepower you want out of either engine is really up to how much you want to drop on either one.

And, just for the record, if you can stuff a RB26DETT in a 240sx then you can stuff one in a 300ZX.

Ok I didnt read all of these post's... So smack me if Im reiterating someone else's point.

Anyone who said that you have to add on a longer front end, to swap in an RB... Needs to do some research.

I've seen RB's in Z's, more than once. With the stock uni-body

However, the RB can be just DROPPED in without much fabbing. There is (what I believe) an easier way to go about it...

Ok... So RB26DETT in a Z... Lets think of easiest route here. My stab at this is as follows:

R34 GTR (RB26DETT) front clip: Not cheap. (if we were dealing with R32 clip, I could give you a price no problem... But i've never dealt with R34, so you've got me!)
Z32 Shell: $1,000 (lets say for guesstimation)

Step one (and i've seen this done, and i've helped with this, so dont pull the "Your questioning the integrity of the structure" BS on this one... ok?)

Cut the front end of the Z OFF, 100%.
Make the same cut on the Sky's front end. And weld the two together accordingly. Some reinforcement may have to be done pending on the structures strength.

You now have the RB mounts already in place, the AWD mounts and drive system in place... Saves tons of work and fabrication hours.

You can now swap on the R34 body panels and lights, etc. Kinda signifies whats under the hood. I think it would look cool.

So now, RB26DETT is in place, AWD (front diff at least) is in place. Now weld in the rear K-frame for the R34 GTR rear end (a MUST for this upgrade, in my opinion) and have a custom drive shaft made (i've been quoted at $550).

(And there should be no problem after this.
if you are planning this swap, or any JDM swap, MAKE SURE, you get below year 1996 for your shell, or car... For one reason:
All USDM cars from 1996+ must be equiped with OBDII (On-Board Diagnostics Level II). All USDM cars 1995- are OBDI.)

ALL JDM cars are OBDI... So if you get a 1996 Z shell, and swap in an OBDI powertrain and ECU... Thou are screwed.

(We can thank OBDII standards for Skylines 1996+ not being able to be legalized by RI's... )

So which way would be easier???? Who's got some opinions and or experience on this subject? I think the way I proposed would be the simplest.

-Wes

My 1Viadrft... I was looking at your cardomain.com thing... Nice Zed.

But... The CRAZY 88's... Come on bro, Kill Bill is a good movie, but for a drift team! Haha

STILLEN injectors... Bah... NISMO/Border 1200cc injection system. YEEEAAAA. Haha.

Hit me up at ShadowZedX (AIM) so we can chat sometime.

-Wes

There is no reason to swap to a RB26DETT (you do know that is the engine you refer to, right?) because 1. you are actually losing displacement (3 liter to 2.6)

So?

and 2. you aren't gaining much in the way of overall potential.

MRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP. Wrong.

Once again... the RB engines are far more superior then the VG engines! Displacement is not everything, my friend! The RB26 has waaaaaaaay more potential than the VG30!

BING BING BING BING. What do we have for our lucky contestant.....

There are 1000hp skylines in the world but also 1000hp 300zx's..its all in how much money you have.

Show me 3 1000hp 300s...veeeeeeery very very rare. This month's issue of Turbo Magazine (I think...might be something else but I don't feel like looking to verify) has 2 insane hp skylines on the COVER. You'd have to look through a ton of mags to find a 1000hp 300. The MkIV Supra is in the same boat as the Skyline. Both I6s and both EXTREMELY easy to mod to insane hps. I've seen both with 500+hp on stock internals and not even breaking a sweat.

All this said, don't get me wrong.....I LOVE 300s. They have tons of potential, I think they look better than skylines or supras, and they are a million times more attainable than a Skyline (lots more attainable then a Supra, even), but if I had the opportunity to get my hands on a rb26dett in ANY gen of Skyline (or a 2jz-gte in a MkIV Supra)....I'd do anything in my power.

Ok I didnt read all of these post's... So smack me if Im reiterating someone else's point.

Ditto.

Well... John Penlington's Fairlday ZedX has 1200bhp... Ill find some pics.

Never saw that one.

Anyway...ok...there's one Z...all I have to do is look through a few tuner mags to find a bunch of 1000hp Skylines and Supras. The most power I've seen out of a Z that was still somewhere in the vicenity of the original engine was a black TT that I saw on some website that had over 800 hp. BEAAAAAAAAAUTIFUL car. Wide body kit and all....friggin killer. Stumbled across the guys screen name for AOL...tried talking to him and he was a kind of a dick...how disappointing.

I've spoken with an Australian guy with a 1360bhp R34 Nür... Coolest guy i've ever met.

Ill find those pics of John's car tonight.

I'd LOVE to sit and pick his brain about cars...I'd love even MORE to go for a ride.......just ONE RIDE.......I'd even pay admission.....

Who wouldnt... Just think... Chirping all four tires through each of the six gears... God, that would be something, haha.

-Wes

No joke.....four wheel white smoke.....that'd be insane....I can't even imagine the pull....probably like the damned space shuttle.

AWD drift....! Now that's a feat to behold!

Not really... It's actually easier ot lock into than a RWD drift.

Got some good video of a R34 GTR V-SpecII gunning it around mountain turns. Ill post a link later.

-Wes

Driftin a GT-R isn't that hard. The ATTESSA AWD system on the GT-R doens't engage the front wheels until the rear wheels start to spin. It's all computer controlled. The legendary Porsche 959 used a similar system.

Precisely. It can also be disabled, so the GTR will handle like a RWD car.

-Wes

It IS a RWD car until you get clutch happy and start to spin a tire.

... You've lost me there. Haha

If I see what your saying, your right.

Skyline's are dominantly RWD, such as DSM's (Eclipse GS-X, Eagle Talon TS-I) are dominantly FWD, with an assist system, to complete the AWD configuration.

So yea, I guess your right, haha.

-Wes

It's all good, yo. I feel like saying yo tonight. Don't really know why....HA.

YO... Yoooo... YO... YOA... YYYYoa... Yooooaaaa...

What the fuck is the matter with us???? Hahahaha

-Wes

lol......dunno.....it's just a fun word.....like sponge......sssspuuuuuuunnnnnnjjjjjjj

Or ROAD... RooooooooAAAADDD... ROOOOOOOOOODDD... Theres another funny word... RUDE... ROOOD.... ROOOOOOOOOODO... RooDoo... Hahahaha...

^ whoa! slow down tommy..

I have yet to see a Z over 1000hp and am really interested. Where's the links?

And why do you call them "Zed"?

roooooooowwaaaaaaaaad....that rules......they were making fun of that word in the movie "Tommy Boy" too.

If I couldn't get a Z for whatever reason, I'd probably get a 'Lude.....I like the 5th gens a lot.

Zed is what they call Z in Ausseyland. Just kinda grew on me. I'll post the link here. Let me search for it real fast.

-Wes