3000gt vs. c5(?) vette

So first off, I'll put up the disclaimer...I don't know if this was a c5, because I am not completely knowledgable on vettes. However, it was the new looking ones, kinda like the z06. So I am pretty sure it was. (Edit: It was a c5, I just looked up pics online to make sure)

So here goes: I had just gotten home from college (raced a 944 porsche on the way home but that wasn't as interesting.) So I met up with some friends, and we returned to my place. We are pulling in my driveway, and this vette cruises down my road, going pretty fast for a 25mph residencial zone. So I was like, "Oh hell no, you didn't just do that in front of my house". My passenger smiles and nods, I put it in reverse fly out of my driveway, whip out into the road, and take of after him. I get to the end of my road in time to see him go through a stop sign at 25. I cruised through it at a little slower, pulled up to the next turn. There were trees in the way so I couldn't see traffic, and I was right behind him at the stop, so when he turned, I just whipped out behind him. Now we are on the road right outside my development...where I got pulled over last summer, so I was hesitant to speed past the known speed trap...well apparently he wasn't. He takes off, I cruise by the speed trap at 35ish (it was empty), and then floor it once again trying to catch up. I catch him at a light, we both take a left hand turn. So now there are a few cars in front of us, but we are on a great road for racing. We manuever around the cars cruising at around 45ish, and I get close enough to realize that this isn't a prick guy, but a middle aged woman. So that kinda took me by surprise(no discriminatory message meant, I just wasn't expecting it)...anyways, we get through traffic and both speed up, but we catch another red. We we line up and on green I slipped the clutch at 3000rpm and floored it. Of course like the idiot I am, I got so excited for my first decent race in along time, that I totally blew the shift to 2nd and looked like a dumbass(yes I already hung my head in shame and stood in the corner as punishment). So for the last time, I catch up at the next light and am determined to show her up this time. So I toss my drivetrain cares to the wind and decide to do a 5500rpm launch(vr4 with AWD by the way). So this time on green I launch hard and just kept pulling. Took it to about 120 before letting off and just cruising for 2 miles to the next light. I took her by quite a few car lengths, but I think she gave up sooner than I did. Regardless, it was just good to be home where random races like this happen all the time.

you got mad about this chick flying past your house...

yet you blew a stop sign to catch her, did 120 on what appears to be a 35/45 mph road...

hmm...

nice kill though...

you got mad about this chick flying past your house...

yet you blew a stop sign to catch her, did 120 on what appears to be a 35/45 mph road...

hmm...

Sorry, i had to chuckle at this one. Hell of a nice kill! Taking down Vettes is a hell of an accomplishment. I blew a vette away once while racing, but the vette was parked and i wasn't racing it!

^ I'm odd i know.

Again, nice kill!!

I highly doubt she was racing.. A vette would have anialated you..

lol yes you sure showed that lady who was going quickly down a residentianl by blowing stop signs and doing 120MPH on a non highway road. She will think twice before doing that again! Lol but good kill none the less. But if she continued on the gas and really wanted to push that vette in the long run she would have blown your doors off.

I highly doubt she was racing.. A vette would have anialated you..

not exactly, she was a woman who probably had her t/c on and not using all of her 345hp, she most likely couldn't drive perfect so the better driver wins. and i think he has a b/c that would put him in the 12's so its easily beleivable that he took her. i usually see vettes run 13.3's seen one run 13.0 and one ran a 14.0, i beleive that one was with the t/c on.

nice kill igovert500 your now officially in the vette killer club with me and hotshot, lol.

i believe you too. very nice kill man. nice to hear that chics are willing to race. and skater in ny why would a VR4 be annialated by a vette? Vr4s are capable of that and more. First you say that 3000gts are ugly cars with big eyes and now youre saying a C5 vette is a Way better car. Sorry but i completely disagree with you.

I was under the impression that a c5 vette was pretty evenly matched with my vr4. No I don't have boost controller...yet, but this wasn't a ZO6, just the normal c5, which run mid 13s if I am not mistaken. Yes she would have taken me up top, with RWD's lower drivetrain loss, I am aware of that, but as I said, she let off prior to doing that. If she had continued, I would have still let off, because 120 is the top speed I feel comfortable with on that road. It is a 4 lane road, but has a 45mph speed limit, in the middle lanes without curbs to worry about many people race on the road, and since it is the divider between 2 counties, the cops rarely patrol it because they don't coordinate whose job it is to do so.
I doubt she was an amazing driver, probably just one who had a vette and likes to go fast. I didn't mean to imply it was an amazing race, but I had fun, so I thought I'd post.

As far as racing and blowing the stop sign because she went to fast by my house, I was being sarcastic, my friends and I always race people who fly by or mod their cars...if they attract our attention, we are always out to have some fun is all.
It is a street racing forum, so I figured most people on here enjoy acting the same way. I serious wonder why some people feel the need to criticize. It turns every racing thread into arguments with half disagreing in some manner and the other half defending it. This shouldn't have to be a 3000gt vs. vette thread, it's simply a story. Sorry if I am venting, I just hate to see every thread go downhill, just my .02. Thanks, Geoff

okay..given you have a vr4..nice car, great car..but against a vette you'd have to do some mods in order to beat one..I'm pretty sure that lady wasn't trying to race you.

wrong again, check the times bud, the vr4 runs a 13.5 vette runs 13.3, meaning no mods needed but its a drivers race. yeah the c5 vette has broken into the 12's and the vr4 has ran flats of 13 but all in all if she(and most likely did) have her traction control on she looses 30hp. so lets look at the stats.

vette 345hp with t/c about 315hp rwd
vr4 320hp awd.

its nothing to get bent out of shape about its very very possible for a vr4 or supra or rx-7 to beat a vette because its more less a drivers race. but for the most part with 2 great drivers then the vette is faster but not by much down low which is why its a drivers race.

that's the problem everyone has it embedded in their head that vettes are the "fastest cars on the road".

Good kill, I have yet to race one with my new motor although I did pull up to an 86 that had a custom paint job and what not. He used to rev at me now he doesn't maybe he knows my secret :wink:

nice kill, hey low key my first car was a 88 fiero gt, loved that car, just wanted to let you know your not alone in the world.

You people always wonder why supposebly the Street Racing forums never have any good stories on them, maybe if some people didnt flame and critisize every single race on here people would actually want to post stories.

You people always wonder why supposebly the Street Racing forums never have any good stories on them, maybe if some people didnt flame and critisize every single race on here people would actually want to post stories.

The truth be told!

There are to many people around who are magazine racers.


Nice kill :iceslolan Taking down a vette that is several years newer then your car is not an easy task.

truth be told?
people don't have solid stories to tell...

there's more swiss cheese in here than the grocery store...
i wonder why people flame...

i dont think anyone was flamming him, but 120 MPH in a 45MPH, thats just not safe. Thats the kind of reckless driving that will turn you and someone else into another statistic. I mean im all for street racing at 12AM in the morning on an empty road, but i still wouldnt take my speed above 100 MPH. And it was just funny how he said it, like he doesnt like people going fast down his street, so he did the same thing. . .

Wonder why people flame? :disappoin From the looks of it, the only way to stop it is to have all races end the way the maganize numbers say it should. Forget the driver. Forget the conditions. Don't take anything into account other then what people have seen in news articles.

The last few years have had spurts of flaming because of narrow views and small minds. Its to bad their ranks have swollen :banghead:

yep, i 've seen enough racing to were i know the driver is a serious factor, the biggest factor.

good kill. a VR4 in the street will almost definitly take a C5 vette off the line and if hte driver of hte C5 is not perfect. and if the vette wasn't racing then the vette would quit a bit more then a few cars behind the vr-4 at 120mph. ( unless the c5 feels like cruising at 115mph, which i highly doubt ) and for those whos never raceds a AWD car from a stop, they are monsters off the line. my friend always takes me by around 3 cars off the line in his STi or EVO 8. and this is in the streets where the roads aren't sticky like a tracks and has dust, so the AWD will have even more of a advantage here.

Not to belittle your win, but you beat the driver not the vette! Either way a win is a win. Shows that women shouldn't be behind the wheel's of cars like that!

what kinda comment is that "you beat the driver not the vette" so when i beat my dad i beat him and not his car? or the 300zxtt beat me and not my car? wtf are you talking about

I don't understand why people are thinking that vettes are unbeatable. This race has gotten flamed more than when I posted my encounter about the C5. Just remember that there are several factors in a race like that, it's not just all about horsepower.

I don't understand why people are thinking that vettes are unbeatable. This race has gotten flamed more than when I posted my encounter about the C5. Just remember that there are several factors in a race like that, it's not just all about horsepower.

I agree is it because of the name Corvette=fast! Just remember there is always someone faster than the next.

what kinda comment is that "you beat the driver not the vette" so when i beat my dad i beat him and not his car? or the 300zxtt beat me and not my car? wtf are you talking about
Woaahh! Easy killer! Im just stating that with a good driver he would have most likely lost! That's what kinda comment that was! Slick :loser:

oh, my apology~grammer

wrong again, check the times bud, the vr4 runs a 13.5 vette runs 13.3, meaning no mods needed but its a drivers race. yeah the c5 vette has broken into the 12's and the vr4 has ran flats of 13 but all in all if she(and most likely did) have her traction control on she looses 30hp. so lets look at the stats.

vette 345hp with t/c about 315hp rwd
vr4 320hp awd.

its nothing to get bent out of shape about its very very possible for a vr4 or supra or rx-7 to beat a vette because its more less a drivers race. but for the most part with 2 great drivers then the vette is faster but not by much down low which is why its a drivers race.


where did you get this TC hp loss number from ?

i could be wrong but wasn't the 3000gt all about the number 3
300hp
300tq
3.0 litre

Nice kill i yet still have to beat a vette. I just cant quite get one. How come i never get somebody in a new C5 vette that cant drive. It would make my day :). So you bad vette drivers out thier lol come find me i want to beat you.

no the 2 gen VR4 had 320HP 315tq

what kinda comment is that "you beat the driver not the vette" so when i beat my dad i beat him and not his car? or the 300zxtt beat me and not my car? wtf are you talking about

I get what he is saying because not every one knows how to race a car, drive, but not race. alot of times the underdogg beats the faster car due to lack of knowledge of driving or driver error on the other half their for the underdogg beats the driver and not really much the car cause with the better or equal skilled driver the underdogg will most likely lose

well if thats the case just say to the guy revving next to you "hey on paper i'm faster than you so there is no reason to race" BS, 2 cars that are similar in performance when they race they one, no ifs ands or buts. like i said i've seen vettes run slower times than 13.5 and i'm sure igovert500 with a couple more runs could get 13.4 stock. check r&t they got the vette at 13.4 on the other hand moter trend has it at 13.0. meaning its about the driver and if one driver can't drive perfect but ok then so what he won. don't bring paper numbers into a kill, he won, end of story.

Im not denying it if you lose you lose thats true, just saying their are many factors in racing than just paper specs

i think we all know that i've been a staunch supporter of the importance of the setting/driver in a race...

but my negativity in this thread comes from the blatantly stupid things done...
like running a stop sign to chase someone, or whining about speeders in your neighborhood, and then saying you did 120 to race that person on a street, not a highway?

come on.

and for the mention of women not being allowed behind the wheel of fast cars b/c they can't drive them?
wtf.

go race danica patrick, or maybe vicki from the "top gear" show in england.

for every good male driver, there are just as many stupid ones.
same for women.

being the passenger in his car, he rocked her easily.. the vette is way overated and also overlooked. i am personally a fan on domestic n frown on 98% of imports, but the vr4 rocked the vette, it was just a ls1 no c5....a vette is the same thing as a camaro or TA, dont believe gm's crap bout diff HP...dyno a 02 SS n a 02 vette, gonna get teh same power

Whoa, A) I wasn't whining about anything, it was a joke, as I said before, sarcastically that she flew by my house, I already went through that. My friend and I joke about that, as I said, I raced it because it caught my attention, NOT because she passed my house a bit fast. Also, as you have not seen the road I raced on, who are you to judge the safety of it. I personally feel a hell of alot safer on it, then almost the entire Northeast extension of the PA turnpike. The speed limit there is 65, but the pavement sucks in places, there are turns in places, there are narrow lanes. On this road, I know the road, the pavement is good, it's straight, it has wide lanes, and I feel confident in my ability to drive that fast on that road on the inside lane. B) I did not say women can't drive fast cars, I said it wasn't what I was expecting is all. I intentionally put in the disclaimer in my story in an effort to make sure people didn't take offense to that. In no way do I think men are superior drivers or any BS like that. There are plenty of better drivers than me, both female and male. Who cares, I simply stated my thoughts during the race...because that is what happened, I thought it was a guy.

Sorry if anything I wrote offended you. You have your right to be negative if you so desire, but don't flame me for no reason. You say my story is BS, and then you imply that I am a stupid driver? You weren't there, you have no grounds to judge me. If you feel the need to anyway on the sole basis of my post, then at least read the whole thing. For a forum geared towards enthusiasts, it seems some people like to argue more than share their experiences and advice. I am not trying to start an argument, so please don't feel the need to be defensive, I just don't feel that I said anything to warrant being flamed, especially from someone who seems (judging by your post count) to be a supporter/active member of this forum.

being the passenger in his car, he rocked her easily.. the vette is way overated and also overlooked. i am personally a fan on domestic n frown on 98% of imports, but the vr4 rocked the vette, it was just a ls1 no c5....a vette is the same thing as a camaro or TA, dont believe gm's crap bout diff HP...dyno a 02 SS n a 02 vette, gonna get teh same power
it is very close and depends on the driver. If you take it from a 50 roll say bye bye ss.drag coeficcient is better on vettes.

it was just a ls1, no c5?
you claim to be a domestic fan, but you don't know what engines are in c5s, huh...
so it was a c4 then?
more info?

whoa people, i see ignorance, a camaro and c5 is the same thing. or was it a c4 and not a c5?

http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/1999/7/comparison_test_13_quickest_cars/images/tb_corvette.jpg

because if it was a c5 its not overated.
The blue hardtop you see here is a member of an elite group - the factory-stock 12-second Corvette club. There have been just a few members in the car's 46-year history. This is the first 12-second Corvette we've tested since the introduction of the 1990 ZR-1, a car that cost nearly twice as much as this '99 Hardtop.

This car is amazing. Even with its CD player, its leather seats, its power everything, its active handling stability system - all those things that makes this car a very comfy daily driver - it can still lay down a 12-second run. Very, very impressive. Because it weighs a bit less than the Corvette Coupe or Roadster, Chevy asked us to use a hardtop model for this test. The Hardtop, which has a fixed roof, comes standard with all the Vette's go-fast equipment.

And it all works. Although powered by basically the same LS1 V8 as the Camaro and Firebird, the upscale Vette offers 345 hp to its driver.

Driving the Vette couldn't be easier unless it had an automatic. Its rear 18-in. tires bite like a rabid dog, getting the Vette out past the Christmas tree with plenty of momentum. Then the gear changes, just shy of the Vette's 6000 rpm redline, are a pleasure thanks to the car's strong clutch and friendly shifter. In its fifth generation, the Corvette's still got what it takes.

Test Summary:
Chevrolet Corvette

Base price: $38,197, Price as tested: $40,237
Engine: 5.7-liter/346.07 cu.-in. OHV 16v V8
HP: 345 @ 5600 rpm, Torque: 350 ft.-lb. @ 4400 rpm
Trans: 6M, Drivetrain: front engine/rear drive
Rear axle: 3.42:1 limited-slip
Curb weight: 3174 lb, Weight/HP ratio: 9.2
HP/liter: 60.5, Tires: f: 245/45ZR17, r: 275/40ZR18
Acceleration: 0-30 mph: 1.95 sec. 0-60 mph: 4.74 sec.
1/4 mile: 12.98 sec. @ 108.85 mph

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/1999/7/comparison_test_13_quickest_cars/index13.phtml

another thing, to my buddy igovert500. when you post something in this forum, there are people who don't know alot about cars so you'll get some feedback that might seem negative, if you check the comments it was all noobs who made it seem as if it was impossible. there are also people who are biased towrads other cars. this is why you have people like me in here to educate people who look at the c5 vette as if its a ferrari running low 12s. its all good man

Who races a non Z06 C-5? Most people who get non Z06 Vettes use them as show cars or cruisers. Anyone who plans on racing a vette is gonna get a Z06, for the 6 speed and 405 horsepower. It was a good kill though, but if you come across an enthusiast like a lot of people around here, a Z06/regular C-5 isn't going to be stock. Keep modifying your car though and go kill some Z06's. :biggrin:

why wouldn't someone buy a regular c5 to race? the cars are not slow by any means, im pretty sure (someone here will fix it) that the regular c5 has a higher top speed because of the zo6's different gearing.

if you are going to be doing some large modifications then i would definatly go with the c5 over the zo6 why pay the high price for a slightly better intake and cam profile. the gap between the two cars is huge between 5 and 10k with that kind of money you could easily make the reg. c5 alot faster.

the first thing you would normally do with any car is change the exhaust and thats a big selling point for the zo6 ,titanium exhaust for light weight. i dont know to each his own i guess